Internet sites are abuzz with hate.

[Noam]

The Haters have reached theri 15 min fame status:

"...you don't have to go to Hollywood to join the orgy. Internet sites are abuzz with hate. One of them keeps a "body count" of all the folk George W. and his family have put on ice over the years. Too bad that Owney Madden and Lucky Luciano, Frank Costello and Joey Gallo are still dead. They could take notes."...

"... Internet conspiracy theories are always convoluted if not necessarily imaginative, and usually make sense only to the spinners. "...

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...The hatred will darken and fester as the situation in Iraq improves, as it will, and as the economy pops and crackles to life, as it has begun to do. Only yesterday the Democrats thought such gods as they believe in were smiling on them, with Americans dying in Iraq and out of work at home. Now their laughter is dying in tears, while the rest of us cheer."....
http://www.washtimes.com/national/pruden.htm

LOLOLOLOL

[Elisheba]

...not to mention internet forums...

I joined Democratic Underground because it promotes itself as a 'big tent' for all except the most right-wing views.

In this 'big tent' are many forums, including the one entitled I/P (Israel/Palestine). Enough of my pro-Israel friends and I have been banned from there to actually set up a locked group of our own to strategize against their hatred for Jews and for Israel.

I was banned because I pointed out to the moderator "Lithos" that a pro-Palestinian, "Resistance", was using a signature line that had to do with I/P. I told him I would therefore use a similar one from the other perspective. Guess what: I'm banned; the other poster is still there. Another Jew-hater, "Violet Crumble", sent vicious private messages (and I mean really hateful) to many of us who post pro-Israel. We submitted them to the administration. Two of us were banned; one given 2 weeks off the forum and 2 more given "written warnings."

Believe me, there is NOTHING democratic about Democratic Underground!

Anyone wish to let the site owner know that we know, his email is skinner@democraticunderground.com and his real name is David Allen.

BTW, "Lithos" refers pejoratively to Israel Forum as well as the Jerusalem Post and any other place which might hold some positive feelings toward Jews and/or Israel.

[rhodescholar]

Originally posted by Elisheba
...not to mention internet forums... Believe me, there is NOTHING democratic about Democratic Underground!

Anyone wish to let the site owner know that we know, his email is skinner@democraticunderground.com and his real name is David Allen.

BTW, "Lithos" refers pejoratively to Israel Forum as well as the Jerusalem Post and any other place which might hold some positive feelings toward Jews and/or Israel.

I quickly reviewed several of the threads at this site, and i found it to be so immature and childish as to be a waste of time. Its probably run by some HS/college kid at a university who is a leftist prop-pal idiot.

Look, there are plenty of similar extreme leftist sites out there, and it is pointless to tackle all of them, esp ones like that with one line posts and completely devoid of rational arguments. I did notice that the moderator seemed to delete posts that would appear to defend israel (i based this on the position of the deleted post as i couldnt obviously read what was deleted). This alone is enough to ensure avoidance of the site.

[Kev]

I glanced as well and found Violet Crumble to be a silly ass!

Her blog site was equally childish with her awards given fools for the week.


Just another person with far too much time on her hands.

I wouldnt bother sending them any emails either.
They sound like immature school/university kids.

[Elisheba]

I agree with you...now...but, it's harder when you are caught up in the moment.

Skinner, of the email address I provided above, is a man in his 40's who has indeed spent much of his adult years as a political hack. He clearly is running DU for some power-trip vision I cannot fathom.

It's also interesting to read your assessments because the FBI does monitor the site and they've probably come to the same conclusions as you!

...I guess I got that old 'the Christians don't want to play with you because you killed Jesus' feeling again...I think they call that the Christmas spirit :D ...

[Like2Talk]

Originally posted by Noam
Internet sites are abuzz with hate. I personnally feel this site is abuzz with hate too.

And using contestable methods (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=74252#post74252) too :



Originally posted by Elisheba
He clearly is running DU for some power-trip vision I cannot fathom. same question here...



as for the radicalization of opinions in the US it's both due to the elections ahead and to the invasion of Iraq which triggered strong rejection feelings. Needlessly killing thousands does not bother many around here, especially when they are consideredprimitives But hopefully not everyone shares this overwhelming feeling of superiority over the rest of the world.


anyway, a bit of radicalization can bring more democratic choice to the US citizen, who has a limited choice of political parties.
So much that most of the time he doesn't feel it is necessary to vote a all, nothing being at stake.

So it might not be a bad thing for democracy.

just my two cents anyway

[frizzer1]

Originally posted by Elisheba
...not to mention internet forums...

I joined Democratic Underground because it promotes itself as a 'big tent' for all except the most right-wing views.

In this 'big tent' are many forums, including the one entitled I/P (Israel/Palestine). Enough of my pro-Israel friends and I have been banned from there to actually set up a locked group of our own to strategize against their hatred for Jews and for Israel.

Believe me, there is NOTHING democratic about Democratic Underground!



I just took a look at them. In their rules they tell you upfront that if you are a conservative or support Bush they will ban you right away.
They don't want debate.They just want to express their opinions without any disagreement.
Seems rather pointless to me.

[Elisheba]

Originally posted by frizzer1
I just took a look at them. In their rules they tell you upfront that if you are a conservative or support Bush they will ban you right away.
They don't want debate.They just want to express their opinions without any disagreement.
Seems rather pointless to me.

Actually, I am NOT a conservative and I do NOT support Bush. However, they make it very clear in their rules that they consider themselves to be a BIG tent for democrats from DLC to left-wing.

Unfortunately, they don't explain they also are anti-Semitic and precipitous! I found out the hard way... :o

[rhodescholar]

Originally posted by Like2Talk
I personnally feel this site is abuzz with hate too.

And using contestable methods (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=74252#post74252) too :



same question here...



as for the radicalization of opinions in the US it's both due to the elections ahead and to the invasion of Iraq which triggered strong rejection feelings. Needlessly killing thousands does not bother many around here, especially when they are consideredBut hopefully not everyone shares this overwhelming feeling of superiority over the rest of the world.


anyway, a bit of radicalization can bring more democratic choice to the US citizen, who has a limited choice of political parties.
So much that most of the time he doesn't feel it is necessary to vote a all, nothing being at stake.

So it might not be a bad thing for democracy.

just my two cents anyway

Your comments arent even worth half a cent. When discussing the "thousands of killed", how about including the mass graves of saddam victims, the 1 million killed in the iraq-iran war, and the 1,200 children under 14 in the mass grave found a few months ago?

I ask you to ask their parents if they are unhappy saddam is gone, but they are probably dead also. And it hasnt gone unnotticed how you never responded to my earlier post:

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=74011#post74011

I guess its the silence of the intellectually defeated, a sound i have heard very loudly in the US over the past 20 years emanating from the democratic party.

[Elisheba]

Originally posted by rhodescholar
Your comments arent even worth half a cent. When discussing the "thousands of killed", how about including the mass graves of saddam victims, the 1 million killed in the iraq-iran war, and the 1,200 children under 14 in the mass grave found a few months ago?

I ask you to ask their parents if they are unhappy saddam is gone, but they are probably dead also. And it hasnt gone unnotticed how you never responded to my earlier post:

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=74011#post74011

I guess its the silence of the intellectually defeated, a sound i have heard very loudly in the US over the past 20 years emanating from the democratic party.

You wrote "20 years", but Clinton was in for 8 of them and was considered a 'liberal'. To me, the only place he was 'liberal' was in his 'affairs' and his facade.

The problem with this polarization is that one side looks at one sets of deaths w/o acknowledging the other as if it was a contest. I don't see why we can't be more empathetic and care more about, to be Jewish, JUSTICE JUSTICE!

It seems to me that as the League of Nations became obsolete, so has the United Nations and the 2-party system in the US. :mad:

[Like2Talk]

Originally posted by rhodescholar
you never responded to my earlier post:
Originally posted by rhodescholar
Your comments arent even worth half a cent.
just make up your mind : do you want to talk or do you rather just want to spit on me?

Your previous message to me was of the very same kind (the good news is the post didn't look plain racist, which is better than most posts around).

[Noam]

"I personnally feel this site is abuzz with hate too."

HUH?

I DON"T HATE YOU.

I don't even know you-- how can I hate you?

[rhodescholar]

Originally posted by Like2Talk
just make up your mind : do you want to talk or do you rather just want to spit on me?

Your previous message to me was of the very same kind (the good news is the post didn't look plain racist, which is better than most posts around).

I'd like to hear a response to my post cited above:

http://www.israelforum.com/board/sh...74011#post74011

Amazing how people like you duck for cover from posts like you are now, doing WHATEVER possible to change the subject. If you couldnt dream up up some silly excuse about the post's tone, it would be the weather. The arch enemy of the Extreme Left are facts, and they run like vampires from sunlight when they are exposed to them.

[rhodescholar]

Originally posted by Elisheba
You wrote "20 years", but Clinton was in for 8 of them and was considered a 'liberal'. To me, the only place he was 'liberal' was in his 'affairs' and his facade.

The problem with this polarization is that one side looks at one sets of deaths w/o acknowledging the other as if it was a contest. I don't see why we can't be more empathetic and care more about, to be Jewish, JUSTICE JUSTICE!

It seems to me that as the League of Nations became obsolete, so has the United Nations and the 2-party system in the US. :mad:

As a matter of fact, the reason for the failures of the democrats over the past 20 years is really quite simple. The rise of pandering to the "poor and disenfranchised" - my favorite useless political word of the last 10 years, coinciding with jesse jackson and his ilk's rise to national prominence, has ended the democrats viability in naitonal campaigns, and is now spreading to state ones as well.

And with this i include other types of pandering, such as to unions and other extreme leftist groups that the US, as an aging and increasingly conservative country, does not share political views with. And the demos inability to step up on security issues is simply astounding.

Since you mention it, in domestic affairs, i would be generally be considered rather liberal, as i am no friend of large corporations. The democrats could actually very easily gain in power, but are too beholden to leftist special interests.

[Elisheba]

Originally posted by rhodescholar
As a matter of fact, the reason for the failures of the democrats over the past 20 years is really quite simple. The rise of pandering to the "poor and disenfranchised" - my favorite useless political word of the last 10 years, coinciding with jesse jackson and his ilk's rise to national prominence, has ended the democrats viability in naitonal campaigns, and is now spreading to state ones as well.

And with this i include other types of pandering, such as to unions and other extreme leftist groups that the US, as an aging and increasingly conservative country, does not share political views with. And the demos inability to step up on security issues is simply astounding.

Since you mention it, in domestic affairs, i would be generally be considered rather liberal, as i am no friend of large corporations. The democrats could actually very easily gain in power, but are too beholden to leftist special interests.

Okay, I'll be picky because I bet my political view is not the majority around here.

Re: Paragraph 1 above:

You probably meant "culminating" rather than "coinciding" because I see Jackson as a band-wagon jumper yet the 'poor and disenfranchised' to to always be around somewhere. Your contempt for them is anything but (truly) Jewish!

Re: Paragraph 2 above:

The pandering to unions? does the triangle shirtwaist factory 'incident' conjure anything up for you? these are the very working people who make your life so easy! As to the corporate interests, they support both parties...it's just that the Republicans welcome their support w/o even a bit of embarrassment. As to military adventures: did you see where he sent troops for 8 years? Give me a break! But, Bush slips by a paycut for our troop in Iraq WHILE they're in Iraq. :rolleyes:

Re: Paragraph 3 above:

The democrats are in no way beholden to "leftist" special interests! They were the ones to take away welfare...no republican did. The democrats, however, do get more money from anti-gun, pro-choice and pro-environment corporations than do republicans, however, the DLC is 'Republian lite'.

IMHO, they have a problem with media distortion (sort of like Israel vs. Palestine in the world press). The truth doesn't get out!

[rhodescholar]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elisheba
Okay, I'll be picky because I bet my political view is not the majority around here.

Re: Paragraph 1 above:

You probably meant "culminating" rather than "coinciding" because I see Jackson as a band-wagon jumper yet the 'poor and disenfranchised' to to always be around somewhere. Your contempt for them is anything but (truly) Jewish!

Wrong. I dont advocate ignoring the poor, but the middle class, the foundation of any democracy, must be protected and nurtured FIRST. No middle class, no democracy, period. Its like health care today, if you are really poor or really rich - you can get it, but the middle class is gettings screwed.

Re: Paragraph 2 above:

The pandering to unions? does the triangle shirtwaist factory 'incident' conjure anything up for you? these are the very working people who make your life so easy! As to the corporate interests, they support both parties...it's just that the Republicans welcome their support w/o even a bit of embarrassment. As to military adventures: did you see where he sent troops for 8 years? Give me a break! But, Bush slips by a paycut for our troop in Iraq WHILE they're in Iraq. :rolleyes:

I support unions to a great extent, just not in the public sector i.e., teachers, policemen, firemen, etc. And given that factory workers are nearly extinct in the US, or will be in the next 20 years, they have little impact on making my life easy.

Re: Paragraph 3 above:

The democrats are in no way beholden to "leftist" special interests! They were the ones to take away welfare...no republican did. The democrats, however, do get more money from anti-gun, pro-choice and pro-environment corporations than do republicans, however, the DLC is 'Republian lite'.IMHO, they have a problem with media distortion (sort of like Israel vs. Palestine in the world press). The truth doesn't get out!

The democrats are owned by the trial lawyers, environmental lobby, and "action" groups like the NAACP. Clinton signed the welfare bill to try to co-opt republican positions, and not appear as a typical "just throw more money at the problem" democrat pandering to the poor/minorities/disenfranchised.

The only reason the DLC accepts corporate donors is because THEY HAVE TO to survive, the repubs would out-raise them by a wider margin if they didnt.