Palestinians= AMALEK?

[Noam]

With every cowardly assasination by the Palestinians--one pattern emerges:

They SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK.
They Attack ONLY the Indefensible.

Perhaps they try others--and fail....but after last night when they so cleverly tracked the Duchifat soldiers (supposed to be an ELITE UNIT!) but shot them IN THE BACK.... the only picture I have in mind is that of AMALEK

The ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE G-D ORDERED US to RID THE EARTH OF.

WHY?

Because they only killed the weak and the fallen. Even G-d does not like that.

I am wondering if the Palestinians are becoming more and more a PROXY of AMALEK. That would mean that we have to ANNIHILATE THEM.

Ominous thought.

[Belgium]

Can I ask you what this "amalek" means?

[Noam]

Originally posted by Belgium
Can I ask you what this "amalek" means?

In this day and age you Really do not have to ask anyone (not even Jeeves) anything any more. Just plug "amalek" to google and youget 52,200 sites.
The first one is:

http://www.ortzion.org/Amalek.html

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Noam
With every cowardly assasination by the Palestinians--one pattern emerges:

They SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK.
They Attack ONLY the Indefensible.

Perhaps they try others--and fail....but after last night when they so cleverly tracked the Duchifat soldiers (supposed to be an ELITE UNIT!) but shot them IN THE BACK.... the only picture I have in mind is that of AMALEK

The ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE G-D ORDERED US to RID THE EARTH OF.

WHY?

Because they only killed the weak and the fallen. Even G-d does not like that.

I am wondering if the Palestinians are becoming more and more a PROXY of AMALEK. That would mean that we have to ANNIHILATE THEM.

Ominous thought.

Belge... We are talking Jewish here... We don't expect nor do we wish you to understand. It's impossible for us to explain, a member of inferior and over simplisitc european decadent, our enourmus and anciant rich culture... it's much to complicated for you to understand. With so many subtilities it would make your head spin and explode...

Politics for Europeans : "four legs good, two leg bad, Meheee"

The Arabs are not Amalek, in my humble opinion. The Germans are !

However, I do consider them to be equal with the Aramics and other Cananic nations we are commanded to clear away, so we can live in peace. The peaple of Jericho, are the best ever anology. Never did the anciant commandments echoed so clearly as in the days we live in today.

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áîãáø ìâ 52

"ëé-éìê îìÃÂëé, ìôðéê, åäáéÃÂê ÃÂì-äÃÂîåøé åäçéúé, åäôøéæé åäëðòðé äçéååé åäéáåñé; åäëçãúéå." ùîåú ëâ 23

" ìàÃÂâøùðå îôðéê, áùðä ÃÂçú: ôï-úäéä äÃÂøõ ùîîä, åøáä òìéê çéú äùãä. ì îòè îòè ÃÂâøùðå, îôðéê, òã ÃÂùø úôøä, åðçìú ÃÂú-äÃÂøõ. ìàåùúé ÃÂú-âáåìê, îéÃÂ-ñåó åòã-éàôìùúéÃÂ, åîîãáø, òã-äðäø: ëé ÃÂúï áéãëÃÂ, ÃÂú éåùáé äÃÂøõ, åâéøùúîå, îôðéê. " ùîåú ëâ 29-31

[victot]

hey, my first post here in ages, i've been letting down and ignoring all my friends here! (sorry, seriously, i've been a bastard)

anyways, i've been told it's not a good thing to compare the palestinians to amalek, because we are commanded to kill ALL amalek, wherever they are... and that's not usually the jewish way! (it's certainly bad from a pr point of view)

but i do see the similarities, PARTICULARLY in '48, when we were coming wounded and diorganized out of the horrors of europe, and they attacked us, promising to kill all of us. well, the arabs did.

AM YISRAEL CHAI!!!!

[Belgium]

Belge... We are talking Jewish here... We don't expect nor do we wish you to understand. It's impossible for us to explain, a member of inferior and over simplisitc european decadent, our enourmus and anciant rich culture... it's much to complicated for you to understand. With so many subtilities it would make your head spin and explode...

What is your problem?
Inferior? This sounds like nazi-talk.
Simplistic? This would mean that everyone that emigrated out of Europe is simple, thus all the Americans, do you really want to say this?
Decadent? First look at yourself, if you want to call us that.
Ah yes, you indeed have a rich culture, but so do we and I think that you don't understand this, you propebly think that everyone who isn't the friend of Israel and the US is stupid... Well, that is your opinion.

And I still think this is a free forum, I have the right to understand what is said. Would you like it, if I began writing in Dutch?

[dunky]

amalek was the tribe that attacked old people
and the israelites were commanded to destroy

it is a horrible comparison
this line of thinking leads one to accepting acts of genocide

i am angered at your coments about europeans

[Gilgamesh]

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[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by dunky
amalek was the tribe that attacked old people
and the israelites were commanded to destroy

it is a horrible comparison
this line of thinking leads one to accepting acts of genocide highly simplsitic defenition, which misses many many points. Although, still valid one.


i am angered at your coments about europeans Right then! Join the debate! Try to disprove our argument! Show me your evidances! Let us have it. Please!

[Belgium]

Thank you, Gilly, for anwering.


These cultures are highly progressive and fast developing cultures. Frankly, your culture, Belge... sucks!!!
What do you know about Belgium's culture? Except that we make chocolate and bonbons?


BTW, Herkul Puaro is a fictional charecter, designed to mock Belge people: "world's smartest detective is a member of a nation of stupids" typical British irony, it makes people laugh.
I do know he is fictional. And BTW, it is Hercule Poirrot, not like the failiure you wrote.


However, in every dictionary I know, under the term "decadence" it written : "European" and your face, Belge, in it. (proof: You're ugly! Fat, twisted, with lots of pus filled boils, waiting to explode all over the room and keyboard).
I try you, take a dictionary, and look for that word, I bet that there something else written than you claim. About the ugly part: I'm happy to know that your insults are very inventive. Please go on, but keep in mind that personal attacks are not allowed in this forum.


Who was the last Belge nobel prize winner, and in what category. Who was before him?
Ilya Prigogine: chemics.
Ilya Prigogine: fysiology.


Name me ONE great Belge writter
Hugo Claus.


ONE great Belge composer...
Arthur Prevost.


Belgum is a fictiouse nation, totally artificial. Composed of the worst people among French and Dutch. Belguim has no history nor future. Unless Belgium had been that antisemetic, only the jokes about your people, remind everybody you exist!
Belgium is not fictious, what were you thinking when you wrote that? Wordt people among French and Dutch. Not really, We are not Dutch and not French. We are Vlamingen and Walen, if you like.


Nope. It's Israel forum, for Israelis, diaspora Jews and their Friends: Americans, Indians, Chinees.
"Remember, this forum is for the benefit of our ENTIRE community, which is comprised of people of all ages and backgrounds" from Rules of the Road. This gives me the right to be here.

I hope this satifies you.
Ik wens je nog veel plezier met het uitschelden van mensen die niet van dezelfde achtergrond als jou zijn. I ask you know to translate this, not any of the Dutch or Belgian members offcourse, but Gilly, who will do this alone without help of his dictionary.

[Mediocrates]

Don't report posts if you're then going to respond to them.

[Belgium]

I'll keep that in mind. Thankyou.

[andak01]

Drop this thread, please. Noam, that was a sentiment you probably should have kept to yourself. There is nothing constructive about proliferating the idea of genocide.

[Noam]

Drop this thread, please. Noam

Why don't you mind your own threads and let me decide which thread interests me?

[Mediocrates]

Amalekites? I don't know about that. Maybe more like Moabites or the sons of Og. It's certainly true in this day and age that the story becomes more and more like that of Pinchas.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Belgium
Thank you, Gilly, for anwering. You are always welcome. To bad my post got deleted by my timid and highly tarumitized Jewish brotherens, still frightful from the Puretz.


What do you know about Belgium's culture? Except that we make chocolate and bonbons? Accroding your response, much more then you, I guess...


I do know he is fictional. Ofcourse you know, I just wrote it!


I try you, take a dictionary, and look for that word, I bet that there something else written than you claim. You're a bit dim I see... too bad...


About the ugly part: I'm happy to know that your insults are very inventive. Please go on, but keep in mind that personal attacks are not allowed in this forum. You're here, and you seem to be alive... it insults me!


Ilya Prigogine: chemics.
Ilya Prigogine: fysiology. Ilya Prigogine , is Jewish. He got only one noble prize in Chemistry, in 1977. Born in Moscow, Russia.

You only fortifies my point!


Hugo Claus. ... Arthur Prevost Never heard about them... I guss their work is of no great imporatance, outside Belgium.

Bottom line, if one clear morning, all Belge people were to disappear, hardly anybody would notice!


Belgium is not fictious, what were you thinking when you wrote that? Wordt people among French and Dutch. Not really, We are not Dutch and not French. We are Vlamingen and Walen, if you like. [quote][b] Obviously, your knowlage of your own history, is quite limitid. Sad... very sad. Belgium exists all right... but it not a real nation state. In that sense, Belgium is fictious.

[quote][b]"Remember, this forum is for the benefit of our ENTIRE community, which is comprised of people of all ages and backgrounds" from Rules of the Road. This gives me the right to be here. And I have the right to bash you whenever it pleases me!

[Belgium]

My own history? Well, tell me then about my history and I will listen.

[Noam]

A trifle more on Amalek

It is a CONCEPT. THere is no such thing as a PARTICULAR AMALEK. Like there is not such thing as thin Oprah.

Not ALL Palestinians behave like Amalek...so when I am talking about the need to ANNHILATE THEM-- I do not mean to vaporize 3 million people.

G-d has ordered the ridding of Amalek from the face of the earth some 3000 years ago. If it had not been done by now--It is not going to happen by 2025 (The date Arabs ournumber us and destroy Israel).

The idea is that if an anemy behaves in a way similar to Amalek--YOU ARE FORBIDDEN FROM BEING MERCIFUL towards him. Look what happened to Saul.

The Beilins and Sarids of the world are the real test.


This is pretty much a cruel joke that G-d is playing with us.

He pitted here a PEOPLE WITHOUT A CONSCIENCE (AMALEK most salient attribute is his LACK OF CONSCIENCE) with the people that are supposedly the "LIGHT UNTO THE NATIONS"...the CONSCIENCE OF THE WORLD.

I am afraid that G-d is testing our mettle here. You cannot fight a group of people without a conscience on a different turf. They laugh at you. We are measring EVERY attack in terms of INNOCENT DEAD and they fake funerals and SEEK TO MURDER ONLY INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Something in that war it TOTALLY GONE AWRY and I bring the concept of AMALEK to point that out.

[andak01]

In fairness, AMELEK was an order directly from G-D. Are you God's regent here on earth? Or are you simply stirring the pot?

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Noam
A trifle more on Amalek

It is a CONCEPT. THere is no such thing as a PARTICULAR AMALEK. Like there is not such thing as thin Oprah.

Not ALL Palestinians behave like Amalek...so when I am talking about the need to ANNHILATE THEM-- I do not mean to vaporize 3 million people.

G-d has ordered the ridding of Amalek from the face of the earth some 3000 years ago. If it had not been done by now--It is not going to happen by 2025 (The date Arabs ournumber us and destroy Israel).

The idea is that if an anemy behaves in a way similar to Amalek--YOU ARE FORBIDDEN FROM BEING MERCIFUL towards him. Look what happened to Saul.

The Beilins and Sarids of the world are the real test.


This is pretty much a cruel joke that G-d is playing with us.

He pitted here a PEOPLE WITHOUT A CONSCIENCE (AMALEK most salient attribute is his LACK OF CONSCIENCE) with the people that are supposedly the "LIGHT UNTO THE NATIONS"...the CONSCIENCE OF THE WORLD.

I am afraid that G-d is testing our mettle here. You cannot fight a group of people without a conscience on a different turf. They laugh at you. We are measring EVERY attack in terms of INNOCENT DEAD and they fake funerals and SEEK TO MURDER ONLY INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Something in that war it TOTALLY GONE AWRY and I bring the concept of AMALEK to point that out.

Amalek, as the embodyment of evil, is, or can be any culture that supports evil, aspecialy designed against Jews. Either way, any culture that is evil, turns up on us, Jews.

Unlike you, I do belive that the Amalek have to be vaipourized. finshing off the Amalek is not only an act of pre-emption, but also an act of justiace. Teaching the world what justace is, that evil can not be tolerated by civilized humanity, and genocide attempt would not be moped under the carpet. G-d, through our just endevours, would prove that Natzi like evil cannot be tolerated.

As the "chosen peaple" who actualy invented the modern (modern in the western world) idea of justace, it is our duty to vaporize the Amalek. Or else, the Amalek would rise again, against us.

Hamman, who was Amalek was hanged togather with his wife and sons. That is only one example of our just war against the Amalek and any incarnation of evil.

The Europeans and Germans in particular, came out of the war unharmed and unscaved. The message, the Torah commands were desigened to prevent, the message is that mass murder of Jews is reasonable, possible and unpunishable. If nations will loose their fear of OUR justace, the holocuast is bound to repeat it self, in one form or other.

Mass murder of Jews by Arabs, who use Europeans tax payer money and European backing and cover, is yet another result of justace undone.

Europe, Germany and the evil spirit of Amalek, is what hunts us now, in the buses, restorants and cafes.

Amalek must be destroyed, or else, it will rise it's evil head once more.

The concept of Amalek, is a bit more complex then the problem we face against the Arabs.

Even the philisitines, and the Aramites where never compared to the Amalek. The Amalek is war loving nation, which went a great length just of commit a genocide. Amalek are genocidals, by defenitiosn. Another charestaristic is that the Amalek came from "far away". This discription do not match with the Arabs.

Arabs are equal with the cananies and the Emorites, and other nations who wrongly occupay our lands. We must banish them for good. But we have no quarrel with them, if they choose to live elsewhere. Majore important difference.

With Arabs we can have peace, but not with Amalek!

The concept of Amalek is the concept of rebalion against basic human ideas. A rebalion against justace, G-d, even our own sense of existance.

[dunky]

i just dont see why you are trashing the european writter on this board.

my grandfather flead poland in the 30's and grew up in belgium before immigrating to canada
i dont think its such a bad place

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by dunky
i just dont see why you are trashing the european writter on this board. The Belge had self admited in hating Israel and the US, he self admited in resistance to Israeli actions of self defence, and America's rightful and humanitary mission in bringing down Saddam Hussain ragime.


my grandfather flead poland in the 30's and grew up in belgium before immigrating to canada
i dont think its such a bad place Belgium is a bad place now. Flooded with Arabs and local collaborators they are encrisingly anti semetic.

I don't see a reason why should I "forgive" or "ignore" anti semetics. Since I cannot fist him in the eye, right now... my options are limitid.

[Communication]

Amalek was one of the descendants of Esau. Perhap's there is still bitterness in the House of Edom over the claim to the birthright? The Muslims claim lineage from Ishmael? Perhaps a rivalry there too? The passage where Jacob struggles with the angel is very rich for interpretation, every generation of the House of Jacob can relate to it and should study it, personalize it, and understand why we are called "Israel." And I don't mean that as a call to genocide either.

[D.Abraham]

If one believes in G-d and His Word, no matter their chosen faith, he/she should accept His Word as it was said in truth and not question, disregard or querrel with it's relevance to them.

Tid Bit:

From a Christian perspective this is profoundly an interesting question raised:

"The Israel of God!
by Tony Warren




Introduction

Israel is a word which is found in scripture over 2500 times and which carries great significance because it is of critical importance to the Church in coming to a sound understanding of God's Covenant Promise. Was His promise of an everlasting inheritance made to a middle eastern nation of geopolitical or genealogical stature, or was that promise made to an Israel which is an elect, diverse and spiritual people? To be sure, there are those who believe that the peace, throne and everlasting Kingdom was promised only to the literal progeny of Jews, and thus can be fulfilled only by an earthly Israel. But is Israel in God's eyes defined by genealogy, or does being an Israelite mean having a personal relationship with the Messiah?(the belief in him and his inevitable coming in time) These are pertinent questions which cannot be lightly esteemed, nor brushed aside with tired platitudes, clichés and colloquialisms like literalism and liberalism.

Indeed we must ask, in light of scripture, is it even possible that such a glorious promise could be fulfilled in such an earthly kingdom? Is the New Covenant Church kingdom a 'Plan B,' or is the Grace of the New Covenant with Israel the means by which God is fulfilling the previous Covenants. There is only one way to arrive at the truth of these questions, and that is not to rely on what our teachers and leaders think or tell us. (-Reliance upon man only) We can only glean the truth by going to the Word of God itself to see what it has to say on the issue. Being God's Word, the scriptures are the ultimate and final authority of the Church. Sound exegesis therein is the proper way to really get to the truth of what was being prophesied in God's promises to Israel, and what God has declared was fulfilled.

With this in mind, let us examine this important issue in detail in the light of the scripture. We begin this study in Romans chapter 9 where the Apostle Paul deals with this very question of 'The Promises made to Israel' and why Israel is still under judgment. "

There is an old Jewish adage that says " when the day of judgement comes the first question asked of you will be "did you anticipate the arrival of the Messiach?" Of course G-d will know the answer of your heart before one utters a word...but then those not knowing of Him may surely lie and possibly be discounted.

[Communication]

don't worry, darin. my guns are ready and I've got plenty of amo. I'm ready for when the Messiach comes!

[D.Abraham]

Originally posted by Communication
don't worry, darin. my guns are ready and I've got plenty of amo. I'm ready for when the Messiach comes!

Comm,
Oh good! Where is the fortified fort? Will there be kosher food there stockpiled? Is there a Yiddish secret password?
I see you're a good American too! Keeping to the Second Amendment well! :D My agnostic friends are ready! They figure when the Messiach comes then they be convinced. :) But in the meantime they bare arms, are heavily stocked with ammunition and stick to hunting the game and birds for now......


( By the way, I do not hunt -against Jewish law you know...but would like to hunt turkey's!)

-Oh, and nice thought on personalizing the House of Jacob's stories1

[Belgium]

The Belge had self admited in hating Israel and the US, he self admited in resistance to Israeli actions of self defence, and America's rightful and humanitary mission in bringing down Saddam Hussain ragime.
Gilly, you don't understand completly. I do not hate Americans and Israel, sometimes I disagree with what they do, but no more. The self-defense, offcourse, it's a good thing of Israel to defend it's people, but some means are just not morally defensable. Bringing down Saddam's regime was a good thing to do, but again it wasn't done right. I am still convinced that Iraq was of no real threat to the United States of America. Still there are no WMD found in Iraq, oh yes, some plans, but nothing touchable. Humanitary, not really, the people of Iraq are living is worse conditions than before. The US-army seems incompetent to make the country safe.


Belgium is a bad place now. Flooded with Arabs and local collaborators they are encrisingly anti semetic.
Belgium isn't really flooded by Arabs.


I don't see a reason why should I "forgive" or "ignore" anti semetics. Since I cannot fist him in the eye, right now... my options are limitid.
I am no anti-Semetic. Are you sure about wanting to fist me in the eye? And why is that? What have I done to deserve that?

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Belgium
I am no anti-Semetic. Are you sure about wanting to fist me in the eye? And why is that? What have I done to deserve that? That's why!!!
The self-defense, offcourse ... but some means are just not morally defensable. Also:
Bringing down Saddam's regime was a good thing to do, but again it wasn't done right. I am still convinced that Iraq was of no real threat to the United States of America. Still there are no WMD found in Iraq, oh yes, some plans, but nothing touchable. I guess then, the massacre in Halabja was done with soap and water?

Saddam got connections with terror organizations. Saddam had WMD. Saddam ragime was (and still is) a threat to the USA and the rest of the free world. The fact you ignore that, prove you to be exactly what I claim! Terror supporter.


Humanitary, not really, the people of Iraq are living is worse conditions than before. ... The US-army seems incompetent to make the country safe. Both fact are true. However, they strongly put in light your RACIST attitude toward Arabs. You constantly refuse to give any responsiblity to Arabs. You constantly judge them to be inferior to white people, there for and employing double standared in matters of personal and national morallity or responsiblity. Double standared got only one defenition: RACISM!!!


Belgium isn't really flooded by Arabs. Yes you are. the Islamist republic of Beligistan is soon to be matrialized. (on the border of the Islamist republic of Francistan). Only a matter of time before Belgioium will join the Arab leage.
And no, Belge, It won't help you to find oil in Belgium. I'll give the process, about a decade more to be fullfilled.

[Belgium]

I stand by my statements.


Saddam got connections with terror organizations. Saddam had WMD. Saddam ragime was (and still is) a threat to the USA and the rest of the free world. The fact you ignore that, prove you to be exactly what I claim! Terror supporter.
Maybe he has these connections, but there isn't proof of that. You claim that Saddam HAD WMD, do you mean that these are gone now? Can you maybe tell what happened to them? That would help the American army alot. He was a threat, but not the threat the American propaganda showed, he has no WMD that can be proven, this was however the main reason the US and his allies took to attack Iraq. I don't support terrorism under any form.


Both fact are true. However, they strongly put in light your RACIST attitude toward Arabs. You constantly refuse to give any responsiblity to Arabs. You constantly judge them to be inferior to white people, there for and employing double standared in matters of personal and national morallity or responsiblity. Double standared got only one defenition: RACISM!!!
I don't think about Arabs as inferior, if you think that it is a misunderstanding. But who says that I am white? And everyone is a racist in a way, even you, Gilly, in your constantly bashing of European ideas and values.

[humus_sapiens]

I believe the title of this thread is true. Also I believe Belgium does not belong in it.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Belgium
I stand by my statements. OF course you are! You are Belge!


Maybe he has these connections, but there isn't proof of that. You claim that Saddam HAD WMD, do you mean that these are gone now? Can you maybe tell what happened to them? That would help the American army alot. I used HAD since the Americans failed to revel these weapons yet. There are rumers the warheads were smuggled to Syria before the war, or even destroyed, while Chemical medium - small arms (like chemical morter shells or artillary pieces) are still hidden among Iraqi terror organizations, waiting for their right time to strike.


He was a threat, but not the threat the American propaganda showed, he has no WMD that can be proven, this was however the main reason the US and his allies took to attack Iraq. I don't support terrorism under any form. [/b][/quote] You're being Belge again.... I mean idiot. Make up your mind. Either Saddam was a theat or wasn't he. Were the threat of killing one million people justifies a war, or the threat to murder three thousand, isn't. Was the threat to kill Americans justifies a war, while killing other Arabs, like the Saudis or Kuwaties who are Amreica's "frineds", doesn't justifies a war?

American propaganda created to explain simple things to simple europeans. Obviously, it didn't taken into account European built in ignorance and racism.... not to mention envy.


I don't think about Arabs as inferior, if you think that it is a misunderstanding. I already proven you are a Racist against Arabs, Jews and Americans. I know most Anti semetics hate to be called one. See Chirak! Lables cannot mask the true nature. Racist you are, what ever defenition you'll use for your "views"!


But who says that I am white? And everyone is a racist in a way, even you, Gilly, in your constantly bashing of European ideas and values. Either you're white ugly European or you parroting one.

I can't believe that another victim of European racist Imperialism (not every Imperialism is racist, only European's) can spout so much evil as a white one.

I am not racist, I merly react to European evil anti semetism. I hate anti semetics, does that makes me a hater. I hate evil, does that makes me a zealot? Stop being Belge with me, will you? Justace has a defenition, I follow it, that why I hate Europeans and other crimminals. I'm not Catholic. I'm Jew, I hate back those who hate me! I seek revange for that who wrong me. I won't turn my other cheak.

Some Europeans did show remorse, repents and they are understanding of Israel right to exist and to self defend. Such countries have evolved, and progressed, while other stay behind.

As for European ideas... let be careful hear will we? Many of these ideas were copied from JEWISH philosophy. I only hate when European twist or pervert these ideas. What I really hate is Euroepans decadence, European racism and European anti semetism.

[Belgium]

I used HAD since the Americans failed to revel these weapons yet. There are rumers the warheads were smuggled to Syria before the war, or even destroyed, while Chemical medium - small arms (like chemical morter shells or artillary pieces) are still hidden among Iraqi terror organizations, waiting for their right time to strike.
Rumours... what are you with rumours? I hope that the US and it's allies will soon find these WMD, this would save them a huge embarrasment.


You're being Belge again.... I mean idiot. Make up your mind. Either Saddam was a theat or wasn't he. Were the threat of killing one million people justifies a war, or the threat to murder three thousand, isn't. Was the threat to kill Americans justifies a war, while killing other Arabs, like the Saudis or Kuwaties who are Amreica's "frineds", doesn't justifies a war?
This would justify a war, but what troubles me is that the US and it's allies used WMD as justification, WMD that are not yet (and maybe never will be) found.


American propaganda created to explain simple things to simple europeans. Obviously, it didn't taken into account European built in ignorance and racism.... not to mention envy.
Propaganda is a good-news show and no-one is pleased with only good news. Propaganda is not telling some vital things to the public. I don't see how they explain simple things.


I already proven you are a Racist against Arabs, Jews and Americans. I know most Anti semetics hate to be called one. See Chirak! Lables cannot mask the true nature. Racist you are, what ever defenition you'll use for your "views"!
Haha, so I am a racist against everyone? It's not logical to hate Arabs AND Jews AND Americans at the same time... This is absurd.


Either you're white ugly European or you parroting one. I can't believe that another victim of European racist Imperialism (not every Imperialism is racist, only European's) can spout so much evil as a white one.
Can't you keep it civilized? Is that to hard to try? Ow yes, your "bashing" me... Well, I am white (just for the information). And say then, what evil do I spout?


I am not racist, I merly react to European evil anti semetism. I hate anti semetics, does that makes me a hater. I hate evil, does that makes me a zealot? Stop being Belge with me, will you? Justace has a defenition, I follow it, that why I hate Europeans and other crimminals. I'm not Catholic. I'm Jew, I hate back those who hate me! I seek revange for that who wrong me. I won't turn my other cheak.
You have every right to react against racism, but I am no anti-Semetic. I didn't do wrong to you, did I?

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Belgium
Rumours... what are you with rumours? I hope that the US and it's allies will soon find these WMD, this would save them a huge embarrasment. These rumers also stand with logic.


This would justify a war, but what troubles me is that the US and it's allies used WMD as justification, WMD that are not yet (and maybe never will be) found. WMD or to be more exact, technology of producing WMD is the threat. I agree is was failed to be explained. The US ensisted in working through the UN, in a way that limits the ability to justify pre-emptiong strike. So legal technolities were used instead. wrong move, but is does change the big picture. Saddam ragime was evil. US and Britain where willing to remove evil once again, this time to the favour of the Arabs. While the Europeans lost a big customer for weapons and WMD technology as well as a vital proxy for WMD holocuast against us Jews.


Propaganda is a good-news show and no-one is pleased with only good news. Propaganda is not telling some vital things to the public. I don't see how they explain simple things. Propagana in a democratic society is also called spinning. It put certain emphsis on certain things and down plays others. European, Soviet and Arab propaganda is based on lies and promotion of ignorance.


Haha, so I am a racist against everyone? It's not logical to hate Arabs AND Jews AND Americans at the same time... This is absurd. When you ride the moral high horse, when you consider your self worthy in preaching morality in matters you know nothing about, when Europeans finance Arab terrorism, host Arab terrorists and sell WMD technology to Arab ragimes... you're being racist.

When you deny Israel right of self defence or you deny Jews their right for a land of their own you're racist against Jews.
When you're "against american" policy of pre-emption and the war on terrorism, you're racist against Americans.
When you use double standareds against Arabs, when you fail to enforce them to become more democratic, when you ignore Arab terrorism against Jews and Americans and fail to hold Arab ragimes responsible for thier support of terrorism and promotion of anti semetism in media and eductaion... You're racist against Arabs.

Arabs mast be equaly responsible for human rights as other people. I hadn't seen ONE european action to promote human rights in Arab countries.


Can't you keep it civilized? Is that to hard to try? Ow yes, your "bashing" me... Well, I am white (just for the information). And say then, what evil do I spout? Read your own previous posts.


You have every right to react against racism, but I am no anti-Semetic. I didn't do wrong to you, did I? Yo fail to support Jews right of self defense, our right to fight evil and anti semetic Arab terrorists. Let's see it, prove me I'm wrong!

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
I believe the title of this thread is true. Also I believe Belgium does not belong in it.

The title isn't true, although I agree Arabs are as evil as the Europeans. On previous post on this thread, I brought some quotes from the Torah which fuly explain my feelings about Arabs.

Belgium alone isn't Amalek, only part of it. Europe in General, and Germany in particular fits the defenition of Amalek, like a glove.

Also, see European support in finance of terrorism.

[Belgium 2]

Hey Gilly-boy, who do you think you are? :mad:
What do you know of our culture? Like you are the all-knowing master of culture and religion?
Well, anyways, Belgium and I had a pretty good laugh with your responses and we hope you can get into the showbizz and have a show like Jay Lenno! Hugs, but no kisses!

[Jorge]

This Thread appears to have turned into a show piece for exacerbated Jewish paranoia. Somehow correspondents have managed to throw together into the Amalek bin the Arab and the Europeans.
The main reason, as far as I gather, for the Europe-Amalek identity
is a fairly critical position of most european countries in front of present israeli policies. I remark present because we should not forget that europeans were, a few decades ago, the staunchest supporters of the State of Israel.
By the same reasoning we ought to include in the Amalek bin, most of African and Asian countries, together with Australia, South America; in short practically Everybody except american right-wingers and some countries in the West Indies (which seem unaware of our existence).

Amalek has a very clear implication, as our Torah scholars say. How can it be that the whole world has turned into Amalek?.
Couldn't it just be that most of the world finds our use of extreme force against the palestinians, unjustified?

It is fair to say that few European countries can show a clean record concerning their treatment of conquered populations in the past. But, does this mean that the present generations cannot judge or criticize others because of what their grand parents did?

[Mediocrates]

As long as you accept that in the year 2003 we need to qualify one's country's general tenor and statements of genocidal rage. As long as we still need to say "Well not ALL of the citizenry publically scream for the deaths of Jews" then ok. It's all simply a matter of how low you set the bar.

[Jorge]

I hitch-hiked into this Amalek thread because the subject has for long made me feel uneasy. This, not only because it sounds so barbaric (people used to do similar or worse things in those days), but because of the way some Christians and Jews have used to keep the subject afresh over the centuries since the story was written.

We read in Leviticus XVII.16:

The Lord hath sworn: the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation

Which kind of war this one meant to be is made quite clear by Samuel when telling Saul (Samuel XV.3):

Now go and smite Amalek , and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep camel and ass.

These and other passages on the subject have “inspired� countless Bible readers over the ages to this day. We see even that some fellow members of this Forum are still looking around for plausible candidates for the amalekites fate.

The Amalek episode poses quite a serious dilemma as to Who and How. Who is the Amalek of each generation and How do we deal with it. In the case of Moses and later of Saul, the dilemma didn’t quite exist because the Lord designated Amalek and told them explicitly how to deal with them. Problem came afterwards when, after the Prophets, the Lord stopped talking to us and left to our humble minds to guess His intentions.

True there’s always been some people ( quite dangerously in my opinion) that claim to know how God is thinking and what are His designs. That’s how Anabaptists, Huguenots and countless aborigines were put to the sword all over the planet. Since quite a number of Jews undergone the same treatment we may infer that that wasn’t our God talking, but their God.

Therein lies the catch: in a world with many Gods, each one supposedly talking to his own selected people, telling them who should be utterly destroyed and who spared, some confusion is bound to arise.

In these days, for instance, we have Allah supposedly telling to some Islamic fundamentalists that Israelis should be smitten. We have also the Lord of Hosts telling some fundamentalist Jews (including some distinguished Forum fellow members) that the Arabs should be smitten. If a battle could be staged so that fundamentalists of both religions could carnage each other at their mutual satisfaction, this world might be a jollier place to live in. Such a battle, unfortunately, is rather difficult to arrange and what happens in practice, is that a considerable amount of innocent bystanders, who do not presume of being knowledgeable of His designs, get killed in the process.

[Noam]

Originally posted by Jorge
I hitch-hiked into this Amalek thread because the subject has for long made me feel uneasy. This, not only because it sounds so barbaric (people used to do similar or worse things in those days), but because of the way some Christians and Jews have used to keep the subject afresh over the centuries since the story was written.

We read in Leviticus XVII.16:

The Lord hath sworn: the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation

Which kind of war this one meant to be is made quite clear by Samuel when telling Saul (Samuel XV.3):

Now go and smite Amalek , and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep camel and ass.


Amalek is a symbol.
The FUkkers that blew up 23 in Istanbul went there because They cannot do it easily in Israel or Russia or even France.

These are maggots that only hit the weak , the unsuspecting, the indefensible.

"G=d", the truth, nature, our value system,....whatever--tells us in Western Civilization that such vermin HAVE TO BE ERADICATED!

PROST UND POSHET.
These and other passages on the subject have “inspired� countless Bible readers over the ages to this day. We see even that some fellow members of this Forum are still looking around for plausible candidates for the amalekites fate.

The Amalek episode poses quite a serious dilemma as to Who and How. Who is the Amalek of each generation and How do we deal with it. In the case of Moses and later of Saul, the dilemma didn’t quite exist because the Lord designated Amalek and told them explicitly how to deal with them. Problem came afterwards when, after the Prophets, the Lord stopped talking to us and left to our humble minds to guess His intentions.

True there’s always been some people ( quite dangerously in my opinion) that claim to know how God is thinking and what are His designs. That’s how Anabaptists, Huguenots and countless aborigines were put to the sword all over the planet. Since quite a number of Jews undergone the same treatment we may infer that that wasn’t our God talking, but their God.

Therein lies the catch: in a world with many Gods, each one supposedly talking to his own selected people, telling them who should be utterly destroyed and who spared, some confusion is bound to arise.

In these days, for instance, we have Allah supposedly telling to some Islamic fundamentalists that Israelis should be smitten. We have also the Lord of Hosts telling some fundamentalist Jews (including some distinguished Forum fellow members) that the Arabs should be smitten. If a battle could be staged so that fundamentalists of both religions could carnage each other at their mutual satisfaction, this world might be a jollier place to live in. Such a battle, unfortunately, is rather difficult to arrange and what happens in practice, is that a considerable amount of innocent bystanders, who do not presume of being knowledgeable of His designs, get killed in the process.