About Intelligent Presidents

[Noam]

Used to think it was a must. Not so

The people of Iraq are better off now.
HECK-- THE WHOLE WORLD IS MUCH MUCH BETTER NOW.

You do not hear talks of WARS any longer, DO YOU?

You do not hear talks of DOOMS DAY and POWDER KEGS Middle East, Do you?

You do not hear of OIL EMBARGO, do you?

You do hear, OTOH, Kaddafi relinquishing Nukes
You do hear, OTOH, India and Pakistan Talk
You do hear, OTOH, France and Germany beginning to curb Fanatic Islam....

You do hear North Korea--Very silent now...

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[I am David]

You have got to be joking, seriously.

[Noam]

Originally posted by I am David
You have got to be joking, seriously.

Oops. I see I was deleted again. This time I have a copy of the post so I know why.
I shall avoid that annoying word in the future.

Why do you think I am joking?

America was built by the genius of Madisons and Jeffersons who constructed a Brilliant Constitution and Bill of Rights.

But not any less by simpltones like

Gary Cooper In High Noon
Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry
Pytons who said that the role of the army is to make the OTHER guy die for HIS country.

THere is such a thing as ABSOUTE TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

Rather black ane white.
YOu don't need to by Einstein to distinguish between Black and White. Just true and principled individual.

Your turn David.

[Noam]

Originally posted by Noam
Used to think it was a must. Not so

The people of Iraq are better off now.
HECK-- THE WHOLE WORLD IS MUCH MUCH BETTER NOW.

You do not hear talks of WARS any longer, DO YOU?

You do not hear talks of DOOMS DAY and POWDER KEGS Middle East, Do you?

You do not hear of OIL EMBARGO, do you?

You do hear, OTOH, Kaddafi relinquishing Nukes
You do hear, OTOH, India and Pakistan Talk
You do hear, OTOH, France and Germany beginning to curb Fanatic Islam....

You do hear North Korea--Very silent now...

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Just wrote it in a pm and thought it worth a post:

As to Bush. He is not very smart. But he has an ideology and we are in a war with some of the worst ideologists humanity encountered. He is Gary Cooper in High Noon. He was not very Clever, Not very sophisticated, not very young and not a very good gun fighter-- but he was determined to win against EVIL.. and that was ENOUGH!

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Noam
Just wrote it in a pm and thought it worth a post:

As to Bush. He is not very smart. ti's clear he is not, to say the least.

But he's not too courageous either, I think his military record doesn't show a great deal of it

Wesley K. Clark: Brave in war, brave against it
Wesley K. Clark NYT Thursday, April 29, 2004
Kerry's Vietnam record

LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas When John Kerry released his military records to the public last week, Americans learned a lot about Kerry's exceptional service in Vietnam. They also learned a lot about the Republican attack machine.
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The evaluations were uniformly glowing. One commander wrote that Kerry ranked among "the top few" in three categories: initiative, cooperation and personal behavior.
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Another commander wrote, "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action, Lt. j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed." The citation for Kerry's Bronze Star praises his "calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire."
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In the U.S. military, there's no ideology - there are no labels, Republican or Democrat - when superiors evaluate a man or woman's service to country. Kerry's commander for a brief time, Grant Hibbard, now a Republican, gave Kerry top marks 36 years ago.
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Now the standards are those of politics, not the military. Despite his positive evaluations, Hibbard recently questioned whether Kerry deserved one of his three Purple Hearts.
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In the heat of a political campaign, attacks come from all directions. That's why John Kerry's military records are so compelling; they measure the man before his critics or his supporters saw him through a political lens.
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These military records show that Kerry served his country with valor, and that those who served with him and above him held him in high regard. That's honor enough for any veteran.
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Yet the Republican attack machine follows a pattern we've seen before, whether the target is Senator John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 or Senator Max Cleland in Georgia in 2002. The latest manifestation of these tactics is the controversy over Kerry's medals. Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for his service in Vietnam. In April 1971, as part of a protest against the war, he threw some ribbons over the fence of the U.S. Capitol.
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Republicans have tried to use this event to question his patriotism and his truthfulness, claiming he has been inconsistent in saying whether he threw away his medals or ribbons. This is no more than a political smear.
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After risking his life in Vietnam to save others, Kerry earned the right to speak out against a war he believed was wrong. Make no mistake: It is that bravery these Republicans are now attacking.
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Although President George W. Bush has not engaged personally in such accusations, he has done nothing to stop others from making them.
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I believe those who didn't serve, or didn't show up for service, should have the decency to respect those who did serve - often under the most dangerous conditions, with bravery and, yes, with undeniable patriotism.

Wesley K. Clark, a former Democratic presidential candidate, was commander of NATO forces from 1997 to 2000.



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[Alfred]

What is YOUR military record Olivier?

[I am David]

Are we comparing Bush to Olivier, or Bush to Kerry? ;)

[tandem]

Originally posted by Alfred
What is YOUR military record Olivier?
mostly flame wars :p

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Alfred
What is YOUR military record Olivier? I will tell you if I run for president (or if decide to invade and occupy a country sending thousands and thousands to death). Kerry know what war is and he proved his courage, Bush don't.



To get back on topic on presidents, I'm sure you know the name of the huge investment group that hired both W Bush and the Ben Laden family

The Carlyle Group is famed for its former associations with the Bin Laden family and its links to politicians such as George Bush senior and John Major.

It is best known for its investments in defence companies.
Look at W Bush career in Carlyle's Caterair, too, the one he erased from his CV.

As for me But I'm not asking anyone to let me be the "commander in chief". And I can garantee you I do not have any personnal interests in the defence or oil industries.

[Mediocrates]

Polticians have interests in all sorts of industries and sectors. That's part of what got them that far to begin with.

Please don't give me that lame Populist 'man of the people' twaddle.

[Alfred]

Originally posted by I am David
Are we comparing Bush to Olivier, or Bush to Kerry? ;)


Actually, I think my statement is VERY appropriate.

Olivier is French.

Kerry is French....and I can prove it.

1. John F (for French) Kerry.

2. Kerry acts French.

3. Kerry looks French.

4. Kerry went to war in Indo-China to be macho.

5. Kerry left the war in Indo-China very fast (2 months)

6. Kerry put himself in for 5 medals in his short "tour of duty" in Indo-China.

7. Kerry "earned" 3 Purple Hearts all without missing a single day of work or even having to get a Tetnus shot.

8. He then spent years condeming everyone else who served in Viet Nam as puppets and war criminals.

9. He has now forgotten #8 and is declaring himself a war hero


Sounds French to me.

[Olivier]

lol and we can compare Alfred to Bush ... since this thread is about intelligence.

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Polticians have interests in all sorts of industries and sectors. That's part of what got them that far to begin with. especially when an investment company specialized in contracting with defence agencies has a 30% ROI more than ten years in a row.

Quite a performance when you are the biggest private investor in the world and unite people such as the Ben Laden family, the Bush family, John Major, Fidel Ramos, Al-Walid, Caspar Weinberger... all these politicians having nothing to do with defense contracts, of course.


And the father Bush got his son a position as administrator of a subsidiary called Caterair. When Jr. left it in 1994, the company was in a sorry state. Maybe this guy is as a good manager as he is a good soldier. But you're no gonna find any reference to this on his official CV.