Victim of Israelis!

[ArabianKnight]

You will never ever live in peace with us!!


http://alsaher.com/boycott/images/iman3.jpg

Wait until USA takes off its aid from you and then lets see who will win the war!

few individual Hamas members are showing you HELL, but lets see when the other Muslim Mojahdeen cross your borders and let you swim all the way to Europe!

[Oh Jerusalem]

Let's play with dead baby pictures, shall we:

WARNING: Graphic violent contents:

Shalhevet Pass (http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/shalhevet.htm)

Is this as far as your intellectualism goes?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by ArabianKnight
Wait until USA takes off its aid from you and then lets see who will win the war!

few individual Hamas members are showing you HELL, but lets see when the other Muslim Mojahdeen cross your borders and let you swim all the way to Europe!

Eileh barechev ve'eileh ba'susim,
Va'anachnu be'shem Hashem nazkir.

Heima kar'u venafalu,
Va'anachnu kamnu vanit'odad.

Hashem hoshiah,
Hamelech Ya'anenu beyom koreinu.

- Psalms 20, Verses 8-10.

[muslim4israel2]

Sad pics. :(

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by ArabianKnight
few individual Hamas members are showing you HELL, but lets see when the other Muslim Mojahdeen cross your borders and let you swim all the way to Europe!
I guess that since you live in one of the miserable little Gulf states you must be familiar with hiding behind by American troops.

The American taxpayers are not only sending you their money, but are also sending you their sons and daughters to risk their lives to protect you from whom?? From your own Arab and Islamic brothers sitting in Iraq and in Iran, just waiting to slaughter your entire tribe and take over your oil (which is the only thing keeping your country from being a dry little sand dune in middle of nowhere).

The next time your fellow Arabs do to you like Saddam did to your neighbor, Kuwait, please feel free to use your own mighty military to save yourselves. Don't come begging to us here in the US for help. Let's see what a brave "Arabian Knight" you are at that time.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by ArabianKnight
You will never ever live in peace with us!!


few individual Hamas members are showing you HELL, but lets see when the other Muslim Mojahdeen cross your borders and let you swim all the way to Europe!

Are you going to lead the charge on your camel? Personally I don’t think the average Arab could fight their way out of a paper bag.

[Moon]

You will never ever live in peace with us!! Have we ever lived in peace?

[Soul]

L@mplighterM, seems like you're THE MAN.

Look who's the Coward (http://www.emanhejo.com/listen/child.rm)


YA YA you're the men.

[ArabianKnight]

To Oh Jerusalem:
I guess my pic will go further...at least...she is SHOT by a coward Israeli armed soldier who enjoys aiming at infants: http://alsaher.com/boycott/images/iman2.jpg

To NewsGuy:
If you dont know politics, then dont talk about it Mr. Mature!
American Tax Payers are paying for you baby!!
They pay for your weapons to kill kids and plant you in the middle of a strange body...American are so naive, but they have started to realize that, and soon, you will al be left alone. Nothing stays the same...Iran was one of the best friends for the US, look at it now, Iraq too and so many other nations. American is also kissing our asses and sending its sons to protect its interest Mr. naive, and not for the sake of helping!
And as far as Saddam....well, brothers do fight sometimes, its nota a big issue! *lol*

To L@mplighterM:
Well, those camel riders have swept Asia, Africa and Europe and spread islam like no other! They have made history and created over 2 billion muslims around the world!....Your cars and airplanes wont do half of what they have done.
Go and educate yourself by watching a documentary video done totally by non muslims called "Islam, Impire of Faith". Watch and educate yourself ya habeeby what those camel riders have done to history and what they have contributed to science.
You can order it from http://amazon.com
I hate to talk to ignorant people, its just a waist of my precious time.
Shalom!

[L@mplighterM]

To L@mplighterM:
Well, those camel riders have swept Asia, Africa and Europe and spread islam like no other! They have made history and created over 2 billion muslims around the world!....Your cars and airplanes wont do half of what they have done.
Go and educate yourself by watching a documentary video done totally by non muslims called "Islam, Impire of Faith". Watch and educate yourself ya habeeby what those camel riders have done to history and what they have contributed to science.
You can order it from http://amazon.com
I hate to talk to ignorant people, its just a waist of my precious time.
Shalom!

Are you trying to tell me that Arabs invented the Camel? What utter nonsense. As far as other scientific achievement goes you come up zero they were brought to a halt by religious fanatics.

Salaam!

[muslim4israel2]

Why'd the IDF target children?

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Why'd the IDF target children?
Sounds like the usual Arab apologist strategy to try to repeat the same tired old lies like "Israel targets children, Jews bake Matzos with blood," etc., and hope that someone out there will actually be stupid enough to believe it.

Come to think of it, maybe if you keep on saying that Israel targets Palestinian-owned sheep and camels, then there will be someone out there who will actually believe it. Who knows...

But even you know very well that if Israel actually targeted Palestinian civilians, then the entire Palestinian/Israeli dispute would be over in 3 days forever, because there would be no more Palestinians left. That's an undeniable fact.

I am glad, though, that Israel has not targeted Palestinian civilians who are not involved directly in terrorism, because Israel is much superior morally to the Arabs and other extremist Muslims who are attempting to conduct a Jihad-genocide against the entire world.

[Soul]

If you just check the movies i Provided in the General Forums , under the Thread (Israel Exposed), I don't think you can deny those obvious facts as well.


How about Sabra and Shatila ? Civillians were not targeted by your allies , which Sharon is suspected to support and undertaken?.

You try to justify it , I reckon no Israeli in the forum ever said Israeli can be ever mistaken. It must be God whos running Israel, that's why it's perfect in your blind eyes. How about Huda hwajja, what was her mistake ? and why don't you allow ambulances to take out Cvillians like Huda out of Jinin ? you guys must be hiding something over there.Oh ya , that's why journalists are not allowed as well.

[muslim4israel2]

Morally upright Israel bans free press for its own good. We just dont get it, imagine France banning free press?

Or UK?

Or even Pakistan?!

:eek:

[L@mplighterM]

You don't even know what you are talking about.

The press has been banned on many occasions all around the world.

[muslim4israel2]

Yes yes. :rolleyes:

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Soul
1. If you just check the movies i Provided in the General Forums , under the Thread (Israel Exposed), I don't think you can deny those obvious facts as well.


2. How about Sabra and Shatila ? Civillians were not targeted by your allies , which Sharon is suspected to support and undertaken?.

3. You try to justify it , I reckon no Israeli in the forum ever said Israeli can be ever mistaken.



ok, let's take your mistaken points one-by-one:

1. I understand that it is your opinion. I disagree. So far as I can see, the "movies" you published show the Palestinian boy held by his father, and being shot by a Palestinian gunman, who as usual try to start gun-battles wherever Palestian civlilians are gathered, hoping that someone will get hurt to be used as cheap Arab propaganda.

But, for someone, Mr. Soul, who supposedly cares about children being hurt in the Arab/Israeli war, I haven't heard you say anything yet about how sorry you are and how shocked you are by the concept of Palestinians mass murdering Israeli children DELIBERATELY.

I see you're a man who likes using visual aids. Would you like some links to look at the faces of the Israeli children blown to pieces by your Palestinian role models, so you can better understand the true meaning of crimes against humanity?

2. Right, how about Sabra and Shatila as a perfect example of Arab vs. Arab massacres, to show that slaughter is a national problem of the Arabs. Are you really trying to pin the blame for Arabs slaughtering one another on Sharon?

Since you're so enraged by the Sabra and Shatila Arab vs. Arab violence, I am again curious to know if you have been posting your complaints in a Lebanese forum to reach those Arabs who actually perpetrated the massacres with their own hands? Come one, Mr. Soul, please tell me and all the others here if you have ever bothered to do so in your holier-then-thou quest for truth and justice.

3. No, I don't think anyone here thinks that Israel is perfect in every single way. There certainly have been policy mistakes throughout Israel's history, as well as human error in some of its military campaigns, like all armies have.

Unlike our Arab enemies and their hypocritical apologists, we have the ability to openly face our faults and work to solve them. Israel is an open society and does not live in self-denial like the Arabs do. That's why there is a multitude of Israeli political parties and a multitude of publicly expressed opinions in the Israeli press and in Israeli society.

* * *

Now, I have also seen the big question which seems to be causing Israel's critics to lose sleep, which is why, oh why won't Israel allow hords of press people to crawl around the Israeli military operation.

First of all, the IDF has, in fact, allowed the press to join them on certain missions, including American and European press agencies.

But, in simple terms, they are, for the most part not allowing it because that would be stupid. Just like the US does not allow the press to accompany the CIA operatives everywhere on every mission in Afghanistan.

Unlike what some naiive children might imagine, a war is not like a video game. IN a war, there is live weaponry that is being used, including missiles, machine gun fire, booby traps, land mines, and snipers who are operating day and night.

If Israel would have hords of press people and their assistants, and their assistans' assistants running around in middle of the shooting, it is almost certain that there would be heavy casualties from the press. And while this would suit the Arabs and their apologists very well as a PR victory, it would be a big mistake from a logical point of view.

But more than that, I think that some people simply do not graspo the meaning of "closed military zone" in a free, democratic country. To better study this phenomena, please try to enter a military base in the US or Europe and see what that guard has to say.

[Soul]

The press has been banned on many occasions all around the world.


Examples? Maybe in Yoguslavia ?


1. I understand that it is your opinion. I disagree. So far as I can see, the "movies" you published show the Palestinian boy held by his father, and being shot by a Palestinian gunman, who as usual try to start gun-battles wherever Palestian civlilians are gathered, hoping that someone will get hurt to be used as cheap Arab propaganda

You didn't comment on the CBC or BBC movies, just comments on Mohammed a durra ? skipped the other two ? commentless ? oh ya , you surely couldn't say Israel was murdereous in the 1st two movies, I will say it if your lips can't.

Regarding Mohammed a durra, you ignored all the news from round the world that Israeli soldiers were the killers, and followed one crap zionist source , which is from germany or wherever.


how shocked you are by the concept of Palestinians mass murdering Israeli children DELIBERATELY

Mass murdering Israeli children ? Examples please. Now don't play symantecs. I need proper examples. However i condemn any murders against any children.


I see you're a man who likes using visual aids. Would you like some links to look at the faces of the Israeli children blown to pieces by your Palestinian role models, so you can better understand the true meaning of crimes against humanity?

Good point , so you're comparing yourself to those who caused murder to your children , if those are terorrists , then as you're doing exactly the same things,you're terrorists.WHo killed eman hejo is a terrorist , don't say it isn't.


Since you're so enraged by the Sabra and Shatila Arab vs. Arab violence, I am again curious to know if you have been posting your complaints in a Lebanese forum to reach those Arabs who actually perpetrated the massacres with their own hands? Come one, Mr. Soul, please tell me and all the others here if you have ever bothered to do so in your holier-then-thou quest for truth and justice


I said Sabra and Shatila muders were your allies, under the control of Sharon.Or you deny that your Allies did this ? you better check the facts then.Don't forget that Sharon is suspected for that case, and currently a court in Belgium is studying the case.Not to forget that Israel killed the lebanese guy who was in charge of your Allies at that time , when the guy was about to open his mouth.Don't say muslims killed him , on contrary Muslims are the only one who lost that fortune.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Soul
Examples? Maybe in Yoguslavia ?

Maybe in the US (http://www.public-i.org/story_01_092001.htm)?

Maybe in The United Kingdom (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/jun2000/sier-j01.shtml)?

Maybe in The United Kingdom (http://alt.venus.co.uk/weed/humour/abbagulf.htm)? (This is amazingly funny!)

Maybe in the Palestinian Authority (http://www.cjr.org/year/96/3/palestine.asp)?

Maybe again in the Palestinian Authority (http://www.phrmg.org/monitor1997/jan97-1.htm)?

Maybe again in the Palestinian Authority (http://www.hrw.org/press97/oct/pas-r.htm)?

Maybe again in the Palestinian Authority (http://www.web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/MDE210162000?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES%5CPALESTINIAN%2BAUTHORITY)?

Maybe again in the Palestinian Authority in liberated Jenin (http://www.phrmg.org/monitor1997/jan97.htm)?

This is mostly pointless but since you insisted on pressing the point, a response was in order.

Censorship of the media has been common by all sides in most major wars. Or is this news to you?

You didn't comment on the CBC or BBC movies

I will.

The CBC movie is a film taken by the IDF itself. Now, why would they do that?

The intent of the film was to show what IDF troops have to go through in their house to house hunt for terrorists, which the PA cities are full of and make especially cynical use of civilians and/or their property.

Did the soldiers previously order everyone out? Was the lack of compliance a signal of danger? I don't know. I wasn't there.

I do know that, as you can see, these beasts of soldier were themselves despondent over what they had caused. No gloating here - just the opposite. In their line of duty to fight the PA, Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists (yes, I know I left out Tanzim, Force 17, Izadim whatever, PFLP, DFLP and the rest of them), a tragedy occurred and they show it.

Once the door was blown open, and that is what killed the mother, these IDF soldiers did not procede to beat the father or children to a pulp. They didn't throw them out. Nothing.

In fact, the first thing they took care of was trying to arrange evacuation by ambulance before, as we saw, their continuing their duty of searching for weapons and moving on to the next building.

I think this is very well summed up by that hypocrite extraordinaire of a Palestinanist, Fox News reporter Geraldo Rivera.

When it comes to Israel, Rivera has this to say on March 13:

" "the most insidious evil about terrorism ... is that sometimes, because it's so darned difficult to fight, you become something
like you are fighting. You become someone who violates some of the basic oncepts of your own fundamental democracy, your own -- who you are."

Yet, when it comes to the US fighting in Afghanistan, the very same Geraldo Rivera, only two weeks earlier, said:

""this is a war. War is violent, brutal, messy business, and accidents happen. Civilians do get killed."

"The Afghans understand that war is not always precise. They understand the need for violence to combat violence. Yes, a mistake happened. Lots of mistakes happen."

I'll let those of you who aren't rabid Arabists decide what's going on here and who's twisting the truth.

[Oh Jerusalem]

I have not yet seen the BBC movie but, rest asured, I'll take a look and post my comments.

For those of us with eyes, while these movies are intent on being used against Israel, an honest look (and sometimes investigation) of the surrounding events and of the exemplary behavior of IDF soldiers, even on comparison with accepted Western military standards, is something we can be proud of.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Just view the BBC clip (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1920000/video/_1924313_mideast_guerin17_vi.ram) (note I have no hesitationof providing the link to it here again in case someone missed it.

The lady in the wheelchair was unharmed and the reporters, who are not allowed to be there, were allowed to move her to safety.

Everything else in the film is a one sided story, with Palestinians having full say on what's happening.

There's no bulldozing of bodies. More Palestinian crap fabrications. Unless there might be an incident where a body is uncovered during removal of damaged buildings. Quite a difference, though.

In fact, it's the PA who shot at their own PRC ambulances last week, when the medics first attempted to pick up the bodies. That's because burying their own dead would have ruined a perfectly beautiful photo op for the PA. Now that's what I call barbaric.

Now that Jenin is under Israeli control the bodies are being picked up, identified (when possible) and taken away for burial - by the Israelis. This BTW is in accordance with international war conventions. It is Israel's responsibility - under these circumstances - to do so.

As for all the other claims on the film, even the reporter had to use the world "claim". Husband was a sheppard? With or without a gun? Did he shoot, disobey orders to stop, act suspicious? Again, who knows. We see him dying at home after this had already happened, with absolutely zero indpendent sources to confirm/deny anything.

As to why the man is dying or dead already, ask the PA why they've used PRC ambulances over and over again to smuggle suicide bomb belts, other weapons and terrorists - all against ICRC conventions. This subject has been much discussed elsewhere on this forum.

Israel did offer to evacuate wounded Palestinians but the PA refuses to allow this, meaning the risk is absurdly high to try and save enemy lives when the enemy will shoot to kill.

Indeed it's tragic. The Palestinians again know much suffering and again have only themselves to blame.

[Oh Jerusalem]

More examples of Palestinian respect for the dead (http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/04/14/LatestNews/LatestNews.46915.html),

[L@mplighterM]

When the dogs of war are unleashed deaths are going to occur. I for one don?t believe the propaganda coming from the Palestinians. I was reading on one European site yesterday that 900 Palestinians were uncovered in a mass grave in Jenin.

The article went on to say that whole families had been cleansed.
The article was gone this morning but I did read that Israel is opening up some areas for the press.

Further I?m certain that Israel has been keeping a video diary of every event that has/is taken place in the West Bank, this is after all the era of instant replay.

[ArabianKnight]

Oopss and forgot to say something to you Mr.NewsGuy.....
You are the one who lives in a miserable state....at least I can go freely to any bus station and eat at any Italian resturant without being worried that the guy next to me will explode, where as you...hehehehe.....you are even too woried to be bombed while you are in a public rest room!!! *lol*

Oh and in case, you think this will improve in the future, and your kids will have better future than yours, FORGET IT!!
I know how stuborn those palestinians are, and I feel sorry for every Jewish living with them *lol*

I could live in a hot weather, desert, with no civilazation, but at least I am living in peace!
You would pay thousands to live as we are here in my "miserable" state!

[Shuki]

Originally posted by ArabianKnight
Oopss and forgot to say something to you Mr.NewsGuy.....
You are the one who lives in a miserable state....at least I can go freely to any bus station and eat at any Italian resturant without being worried that the guy next to me will explode, where as you...hehehehe.....you are even too woried to be bombed while you are in a public rest room!!! *lol*

Oh and in case, you think this will improve in the future, and your kids will have better future than yours, FORGET IT!!
I know how stuborn those palestinians are, and I feel sorry for every Jewish living with them *lol*

I could live in a hot weather, desert, with no civilazation, but at least I am living in peace!
You would pay thousands to live as we are here in my "miserable" state!

What a joke. After 2000 years do you really think we are going to give up our homeland. The bombers will be handled through political or outside means. All options are open. And do you really think that your Italian food is any good, please.

[ArabianKnight]

Alot of you have already gave up and left to Russia and Europe cowards!
Few suicide bombers made you give up your dream, and leave for good.
Your citizens are not even attached to this land. Half of the Jews in this Board are not even living in israel...why is that?!!

If they really feel that Israel is safe and its thier dream land, then how come they still spread in US, Africa and Europe?!

Oh and by the way, I guess you meant 50 years when you typed 2000!

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by ArabianKnight
Oh and in case, you think this will improve in the future, and your kids will have better future than yours, FORGET IT!!
I know how stuborn those palestinians are, and I feel sorry for every Jewish living with them *lol*

I could live in a hot weather, desert, with no civilazation, but at least I am living in peace!
You would pay thousands to live as we are here in my "miserable" state!
Wow, ArabianKnight, I can tell that nothing gets passed your observant eye. Things are real rough here Los Angeles...

I agree that I also feel sorry for anyone living next to the Palestinians. That was another very wise observation of yours.

As for my paying thousands to live in some miserable, corrupt heap of oily sand as you do, no thanks.

I much prefer to live in civilization where people can read and write, can live freely, speak freely, make money freely, and in any event, we get the best your third-word country has to offer for $1.65 at the local gas station. We even have your own countrymen pumping the gas manually for another 20 cents, if wanted.

If you ever qualify for a visa to the US and actually get past the strict new security at our airports aimed at people such as yourself, then you might find out that there are much better places to live than the oily sand dune you call home.

[L@mplighterM]

I much prefer to live in civilization where people can read and write, can live freely, speak freely, make money freely, and in any event, we get the best your third-word country has to offer for $1.65 at the local gas station. We even have your own countrymen pumping the gas manually for another 20 cents, if wanted.

Can they really make 20 cents a gallon pumping gas in LA? That’s amazing! Up north they deliver pizzas for tips and scrounge the lane ways for empty aluminum cans. There have been squatters where they move into houses that are scheduled for demolition needless to say there’s no plumbing or running water. I guess if you’re used to living around camels you get acclimated to the stench of excrement.
Maybe I should put up some posters around here and tell them they can make a fortune in California.

[Shuki]

Originally posted by ArabianKnight
Alot of you have already gave up and left to Russia and Europe cowards!
Few suicide bombers made you give up your dream, and leave for good.
Your citizens are not even attached to this land. Half of the Jews in this Board are not even living in israel...why is that?!!

If they really feel that Israel is safe and its thier dream land, then how come they still spread in US, Africa and Europe?!

Oh and by the way, I guess you meant 50 years when you typed 2000!

Perhaps too much sun has affected your brain. The 2000 year reference is to the number of years in which we were exiled. In simple terms that means for 2000 years we followed our dream and eventually returned to our homeland.

2000 years- (a portion of which your ancestors were still worshipping idols and practicing human sacrifice) during that time we outlived, outlasted and outwitted all of those who tried to kill us. The next group will go down too.

Israel is home and although some may leave, many replace them and many return. Like many countries Israel has its share of warts and their is work to be done.

But as opposed to your home you will not be arrested for criticizing the government. You do not have to worry about honor killings, you do not have to worry about what to do when the world shifts from oil to alternative energy sources and you are not stuck living in a sand dune during 2010 degree heat waves. :)

[ArabianKnight]

Shuki:
Habeeby, ,we dont live on oil.....we used to live on dates and water....and believe me, we still can live like that. We have been living on this land before Oil came up, so please go and educate yourself...and this is the 2nd time I am asking you to read history...which you dont know because you still think Israel is right next to Jordan historically!! *lol*

[Oh Jerusalem]

And I always thought it was illegal for Moslems to get drunk!

[victot]

i think arabianknight is evil...
not much use in discussing anything with him.

[NewsGuy]

That won't be an issue.

After needing to remove comments from him congratulating Hitler and other violations of our Rules of the Road, he didn't make it through his trial membership. I think he's the first so far that I can remember.