Extremely Serious threat from the North

[NewsGuy]

Now, more than ever, we see the terrible results of Barak's mistake in withdrawing from Lebanon in the way he did. As you may recall, Israel handed over all of Lebanon's land that Israel had used as a security zone to stop terrorist activity aimed at Israel's Northern towns. The UN itself has certified that every inch of Lebanese land was returned to Lebanese control.

Still, the Arabs are actively engaged in trying to wage war on Israel from Lebanon.

Just goes to show how the Arab/Israeli conflict has nothing to do with land or "occupation," but rather with the goal of the Arabs to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

In the past few days, the Hizbullah, in cooperation with Syria and Iran, has been shooting missiles again into Israeli towns, trying to hit civilian population centers. This is extremely dangerous to Israel and to the entire world. Here's why:

In the past 2 years, Hizbullah has been stocking thousands of short and medium-range missiles, delivered from Iran and trucked through Syria, right on Israel's Northern border. This has been done with the complete knowledge of UN monitors, and of the Lebanese army.

Israel is sure to respond to the barrage of missiles. Already Peres has publicly warned that Israel will have no choice but to retaliate against Syria and Lebanon if the missiles continue. Kofi Annan has warned those countries to stop Hizbullah, which is controlled by Syria and Iran and operating from Lebanese soil.

In the past, Israel has retaliated againt Syria for Hizbullah bombings, and while Syria did not respond, it has indicated that it is ready to respond if this happened again.

In the next few days there is a very good chance that Syria will come under Israeli attack in retaliation for the Hizbullah missiles. I would imagine that if there are Israeli casualties from those missiles, then Israel will act.

The result is that Israel could find itself in a war waged on 2 borders, and which might flare up into a regional conflict potentially, although an all-out Mideastern war is unlikely, IMO.

Still, a war between Israel and Syria, with thousands of missiles shot into Israeli population centers would result in a large number of Israeli casualties and an intense Israeli reaction that could produce total Mideast chaos.

[Flame]

NewsGuy... didn't the UN tell Israel to get out of Lebanon and didn't Lebanon ask Israel to come in to protect the Christian populaton in the first place?

ITs so hard to keep up with all the things that go on in the region.... and one or more nations are mad at Israel for leaving.... everyone is mad at Sharon from preventing that massacre... as if any other army would take orders from him???

The real "occupier" of the region is islam. It consumed the entire land mass almost over night when the Shah was disposed of. Had the ayatolla not taken over I have a feeling the M.E. might not be as volitle as it is now.

[Thair]

Misguided people! Do you swallow everything CNN and IDF tell you? I can tell you I lived in the West Bank town of Al Beirah. While I lived there, there was some ruckus, but no where as near as much as today. Who do you have to thank? General Sharon of course. Since NewsGuy loves to quote Israeli sources, take note an Israeli court found Sharon 'indirectly' responsible for the massacres that occured in Lebanon. In fact, this General who is no less a terrorist than Arafat. He threatens the stability of every life form in the region. If you must exile Arafat, let Sharon go with him and place someone of "Right-wing wants this man" caliber back in the negotiations. ( I lived in the regoin when the Right wing assasinated the Israeli prime minister).

[L@mplighterM]

Finding somone indirectly responsible is not the same as finding someone responsible.

Or are you implying that a guilty verdict is the same as a not guilty verdict?

It was Arabs killing Arabs so it should be considered an Arab problem. Muslims had been treating Christians badly to say the very least and they were evening the score. Wouldn?t you? I would again lay the blame directly at the feet of the PLO because they are the ones that started the conflict.

Hindsight is everything and a matter of fact if I had more hindsight I would be sitting on a diamond studded (not the seat, back or armrests) chair right now instead of a leather chair that cost a lousy few hundred bucks. The point is that Sharon is no more capable of foreseeing the future than anyone else.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Thair
Misguided people! Do you swallow everything CNN and IDF tell you?
No, I don't buy alot of the Arab lies and propaganda that CNN broadcasts, although I would choose CNN over al Jazeera, or al Hayat or al Baath or al Manr for accuracy any day.

As for the IDF I will ask you again, please show me even one example of the IDF being wrong.

Just because you don't agree that the IDF should fight Palestinian terrorism does not mean that they are not accurate.

I can tell you I lived in the West Bank town of Al Beirah. While I lived there, there was some ruckus, but no where as near as much as today. Who do you have to thank? General Sharon of course.
The ones we have to thank for al Beirah and Bir Zeit and Jenin and all the other terrorist breeding grounds are first and foremost the majority of the Palestinian people who view suicide bombing and other forms of terrorism as some kind of wonderful activities to be admired.

We can also thank the Palestinian population for accepting Hamas and Hizbullah and Osama bin Ladin and Arafat bin Ladin as their Heroes.

The Palestinians of al Beirah do not have the courage to demand an end to the PA's brutality and corruption stealing the international aid money and leaving the citizens of al Beirah and other Palestinian areas to live in poverty. They do not have the courage to demand a democratic leadership that can provide prosperity instead of the misery that has resulted.

It is for these reasons that the population has pushed itself into the disaster that their terrorist culture was sure to bring. And they knew what they were doing and what would happen, so this is no surprise at all to al Beirah.

Blaming Sharon for Palestinian terrorism is really like closing your eyes and wishing that someone else is responsible for your own problems. Sharon has repeatedly withdrawn the IDF troops out of the Palestinian-disputed territories and has accepted several frameworks for peace, like Tenet and Mitchell, etc., as well as offering his own.

In all cases, the Palestinians decided to use terrorism, not peaceful negotiations. So now they are paying the price, and I hope that they will learn a big lesson that it is better to live as a civilized society than as a terrorist entitiy.

Since NewsGuy loves to quote Israeli sources, take note an Israeli court found Sharon 'indirectly' responsible for the massacres that occured in Lebanon.
Yes, this is true. The Israeli legal system has wrongly decided that Ariel Sharon was indirectly responsible for Arabs slaughtering one another in Lebanon. Of course by this measure, every Arab leader would be guilty of crimes against humanity, as well.

But the Arab vs. Arab violence was a direct consequence of the Christian Arabs growing tired of suffering from being massacred by Muslim Arabs, and in this case, by Arafat's PLO troops who carried out large-scale attrocities against the Lebanese population.

This isn't Sharon's problem. It is an Arab problem. NO offense to you personally, but you know that wherever the Palestinians go, they try to destroy the country they are in, overthrow the government, and slaughter thousands of innocent people. It was this way in Lebanon, in Israel, in Egypt, in Jordan, and in Kuwait.

I don't know how you can say this is Sharon's fault at all.

Am I wrong about this, Thair?

[Thair]

Lets see. Where to start on a bunch of thugs in Ramallah who declared a no military zone just so they can get away with more atrocities? You wish for proof of the IDF lies. Well, I just have to look up one of the many massacres they committed against my people, or, to be specific, when a married man supporting his and his brother's family decided to become a terrorist all of the sudden. For specific visual proof, why there is the internet of course. Take this site for example.
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/jew/crime.htm

After viewing this site, I hope that you are convinced by the liars and brute thugs the IDF is. As you can see, these pictures were shown on CNN but with a few additions. Withholding information, as the American media loves to do, changes an attrocity to "self-defense." Also, I am naive when it comes to people, but as far as political bodies and nations, I judge them by their actions and not press release statements. These pictures, by the way, were in the Arab media. And before you call them fakes, examine the similarity between them and CNN. They are quite similar.

As far as the traitors in Arab power today, they are traitors who betrayed Muslims for some secular power and to kiss the feet of the American leadership. Also, in Lebanon, you say Arabs slaughtered Arabs. That's true. But have you ever heard of the term "green light." Everybody, even the Israeli courts know, Sharon gave the green light for thugs to commit atrocities in Sabra and Shatila just as Bush gave Sharon the light for Sharon to invade. The thug is far better than his boss, for a thug lacks a brain (not justification for crimes against humanity) while the boss has pure evil in his heart. Also, Arabs vs. Arabs is not really fair. It wouldn't be as fair to use the incident when the Israeli government blew up a ship filled with Jews because they didn't wish to live in an apartheid state. Unfortunately, many Arabs proved in the past that Israel can easily purchase them ( In the territories spies are getting what they deserve, i.e. intellegence officers for the IDF of Palestinian descent) . This militia group was definitely pro-Israel, or why would they do Israel's dirty work? Hatred for a common enemy has always brought people together and even makes them friends - for the moment.

[Ezra]

Thair,

You should thank your God sooooo much that your war is against a civilized country.

I'm not sure how old are you, but do you remember what previous Syrian president Hafez El-Asad did to the Palestinians is El-Zarqa/Syria in Aylool El-Aswad (Black Aylool) in the seventy's when they tried to change the ruling system in Syria by force and conspiracy?

He COMPLETELY surrounded the whole town, forbidding any single person to go in or out. Then, using his Air force and heavy rockets, he demolished the whole town to ground. He actually flattened the whole town killing ALL the 120 thousands Palestinians in it….

Do you remember that?

Don't forget to thank God before going to sleep tonight..

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Thair
For specific visual proof, why there is the internet of course. Take this site for example.
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/jew/crime.htm
Nice try, Thair.

I am laughing not at the sad reality of the images, but at the Arab attempt to fool those who are so gullible.

We have already been shown these photos of the Palestinian suicide bomber being rightfully shot to death before he had the chance to detonate the explosives that were strapped to his body. Of course, the photos of the explosives were conveneiently removed to create a fake sequence like what we saw. But the Arabs made the mistake of releasing the photos of the bomb-removing robot, which gave away the entire trick.

Here's the discussion in this forum of the photos you linked to:

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=2587#post2587

btw - I am particularly impressed with the journalistic accuracy of the site you linked to, which has a fine menu of racist propaganda articles like "Evil, Genocide and Wars Spread by Judaism and Christianity", "Free Masons! (Ever Heard of People with such Evil Planning?)", etc.

Also, in Lebanon, you say Arabs slaughtered Arabs. That's true. But have you ever heard of the term "green light." Everybody, even the Israeli courts know, Sharon gave the green light for thugs to commit atrocities in Sabra and Shatila just as Bush gave Sharon the light for Sharon to invade.
That was not the Israeli court determination at all. Rather, Sharon was accused not of action, but of inaction, because it took him several hours to send Israeli troops in to risk their own lives saving Muslim Arabs from being slaughtered by Christian Arabs.

When the Israeli troops got there, it turns out that the Arabs had already slaughtered one another, and for this Sharon is being accused as if all the actions of all Arabs are Sharon's responsibility.

I really don't know how the Arab world can look to Sharon to be their babysitter and their savior from being slaughtered by one another. This view is not very realistic, IMO.

Also, Arabs vs. Arabs is not really fair. It wouldn't be as fair to use the incident when the Israeli government blew up a ship filled with Jews because they didn't wish to live in an apartheid state.
What you describe is, in fact, Jewish vs, Jewish violence to save lives when the ship carrying weapons was blown up by Jews. This is how Jews act when they made a collective decision to live as civilized people and not as terrorists -- a lesson that the Palestinians and other Islamic terrorists should learn.

But Arab vs. Arab violence is rampant, and only confined to the incident I mentioned.

As you know, in Egypt the Islamic extremist have slaughtered many innocent Arabs and Coptic Christian Arabs. IN Jordan, Black September resulted in 20,000 dead palestinians at the hands of their Arab brothers. Saddam used chemical weapons to mass murder his own Arab and Islamic brothers by the thousands, and in Syria, papa Assad wiped an entire village of Arabs off the face of the earth. Some accounts say 32,000 dead Arabs if I rememeber correctly.

But the main Arab vs. Arab violence is the blood bath in Algeria that goes on for many years. Entire villages whose Arab inhabitants have been beheaded and disembowled, then thrown to bleed into the village water wells -- all slaughtered by Islamic mass murderers.

So, anyway, the Sabra and Shatilla massacres are onyl a small event in the big picture of Arab vs. Arab terrorism, which in total is only the fault of Arab and Islamic society and has nothing to do with Israel or Sharon.

[Elena]

Good bless america ... and bless all us too

[stopitalready]

Back to the beginning of this post, I dont think that HEzbollah firing rockets in to Mt HErmon is any real threat to Isreal. That is if Israel has just cause in the International community to strike back. In three days the Israeli airforce can clear all Hezbollah forces out of southern lebanon without putting one soldier on the ground or losing one soldier. But, the international community cannot chastise them for defending themselves if this happens, or else they would be at war with Syria (who should want no part of war with the Israeli army)

Barak made no mistake. It is another country. And while good fences make good neighbors.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by stopitalready
In three days the Israeli airforce can clear all Hezbollah forces out of southern lebanon without putting one soldier on the ground or losing one soldier.

Then why, in the twenty years that we tried, did Israel not succeed?