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Isiah 2:4

01-15-2004, 03:45 AM

Can immigrants to Israel become part of the Knesset or do MK's have to be Sabras? If so, is it possible to become the leader of, or enter the higher eschelons of, a political party in Israel?

What i'm really asking is, if i make aliyah to Israel, could i be President in 20 years? :cool: :D :p

Oh Jerusalem

01-15-2004, 04:20 AM

Gilgamesh

01-15-2004, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Isiah 2:4
Can immigrants to Israel become part of the Knesset or do MK's have to be Sabras? If so, is it possible to become the leader of, or enter the higher eschelons of, a political party in Israel?

What i'm really asking is, if i make aliyah to Israel, could i be President in 20 years? :cool: :D :p

Most MK's and ministers throughout Israeli History were not born in Israel.

Ben Gurion, Israel first PM was born in region of modern Russia, Haim Wiessman, Israel first president and a great Zionist leader, the one who accuired the Balfur declaration as a personal favor of Loyed George to him, was born and acted most of the time in the UK.

Natan Sheransky is a MK and now minister since few years since his arrivle to Israel from soviet gulag where he was tortured for his simple request to leave the socialist heaven in favour of Israel. (Odd, 24 years ago, it were the conservatives headed by Regan, who supported human rights vs. the evil lefties... Now the lefties believe they can teach the rest of us all about human rights, even in the price of our own human rights of survival... ).

Two Teheran born Jews: Israel's President, Moshe Katzav (top ceremonial position), and Shaul Moffaz, former chief of staff, and now the minister of security. Both fluent in Pharsi, (and both delayed at american airports... Togather with our Diva: Rita ).

KSO

04-01-2004, 12:00 PM

Ahava

04-01-2004, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by KSO
A brit prime minister? yes !please return the MANDAT! God save the queen!

WTF?

Oh Jerusalem

04-02-2004, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Ahava
WTF?
Bite your tongue, child! :mad:

Anyway, what do you expect from a fan of Azmi Bashara?

Mira~

04-02-2004, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Bite your tongue, child! :mad:

WTF?

How likely is it to become a very influential politico with no army experience now?

KSO

04-02-2004, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by Mira
WTF?

How likely is it to become a very influential politico with no army experience now?

Peres didn't have any army experience and he was prime minister.

Mira~

04-02-2004, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by KSO
Peres didn't have any army experience and he was prime minister. Ok, but honestly, does anyone think that has jeopardized his political career?

KSO

04-02-2004, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by Mira
Ok, but honestly, does anyone think that has jeopardized his political career?

Well I remember in the 96 elections I got a flyer from Netanyahu supporters and the flyer compared the two, and they wrote that while Netanyahu is a war hero, brother of a war hero and so on... Peres never served in the army.

Dont know if this flyer had any influence but I guess that the lack of military experience gave Peres his "softy" image, and that's true to politicians from the left and the right, from Dan Meridor to Yossi Beilin, if you didn't had a remarkble military carrer your chances in Israeli politics are much lower than your rival Degeneral.

Mediocrates

04-02-2004, 08:14 AM

Golda Meir, Ben-Gurion for example were not 'military men'. Bibi's career is really more of a career diplomat than a military man. And correct me if I'm wrong but a signficant number of left leaning politicos in Israel are or were senior military staffers too. It's really not about your obesssion with attempting to compare Israel with say, Argentine Juntas of the 1980's. It really is about politics.

Mediocrates

04-02-2004, 08:16 AM

I'd be amazed if you suddenly didn't accept Arafat as your new Jesus just because he's a 'military man' too.

KSO

04-02-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Mediocrates
I'd be amazed if you suddenly didn't accept Arafat as your new Jesus just because he's a 'military man' too.

He is not a military man, just like our old friends Begin and Shamir he is a Terrorist\Freedom fighter or how you'd like to see him,
anyway Arafat couldnt have a chance to progress in a real military, they don't like homosexuals there, and your friend and mine is one, not there's anything wrong with it.

KSO

04-02-2004, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Golda Meir, Ben-Gurion for example were not 'military men'. Bibi's career is really more of a career diplomat than a military man. And correct me if I'm wrong but a signficant number of left leaning politicos in Israel are or were senior military staffers too. It's really not about your obesssion with attempting to compare Israel with say, Argentine Juntas of the 1980's. It really is about politics.

Yes just like in any place, Military carrer brings some prestige and many votes, but in Israel it's not much about oportunism, Israel politics works like the draft in american sports, any retired degeneral is approached by all parties, and picks the one that promises him the best place, Barak could join the likud just the same he joined the avoda, but the Likud didnt had any available places, and the avoda had an aging leader (Peres), Itzhak Mordechai joined the Likud in 1996 because he was promised to get the Security Portfolio, Lipkin Shahak had less choise because he was portraid as a Leftwinger so he could join to the good soldier ehud or go by his own, he choose the second and paid the price for it, Mofaz didnt had a choise the Sharon called him and he was portraid as a rightwinger, The current Commander in chief tries to play for both sides to keep options open, and so on... The sad part is that the public actualy buys it, but maybe the success of Shinui and Jean marie la-pid shows that our nation affair with degenerals is decreasing.

Mediocrates

04-02-2004, 10:25 AM

Maybe its a matter of place and time and not the dark plot you imagine it to be. After all weren't most of the so called founding fathers of the Great Satan military men?

Mediocrates

04-02-2004, 10:26 AM

But I sense your horror is more about Israeli society in general and not the leaders. I doubt even you would propose you are living under a Junta.

KSO

04-02-2004, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Maybe its a matter of place and time and not the dark plot you imagine it to be. After all weren't most of the so called founding fathers of the Great Satan military men?

Well most of the founders of the little satan werent military man, but politicians, the age of degenarals in Israel came only with the second generation of Israeli politics

KSO

04-02-2004, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Mediocrates
But I sense your horror is more about Israeli society in general and not the leaders. I doubt even you would propose you are living under a Junta.

Not yet... Why even me, do you think of me as the communist antisemite baby killer?
I'm almost flattered :D

Mediocrates

04-02-2004, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by KSO
Not yet... Why even me, do you think of me as the communist antisemite baby killer?

Yeah I do, kind of. Either that or a childish poser drunk on their own hollow slogans. If that flatters you then all it proves is you'd rather be hated than ignored.

Mediocrates

04-02-2004, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by KSO
Well most of the founders of the little satan werent military man

Um yeah they were but I garner American history is not your strong suit.

Oh wait I forgot - everyone except Israel is really a righteous freedom movement. Viv La Cuba Libre.

KSO

04-02-2004, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Yeah I do, kind of. Either that or a childish poser drunk on their own hollow slogans. If that flatters you then all it proves is you'd rather be hated than ignored.

I don't drink at all, and in russia that is considered worse than baby killing... :D

KSO

04-02-2004, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Um yeah they were but I garner American history is not your strong suit.

Oh wait I forgot - everyone except Israel is really a righteous freedom movement. Viv La Cuba Libre.

Nothing bad about Cuba... If only they could copyright Che Geuara they could be a very rich country, and the teenagers who buy his t-shirts could be proud of giving money to Fidel and friends.