Boohoo! IDF damages a mosque.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Read and weep (http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/04/09/LatestNews/LatestNews.46581.html).

[muslim4israel2]

Mate if you have this attitude of indifference towards Islamic holy structures, you should not get hurt when someone destroys a Synagogue (or a few). Its a case of "boohoo" depending on what side your looking from.

I reckon any destruction of a holy site is terrible. Religion is to be respected. :)

[Flame]

I guess a chair fell over.

[L@mplighterM]

Mate if you have this attitude of indifference towards Islamic holy structures, you should not get hurt when someone destroys a Synagogue (or a few). Its a case of "boohoo" depending on what side your looking from.

I reckon any destruction of a holy site is terrible. Religion is to be respected.

Muslim4Islam I thought you posted on the other thread that you weren?t biased or political.

I say any site that contains contraband weapons should be leveled.

And again you show your anti-Semitism.

[muslim4israel2]

Mate, I AM UNPOLITICAL.

Anti........I dont even know that word. I have NO HATE whatsoever.

I'm just saying that if your gonna brock there stuff, they will flex your worship sites-and you should not cry as a result.

I'm the least racist person your gonna come across. Plzdont judge me, you dont know me.

[Negev]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
I'm the least racist person your gonna come across. Plzdont judge me, you dont know me.
muslim4israel2,

you sound far more reasonable than the lunatics on this board who attack you with racist nasty comments because they can't talk without fighting or insulting anyone who doesn't agree with their extremist opinions.

don't worry. even though there are idiots on this board others still hear you and understand that you're a reasonble guy and deserve respect. stick around. you have a lot to contribute here.

[muslim4israel2]

Thanks mate. I aint going no where fast, until its food time. :D

There is alot of "extremists" here, and if this were thev way Arabs ect talked here-they'd catch hell. Very unfair.

[L@mplighterM]

Muslim4Islam yes or no?

Should terrorists use mosques as sites for storing weapons?
Should terrorists be given sanctuary in mosques or churches?
Is a lousy building worth the loss of human life?

[L@mplighterM]

I’ll tell you what’s unfair and that’s when an innocent human is killed or shot when a projectile is fired from a mosque or a church.
Anyone that hides weapons in a church deserves to have the mosque blown up with them in it.
I suppose blowing up a restaurant full of patrons versus an empty mosque is more to your liking.

What are you the Pope4Israel?

[General X]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Thanks mate. I aint going no where fast, until its food time. :D

There is alot of "extremists" here, and if this were thev way Arabs ect talked here-they'd catch hell. Very unfair.

Uhm...not... really.... extremists. I'm glad there are people on this board who have different opinions, and I respect yours, but I don't think there are any extremists on this board. I think we are mostly sensible people who come to debate, not 'flame'. Maybe you are mistaking people who are frusturated becuz they feel strongly about something for extremists. There is a line, but if you refuse to see it and be ignorant, then you won't. Simple as that. I think what you say makes sense to a certain extent, but then our paths of opinion diverge, hence the forthcoming of a debate.

:rolleyes: :)

[muslim4israel2]

If Israel supports the demilision of holy buildings, then no wonder ppl dislike it. Under no circumstances should a Mosque, Church or Synagogue be levelled. No, no!

There is no justification for that. A resturant can lead to hate, but tearing down a religious item is a symbol against all muslims/christians and your only fighting like 8 m ppl-not 1.3 bn!

How would you feel if N.African synagogues were removed as they were "harboring" something. Exactly.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Plzdont judge me, you dont know me.

You don't know me either, yet you assumed:

"you have this attitude of indifference towards Islamic holy structures".

Anyone using sanctified sites of any religion to hide weapons or terrorists or to battle against the other side, should expect to kiss the building goodbye. Makes no difference whether it's a synagogue, church or mosque - period.

Such nonsense about synagogues in N. Africa. When you find some missiles in them, let us know.

You don't know me but we're sure getting to know you better.

[L@mplighterM]

It makes me wonder what medication or lack of it could start someone taking about South African synagogues out of the blue. Why SA synagogues?

Are you seeing a shrink at the moment?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
It makes me wonder what medication or lack of it could start someone taking about South African synagogues out of the blue. Why SA synagogues?

Are you seeing a shrink at the moment?

Relax! It's OK! He was talking about North African synagogues. Quite normal.

[L@mplighterM]

N.African synagogues now I understand. Yes of course N.African synagogues should remain untouched.

What about the ones in the US I hear they are out of bounds as well.

[L@mplighterM]

If Israel returned to the pre 67 borders, it couldnt do any harm could it. I doubt either side is truly yearning for a peace, its very sad to be honest.

Do you just write what you feel at the moment?
Where are these borders?
Why did Arafat sign the Oslo II Accord if he wanted pre 1967 borders?

Why the 1967 borders? Shouldn't that be the 1948 borders? Post a map showing where those borders where.

It's really stupid to make a statement based on nothing. Do you even know what peace is? Haven't you been listening to Sharon?

[muslim4israel2]

Yeah mate, I learnt peace of Sharon. :rolleyes: Then I went a killed 15,000 civilians ala 1982.

[L@mplighterM]

What utter nonsense my dog has more intelligence in his left paw than all the Muslims that use your kind of logic. You talk a lot but you never represent facts and that?s because your posts are full of nonsense. When ever you?re pressed for facts you skip the subject.

[General X]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
If Israel supports the demilision of holy buildings, then no wonder ppl dislike it. Under no circumstances should a Mosque, Church or Synagogue be levelled. No, no!

There is no justification for that. A resturant can lead to hate, but tearing down a religious item is a symbol against all muslims/christians and your only fighting like 8 m ppl-not 1.3 bn!

How would you feel if N.African synagogues were removed as they were "harboring" something. Exactly.
Frankly, I wouldn't care. If a synagogue is harboring missiles and rockets, then it should be levelled. The thing is, you won't find any synagogues that fit that description. Churches, mosques, or synagogues, or for that matter any other religious structures are not supposed to be used for unconventional purposes, such as storing weapons or staying there to conduct operations for military purposes. It's that simple. Twist what I say as you will muslim4israel2, but it's simple as that, church mosque or synagogue.

Another point:
It is internationally recognized that ambulances should NOT have any one else in them other than the sick or wounded. This means that NO, you MAY NOT have a suicide bomber in the back of your ambulance, as the Palistineans have done. NO you may NOT store weapons there. That's why the Red Cross sent an official letter to the PLO urging them to stop violating the international laws. There are certain rules of life, doctrines of morality, dictated to humans by their very conscience. The ability to distinguish right from wrong. For example, if you shoot someone baring a white flag of surrender, its plain wrong. It's irrational behavior. Same as shooting a nurse, or medic. Israel has not done so, but lets pretend they did shoot a nurse, and how the media would portray it. They say its a nurse, but what was the nurse doing... Lets pretend this is a report on the Middle East:

Lisa from BBC: 'Now lets go to our MidEast correspondent, Marge Blabber, for some news on the conflict'

Marge: "Thanks Lisa, you know, things have been heating up here lately. Recently, in Ramallah a medic was shot by Israeli soldiers. Demonstrations have been going on all afternoon.... blah blah blah"

Now how does that make the Israelis look? Now here's the catch. Lets say, that 'medic' was in fact dressed up as one, but had explosives ready to carry out a suicide bombing. So they shot the medic before the medic could blow his/herself up. Makes sense? Of course it does. Its simple- when you leave out certain information, the public will get a false impression. The truth- take it or leave it.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Yeah mate, I learnt peace of Sharon. :rolleyes: Then I went a killed 15,000 civilians ala 1982.

Yes, care to explain exactly what you're referring to? 15,000 Civilians? Where did you get such figures from? The War in Lebanon? Why was there a war? What triggered it?

C'mon, let's get serious.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Currently, the Ha'aretz newsflash ticker page (http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/objects/pages/ShowAllTickers.jhtml) is reporting that the IDF has found Kassam rocket motors stored in the minaret of another mosque in Ramallah.

BTW, I don't know if anyone abroad saw this but late last week we got to see some local footage of terrorists firing machine guns from inside the top of a minaret at the IDF. This may have been in Jenin but I don't remember. The picture were taken from the air, by an IAF UAV, if I'm not mistaken.

[muslim4israel2]

Israeli TV is capable of twisting the turth you know. Today, guns were found in a Tunisian Synagogue so some guy blew it up. Fair right?

:o

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Israeli TV is capable of twisting the turth you know.

When you grow up, we can talk about this somemore.


Today, guns were found in a Tunisian Synagogue so some guy blew it up.Fair, right[/B]

Interesting story. Got a link?

As someone else and myself said independently before, synagogues, too!

However, in the story you're giving they blew up a synagogue just for finding guns in it. I said nothing of a sort regarding holy sites. I said that they're fair game (synagogues included) if someone is shooting from within them.

The IDF at no point blew up a mosque because of weapons they found in it. They even refrained from return fire out of a warp ethical obligation that their own lives should be risk to spare the building. That's as unethical as you can get in my book, for any army in the world, regarding any holy site of any religion.

Talk yourself out of this one now, M4I2! :cool:

[Oh Jerusalem]

No guns, folks. Just pure terror, what they're best at. From CNN:

Blast at Tunisia synagogue kills 5
April 11, 2002 Posted: 12:44 PM EDT (1644 GMT)

TUNIS, Tunisia (CNN) -- Five people were killed on Thursday when a truck filled with natural gas blew up near a historic synagogue in Tunisia, a U.S. Embassy official in Tunis has confirmed.

Tunisian officials think it may have been an accident, but Israeli officials are saying they believe the incident was a terror attack.

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Michael Melchior said the blast near the historic El Ghriba synagogue on Djerba, an island off the south-eastern Tunisian coast, was a deliberate anti-Jewish attack, according to the Israeli daily newspaper Ha'aretz.

"The wave of recent anti-Semitic events reached its peak today with the cruel murder of tourists at the ancient synagogue of Djerba in Tunis," Melchior is quoted as saying.

A Foreign Ministry official also told CNN that the incident was a terror strike.

Police are investigating.

Fear that the explosion could be the result of an anti-Jewish attack, fueled by anger toward Israel, is "a question in everybody's mind," said Philip Breeden, press spokesperson for the U.S. Embassy.

Twenty people were reported to be wounded in the blast.

The driver was killed and those injured suffered burns of varying degrees of seriousness.

Four of those killed were German tourists, according to a Jewish official at the synagogue, Ha'aretz reported.

The World Jewish Congress says that although the present synagogue was built in 1929, it is believed there has been a continuously used synagogue on the site for the past 1,900 years. It is the oldest synagogue in North Africa.

The Jews of Djerba are joined by several thousand Jewish pilgrims from around the world in an annual festival to celebrate the minor spring Jewish holiday of Lag B'Omer, which comes later this month. Breeden said Djerba is a popular tourist destination.

Synagogues in Europe, notably in France, have been targeted by attackers, and many acts of violence against Jews and Jewish sites in Europe have been reported since the Palestinian intifada began in September 2000. In the most serious case, a synagogue in the southern French city of Marseille was recently burned to the ground.

In France Wednesday, there were reports of attacks on Jewish football players and a bus in Paris carrying students of a Jewish school.

[L@mplighterM]

A synagogue was fire bombed in Canada last week.

Here’s the link for the soccer team story;

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020411/ap_wo_en_ge/france_anti_semitism_27&printer=1

The synagogue that was blown up was reported as an attack this morning now it’s referred to as an accident on site. Who knows!

[cerulean]

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/04/11/News/News.46802.html

Although Tunisia's state news agency says the incident was an accident, it would appear Israel thinks differently.

Quote:

In Jerusalem, Deputy Foriegn Minister Michael Melchior said "The wave of recent (anti-Semitic) events reached its peak today with the cruel murder of tourists at the ancient synagogue of Djerba in Tunis."

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by cerulean
Although Tunisia's state news agency says the incident was an accident, it would appear Israel thinks differently.

It would appear that anyone with half a brain would think differently:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20020411/wl_nm/mideast_tunisia_explosion_dc_2

"Preliminary indications show that a truck equipped with a gas tank hit the pavement and outer fence of El Ghriba shrine," a Tunisian government source told Reuters.

The Tunisian news agency TAP, which spoke to passersby, reported the truck driver appeared to ignore a security officer's order to stop. The truck sped up and struck the pavement and a synagogue fence before exploding, TAP said.

[General X]

Tata M4I2, thx for your opinion but if you don't back it up, and if it sounds like nonsense, then the combination will effectively 'take you out' of the debate. If you're proven wrong too many times its best to resign. :)

[muslim4israel2]

Both Pakistani TV and the trustworthy news leader in fair and unbiased news Al Jazeera both reported guns were found. Hiding guns over seas now days?

:eek:

[L@mplighterM]

What happened to your neutrality Muslim4Islam??

Why would anyone believe anything they saw on a Paki station and one run by friends and associates of Bin Laden?

[muslim4israel2]

Where is the bias?

I dont have access to Jewish TV, or any sponsored TV. Al Jazeera is BIG in the European continent, and its English broadcast gets tons of viewers. They have a link with PTV.

Not my fault I have access to these. CNN never denied the gun bit.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Both Pakistani TV and the trustworthy news leader in fair and unbiased news Al Jazeera

Ha! Ha! Ha!
Ho! Ho! Ho!
And a couple of tra-la-las!


both reported guns were found. Hiding guns over seas now days?

Tunisia doesn't:

http://www.tunisieinfo.com/indexnews.html
http://www.tunisiaglobe.com/
http://allafrica.com/stories/200204110828.html

Who found them? The police? Security services? Army? Would have made great news but it's nowhere to be found coming out of Tunisian sources. And this bombing, then, would have been an act of revenge. Well, then, I find it most amusing that trustworthy PakiTV didn't manage to report this when the guns were previously found.

More Muslem dribble.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
CNN never denied the gun bit.

CNN also never denied that the synagogue's color motif was purple with pink polka dots. Maybe that's because it wasn't.

[L@mplighterM]

There never were any guns it's just BS.

[muslim4israel2]

I dont think Al Jazeera could have televised a lie.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
I dont think Al Jazeera should have televised a lie.

Neighter do I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[muslim4israel2]

Glad we agree on something. :p

[L@mplighterM]

My post
There never were any guns it's just BS.
Your post

I dont think Al Jazeera should have televised a lie.
You admit that they published a lie!

[muslim4israel2]

That was a typo Sherlock, and I justifiably corrected it. :rolleyes:

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
That was a typo Sherlock, and I justifiably corrected it. :rolleyes:

More like a Freudian slip.

[klc]

What utter nonsense.

What is the connection? If guns were found as was REPORTED on MUSLIM TV then that would be a justification for a terrorist attack, justified to the Muslim world that Jews everywhere are packing weapons just like the Brothers.

But it was an accident right? The truck "accidently" smashed into a Synagogue on an open road, exploding and killing Jews nearby. If it was an accident then why the need for any justification? To cover up the truth - the truth that Islam has waged 'Jihad' (that's war to everyone else) on Israel.

The Muslim world feels no sympathy when a Synagogue is attacked nor when a Jew is killed. By contrast, Jews want no war anywhere. The only thing preventing peace is Islamic occupation of Israel. Islam - one of the world's newest religions - is trying to steal the Holy Land from Israel.

What, do they think that by occupying Israel they'll all become Jewish?!

LOL

[muslim4israel2]

Why would we want to be Jewish?

For the majority of the last millenium, who was the worlds biggest economic, military and cultural force?

Which ppl ruled masses of Asia, Africa and Europe?

Who ruled all the ME?

Who created an empire lasting longer then any other?

No, Muslims have a proud history. We ruled with justice.

[Oh Jerusalem]

LOL! It's called conquest.

Wonder how many natives died when Islam spread through Africa, Europe, Asia and the Middle East?

Proud history?! Fundamentalist fanatics from day one.

Thanks for reminding us! History often repeats itself.

[muslim4israel2]

Listen buddy, the Muslim nations were widely welcomed to remove the agony of Christendom from its citizens.

Besides, show me history of a mighty Jewish empire?

From Vienna's gates, to the sides of Moscow we ruled, what have you achieved?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Listen buddy, the Muslim nations were widely welcomed to remove the agony of Christendom from its citizens.

Charmed:

"Tarik, going along with his companions, marched over a bridge of mountains to a town called Cartagena. He went in the direction of Cordova. Having passed by an island in the sea, he left behind his female slave of the name of Umm-Hakim, and with her a division of his troops. That island was then called Umm-Hakim. When the Moslems settled in the island, they found no other inhabitants there, than vinedressers. They made them prisoners. After that they took one of the vinedressers, slaughtered him, cut him in pieces, and boiled him, while the rest of his companions looked on. They had also boiled meat in other cauldrons. When the meat was cooked, they threw away the flesh of that man which they had boiled; no one knowing that it was thrown away: and they ate the meat which theh had boiled, while the rest of the vinedressers were spectators. These did not doubt but that the Moslems ate the flesh of their companion; the rest being afterwards sent away informed the people of Andalus that the Moslems feed on human flesh, acquainting them with what had been done to the vinedresser."

From Medieval Sourcebook: Ibn Abd-el-Hakem: The Islamic Conquest of Spain (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/conqspain.html)

Bon apetite!


Besides, show me history of a mighty Jewish empire?

It is not the goal of Israel to be a mighty empire. We introduced monotheism into the world, thousands of years before the paegans, idol worshippers and barbarians in Arabia had an Islam to convert to.


From Vienna's gates, to the sides of Moscow we ruled, what have you achieved?

We brought the name of one true G-d to the world as well as Judeo ethics.

You can have Vienna and Moscow.

[muslim4israel2]

So your glorious history amounts to zero. Oh we're so jealous. :rolleyes:

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
So your glorious history amounts to zero. Oh we're so jealous. :rolleyes:

No, you're just pig-headed. (Use of said animal intentional.) :cool:

[L@mplighterM]

But it was an accident right? The truck "accidently" smashed into a Synagogue on an open road, exploding and killing Jews nearby. If it was an accident then why the need for any justification? To cover up the truth - the truth that Islam has waged 'Jihad' (that's war to everyone else) on Israel.

Actually there?s so much contrary information regarding the incident depending on the source. One thing that seems to be reported consistently is the fact that the driver picked up speed when ordered to stop.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
[BOne thing that seems to be reported consistently is the fact that the driver picked up speed when ordered to stop. [/B]

Sounds more like typical driving this side of the world. :p

[L@mplighterM]

Sounds more like typical driving this side of the world.

LOL

Yes you?re right there. But I for one believe that there was intent, of course the driver is beyond being interrogated. When considering all the facts it seems highly unlikely that it was an accident.

[General X]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Listen buddy, the Muslim nations were widely welcomed to remove the agony of Christendom from its citizens.

Besides, show me history of a mighty Jewish empire?

From Vienna's gates, to the sides of Moscow we ruled, what have you achieved?

See, that's what Arabs care about. Ruling over land. Ruling over people. Corruption and power is their game. Conquest? Conquest? You are just proving us right. So you want to add Israel to your conquest list huh? Good job you just showed everyone what you really want, and it isn't peace. Citing that as an accomplishment... how about citing some scientific achievments, because I know Muslims did invent the Astrolabe and Caravel. Conquest shouldn't be something you are so proud of. Shows how pigheaded you are. Sure, the Greeks had an empire, but their greatest achievements were in their education and philosphy.
If Muslims have so much land, then why bug the hell out of Israel?
Just to kill, is why, and you KNOW that.
And that seems to be all your people (many of them) care about, getting land, having power over people, killing people thats why whats going on now in Israel is going on. Mr. Unracist, you've got problems. I know for a fact that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, but the vast majority is anti-semetic also. And Islam has more extremists than any other religion at any time in history, Proportionetly and in numbers. I don't care about how much land Israel has conquered. If a country conquers something, thats fine, but it's not one of their greatest achievments as you say. I dont want any muslims killed, I just want you extremists all to leave the world alone and stop trying to violently convert everyone to Islam. Thats whats going on, take it or leave it.

[muslim4israel2]

1) Am not an extremist.
2) Have converted no one, dont wish to either.
3) Muslims invented Algebra and open surgery-esp. on the eye.
4) Where is your glorious empire?

:rolleyes:

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
1) Am not an extremist.

You do a great immitation! :D


4) Where is your glorious empire?

It is not a goal of Judaism. We're on different wavelengths here.

[muslim4israel2]

So you have no experience in having the world tremble before your feet.

ooooh that global empire feels sooooo nice. :D

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
ooooh that global empire feels sooooo nice. :D

...to those who like an "empire" of ignorance, backwardness, hatred, celebration of death, intolerance, slavery, wife beating, theocratic-fascist states, dictators, cut throats, women dressed in sacks, men wearing ski masks, ...

And what has your empire created? Algebra? Really, it was mostly a repackaging of what was invented in India. How many hundreds of years are you going to bask in the glory of Algebra?

The Arab world, and Islamic world in general, have contributed a disproportionately small amount to science and knowledge given their large population.

What really irks you is that tiny Israel has contributed more to the advancement of science than the entire Islamic world combined.

Other than letting Westerners pump oil from the ground, what does Saudi Arabia produce? What does the great Egyptian economy produce on its own? The Iranians produce some nice rugs, it's true.

Maybe if the Arab/Islamic world spent less time and energy thinking about how to kill Jews and more time and energy thinking about how to invent something useful, how to produce something, and how to create instead of destroy, then you might have something to be proud of.

The best you can come up with is fantasies about Pakistan nuking Israel. Destroy, destroy, destroy.

Pathetic.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
3) Muslims invented Algebra and open surgery-esp. on the eye.


Which Algebra did Muslims invent? Was it Egyptian algebra, Babylonian algebra, Greek geometric algebra, Diophantine algebra, Hindu algebra, Arabic algebra, European algebra, or modern algebra.

Algebra was not invented, it was discovered.

[muslim4israel2]

Regardless of what you think our rule compromised of, we still ruled the globe greater and longer then your ppl.

Our addisions to the worlds arcitectural heritage is second to none. Blue Mosque, Taj Mohal, Fort of Anatolia...............

We'll rule again-its our divine right to be masters of this world.

[Oh Jerusalem]

And we thank you for stating it so clearly for everyone to see.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by JustPat


Which Algebra did Muslims invent? Was it Egyptian algebra, Babylonian algebra, Greek geometric algebra, Diophantine algebra, Hindu algebra, Arabic algebra, European algebra, or modern algebra.

Algebra was not invented, it was discovered.

You left out a few.

[Shuki]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Regardless of what you think our rule compromised of, we still ruled the globe greater and longer then your ppl.

Our addisions to the worlds arcitectural heritage is second to none. Blue Mosque, Taj Mohal, Fort of Anatolia...............

We'll rule again-its our divine right to be masters of this world.

It is all in the past, and judging by the tremendous third-world countries that make up the Muslim bloc, likely to stay there.

Incidentally, you might want to think about what a nice little Jewish boy named Einstein did with your discovery. You guys can keep the discovery and we'll take the credit for making something of it.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Didn't they invent felafel and shuwarma?

Gotta givem credit, yesireebob!

[JustPat]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Regardless of what you think our rule compromised of, we still ruled the globe greater and longer then your ppl.

Our addisions to the worlds arcitectural heritage is second to none. Blue Mosque, Taj Mohal, Fort of Anatolia...............

We'll rule again-its our divine right to be masters of this world.

Before there was even the dream of a Muslim World Order, G-D had already made a promise to that could not be revoked.

Originally posted by the Prophet Isaiah
6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty G-d, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of His government and peace
there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice
from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Unless your lineage comes from David, I fear you may feel very put upon. All shall bow before His throne in Zion!

Pray for the coming of the One who is the peace of Jerusalem!

Oh, and by the way, never was there a building as glorious as the Temple; never shall there be one as glorious as the Temple to come!

[cerulean]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=21945

Large Bomb Discovered in Omar Mosque
(IsraelNN.com) Soldiers operating in the Bethlehem area report having discovered a very large explosive device in the Omar Mosque. The explosive device was neutralized without incident.

This mosque is right behind the Church of the Nativity. How coincidental.

[Oh Jerusalem]

At the beginning of the week, we watched footage here of dozens of explosive charges, rigged electronically, throughout the St. Mary's Church/Monastery, that were abandoned there because the Palestinians didn't have enough time to finish setting them up before fleeing.

Israel told the Vatican representatives that we could detonate them but they would could extensive and permanent damage.

What? Not reported by the world media? I can't believe it! (Sarcasm intended).

[JustPat]

Part of the plan from the beginning? Set bombs, get the Israelis to detonate them so you can blame them for the destruction and set both Christians and World opinion against them? (No sarcasm intended.)

Yes, I do believe that the Palestians can be so insidious.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Well, it looked like they didn't manage to hook up all of the charges. Could very well have been a hasty retreat.

[Mediocrates]

What was that monastery in Italy bombed by the allies in WW2. the Vatican complained because it was a monastery, the archivists complained because stolen art and loot moved there by the Nazis was destoyed, the locals complained because it was a vinyard. But in the end it was the Wehrmacht guns firing from it that sealed its fate. It's not nice to shoot people when you're hiding behind someone's cassock. And the people firing back might not respect that 'sanctuary'. Sucks to be you sometimes.

[cerulean]

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/04/23/LatestNews/LatestNews.47562.html

Three monks being held captive escaped to the roof, held up signs saying "Save Us" (not sure in what language), and were rescued by the IDF. They had been beaten by the gunmen, and the gunmen had desecrated crosses and stolen gold artifacts holy to them.

I haven't seen this widely disseminated, which is unfortunate, since it is an important story.

I'm not sure how many clerics and others remain inside.

[JustPat]

And you know that the UN Fact Finders will find that it was Israel's fault. Perhaps we can arrange a trade, Kofi Annan for the clerics.