Zionism is Not Judaism!

[General X]

so says this site:
Jews Not Zionists- An informative website (htttp://www.jewsnotzionists.com)

[Oh Jerusalem]

I'm getting a not found error trying to access the site.

Just from the title of it, there is a certain amount of truth in it.

For example, there are secular Zionists. That Zionism certainly isn't Judaism.

I take it this is a Neturei Karta type site.

Anyway, it's an interesting and important topic but until the site is available, it's hard to discuss its contents.

[victot]

today i went to a big israel rally in montreal, canada (supposedly 25,000-50,000 people), and there was a group of very religious jews there with signs about how "true jews don't recognize israel" i think this is because of something that is written in the talmud, which discusses how israel will really come into being...
i think super mega religeous jews believe that there needs to be an act of g-d for israel to happen the way it is meant to in the bible, and this current stint in israel is destined to failure...
something like that.
i would like to know more about this, cuz i know some very religeous jews who are very much for the state of israel, but i know there are a lot jews for religeous reasons don't recognize it.

[cerulean]

http://www.netureikarta.org/ - maybe this one has taken over the other one listed above, which appears to be inactive.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Yep, that's tem alright.

NK is shunned by the rest of the Ultra Orthodox and Hareidi world as a demented fringe element.

They are traitors to the Jewish people and I pray to G-d that they have no share in the world to come for some of the acts that they have done to support Arafat and other terrorists.

Let's take a few quotes from their own site:

One of the basics of Judaism is that we are a people in exile due to Divine decree.

Another one is that this exile is not for infinity and the Prophets relate numerous time that Am Yisrael will return to Israel and to Jerusalem.

Accordingly, we are opposed to the ideology of Zionism, a recent innovation, which seeks to force the end of exile.

Jews have been living in Israel for hundreds of years. Indeed, until Herzl, almost all those that came were religious Jews, including such rabbis as the Rambam and students of the Villna Gaon and many many more. These are Torah authorities which even NKers affiliate with. (In fact, NK itself is based in Jerusalem, where its core members live).

The trick word here is "force".

Like I implied before, in a strict semantical sense Zionism is indeed not Judaism, as Zionism's founders were not at all basing their philosphies on Torah observance whatsoever.

However, as even the most observant Jew knows, Jews all over the world have been praying at least 3 times daily to return to Israel and Jerusalem. From this most elementary Jewish point sprung religious Zionism.

One thing for certain. NK have always strengthened the hand of Israel's worst enemies, such as Arafat, and are as obnoxious and repugnant as anyone on Israel's fringe left.

[bakuda]

shame.

[Shuki]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Yep, that's tem alright.

NK is shunned by the rest of the Ultra Orthodox and Hareidi world as a demented fringe element.


One thing for certain. NK have always strengthened the hand of Israel's worst enemies, such as Arafat, and are as obnoxious and repugnant as anyone on Israel's fringe left.

NK "members" should leave Israel. I have had many "circular" arguments with them about why they stay. They're worse than the far left and the far right.