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Flame
04-02-2002, 07:49 PM
ÂÂÂÂÂAnti-Israeli anger swept the Arab world and Arab
communities in Western Europe yesterday, with
synagogues torched in France and Belgium and a mob in
Cairo driven away from the Israeli Embassy with water
cannons.
ÂÂÂÂÂIslamic countries at a major meeting in Malaysia,
meanwhile, condemned Israeli military actions but were
split over whether to condemn Palestinian suicide bombers
as terrorists.
ÂÂÂÂÂFrance deployed hundreds of police to guard Jewish
buildings yesterday after a synagogue was burned down
during a spate of anti-Semitic attacks.
ÂÂÂÂÂAn overnight arson attack in the southern city of
Marseille was the third such blaze in a weekend of
incidents that France's most senior Jewish leaders have
compared to Nazi-era atrocities.
ÂÂÂÂÂ"It's the first time in the history of French Judiasm
that a synagogue has been wiped from the map this way,"
said Zvi Ammar, head of the Jewish Consistory in
Marseille.
ÂÂÂÂÂFrench President Jacques Chirac, on a visit to the
northern city of Le Havre, said, "These acts are completely
unimaginable, unpardonable, indescribable and should be
investigated and punished as such."
ÂÂÂÂÂ Israel's siege of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in
the West Bank has stirred anger at Jews among France's
4-million-strong Arab population.
ÂÂÂÂÂUnknown assailants also hurled firebombs at a
synagogue in the Belgian capital of Brussels, causing
damage inside but no injuries.
ÂÂÂÂÂThroughout the Middle East, Arab protests against
Israel escalated, with an Egyptian demonstration the most
violent.
ÂÂÂÂÂAfter a group of artists, intellectuals and opposition
politicians called for a march from Cairo University to the
nearby Israeli Embassy, hundreds of marchers ran toward
the embassy and broke through a line of riot police.
ÂÂÂÂÂPolice responded with tear gas and water cannons
and beat demonstrators with their batons, pushing them
back to a spot near the campus. The protest lasted seven
hours.
ÂÂÂÂÂThirty protesters were arrested, and nine police
officers were struck by stones. Sixteen protesters — most
suffering the effects of tear gas — were hospitalized after
the clashes.
ÂÂÂÂÂIn Jordan, about 300 protesters, mostly women,
staged a candlelight march on the U.S. Embassy in Amman,
where they called on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to
intervene.
ÂÂÂÂÂ"Beloved Saddam, strike at Tel Aviv," the protesters
chanted in front of a line of police before the embassy.
ÂÂÂÂÂLibyan leader Moammar Gadhafi led a march in his
capital, Tripoli, and called on Arab countries to open their
borders to let Arab volunteer fighters in to help the
Palestinians.
ÂÂÂÂÂSome 20,000 Sudanese marched through their
capital, Khartoum, carrying banners declaring: "No peace
with the Zionists."
ÂÂÂÂÂMore than 500 Lebanese and Palestinian
demonstrators demanding that Egypt sever relations with
Israel tried to storm the Egyptian Embassy in Beirut but
were dispersed by dozens of policemen.
ÂÂÂÂÂIn Malaysia, where delegates from Islamic countries
met for a conference, participants were split yesterday
about whether to condemn Palestinian suicide bombers as
terrorists.
ÂÂÂÂÂThe delegates passed a unanimous resolution
accusing Israel of "dragging the region toward an all-out
war" and calling for U.N. sanctions to deter Israeli military
action.
ÂÂÂÂÂFault lines appeared immediately as the Palestinian
representative disagreed with Malaysian Prime Minister
Mahathir Mohamad, the meeting's host, who said that
suicide bombers killing Israeli civilians should be
condemned.
ÂÂÂÂÂMr. Mahathir, a vital U.S. ally in the campaign
against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network, called for
agreement that any attack on civilians — by the September
11 hijackers, Israel's army or Palestinian suicide bombers
— be labeled terrorism.

Anti-Intifada
04-02-2002, 08:17 PM
Attribution????

NewsGuy
04-02-2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Flame
 ÂÂÂÂÂFrench President Jacques Chirac, on a visit to the
northern city of Le Havre, said, "These acts are completely
unimaginable, unpardonable, indescribable and should be
investigated and punished as such."
Chirac is making this hypocritical and ridiculous speech to prevent the US from getting on France's case.

He says "Unimaginable"?

Well, in the past year, there have been something like 330 anti-Semitic incidents in France (basically, one a day)!

France, which was able to colonize and enslave half of the third-world for centuries, now claims that it is "very difficult" to secure the Jewish locations in France that are directly threatened by the French Arabs.

I undertand that there are about a million Jews in France. I hope that they march on the French parliament (or whatever the French call their slimy anti-Semitic government center) and threaten the government with real legal action for failing to provide adequate protection for the Jewish taxpayers.

Preferably, the lawsuit woud go on in France and in the Hague at the same time, to expose the French society for what it is.

Better yet, maybe the French Jews also need to sue for reparations from France, bolstered by the US Jewish community, like what was done in the case of the Swiss in New York.

When NY threatened to close the Swiss banks, all of a sudden the Swiss forked up the Jews' WWII bank accounts. The same type of threat of economic sanctions in the US might work to persuade the French to protect their Jewish community better and to punish their diplomats for making anti-Semitic remarks.

McSceptic
04-03-2002, 02:49 AM
650,000 Jewish people, around 5 million Arab Muslims according to figures I've seen.

It's going to be largely a cultural thing. French Muslims are usually of Arabic origin so they have direct interest. In the UK most Muslims are from the Indian sub-continent, so they aren't much interested in the Israeli/Palestinian thing. In the UK there have been much more anti-Muslim attacks, than anti-Jewish/Israeli attacks.

It's unfortunate that there is the conflation between being Jewish and supporting Israel. My Jewish friends (all two of them) don't support Israel's existence.

Flame
04-03-2002, 05:37 AM
McSceptic... And... none of my non-Jewish friends know I support Israel... we keep private feelings to ourselves in order to avoid the unpleasantness that follows. As a matter of fact a couple of friends has asked one time ... why do people hate Jews so much? --- I started to give my opinion and with each person... they got very flustered and changed the topic fast. Apparetly it ws a statement for show and not out of sincere curisosity,

Thank goodness for message boards!

McSceptic
04-03-2002, 10:24 AM
Yes, I don't think I or they would claim they were representative of all Jewish people's opinions. But it does make the point that Judaism does not equal support for Israel. Some of the most "Jewish" looking Jews (in terms of dress, lifestyle) are the least supportive of Israel, regarding it as a blasphemy.

Anti-semtic acts do go on in Europe, and I'm ashamed that they do. Personally I'd intervene if I saw it happening, but I'd do the same for a Muslim.

muslim4israel2
04-07-2002, 02:38 PM
Your right Sceptic. South Asian muslims dont give a flying **** about Palestine or the ME. We care for our own interests, and that is recognizing Israel, free trade and strengthing ties with it.

Take an example, if Pakistan recognizes Israel:

From Pakistan POV:

1) Breaks down barriets btw nations
2) Increases Pakistani power in political circles
3) Economic ties btw nations can be VERY good.
4) Pakistan is v. influencial in the Muslim world, esp with Lebanon and KSA. It could lead to peace.

Israel POV:

1) No threat of Pakistani nukes getting to Arabs
2) Access to 140m person market for goods. Top 20% of fierce economic consumers.
3) Sends great message around the world.

Besides, EU has many Nazi like parties who burn stuff more then the Arabs do. In France, National Front wins 10% of votes.