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humus_sapiens
11-03-2003, 12:14 AM
http://www.wiesenthal.com/mailings_swc/swc_oct3003.html

EUROPEAN COMMISSION POLL: "ISRAEL IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO WORLD PEACE."

Results of a new poll commissioned by the European Commission show that Israel is believed by Europeans in 15 countries to be the greatest threat to world peace, greater than North Korea, Iran, or Afghanistan.

While the European Commission will release the full results of the poll on Monday, the International Herald Tribune reported that the 7,500 people polled living in the European Union (500 in each of the 15 E.U. member states) were presented with a list of 15 countries and asked if these countries present a threat to world peace. Shockingly, Israel was rated first.This poll is an indication that Europeans have bought into the vilification and demonization campaign directed against the State of Israel and her supporters by European leaders and media.


Mr. Romano Prodi
President, European Commission

I join with the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and its supporters around the world, in expressing outrage and deep concern at the results of a special European Commission poll which indicates that the State of Israel presents the biggest threat to world peace.

These shocking poll results defy logic and demonstrate a racist flight of fancy that only proves that a systematic campaign vilifying Israel by European institutions, leaders, and the media has embedded antisemitism more deeply within European society than in any other period since the end of World War II.

If the results of this survey are as reported, then Israel should draw the only conclusion possible: that such blatant bias disqualifies the European Union and its members from any future role in the Middle East peace process.


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Remember the secret of Nazi's "success": do it gradually. First, the Jews were delegitimized, then boycotted, then their rights were taken away, etc... you know the drill... -hs

Gilgamesh
11-03-2003, 05:05 AM
That poll only proves again, that Europe is the real threat to world peace. Nothing had changed sine WWI, WWII

humus_sapiens
11-04-2003, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Gilgamesh
That poll only proves again, that Europe is the real threat to world peace. Nothing had changed sine WWI, WWII

A lot has changed. The oil consumption has skyrocketed.

nuttie
11-04-2003, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by Gilgamesh
That poll only proves again, that Europe is the real threat to world peace. Nothing had changed sine WWI, WWII Precisely my sentiments. To which I would add: the Arab-Israeli conflict began by European incitement in the 1920s (introduction of European antisemitism to the Middle East), and has ever since been fuelled by additional European incitement. The Europeans now fight the Jews by proxy. I only wish that the proxy, who are the Arabs, would wake up and realize how they are being used by evil Europe.

Gilgamesh
11-04-2003, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by humus_sapiens
A lot has changed. The oil consumption has skyrocketed.

I agree, it will only get worse, since Europe is bent on closing down its nuclear powerplants, relaying more heavily on oil products. Plus, the rising consumption capablity in East Europe, and the on going immigration into Europe: More cars!!!

Nutti, I agree with you. That is exactly what I always claimed Europe is doing.

MotherNorth
11-04-2003, 04:46 AM
Hi all!

I live here "evil Europe" and i have a bit different reason of that why "our" people could give that kind of result about world threats.

Reason is not the Israel itself - reason is US, because it is walking through UN and EU all the time giving Israel change to not to be caring about any UN laws..

Europe never would break itīs own rules and laws (meaning UN), and we are wery frustrated of being walk all over - 38 times now the US have been collapse our opinions with veto wich have consern about Israel.

We do not actually think that Israel would be somekind threat for the world - we are angry to US and itīs allys.

Bye.

Mediocrates
11-04-2003, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by Gilgamesh
I agree, it will only get worse, since Europe is bent on closing down its nuclear powerplants, relaying more heavily on oil products.



I didn't know that - where does that come from? The French are scheduled for a referendum this year or next to determine where their high level nuclear waste is going to be. Today something like 3/4ths of their electricity comes from nuclear.

In eastern Europe, particularly Hungary the air is horrible from decades of high sulphur coal. It would seem that they are more prone to add more nuclear plants.

Gilgamesh
11-04-2003, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Mediocrates
I didn't know that - where does that come from? The French are scheduled for a referendum this year or next to determine where their high level nuclear waste is going to be. Today something like 3/4ths of their electricity comes from nuclear.

In eastern Europe, particularly Hungary the air is horrible from decades of high sulphur coal. It would seem that they are more prone to add more nuclear plants.

You are right about France, but not so in Germany. Germans, out of fear from "Jewish technology", growing difficulty to modernize and, ofcourse, the Chernobil catastrophy, push public opinion against nuclear reactors. Same goes to Britain, and other European coutries. Nuclear facilities are closing down, and new ones, are not open.

They much rather giant bird choppers called "windmills", which spray animal blood and flash bits, all over...

Europeans seem to have problems in understanding the concept of radiation, they consider it a worse health hazared then the multitude of deadly poisons created in burning of fossile fules.

BTW, as for radiation: the sun is radiating too, and its radiation is quite deadly and known to be canserogenic. Should we put th sun out?

Gilgamesh
11-04-2003, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by MotherNorth
Hi all!

I live here "evil Europe" and i have a bit different reason of that why "our" people could give that kind of result about world threats.

Reason is not the Israel itself - reason is US, because it is walking through UN and EU all the time giving Israel change to not to be caring about any UN laws..

Europe never would break itīs own rules and laws (meaning UN), and we are wery frustrated of being walk all over - 38 times now the US have been collapse our opinions with veto wich have consern about Israel.

We do not actually think that Israel would be somekind threat for the world - we are angry to US and itīs allys.

Bye.

Israel has no respect or patience for UN nonsense. The UN cannot represent the will of the world since the majority of its members are not democratic societies, a fact Europe convinianly ignors.

Arabs have turned the UN into constant Israel bashing show, while sidelining REAL problems of human rights in Arab states, war prevention, women rights in Arab states, education in Arab states and elsewhere... Noble peace prize winner, Coffee Anan, stood idle while Africans genocide each other, in Ruwanda, Sudan, Algire, Congo... Not to mention Serbia, where Serbs suffer constantly from Islamist terrorism, forced to flee under threat of vilonce from Kosovo over decades, Kosovo is Serb, through birth right!.

AS long as the UN is anti American and anti semetic (although American funded) hypocirtical debate club for European charletans, busy in promoting anti semetic propaganda, The UN will keep on being ignored by Israel.

If the whole world say we should kill ourselves, should we do that? If the world go crazy, should we join them?

Had I been the PM, Israel would've long ago stop wasting money on the UN, and resign. Israel should open our own diplomatic circle, with other countries tired from the UN. I believe India will follow us, and so will china and other countries. Europe will have the UN and the Arabs all for herself.

nuttie
11-05-2003, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by MotherNorth
Hi all!

I live here "evil Europe" and i have a bit different reason of that why "our" people could give that kind of result about world threats.

Reason is not the Israel itself - reason is US, because it is walking through UN and EU all the time giving Israel change to not to be caring about any UN laws..

Europe never would break itīs own rules and laws (meaning UN), and we are wery frustrated of being walk all over - 38 times now the US have been collapse our opinions with veto wich have consern about Israel.

We do not actually think that Israel would be somekind threat for the world - we are angry to US and itīs allys.

Bye. For your information, MotherNorth, Israel is not in breech of any UN binding resolution, and has not broken any law. The very fact that you are under the impression it has, testifies amply to how Europeans are flooded by propaganda rather than fact.

All UN resolutions concerning Israel are of the status of RECOMMENDATION FOR NEGOCIATIONS, and in every case that the other side was willing to negociate and fulfil its part, Israel fully fulfilled its side of the deal. So it was with Egypt, and so it was with the Lebanon withdrawal (of which Syria is still to fulfil its part, and also withdraw from Lebanon).

In fact, so it was also with the Palestinian authority: the deal was Land for Peace by gradual stages. Israel fulfilled its side of the first stages and gave land, but the Palestinians never fulfilled their part: peace. Quite on the contrary, the more land they got, the more they perpetrated terror attacks.

It is another sign of how Europeans are awash with anti-Jewish propaganda that most of them are not aware of this. Worse, they believe wrongly that it was Israel that failed to fulfil its part, and ignore the ample factual evidence to the contrary. Why?

I shall give you a small example that should have made you think, even if no real information was coming your way. When the present spate of terror attacks on Israel started, in 2001, the European media were quoting the Palestinians saying that they only do this to free their "occupied land". Later, after Israel rightly moved into their territory to combat the terror groups that had attacked her, they began to say that they fight to free their "re-occupied land". Now, you tell me, how can a land already occupied be re-occupied? This alone should have made you suspect that your media feed you lies.

humus_sapiens
11-05-2003, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by MotherNorth
Reason is not the Israel itself - reason is US, because it is walking through UN and EU all the time giving Israel change to not to be caring about any UN laws..


What UN laws exactly, please? BTW, in case you don't know: Israel is a sovereign independent state, just as Finland. You have a problem with that?

Europe never would break itīs own rules and laws (meaning UN), and we are wery frustrated of being walk all over - 38 times now the US have been collapse our opinions with veto wich have consern about Israel.

That is exactly what we are talking about: Europeans' "concern" about the Jews for the last 2000 years.

We do not actually think that Israel would be somekind threat for the world - we are angry to US and itīs allys.


Very interesting way to express your anger at the US.

Now let me ask you a question. Don't you think Finland should have started "peace process" with the Soviets in winter 1939 instead of fighting them?