why do we need check points?

[stopitalready]

If Palestinians want their own country, why should they be allowed to enter and work in Israel? Why not close the borders and regulate travel just like any other two coutries borders? Maybe then it will become apparent to Palestinians that they need to have good relations for their own economic needs more than anything else.

[Flame]

One of the thousands of sneaky things about the so-called palestines is the disputed territory was Jordanian land and Egyptian land... not only do they want their state to be in both locations... but to allow that to happen would put Israel into a bottleneck and have less security than she does now... When looking at a map, it isn't hard to imagine that the paln is to eventually encroach the borders and merge both regions which would cut Israel in half of what she is now... cutting her off from all of her historic areas and water supply. A pal state is a BAD BAD BAD idea mainly because of the trechery and vunerability it will create.

[stopitalready]

but that doesnt answer my question. i know they were once part of egypt and jordan--two countries that dont want them back. and why should egypt want a small strip of land that is overpopulated with poor radicals? and jordan is already discontent with its own palestinian population.

so why check points?

[Flame]

It would be impossible... they would still cry human rights abuse... gaza and the west back are at either side of Israel and they would demand having access though Israel to go from one end to the other. How dare Israel make it difficult for them to travel in and out of both ends of their state. Look at the map, impossible to have so much land watched.

Consider the borders in the States with canada and mexico... borders are not difficult to cross.... unless there is a human chain... that's a lot of people.

[stopitalready]

this is true, but officially, israel can shut down palestinian employment in israel.

and human rights? this is a plan for when the palestinians have their own country. but no rights to ours.

and i never understood how gaza and the west bank could be one country seperate from israel because of the exact geographical limitations that you point out. ideally egypt would take gaza and leave it out of this equation. but as we established, no one wants gaza.

[David A]

I agree and think it makes sense to simply close the borders. The Israelis can then remove the checkpoints in West Bank. Then the two sides can go their separate ways. I know that terrorism and the occupation are linked, but neither side should use one as an excuse not to end the other.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by David A
I agree and think it makes sense to simply close the borders. The Israelis can then remove the checkpoints in West Bank. Then the two sides can go their separate ways. I know that terrorism and the occupation are linked, but neither side should use one as an excuse not to end the other.

If Israel simply withdrew to the '67 borders, terrorism would increase tenfold.

You are assuming that the Palestinians' main complaint is that Israel "occupies" the West Bank and Gaza. In reality, the Palestinians' main complaint is that Israel exists. The idea that the Palestinians just want "their own state" is simply not true.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad, for example, have always said that their goal is to liberate "all of Palestine -- from the Jordan to the sea."

What Israel must do is use all of the military force required to annihilate Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the other Palestinian terrorist groups. Plus, Israel should overthrow the PA and ensure it is replaced by a regime that does not encourage, reward, and glorify terrorism as Arafat's thugocracy does.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by ibrodsky


If Israel simply withdrew to the '67 borders, terrorism would increase tenfold.

Bingo!

Give them an independent state smack in Gaza, Judea and Samaria and they can bring in shiploads of armor and sophisticated weapons. After all, independent states can do that, you know.