Shooting at Pal Red Crescent ambulances

[Oh Jerusalem]

Not what you're expecting (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=21457). :eek:

[Oh Jerusalem]

Ha'aretz is now reporting they've found another PRC ambulance at Maccabim Junction, with a hidden explosive belt inside.

[muslim4israel2]

Thats sad man. I mean why bother to fabricate a scene, when there is legitimate acts of violence which can make the news. :(

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Thats sad man. I mean why bother to fabricate a scene, when there is legitimate acts of violence which can make the news. :(

You're absolutely right! Take this act of violence from a few weeks ago, for example:

http://cool.berber.co.il/MIC/ambu_win.wmv

BTW, it turns out the ambulance last night was checked and it proved to be a false alarm. SOURCE: unreliable Israeli TV, radio and newspapers. I wouldn't trust them though, muslim4israel2, if I were you. They must be lying and the ambulance really did contain explosives. After all CNN didn't say otherwise.

(Pardon me, the rest of you folks, for using muslim4israel2's own warped logic and conivence as a method of sarcsasm and synicism).

[muslim4israel2]

Dont hate.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Dont hate.

I have met many Muslims on the Internet who say they are "not against Israel" or (more often) "for the Jewish people," but it usually turns out they are just posing.

Please provide some evidence that you are truly "for Israel."

By that I mean tell us that you support the right of the Jewish people to live in the Jewish state of Israel. Tell us that you recognize that certain Arab countries and Arab/Islamic terrorist groups have opposed, and continue to oppose, Israel's right to exist, and that Israel has the right to use military force to defend herself from their incessant brutal attacks.

Tell us, oh friend of Israel, that you recognize that the "humiliation" of checkpoints is a joke compared to the slaughter of Israeli children and elderly perpetrated by Arabs pretending to be Palestinian nationalists.

Tell us, in fact, what we all know to be true: there never was an Arab country called "Palestine," and the struggle to establish such a country is nothing more than a slick cover for the battle to destroy Israel that the Arabs and other Islamic allies have waged since 1948 and even before.

Tell us, so there is no doubt, whose side you are on. Remember, there is a war going on right now between the nation of Israel and the terrorist entity known as the Palestinian Authority (led by the world's senior terrorist, Arafat). I for one cannot accept the claims of anyone who says they are for both sides... you are either with us or against us.

[muslim4israel2]

Tell me why....................

U probbaly like the BSB! :D

I am for Israeli existance, and for Palestinian existance. cant you guys just get on? :rolleyes:

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Tell me why....................

U probbaly like the BSB! :D

I am for Israeli existance, and for Palestinian existance. cant you guys just get on? :rolleyes:

Israel offered the Palestinians a state. If they didn't like the details, they should have made a counter offer.

Instead, they started a war -- a war against Israeli civilians. They encourage, support, glorify, and celebrate murderous attacks against Israeli toddlers, teenagers, and elderly.

If you are really for Israel's right to exist, then you are morally obligated to condemn the PA's war against the Jewish people.

Not that I am holding my breathe...

[muslim4israel2]

I've written my support for the right of Israel to exist so many times, I've lost count.

Check my posts.

Littered with pro-everyone lines, and peace hopefulness.

[mrbaggins]

No what you 'try' and practice is moral equivilency. There IS NO MORAL EQUIVILENCY between the PA and the IDF. The PA are an evil terrorist regime.

[Anti-Intifada]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
I've written my support for the right of Israel to exist so many times, I've lost count.
wow... israel's right to exist! that's so very generous of you, mr. muslim.

i wanted also to express that i agree to let you exist.

i also agree to let muslims exist.

i also agree to let arabs exist.

incredibly generous and charitable gesture. ;)

[muslim4israel2]

I was asked in refernce to that issue, and I thus answered in sole refernce to that issue. :rolleyes:

[takeo]

I am for the right of Israel to exist and I'm ALSO for the rights of the Palestinians to exist, denying that there is a Palestinian people is as denying that there is a Jewish people, it's revisionism and politically motivated ignorance.
Anyone denying the right of the palestinians to exist and denying that the Westbank and gaza and eastern jerusalem don't belong to Israel is not a friend of the Palestinians is co-responsible for the ongoing war. A real friend of israel would recognise to right of israel to exist within its current borders shouldn't support the unfortunate decisions since 1967 that have dragged Israel into war and violence.

[takeo]

Anyone who thinks the Jewish people has more rights than the Palestinian people is a fascist

[humus_sapiens]

The Arab terrorists' use of ambulances as a platform for attack or for transporting explosives doesn't even make the news anymore.
-hs

Terrorist shoots from ambulance in Jenin

IDF Radio reported this afternoon that an Israeli Border Policeman was lightly wounded by a Palestinian terrorist who opened fire at a patrol of Border Police in Jenin. The terrorist openned fire from within an ambulance as it passed near the patrol and then drove away.

http://glz.msn.co.il/glz/news/7B60AAB26F38456C8D114005FEF1235B.htm

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by takeo
Anyone who thinks the Jewish people has more rights than the Palestinian people is a fascist

Anybody who thinks that an evil hoax called "Palestinian people" deserves as meny rights as we Jews are, Is an idiot.

We, Children of Israel, are a real, living nation, one of the world most ancient civilizations. The "Palestinians" are hardly wannabes.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by takeo
I am for the right of Israel to exist and I'm ALSO for the rights of the Palestinians to exist,
Recent history proved it to be impossible, at least in the Arab current evolutionary state.


denying that there is a Palestinian people is as denying that there is a Jewish people, it's revisionism and politically motivated ignorance. The jewish people exist, and will exist thousands of years after the names of most other nations you know now, will long be forgotten. Arabs included.

Thinking the a "Palestinian people" exist, IS the revisionism. Not vice versa. The "Palestinian" state is transe jorden. The part of madatory palestine given to the Arabs as their "Palestinian" nation state, for their own self rule.


Anyone denying the right of the palestinians to exist I don't deny the right of the "Palestinians" to exist. I simply don't think that they have to exist on MY expance, and more importantly, up-on my blood.

Only last year, and Arab had blown himself and 29 other Jews, most of them elderly Holocaust survivors. Why their slaughter was necessary? Why don't you takeo recognize its a hate crime? Why can't you recognize the Arabs are racist haters? Why do YOU support their motives?



and denying that the Westbank and gaza and eastern jerusalem don't belong to Israel is not a friend of the Palestinians is co-responsible for the ongoing war. A real friend of israel would recognise to right of israel to exist within its current borders shouldn't support the unfortunate decisions since 1967 that have dragged Israel into war and violence.

Israel's moral right to exist is based upon the cultural, religious and historical link of the Jewish people to the land of Israel. Places like east-Jerusalem, Hebron, Shchem, Shiloh, Beit-El are of key importance to jewish civilization: historicly, religiously, calturaly. Not recognizing the rights of the people of Israel, to these places in the so-called WB, is, infact not recognizing in Israel moral right to exist.

You may post from now till forever, for all eternity that you support Israel right to exist. No one can believe you sincerity, as long as you ALSO claim non-Jewish people SOLE right for East Jerusalm, and similar places.

[andak01]

I'll tell you how much I support the state of Israel. I would be the first to support a regiem change war with Palestine followed by an American occupation and liberation. 51st state of Palestine? Is that too close for comfort? Are you willing to put up with a little collateral damage? No more suicide bombers and no more excuse to loan Israel billions every year. You can pay us back what you owe.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by andak01
I'll tell you how much I support the state of Israel. I would be the first to support a regiem change war with Palestine followed by an American occupation and liberation. 51st state of Palestine? Is that too close for comfort? Are you willing to put up with a little collateral damage? No more suicide bombers and no more excuse to loan Israel billions every year. You can pay us back what you owe.

Bring them on!!!

No one can occupay Israel from us Jews, without paying a heavy price of blood. What do you think us Jews to be, honorless cowards like the Arab? frightful mice like the Iraqies?

For a moment there, I thought the French are the world best surrenderers. The Iraqies proved me wrong...

Thanks G-d all mighty, I'm a Jew!!!
[deleted by moderator]

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by andak01
I'll tell you how much I support the state of Israel. I would be the first to support a regiem change war with Palestine followed by an American occupation and liberation. 51st state of Palestine? Is that too close for comfort? Are you willing to put up with a little collateral damage? No more suicide bombers and no more excuse to loan Israel billions every year. You can pay us back what you owe.

Awhh, what a poor guy. And bitter too. How awful.

I mean, I guess I understand. You were promissed so much, then you converted, and now you see what you're stuck with, it truely is a bummer.

But just llike the kid who's picked last to the losing team, you'll always have a chance to make your team better in the future.

You know, you said you have your daughters future to give for peace, but all I see out of you is hatred. Very sad.

[andak01]

Great disappointment that the American government has swept away the moral high ground bestowed upon us by the tragedy of 9/11. The world bowed its head in sorrow and solidarity that day. Today, we have to hold our conferences in the Azores. Nobody remembers pictures of Egyptians and Lebanese lighting candles and holding interfaith meetings. I went to a couple of those myself here.

No I don't regret my conversion. I don't feel like I'm on a losing team. On the day of Judgement, we don't get judged as a team. It would be both silly and immoral to think of converting to a religion as any parallel to joining a team.

[MGB8]

Andak,

are you saying you would be for a US Controled/monitored WB-Gaza Palestinian State?

Because if so, get others to come on board, because if the US is responsible for stopping the terrorist activities in the WB and Gaza (as opposed to the terrorists themselves, or the useless UN or arabist EU) .... Israel would JUMP ON that deal.

The bottom line, which people simply don't seem willing to understand, is that BOTH Jews and Arabs have legitimate claims to the WB and Gaza. However, the major issue is not about the claims...but about the SECURITY of Israel proper (which also has Arab Claims against it...but Jews have claims against much lands in Arab countries, etc., and thus it evens out, and, more importantly, the existence of Israel is fact, and justified by Jewish Claims, which are stronger than Arab claims).

If the Arabs and Islamists truly abandon the aim of destroying Israel and then conquering the world...then, and only then, will there be real peace.

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by andak01
Great disappointment that the American government has swept away the moral high ground bestowed upon us by the tragedy of 9/11. The world bowed its head in sorrow and solidarity that day. Today, we have to hold our conferences in the Azores. Nobody remembers pictures of Egyptians and Lebanese lighting candles and holding interfaith meetings. I went to a couple of those myself here.

That means only that they were insincere. Egypt, Syria-occupied Lebanon and other French-influenced Islamic totalitarian dictatorships are dubious moral reference point. I'm not questioning your sincerity here, Andak. You see the world through pink glasses of new convert.

BTW, American Muslims did a great job using 9/11 as an opportunity for procelitizing (posed as educating the public).

[andak01]

The American Indians are never going to get their legitimate claims to the United States. But they aren't doing constant battle with us. They have received concessions. The South African blacks are in a similar position. The world doesn't need another Zimbabwe, where all the settlers are forced off with as much vigor and violence as they showed in the first place. And that's why I support the continued state of Israel, the end of suicide bombings and the end of bulldozings and assassinations.


Originally posted by MGB8
The bottom line, which people simply don't seem willing to understand, is that BOTH Jews and Arabs have legitimate claims to the WB and Gaza. However, the major issue is not about the claims...but about the SECURITY of Israel proper (which also has Arab Claims against it...but Jews have claims against much lands in Arab countries, etc., and thus it evens out, and, more importantly, the existence of Israel is fact, and justified by Jewish Claims, which are stronger than Arab claims).

If the Arabs and Islamists truly abandon the aim of destroying Israel and then conquering the world...then, and only then, will there be real peace. [/B]

[andak01]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
BTW, American Muslims did a great job using 9/11 as an opportunity for procelitizing (posed as educating the public).

I feel certain that my Christian brothers will take advantage of the devastation of Iraq and Afghanistan for the same purpose. We didn't have the advantage of hunger on our side.

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by andak01
I feel certain that my Christian brothers will take advantage of the devastation of Iraq and Afghanistan for the same purpose. We didn't have the advantage of hunger on our side.

Both smell bad, as well as using it as an excuse. Wrong answer, Andak.

[Mediocrates]

I don't know whether it's rhetoric or despair to say that a nation of 26 million people, 97% of whom are muslim are culturally imperiled by a few missionaries coming to help them out. I'm sure that if the Wahabbists give a damn they could inculcate their radical schools into Iraq.

[andak01]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
Both smell bad, as well as using it as an excuse. Wrong answer, Andak.

I call 'em as I see 'em. Fact is, there were Muslim victims as well as Muslim rescue workers. Innocent Muslims were attacked and killed in different parts of the world. Nobody cried when several million innocent Afghanis spent their winter as refugees in the mountains of Afghanistan. I cried for both kinds of victims. I lost people I knew in WTC. I worked in that building myself at one time.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by andak01
I feel certain that my Christian brothers will take advantage of the devastation of Iraq and Afghanistan for the same purpose. We didn't have the advantage of hunger on our side.


If anything you will see Iraq become a theocracy and merge with Iran.

I guess Dennis Leary will be proved right:

"Let's put Iraq and Iran together in one big country called Irate."

[andak01]

That was kind of my prediction, that the natural boundary for Iran would have included Iraq. I'm not Shiite myself, but a government representative of the Iraqi people would likely contain many Shias. It's an interesting form of democracy that can't get itself freely elected.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Now even the UNRWA is grumbling:

UNRWA: Palestinian gunmen hijacked ambulance (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1084423116425&p=1078397702269)
By JPOST.COM STAFF

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in the Palestinian territories has issued a call to all parties in the conflict to respect the integrity of its ambulance service after an incident on Tuesday in which armed Palestinian combatants threatened the lives of an UNRWA ambulance team (a driver and a paramedic) and forced them to transport an injured gunman and two of his armed colleagues to a hospital in Gaza City.

Palestinian gunmen battled IDF troops in Gaza City's Zeitun neighborhood since Tuesday when six Israeli soldiers were killed when their APC was destroyed by a mine.

UNRWA has also called for all sides to respect the neutrality and impartiality of its staff.

"UNRWA condemns this action in the strongest possible terms at no time and under no circumstances should armed men enter any UNRWA vehicle," a statement from the organization said.

In the past three-and-a-half years the army has witnessed a growing trend in the cynical use of Palestinian medical crews and ambulances by terrorist organizations who operate within populated civilian areas, use ambulances to transport weapons and fugitives and seek refuge in hospitals in an attempt to evade inspection by IDF troops.

[peacelover]

This is quite a resurrection OJ! :)

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by peacelover
This is quite a resurrection OJ! :)
A passion of mine! :D

[peacelover]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
A passion of mine! :D

Stop it you!

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by peacelover
Stop it you!
Turning the other cheek at this very moment! :cool:

Please don't be cross with me. :rolleyes:

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Now even the UNRWA is grumbling:

UNRWA: Palestinian gunmen hijacked ambulance (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1084423116425&p=1078397702269)
By JPOST.COM STAFF

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in the Palestinian territories has issued a call to all parties in the conflict to respect the integrity of its ambulance service after an incident on Tuesday in which armed Palestinian combatants threatened the lives of an UNRWA ambulance team (a driver and a paramedic) and forced them to transport an injured gunman and two of his armed colleagues to a hospital in Gaza City.

Palestinian gunmen battled IDF troops in Gaza City's Zeitun neighborhood since Tuesday when six Israeli soldiers were killed when their APC was destroyed by a mine.

UNRWA has also called for all sides to respect the neutrality and impartiality of its staff.

"UNRWA condemns this action in the strongest possible terms at no time and under no circumstances should armed men enter any UNRWA vehicle," a statement from the organization said.

In the past three-and-a-half years the army has witnessed a growing trend in the cynical use of Palestinian medical crews and ambulances by terrorist organizations who operate within populated civilian areas, use ambulances to transport weapons and fugitives and seek refuge in hospitals in an attempt to evade inspection by IDF troops.
Follow-up:

Mofaz: UN Ambulances were used to steal Body Parts from Attack Site (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=62435)
13:19 May 14, '04 / 23 Iyar 5764

(IsraelNN.com) Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz today announced United Nations UNWRA ambulances were used to steal body parts of soldiers killed in the Wednesday evening terrorist bomb attack on the Philadelphi route in southern Gaza. The senior minister called on UN Secretary-General Kofi Anan to address the urgent issue.

In the October 2000 abduction of three soldiers from the northern border, Hizbullah also used UN vehicles to kidnap the soldiers who were all killed.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Bad habits are hard to break:

More on Arrests of Tanzim Terrorists in Bethlehem (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=64414)
01:30 Jun 22, '04 / 3 Tammuz 5764

(IsraelNN.com) An IDF force earlier tonight apprehended three Fatah Tanzim terrorists at a random road inspection in the Bethlehem area. The three, including Bethlehem Tanzim commander Imad Faraj were traveling in an ambulance.

Fajar is classified by security officials as a “ticking time bomb” and has been involved in a number of fatal terror attacks.

Authorities report that Faraj was being transported for medical treatment, accompanied by two aides. He was taken to a hospital and from there; he will be handed over to security agents.

IDF officials point out that only recently the B`Tselem human rights organization condemned IDF inspections of Red Crescent ambulances operating in the PA, adding once again, we see a prime example of the ongoing abuse of all international standards by the PA and terrorists based in PA areas.