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old-reb
10-18-2003, 04:07 AM
This is how the Muslims control opinions.
No where is it mentioned that Muslims are racist and waging an ongoing war to exterminate the Jews. The focus remains on the Jews and their attempts to survive.

The "in" thing to do or say is to control Israel. Control them to prevent their survial.

Muslims are winning the propaganda war because they are good. Now, if they could just kill those pesky Jews in Israel they could concentrate on their conquest of Western Europe (see my post on Islam in France).

old reb



Friday, October 17, 2003


DETROIT_-_Democratic presidential candidate_Joe Lieberman was heckled Friday by several Arab Americans angry with his support for Israel as he spoke about restoring peace and trust in the Middle East.


"What about the wall?" shouted several attending the_Arab American Institute leadership conference as they interrupted Lieberman's speech. The reference was to Israel's plan to build a barrier that juts into the West Bank.

Lieberman, who is Jewish, insisted the wall is temporary.

"I regret the confiscations," said the Connecticut senator, referring to the Palestinian land that has been taken in the effort to build the wall.

Israel insists that the barrier is essential to prevent suicide attacks and its construction would help create an atmosphere conducive to peace talks. The Palestinians call the project a flagrant grab for land before talks on the borders of a Palestinian state.

"It has nothing to do with security. It has to do with stealing from the Palestinians," shouted Greta Berlin during a question-and-answer session after the speech. Berlin had just returned from the West Bank, where she was working with the_International Solidarity Movement , a pro-Palestinian group.

Several of the Democratic hopefuls planned to address the group over a two-day period. Speaking first, Lieberman acknowledged his religious beliefs in trying to reach out to Arab Americans, an important voting constituency in several swing states.

He said they gathered Friday, "Not as Muslims and Christians and Jews, or as people of Arab descent or European descent or African or Asian descent. We are proud to be all those things. But we are more than that. We are Americans. We are children of the same God and of the same father, Abraham. We are brothers and sisters."

Lieberman blamed the lack of progress toward peace between Israelis and Palestinians on the failures of the Bush administration. He received applause for some of his comments, including his calls for tolerance and unity.

Mark Brewer, executive director of the Michigan Democratic Party, gave Lieberman credit for appearing.

"This is really a genuine attempt on his part to engage in a dialogue about very divisive issues," Brewer said.

Another Democratic candidate, Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, said the United States must use its considerable influence with Israel to ask it stop building walls and settlements, a remark that drew applause.

Mil
10-18-2003, 05:40 AM
As if every Arab-American or an American-Muslim is a Palestinian. This stuff makes me laugh.

old-reb
10-18-2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Mil
As if every Arab-American or an American-Muslim is a Palestinian. This stuff makes me laugh.

I have never met a Muslim that wasn't supporting Palestine 100%. They will tell me they support Israels right to exist but they are fighting for Palestine right to exist. They never mention that Palestine has one goal and that is to drive the Jews into the Sea.

old reb

Patriot
10-18-2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Mil
As if every Arab-American or an American-Muslim is a Palestinian.

No, But an Arab-American is an Arab, and an American-Muslim is a Muslim, so...

medkorp
10-29-2003, 07:52 AM
Hi,

i'm a muslim and i live in france !!!

Don't worry, there is a lot of arab/muslim who doesn't care about religion or bin laden !!!

And there is a lot of arabs who doesn't want to drove jews into the sea !!! They only want a land next Israel, a land named Palestine !!!

Medkorp

Originally posted by old-reb
I have never met a Muslim that wasn't supporting Palestine 100%. They will tell me they support Israels right to exist but they are fighting for Palestine right to exist. They never mention that Palestine has one goal and that is to drive the Jews into the Sea.

old reb

Mercury
10-29-2003, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by medkorp

there is a lot of arabs who doesn't want to drove jews into the sea !!! They only want a land next Israel, a land named Palestine !!!


Certainly, there are some. However, if there are so many of them why don't we see muslim demonstrations against killing of israeli civilians? Why there is no palestinian analog of israeli "Peace now" organization?

old-reb
10-29-2003, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by medkorp
Hi,

i'm a muslim and i live in france !!!

Don't worry, there is a lot of arab/muslim who doesn't care about religion or bin laden !!!

And there is a lot of arabs who doesn't want to drove jews into the sea !!! They only want a land next Israel, a land named Palestine !!!

Medkorp

Why don't you say what you mean. You want Israel to go back to 67 borders and allow millions of terrorist to move into Israel so everybody can live in Islamic paridise. The so called refugees could vote in an Islamic government and in effect vote out voting.


old reb

medkorp
10-31-2003, 02:05 AM
Hi,

Yes, for the palestinian state, the 1967 borders will be good.

But when you say it will become an islamic paradise, it's not your problem, palestine as israel has the choice of their destiny !!!

So, for me there is just one solution: a state for the palestinian, near israel. That's all !!!

Medkorp

Originally posted by old-reb
Why don't you say what you mean. You want Israel to go back to 67 borders and allow millions of terrorist to move into Israel so everybody can live in Islamic paridise. The so called refugees could vote in an Islamic government and in effect vote out voting.


old reb

medkorp
10-31-2003, 02:36 AM
Hi,

Excuse me Mercury, but there's some associations like Peace Now, some link for them:

http://www.alternativenews.org/
http://www.arabhra.org/
http://www.phrmg.org/
http://www.passia.org/
http://www.miftah.org/

So you see as the israeli there's a lot of palestinians men and women who try to change the people mind !!!

And why there's no demonstration against the killing in the arabs states ?

That's a good question ! I think there's a lot of reasons, but the first for me is this one:

- Arabs don't know democraty, for them their government are always King or Emperor. And you know that you couldn't go against your king, except if you want big troubles !!!

But, if you remember, some months ago in marocco, a demonstration against the killing of jews has happened in Tanger, an arab demonstration !!!

here's the link, but it's in french, http://www.aloufok.net/article.php3?id_article=76

Thanks

Medkorp
Originally posted by Mercury
Certainly, there are some. However, if there are so many of them why don't we see muslim demonstrations against killing of israeli civilians? Why there is no palestinian analog of israeli "Peace now" organization?

old-reb
10-31-2003, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by medkorp
Hi,

And why there's no demonstration against the killing in the arabs states ?

That's a good question ! I think there's a lot of reasons, but the first for me is this one:

- Arabs don't know democraty, for them their government are always King or Emperor. And you know that you couldn't go against your king, except if you want big troubles !!!


Thanks

Medkorp

Hello Medkorp,

This is something I never could understand. The Palestines are saying they are fight and commit suicide for freedom when the only Palestinian in the area that are free are the ones living in Israel.

These freedom fighters say they have no blackhawks or F-16 so they fight with suicide bombers.

History shows that when the Muslims have the military strength they don't hold back conquering any kafirs. We all know the goal of the palestines----- destruction of Jewish state and conversion or death of Jews.

The battle goes on un-ending through out time until the world submits to Islam.

Their military is now weak so they continue the battle covertly and it is working.



old reb

Mercury
11-01-2003, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by medkorp

Excuse me Mercury, but there's some associations like Peace Now, some link for them:



Thanks for the links, but you seem to have misunderstood me. I meant that the similarity should be in criticizing their own goverment (i.e. PA) policy for extremism, not in joining the attack on the israeli goverment. In all the links you gave I found only the criticism and the call for struggle against Israel.




And why there's no demonstration against the killing in the arabs states ?

That's a good question ! I think there's a lot of reasons, but the first for me is this one:

- Arabs don't know democraty, for them their government are always King or Emperor. And you know that you couldn't go against your king, except if you want big troubles !!!

But, if you remember, some months ago in marocco, a demonstration against the killing of jews has happened in Tanger, an arab demonstration !!!


In some of the arab countries, like Morocco or Jordans, kings are far more openminded towards Israel and jews than the general population. It's very common for palestinians in Jordan to protest against their king peaceful policy towards Israel, but never against Hamas or their likes.

I'm practically sure that the demonstration against terrorism in Morocco (your article doesn't mention killing of jews anywhere) was organized by the goverment. Even so it seems to be the only one of this kind. Did you see muslims in democratic France protesting against killing of jews? There have been plenty calling for it though.