Bush Up In Poll!

[Noam]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A majority of Americans approve of the way President Bush is handling terrorism, according to a poll taken in the days after a former aide charged that Bush had underestimated the terror threat prior to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
The USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll released on Monday also showed gains in Bush's political position against presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

The poll results suggest that the Bush campaign's attempts to paint Kerry as a tax-and spend Democrat who wavers on the issues had more impact on the race than charges by former White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke that Bush focused on Iraq and ignored al Qaeda in the months leading up to the 2001 attacks, CNN reported.

According to the poll, 58 percent of Americans approve of Bush's handling of the terrorism threat and 39 percent disapprove. His overall job approval rating stood at 53 percent, up four percentage points since a poll conducted at the beginning of March.

Given a matchup between Bush and Kerry, 51 percent of the respondents said they would likely vote for Bush -- up seven percentage points from a March 5-7 poll. Forty-seven percent said they would likely choose Kerry, down from 52 percent.

The poll of 1,001 adults was conducted March 26-28 and has an error margin of plus or minus three percentage points. "


Don't you just WANT TO CRY!

[KSO]

Well of course they will vote for bush Kerry is way too liberal for theyre good old taste: He's against bombing up the world, against the great american values like "Fags not wanted- and now thats official!" and against the great american tradition of moving jobs to the third world...
Maybe he is a communist?!

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Well of course they will vote for bush Kerry is way too liberal for theyre good old taste: He's against bombing up the world, against the great american values like "Fags not wanted- and now thats official!" and against the great american tradition of moving jobs to the third world...
Maybe he is a communist?!
How do you think Bush should handle the Israeli-Pal conflict?

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
How do you think Bush should handle the Israeli-Pal conflict?

Well for my humble opinion as an Israeli citizen, I believe The US and all the rest of the civilised world must take every action to force Israel, to end the occupation in a peaceful and fair way, and if the US president will realy pressure both sides like Clinton did back then, maybe the Israeli goverment will be forced to negotiate with the PAL representatives... as long as theyre leadership is moderate (compared to the possible future leadership of islamic extermists.)

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Well for my humble opinion as an Israeli citizen, I believe The US and all the rest of the civilised world must take every action to force Israel, to end the occupation in a peaceful and fair way, and if the US president will realy pressure both sides like Clinton did back then, maybe the Israeli goverment will be forced to negotiate with the PAL representatives... as long as theyre leadership is moderate (compared to the possible future leadership of islamic extermists.)
Which Palestinian leadership would that be? What moderate Palestinian leaders have the backing of the Palestinian people?

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
Which Palestinian leadership would that be? What moderate Palestinian leaders have the backing of the Palestinian people?

Well Arafat is pretty moderate, but I think he lost control over the streets and now he is a symbolic figure, but the people of palestine will still unite around him if he will take drastic steps in one direction or another...

MAruan Barguti is a very popular, inteligent and moderate man, but our brilliant goverement decided to put him in jail...

and there still Ragub Dahlan and maybe even Quarei

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Well Arafat is pretty moderate, but I think he lost control over the streets and now he is a symbolic figure, but the people of palestine will still unite around him if he will take drastic steps in one direction or another...

MAruan Barguti is a very popular, inteligent and moderate man, but our brilliant goverement decided to put him in jail...

and there still Ragub Dahlan and maybe even Quarei
interesting....I don't consider Arafat a moderate. I consider him a criminal who stole money from the Palestinian people and was never sincere about wanting peace with Israel. Barghouti is an interesting choice, although he still believes in the right of return for Palestinians, a red line for Jewish Israelis.

[TheyAre]

I find your racism refreshing, KSO. Tell me, was it Noam Chomsky or Gore Vidal who told you that core American values include homophobia and indiscriminate bombing of other countries?

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
interesting....I don't consider Arafat a moderate. I consider him a criminal who stole money from the Palestinian people and was never sincere about wanting peace with Israel. Barghouti is an interesting choice, although he still believes in the right of return for Palestinians, a red line for Jewish Israelis.

Well Arafat is not an angel but you got to talk to someone and he stoped the violence for a couple of years in the past, and i think he is still considerably a decent choise for a partner...
also I believe that Arafat, Barghouti and all the other secular palestinian leaders understand that the right of return is not a negotiable issue and they will be pretty happy with a return to the 67 borders and the right to build their Capital In Jerusalem.

[minusthejihad]

Any Israeli that thinks Terrorfat is a moderate, most likely is not an Israeli.

KSO, I think you are full of shi'ite. Maybe Sunni

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Any Israeli that thinks Terrorfat is a moderate, most likely is not an Israeli.

KSO, I think you are full of shi'ite. Maybe Sunni

Not Sunni, Armenian Christian.

[minusthejihad]

My unclem is an Armenian Christian, though one with a brain rather than a bag of liberal and terrorist apologist lies and dogma.

[KSO]

Originally posted by TheyAre
I find your racism refreshing, KSO. Tell me, was it Noam Chomsky or Gore Vidal who told you that core American values include homophobia and indiscriminate bombing of other countries?

Unfortunetaly not... your the beloved president George Walker Bush tells that every time, and the majority of the american people joyfully cheer for theyre beloved leader.

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
My unclem is an Armenian Christian, though one with a brain rather than a bag of liberal and terrorist apologist lies and dogma.

I guess the best way to discuss is to degrade the other side...
count me out... go fight terrorism!!! YEAH!!!

p.s.

Peace to your uncle, we armenians must stand for each other!

[minusthejihad]

You are either an idiot or a liar.

Please cite any sources or articles or anything where GWB has said those things.

Otherwise, go spread lies somewhere else you rascally teenager with no brain.

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
I guess the best way to discuss is to degrade the other side...
count me out... go fight terrorism!!! YEAH!!!

p.s.

Peace to your uncle, we armenians must stand for each other!

No, the best way to discuss, is for you to come to a forum with some news article, piece, source, anything other than some blanket statement about how bad the US or Jooos are. Other than that, you are a troll. If you want to discuss something, do it right or don't do it at all.

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
You are either an idiot or a liar.

Please cite any sources or articles or anything where GWB has said those things.

Otherwise, go spread lies somewhere else you rascally teenager with no brain.

Keep insulting me, that's the right way... I am almost convinced...

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
Keep insulting me, that's the right way... I am almost convinced...

I didn't insult you, I gave you a choice.

However, your rhetoric is an insult any sane person's intelligence.

I'm pretty convinced that you can't hang in any intelligent conversation anyway. Given the fact that you have not cited one source nor shown any proof of any of the lies you told. The only thing you have done so far is throw out lies, opinions, misinformation and managed to flee with your tail between your legs. See ya!

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Well Arafat is not an angel but you got to talk to someone and he stoped the violence for a couple of years in the past, and i think he is still considerably a decent choise for a partner...
also I believe that Arafat, Barghouti and all the other secular palestinian leaders understand that the right of return is not a negotiable issue and they will be pretty happy with a return to the 67 borders and the right to build their Capital In Jerusalem.
Well, they were offered basically just that at Taba, with some land swaps of pre 67 land for post 67 land where it was deemed necessary to connect Gaza to the West Bank and for security prupsoes for Israel (it will be necessary to retain at least some of the West Bank hills for security purposes since many of them overlook Jewish villages). It was turned down. Both Arafat and Queria have consistently said that they will not compromise on a right of return.

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
I didn't insult you, I gave you a choice.

However, your rhetoric is an insult any sane person's intelligence.

I'm pretty convinced that you can't hang in any intelligent conversation anyway. Given the fact that you have not cited one source nor shown any proof of any of the lies you told. The only thing you have done so far is throw out lies, opinions, misinformation and managed to flee with your tail between your legs. See ya!



“I also believe that academic freedom should protect the right of a professor or student to advocate Marxism, socialism, communism, or any other minority viewpoint--no matter how distasteful to the majority, provided.”
Richard M. Nixon

[Mira~]

Also, I apologize for the rudeness of some of my fellow posters, KSO. Welcome to the board.

[TheyAre]

Why don't you apologize for him generalizing all Americans as homophobes and warmongers? Hmmm?

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by Mira
Also, I apologize for the rudeness of some of my fellow posters, KSO. Welcome to the board.

I don't know if you meant me, but if you did, please refrain for apologizing for me in the future.

I don't know if you like to entertain haters for the fun of it or what, but when someone's first three posts are nothing but lies, generalizations, and insults to me as an American and a Jew, I find rudeness is the only response they deserve. If they really wanted to discuss something, they would do a bit more than cite unambiguous quotes from Nixon.

Good luck with whatever approach you want to take with this troll!

[Mira~]

Originally posted by TheyAre
Why don't you apologize for him generalizing all Americans as homophobes and warmongers? Hmmm?
That's true. He didn't make a very good first impression with that one.

Apologize, KSO? Start over?

[minusthejihad]

"I apologize for some of my fellow Jooos, Hitler, please continue killing us. Some of us actually do want to talk!"

All for the sake of discussion I guess.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
Well, they were offered basically just that at Taba, with some land swaps of pre 67 land for post 67 land where it was deemed necessary to connect Gaza to the West bank and for security prupsoes for Israel (it will be necessary to retain at least some some of the West bank Hills for security purposes since many of them overlook Jewish villages). It was turned down. Both Arafat and Queria have consistently said that they will not compromise on a right of return.

Well as we all know words in politics doesnt mean much, only a couple of years ago Sharon said that not a single settlement will be moved and now he is the biggest enemy of the jewish settlers, just a year ago in the general elections held in Israel Sharon declared he opposes the security fence, and the opposition was so keen to build it, now Sharon builds the fence and the left-centrist opposition opposes it...
I guess Arafat and his fellow men understand that the right of return is an Ideal, but not an achieveble goal, and many oppinion polls taken in the occupied teritories show that about half or more of the palestinian public is willing to compromise on the right of return.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
"I apologize for some of my fellow Jooos, Hitler, please continue killing us. Some of us actually do want to talk!"

All for the sake of discussion I guess.
You can't be liked by everybody. :rolleyes:

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
That's true. He didn't make a very good first impression with that one.

Apologize, KSO? Start over?

I appologyse if my words has been misinterupted, I was talking in a cynical way, Not all Americans are warmungers and homophobes, some are sweet and decent people, well and some are not..

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Well as we all know words in politics doesnt mean much, only a couple of years ago Sharon said that not a single settlement will be moved and now he is the biggest enemy of the jewish settlers, just a year ago in the general elections held in Israel Sharon declared he opposes the security fence, and the opposition was so keen to build it, now Sharon builds the fence and the left-centrist opposition opposes it...
I guess Arafat and his fellow men understand that the right of return is an Ideal, but not an achieveble goal, and many oppinion polls taken in the occupied teritories show that about half or more of the palestinian public is willing to compromise on the right of return.
Ok, I really am going to have to ask you to supply some of the polls, because all the polls that I have seen conducted by Palestinian institutions show that the opposite is true. Not only that, but groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad have gained most of the seats at the Palestinian Universities on a platform of how many Israelis they have murdered. Fatah has been losing popular support. I have Palestinian friends, btw, with family still living in the West Bank. They say that the PA should be dismantled at this point. That the PA no longer has control and the people see it as nothing but a corrupt, no good organization. He thinks that the only solution is UN intervention.

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
Well as we all know words in politics doesnt mean much, only a couple of years ago Sharon said that not a single settlement will be moved and now he is the biggest enemy of the jewish settlers, just a year ago in the general elections held in Israel Sharon declared he opposes the security fence, and the opposition was so keen to build it, now Sharon builds the fence and the left-centrist opposition opposes it...
I guess Arafat and his fellow men understand that the right of return is an Ideal, but not an achieveble goal, and many oppinion polls taken in the occupied teritories show that about half or more of the palestinian public is willing to compromise on the right of return.

Speaking of polls....

Here is the latest Palestinian poll:

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=20247

* Wide support for armed attacks: 87% support attacks against Israeli soldiers, 86% support attacks against settlers, and 53% support attacks against Israeli civilians.

Let's give them a state!!!!

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by Mira
You can't be liked by everybody. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I didn't know that was your goal.

However, that is not my intent. I do not think terrorists should be handed the mic in interviews on CNN either, but hey, freedom of speech is a slimy thing isn;t it?

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
Ok, I really am going to have to ask you to supply some of the polls, because all the polls that I have seen conducted by Palestinian institutions show that the opposite is true. Not only that, but groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad have gained most of the seats at the Palestinian Universities on a platform of how many Israelis they have murdered. Fatah has been losing popular support. I have Palestinian friends, btw, with family still living in the West Bank. They say that the PA should be dismantled at this point. That the PA no longer has control and the people see it as nothing but a corrupt, no good organization. He thinks that the only solution is UN intervention.

I remember reading this poll in an ISraeli newspapper a couple of months ago...
well maybe the PA is not the model governing organisation... but today there are no one else Israel can talk too, and as we all see, not talking has much deadlier results than talking to corrupt leaders...
I do believe that there is a need for new moderate leadership for the PA but it has to come from the PA or at least from an international solution, because if Israel will stand behind such steps thats will only increase the hatred that already exists on the palestinian street towards Israel, and will make the new pro-israel goverment vonurable, and will most likely lead to a takeover by the extremists.

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
I appologyse if my words has been misinterupted, I was talking in a cynical way, Not all Americans are warmungers and homophobes, some are sweet and decent people, well and some are not..

Your apology is NOT accepted, not by me at least, but of course, I never asked you for one. I wouldn't ask a dog for a bone either.

And your words weren't misinterupted nor misinterpreted. You were trying to talk shi'ite and it worked. And now you look like a biiaaatch.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
I'm sorry, I didn't know that was your goal.

However, that is not my intent. I do not think terrorists should be handed the mic in interviews on CNN either, but hey, freedom of speech is a slimy thing isn;t it?
It's not my goal for everybody to like me. If this guy really is an Armenian Christian Israeli then I think his perspective may be valuable here. If he turns into a rabid troll propagandist, then he can be cut off like the Egyptian guy who was on here a while ago. Despite his gruff intro, I'm willing to see how this plays out, even if I know that I won't end up agreeing with him on everything.

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
I remember reading this poll in an ISraeli newspapper a couple of months ago...
well maybe the PA is not the model governing organisation... but today there are no one else Israel can talk too, and as we all see, not talking has much deadlier results than talking to corrupt leaders...
I do believe that there is a need for new moderate leadership for the PA but it has to come from the PA or at least from an international solution, because if Israel will stand behind such steps thats will only increase the hatred that already exists on the palestinian street towards Israel, and will make the new pro-israel goverment vonurable, and will most likely lead to a takeover by the extremists.

Man, you really are a peace of ----- (work).

We don't all see that. YOU see that.

First of all, go back and do the research and post the poll. Otherwise, we'll consider that you made it up.

Second, there has been less terrorist attacks since Israel has been fighting terror and not negotiating, rather than the other way around. Stop making stuff up please.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by KSO
leadership of islamic extermists.


Positively Freudian.

[minusthejihad]

Look Mira, I'm in Israel now. Yup, took a five minute flight.

Oh, and by the way, this hour I happen to feel like a Azerbaijani Methodist Convert. Would you like to hear my opinion on Israeli Amenians? :)

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
I remember reading this poll in an ISraeli newspapper a couple of months ago...
well maybe the PA is not the model governing organisation... but today there are no one else Israel can talk too, and as we all see, not talking has much deadlier results than talking to corrupt leaders...
I do believe that there is a need for new moderate leadership for the PA but it has to come from the PA or at least from an international solution, because if Israel will stand behind such steps thats will only increase the hatred that already exists on the palestinian street towards Israel, and will make the new pro-israel goverment vonurable, and will most likely lead to a takeover by the extremists.
Re: Extremists: I'm afraid that it is already happening and may even be too late. Like I said, my friends are pretty much convinced that there is nobody in the PA who the people will endorse, except for maybe Barghouti if he were to be released.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Look Mira, I'm in Israel now. Yup, took a five minute flight.

Oh, and by the way, this hour I happen to feel like a Azerbaijani Methodist Convert. Would you like to hear my opinion on Israeli Amenians? :)
Cute. :p If newsguy wants to, he can tell us where this guy is posting from. Newsguy, is KSO legit?

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Man, you really are a peace of ----- (work).

We don't all see that. YOU see that.

First of all, go back and do the research and post the poll. Otherwise, we'll consider that you made it up.

Second, there has been less terrorist attacks since Israel has been fighting terror and not negotiating, rather than the other way around. Stop making stuff up please.

between 1997-2000 Israeli forces werent present at most of the occupied territories, there was very few terrorist attacks, since Sharon took power in 2001 and re-occupied the territories there been more than 1000 dead Israelis in terror attacks.
and to your latest poll about Palestinians supporiting the battle against israel, well what can you expect from them for 40 years their land is occupied, and they are third class citizens, do you want them to cheer for the IDF??

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
between 1997-2000 Israeli forces werent present at most of the occupied territories, there was very few terrorist attacks, since Sharon took power in 2001 and re-occupied the territories there been more than 1000 dead Israelis in terror attacks.
and to your latest poll about Palestinians supporiting the battle against israel, well what can you expect from them for 40 years their land is occupied, and they are third class citizens, do you want them to cheer for the IDF??

No, I'd like to see them continue to kill themselves and their children and suffer in poverty, as long as it doesn't affect any Israelis. Is that good enough for you?

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
No, I'd like to see them continue to kill themselves and their children and suffer in poverty, as long as it doesn't affect any Israelis. Is that good enough for you?

no but at least you are honest.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by KSO
between 1997-2000 Israeli forces werent present at most of the occupied territories, there was very few terrorist attacks, since Sharon took power in 2001 and re-occupied the territories there been more than 1000 dead Israelis in terror attacks.
and to your latest poll about Palestinians supporiting the battle against israel, well what can you expect from them for 40 years their land is occupied, and they are third class citizens, do you want them to cheer for the IDF??



Because they decided to start a war the victims of that war, are to your thinking the root cause? I die therefore I am? We used to tell poor black people - - "why don't you just move out of those crack infested free fire zones you call neighborhoods, do you just like it there more?"

I'm hard pressed to understand what you mean.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
between 1997-2000 Israeli forces werent present at most of the occupied territories, there was very few terrorist attacks, since Sharon took power in 2001 and re-occupied the territories there been more than 1000 dead Israelis in terror attacks.
and to your latest poll about Palestinians supporiting the battle against israel, well what can you expect from them for 40 years their land is occupied, and they are third class citizens, do you want them to cheer for the IDF??
There was a peace process going on at the time, although there were still bus bombings going on in Jerusalem throughout Oslo. Israel would ask the PA to arrest those in charge and they almost never did. When they finally did, under tremendous pressure from Israel and the US, they would let them go a few weeks later. The PA jails were considered "revolving doors."

When Arafat walked away from Camp David and Taba, I believe that his goal was to try and turn Israel into Lebanon, and to try and exact greater concessions from Israel through violence.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Because they decided to start a war the victims of that war, are to your thinking the root cause? I die therefore I am? We used to tell poor black people - - "why don't you just move out of those crack infested free fire zones you call neighborhoods, do you just like it there more?"

I'm hard pressed to understand what you mean.

Well it took the jews who were locked in the ghettos during the wwII 3 years to uprise against the nazis and many jews started fighthing guerrilla warfare against the german army I dont want to compare but today in palestine the situation pretty reminds the ghettos that jews were placed in during the holocaust, its only natural theyre uprise... of course i dont support terrorists but I do understand why some people feel there is no other choise, and the palestinian public sees that terror brings some political results if there was no intifada in 1989 the Israeli goverement could never agree to negotiate with palestinians in Madrid and later Oslo.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
There was a peace process going on at the time, although there were still bus bombings going on in Jerusalem throughout Oslo. Israel would ask the PA to arrest those in charge and they almost never did. When they finally did, under tremendous pressure from Israel and the US, they would let them go a few weeks later. The PA jails were considered "revolving doors."

When Arafat walked away from Camp David and Taba, I believe that his goal was to try and turn Israel into Lebanon, and to try and exact greater concessions from Israel through violence.

Lets remember the fact the Camp DAvid negotiations had no legitimacy because Israeli prime minister Barak went there without having a goverement, and with a 90-30 minoirty in the knesset so he had no right to disscus anything.
again I dont believe arafat is a saint or even a decent man, but during oslo, every terrorist attack was a response, the 94-95 attacks were a respond to The massacre that Baruch Goldstein commited in Hebron, and the 96 attacks were a response to the elimination on Ihie Ayash one of the leaders of the HAMAs.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Well it took the jews who were locked in the ghettos during the wwII 3 years to uprise against the nazis and many jews started fighthing guerrilla warfare against the german army I dont want to compare but today in palestine the situation pretty reminds the ghettos that jews were placed in during the holocaust, its only natural theyre uprise... of course i dont support terrorists but I do understand why some people feel there is no other choise,

But they did have a a diplomatic option. The two sides came very close at Taba, they discussed all the major areas for negotiation. Arafat could have said, it's not quite enough, this is a serious offer, but we will need to continue to negotiate. Instead, he walked away from the peace process chose the path of violence.


Originally posted by KSO
and the palestinian public sees that terror brings some political results if there was no intifada in 1989 the Israeli goverement could never agree to negotiate with palestinians in Madrid and later Oslo.
The whole world is starting to understand that terror brings results. Not a good precedent, but alas, it is what the world has learned.

As far as the 1987 intifada is concerned, I do not think Madrid and Oslo were a result of that uprising. Following the 1967 war, the Arab League got together at Khartoum and rejected an Israeli peace proposal that would have returned the Sinai to Egypt, the Golan Heights to Syria and almost all of the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians for the creation of their own country (something that neither Egypt or Jordan were willing to provide the Palestinians) . The League established the "three nos" policy: no to recognition of Israel, no to negotiations with Israel, and no to peace with Israel. This was the PLO's stated position up until Oslo.

What changed was not the intifada, but other things happening in the world, mainly that Egypt took the historic opportunity to change their position regarding peace with Israel (and Sadat was murdered for it), Jordan followed Egypt's lead, and most importantly, the U.S.S.R. collapsed, which had been the Arab League's great ally throughout the cold war. The Arabs took the wrong side during that War. Arafat was in a weakened position and Rabin took advantage of that position by basically throwing Arafat a life line in the hopes that the PLO would ultimately be willing to recognize Israel, compromise on their nationalist aims and make peace.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Lets remember the fact the Camp DAvid negotiations had no legitimacy because Israeli prime minister Barak went there without having a goverement, and with a 90-30 minoirty in the knesset so he had no right to disscus anything.
This is the first time I have ever heard anything like that before and it seems really doubtful. You really will have to provide me with some evidence to back up your claim here that they were only there to play footsies under the table.


Originally posted by KSO
again I dont believe arafat is a saint or even a decent man, but during oslo, every terrorist attack was a response, the 94-95 attacks were a respond to The massacre that Baruch Goldstein commited in Hebron, and the 96 attacks were a response to the elimination on Ihie Ayash one of the leaders of the HAMAs.

Sep 24 93 Yigal Vaknin was stabbed to death in an orchard near the trailer home where he lived near the village of Basra. A squad of the HAMAS' Iz a-Din al Kassam claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 9 93 Dror Forer and Aran Bachar were murdered by terrorists in Wadi Kelt in the Judean Desert. The Popular Front and the Islamic Jihad 'Al-Aqsa Squads' each publicly claimed responsibility.

Oct 24 93 Two IDF soldiers, Staff Sgt. (res.) Ehud Rot, age 35, and Sgt. Ilan Levi, age 23, were killed by a HAMAS Iz a-Din al Kassam squad. The two entered a Subaru with Israeli license plates outside a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, whose passengers were apparently terrorists disguised as Israelis. Following a brief struggle, the soldiers were shot at close range and killed. HAMAS publicly claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 29 93 Chaim Mizrahi, resident of Beit-El, was kidnapped by three terrorists from a poultry farm near Ramallah. He was murdered and his body burned. Three Fatah members were convicted of the murder on July 27, 1994.

Nov 7 93 Efraim Ayubi of Kfar Darom, Rabbi Chaim Druckman's personal driver, was shot to death by terrorists near Hebron. HAMAS publicly claimed responsibility for the murder.

Nov 9 93 Salman 'Id el-Hawashla, age 38, an Israeli Bedouin of the Abu Rekaik tribe who was driving a car with Israeli plates, was killed by three armed men driving a truck hijacked from the Gaza municipality, in a deliberate head-on collision.

Nov 17 93 Sgt. 1st Cl. Chaim Darina, age 37, was stabbed by a Gazan terrorist while seated at the cafeteria at the Nahal Oz road block at the entrance to the Gaza Strip. The perpetrator was apprehended. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the murder.

Dec 1 93 Shalva Ozana, age 23, and Yitzhak Weinstock, age 19, were shot to death by terrorists from a moving vehicle, while parked on the side of the road to Ramallah because of engine trouble. Weinstock died of his wounds the following morning. Iz a-Din al Kassam claimed responbility for the attack, stating that it was carried out in retaliation for the killing by Israeli forces of Imad Akel, a wanted HAMAS leader in Gaza.

Dec 5 93 David Mashrati, a reserve soldier, was shot and killed by a terrorist attempting to board a bus on route 641 at the Holon junction. The Islamic Jihad Shekaki gorup claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 6 93 Mordechai Lapid and his son Shalom Lapid, age 19, were shot to death by terrorists near Hebron. HAMAS publicly claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 22 93 Eliahu Levin and Meir Mendelovitch were killed by shots fired at their car from a passing vehicle in the Ramallah area. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

Dec 23 93 Anatoly Kolisnikov, an Ashdod resident employed as a relief watchman at a construction site there, was stabbed to death while on duty.

Dec 31 93 Chaim Weizman and David Bizi were found murdered in a Ramle apartment. ID cards of two Gaza residents were found in the apartment, together with a leaflet of the Popular Front 'Red Eagle' group, claiming responsibility for the murder.

Dec 24 93 Lieut.Col. Meir Mintz, commander of the IDF special forces in the Gaza area, was shot and killed by terrorists in an ambush on his jeep at the T-junction in Gaza. The HAMAS Iz a-Din al Kassam squads publicly claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 12 94 Moshe Becker of Rishon Le-Zion was stabbed to death by three Palestinian employees while working in his orchard. The Popular Front claimed responsibility for the murder.

Jan 14 94 Grigory Ivanov was stabbed to death by a terrorist in the industrial zone at the Erez junction, near the Gaza Strip. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 9 94 Ilan Sudri, a taxi driver, was kidnapped and murdered while returning home from work. The Islamic Jihad Shekaki group sent a message to the news agencies claiming responsibility for the murder.

Feb 10 94 Naftali Sahar, a citrus grower, was murdered by blows to his head. His body was found in his orchard near Kibbutz Na'an.

Feb 13 94 Noam Cohen, age 28, member of the General Security Service, was shot and killed in an ambush on his car. Two of his colleagues who were also in the vehicle suffered moderate injuries. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 17 94 Yuval Golan, stabbed on December 29, 1993 by a terrorist near Adarim in the Hebron area, died of his wounds.

Feb 19 94 Zipora Sasson, resident of Ariel and five months pregnant, was killed on the trans-Samaria highway in an ambush by shots fired at her car. The terrorists were members of HAMAS.

Feb 25 94 Sam Eisenstadt, age 80, was assaulted with an axe in the center of Kfar Saba. He died of his wounds shortly afterwards.

Mar 23 94 Victor Lashchiver, employed as a guard at the Income Tax offices in East Jerusalem, was shot and killed near Damascus Gate on his way to work. The Popular Front claimed responsibility for the attack.

Mar 29 94 Yitzhak Rothenberg, age 70 of Petah Tikva, was attacked on a construction site by two residents of Khan Yunis by axe blows to the head. He died several days later of his wounds. The murderers, apprehended the next day, stated that they carried out the attack in order to clear themselves of suspected collaboration with the Israeli authorities.

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Mar 31 94 Yosef Zandani, age 28 of Bnei Ayish, near Gedera, was found murdered in his apartment. Near the body was a leaflet of the DFLP "Red Star", explaining that the murder was carried out in revenge for the shooting of one of its members by an Israeli citizen. The Israeli acted in self-defense.

Apr 6 94 Asher Attia, 48, of Afula, bus driver; Vered Mordechai, 13, of Afula; Maya Elharar, 17, of Afula; Ilana Schreiber, 45, a teacher from Kibbutz Nir David; Meirav Ben-Moshe, 16, of Afula; Ayala Vahaba, 40, a teacher from Afula; and Fadiya Shalabi, 25, of Iksal were killed in a car-bomb attack on a bus in the center of Afula. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack. Ahuva Cohen Onalla, 37, wounded in the attack, died of her wounds on April 25.

Apr 7 94 Yishai Gadassi, age 32 of Kvutzat Yavne, was shot and killed at a hitchhiking post at the Ashdod junction by a member of HAMAS. The terrorist was killed by bystanders at the scene.

Apr 13 94 Rahamim Mazgauker, 34, of Hadera; David Moyal, 26 of Ramat Gan, an Egged mechanic; Daga Perda, 44, who immigrated from Ethiopia in 1991; Bilha Butin, 49, of Hadera; and Sgt. Ari Perlmutter, 19, of Ir Ovot in the Arava were killed in a suicide bombing attack on a bus in the central bus station of Hadera. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Apr 21 94 The body of officer cadet Shahar Simani, 20, of Ashkelon, was found stabbed to death near the roadside at the village of Beit Hanina, north of Jerusalem. He had been kidnapped while hitchhiking in the south.

May 17 94 Rafael Yairi (Klumfenbert), 36, of Kiryat Arba, and Margalit Ruth Shohat, 48, of Ma'ale Levona, were killed when their car was fired upon by by terrorists in a passing car near Beit Haggai, south of Hebron.

May 20 94 Staff Sgt. Moshe Bukra, 30, and Cpl. Erez Ben-Baruch, 24, were shot dead by HAMAS terrorists at a roadblock one kilometer south of the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip.

Jul 7 94 Sarit Prigal, 17, was shot to death when terrorists opened fire from a passing car near the entrance to Kiryat Arba.

Jul 7 94 The body of Arye Frankenthal, 20, from Moshav Gimzo near Lod, who had left his base in the south the previous day, was found stabbed and shot near the Arab village of Kafr Akab, near Ramallah.

Jul 19 94 Lt. Guy Ovadia, 23, of Kibbutz Yotvata, was fatally wounded in an ambush near Rafiah. HAMAS took responsibility for the attack, saying it was "a response to the massacre at the Erez checkpoint".

Jul 25 94 Border policeman Sgt.-Maj. Jacques Attias, 24, died of his wounds after being shot by Palestinian policemen during the riots at Erez checkpoint on July 17.

Aug 2 94 Yoram Sakuri, 30, of Kiryat Netafim in Samaria, died of stab wounds suffered when a terrorist broke into his home on July 1st.

Aug 14 94 Ron Soval, 18, of Lehavim, north of Beersheba, was shot to death in an ambush near Kissufim junction in the Gaza Strip. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Aug 26 94 Shlomo Kapach, 22, of Holon and Gil Revah, 21, of Bat Yam, elevator technicians, were murdered at a Ramle building site. Israel has requested the extradition of the suspected killers from the Palestinian Authority.

Sep 4 94 Sgt. Victor Shichman, 24, was killed at the Morag junction in the southern Gaza Strip while on patrol, from shots fired from a vehicle bearing Palestinian license plates.

Sep 94 Natasha Ivanov, 32, of Ashdod was strangled to death. In March 2001, a Palestinian arrested for being in Israel illegally, admitted to carrying out the murder in order to gain acceptance into a terrorist organization.

Oct 9 94 Ma'ayan Levy, 19, an off-duty soldier from Moshav Beit Zayit and Samir Mugrabi, 35, from Kafr Akab, in north Jerusalem, were killed in a terrorist attack in the Nahalat Shiva section of downtown Jerusalem. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 14 94 Cpl. Nahshon Wachsman, 20, who had been abducted by HAMAS, was murdered by his captors. Capt. Nir Poraz, 23, was killed in the course of the unsuccessful IDF rescue operation to obtain his release.

Oct 19 94 In a suicide bombing attack on the No. 5 bus on Dizengoff Street in Tel-Aviv, 21 Israelis and one Dutch national were killed: Haviv Tishbi, 54, of Tel Aviv; Moshe Gardinger, 83, of Tel Aviv; Pnina Rapaport, 74, of Tel Aviv; Galit Rosen, 23, of Holon; Zippora Ariel, 64, of Tel Aviv; David Lida, 74, of Tel Aviv; Puah Yedgar, 56, of Givatayim; Dalia Ashkenazi, 62, of Tel; Aviv Esther Sharon, 21, of Lod; Ofra Ben-Naim, 33, of Lod; Tamar Karlibach-Sapir, 24, of Moshav Zafaria; Shira Meroz-Kot, 20, of Kibbutz Beit Haa; Miriam Adaf, 54, of Sderot; Anat Rosen, 21, of Ra'anana; Salah Ovadia, 52, of Holon; Eliahu Wasserman, 66, of Bat Yam; Alexandra Sapirstein, 55, of Holon; Dr. Pierre Atlas, 56, of Kiryat Ono; Ella Volkov, 21, of Safed; Ayelet Langer-Alkobi, 26, of Kibbutz Yiron; Kochava Biton, 59, of Tel Aviv; Rinier Yurest, 23, of the Netherlands.

Nov 11 94 Capt. Yehazkel Sapir, 36, of Kfar Sava; Lt. Yotam Rahat, 31, of Tel-Aviv; and Capt. Elad Dror, 24, of Kibbutz Nachson were killed at the Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip when a Palestinian riding a bicycle detonated explosives strapped to his body. Islamic Jihad said it carried out the attack to avenge the car bomb killing of Islamic Jihad leader Hani Abed on Nov 2.

Nov 19 94 Sgt.-Maj. Gil Dadon, 26, of Bat Yam, was killed at the army post at Netzarim junction by shots fired from a passing car. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nov 27 94 Rabbi Amiran Olami, 34, of Otniel was killed near Beit Hagai 10 kms south of Hebron by shots fired from a passing car.

Nov 30 94 Sgt. Liat Gabai, 19, of Afula, was axed to death in the center of Afula.

Jan 6 95 Ofra Felix, 20, of Beit El, a university student, was killed when terrorists opened fire on her car north of Beit El.

Jan 22 95 Two consecutive bombs exploded at the Beit Lid junction near Netanya, killing 18 soldiers and one civilian. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The soldiers killed were: Lt. David Ben-Zino, 20, of Ashdod; Lt. Adi Rosen, 20, of Moshav Bitzaron; Lt. Yuval Tuvya, 22, of Jerusalem; Sgt.-Maj. Anan Kadur, 24, of Daliat al-Carmel; Staff-Sgt. Damian Rosovski, 20, of Kadima; Staff-Sgt. Yehiel Sharvit, 21, of Haifa; Staff-Sgt. Yaron Blum, 20, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Maya Kopstein, 19, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Daniel Tzikuashvili, 19, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Avi Salto, 19, of Rishon Lezion; Sgt. Rafael Mizrahi, 19, of Ramat Gan; Sgt. Eran Gueta, 20, of Ashkelon; Cpl. Soli Mizrahi, 18, of Ramat Ramat Gan; Cpl. David Hasson, 18, of Ashkelon; Cpl. Amir Hirschenson, 18, of Jerusalem; Cpl. Gilad Gaon, 18, of Herzliya; Cpl. Ilie Dagan, 18, of Kochav Yair; Cpl. Eitan Peretz, 18, of Nahariya; and Shabtai Mahpud, 34, of Moshav Tnuvot.
Lt. Eyal Levy, 20, of Ashdod, and Cpl. Yaniv Weiser, 18, of Givatayim, who were seriously wounded in the attacks, later died of their wounds.

Feb 6 95 Yevgeny Gromov, 32, of Ashkelon, a security guard, was killed when terrorists opened fire from a passing car on the Gaza bypass road between Jabalya and Gaza City, as he was escorting a gasoline truck to a Gaza Strip filling station.

Feb 13 95 Rafael Cohen, 35, of Jerusalem, a taxi driver, was fatally stabbed on the Jerusalem-Ma'aleh Adumim road.

Mar 19 95 Nahum Hoss, 32, of Hebron and Yehuda Fartush, 41, of Kiryat Arba, were killed when terrorists fired on an Egged bus near the entrance to Hebron.

Mar 29 95 Police Insp. Nitzan Cohen, 22, of Jerusalem and Sgt.-Maj. Jamal Suwitat from Makr village in Western Galilee were killed when a Palestinian driver rammed his truck into their jeep in a convoy east of the Netzarim junction in Gaza.

Apr 9 95 Staff-Sgt. Yuval Regev, 20, of Holon; Staff-Sgt. Meir Scheinwald, 20, of Safed; Sgt. Itai Diener, 19, of Rishon Lezion; Sgt. Zvi Narbat, 19, of Rishon Lezion; Sgt. Netta Sufrin, 20, of Rishon Lezion; Cpl. Tal Nir, 19, of Kibbutz Miflasim; Sgt. Avraham Arditi, 19, of Jerusalem; and Alisa Flatow, 20, of the United States were killed when a bus was hit by an explosives-laden van near Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jul 18 95 Ohad Bachrach, 18, of Beit El, and Ori Shahor, 20, of Ra'anana, were killed while hiking in Wadi Kelt.

Jul 24 95 Moshe Shkedi, 75, of Ramat Gan; Rahel Tamari, 65, of Tel Aviv; Zviya Cohen, 62, of Tel Aviv; Zahava Oren, 60, of Tel Aviv; Nehama Lubowitz, 61, of Tel Aviv; and Mordechai Tovia, 37, of Tel Aviv were killed in a suicide bomb attack on a bus in Ramat Gan.

Aug 21 95 Rivka Cohen, 26, of Jerusalem; Hannah Naeh, 56, of Jerusalem; Joan Davenney, 46, of Connecticut; and Police Chief Superintendent Noam Eisenman, 35, of Jerusalem were killed in a suicide bombing of a Jerusalem bus.

Sep 5 95 Daniel Frei, 28, of Ma'aleh Michmash, was stabbed to death when a terrorist broke into his home at night.

Jan 16 96 Sgt. Yaniv Shimel and Major Oz Tibon, both of Jerusalem, were killed when terrorists fired on their car on the Hebron-Jerusalem road.

Jan 30 96 Staff Sgt. Ehud Tal, 21, of Kibbutz Maoz Haim, was stabbed to death at the liaison office in an army camp south of Jenin.

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Feb 25 96 In a suicide bombing of bus No. 18 near the Central Bus Station in Jerusalem, 26 were killed (17 civilians and 9 soldiers).
The civilians:
Daniel Biton, 42; Yitzhak Elbaz, 57, Boris Sharpolinsky, 64; Semion Trakashvili, 60; Yitzhak Yakhnis, 54; Peretz Gantz, 61; Anatoly and Jana Kushnirov, 36 and 37; Masuda Amar, 59; Swietlana Gelezniak, 32; Celine Zaguri, 19 - all of Jerusalem; Navon Shabo, 22, of Bnei Brak; Michael Yerigin, 16, of Kibbutz Maabarot; Matthew Eisenfeld, 25 and Sara Duker, 23, of the United States.
Wael Kawasmeh, 23, of East Jerusalem, and Ira Yitzhak Weinstein, 53, of Maaleh Adumim, later died of their wounds.
The soldiers:
Sgt. Yonatan Barnea, 20; St-Sgt. Gavriel Krauss, 24; St.-Sgt. Gadi Shiloni, 22; Cpl. Moshe Reuven, 19; St.-Sgt. Maj. (res.) Arye Barashi, 39; Cpl. Iliya Nimotin, 19; Cpl. Merav Nahum, 19; Sgt. Sharon Hanuka, 19; Arik Gaby, 16 (student in pre-army boarding school) - all of Jerusalem.
HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 25 96 Sgt. Hofit Ayyash, 20, of Ashdod was killed in an explosion set off by a suicide bomber at a hitchhiking post oustide Ashkelon. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 26 96 Flora Yehiel, 28, of Kiryat Ata, was killed when a car was driven into a bus stop at the French Hill junction in Jerusalem.

Mar 3 96 In a suicide bombing of bus No. 18 on Jaffa Road in Jerusalem, 19 were killed (16 civilians and 3 soldiers).
The civilians:
Maya Birkan, 59; Naima Zargary, 66; Gavriel Shamashvili, 43; Shemtov Sheikh, 63; Anna Shingeloff, 36; Raya Daushvili, 55; George Yonan, 38 - all of Jerusalem; Sarina Angel, 45, of Beit Jalla; Gidi Taspanish, 23, a tourist from Ethiopia; Valerian Krasyon, 44, a tourist from Romania; Dominic Lunca, 29; Daniel Patenka, 33; Marian Grefan, 40; Mirze Gifa, 39; Dimitru Kokarascu, 43 - all Romanian workers.
Imar Ambrose, 51, of Romania, died on March 9.
The soldiers:
Sgt. Yoni Levy, 21, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Haim Amedi, 19, of Jerusalem; Senior NCO Uzi Cohen, 54, border policeman of Jerusalem.

Mar 4 96 Outside Dizengoff Center in Tel-Aviv, a suicide bomber detonated a 20-kilogram nail bomb, killing 13 (12 civilians and 1 soldier):
Bat-Hen Shahak, 15, of Tel Mond; Hadas Dror, 15, of Tel Mond; Kobi Zaharon, 13, of Tel Aviv; Inbar Atiya, 21, of Ramat-Efal; Dan Tversky, 58, of Tel Aviv; Dana Gutman, 14, of Moshav Mishmeret; Yovav Levy, 13, of Tel Aviv; Leah Mizrahi, 60, of Tel Aviv; Tali Gordon, 24, of Givatayim; Rahel Sela, 82, of Tel Aviv; Sylvia Bernstein, 73, of Hod Hasharon; Gail Belkin, 48, of Herzliya; St.-Sgt. Assaf Wachs, 21, of Holon.

May 14 96 David Baum, 17, a yeshiva high school student in Beit El, was killed when terrorists fired at students at a hitchhiking post at Beil El, near Ramallah.

Jun 9 96 Yaron (26) and Efrat (25) Unger, of Kiryat Arba, were killed when terrorists fired on their car near Beit Shemesh.

Jun 16 96 First-Sgt. Meir Alush, 40, an off-duty policeman, was shot and killed in a toy store in the village of Bidiya.

Jun 26 96 Staff Sgt. (Res.) Asher Berdugo, 22, of Kiryat Bialik; Sgt. Ashraf Shibli, 20, of Shibli; and Cpl. (Res.) Ya'acov Turgeman of Rishon Lezion were killed in an ambush along the Jordan River north of Jericho by terrorists who infiltrated from Jordan.

Jul 26 96 Uri Munk, 53, and his daughter-in-law, Rachel Munk, 24, of Moshav Mevo Betar, were killed in a drive-by shooting attack near Beit Shemesh. 30-year-old Ze'ev Munk, Rachel's husband, was critically wounded and died in the hospital the following week.

Dec 11 96 Etta Tzur, 48, and her son Ephraim, 12, were killed when their car was shot at by terrorists near Surda, west of Beit El.

Mar 21 97 Michal Avrahami, 32, Yael Gilad, 32, and Anat Winter-Rosen, 32, were killed when a suicide bomber detonated a bomb on the terrace of a Tel Aviv cafe. 48 people were wounded.

Apr 10 97 The body of IDF Staff-Sgt. Sharon Edri, missing for seven months, was found buried near the West Bank village of Kfar Tzurif. Edri had been kidnapped and murdered by a Hamas terrorist cell in September 1996 while hitchiking to his home in Moshav Zanoah.

Apr 25 97 Hagit Zavitzky, 23, of Kfar Adumim and Liat Kastiel, 23, of Holon were found stabbed to death in Wadi Kelt.

Jul 30 97 16 people were killed and 178 wounded in two consecutive suicide bombings in the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem:
Lev Desyatnik, 60, of Jerusalem; Regina Giber, 76, of Jerusalem; Valentina Kovalenko, 67, of Jerusalem; Shmuel Malka, 44, of Mevaseret Zion; David Nasco, 44, of Mevaseret Zion; Muhi A-din Othman, 33, of Abu Ghosh; Simha Fremd, 92, of Jerusalem; Grisha Paskhovitz, 15, of Jerusalem; Leah Stern, 50, of Jerusalem; Rachel Tejgatrio, 80, of Jerusalem; Liliya Zelezniak, 47, of Jerusalem; Shalom (Golan) Zevulun, 52, of Jerusalem; Mark Rabinowitz, 80, of Jerusalem.
Eli Adourian, 49, of Kfar Adumim, died of his wounds on August 11. Ilia Gazrach, 73, of Pisgat Ze'ev, died on August 29. Baruch Ostrovsky, 84, of Jerusalem died on October 3.

Sep 4 97 Five people were killed and 181 wounded in three suicide bombings on the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem.
The victims: Yael Botwin, 14; Sivan Zarka, 14; Smadar Elhanan, 14; Rami Kozashvili, 20; and Eliahu Markowitz, 40 - all of Jerusalem.

Nov 19 97 Gabriel Hirschberg, 26, was killed by automatic gunfire in the Old City of Jerusalem.

Jan 6 98 Yael Meivar, 25, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a terrorist attack on Dec 31, 1997 near the settlement of Alei Zahav in Samaria.

Feb 11 98 David Ktorza, 40, of Jerusalem, was stabbed to death near his home.

May 6 98 Haim Kerman, 28, was stabbed to death in the Old City of Jerusalem.

Aug 5 98 Harel Bin-Nun, 18, and Shlomo Liebman, 24, were shot and killed in an ambush by terrorists while on patrol at the Yizhar settlement in Samaria.

Aug 20 98 Rabbi Shlomo Ra'anan, 63, was stabbed to death in the bedroom of his caravan in Hebron.

Oct 9 98 IDF soldier Michal Adato, 19, was stabbed to death at Moshav Tomer in the Jordan Valley.

Oct 14 98 Itamar Doron, 24, was shot to death near Moshav Ora, outside Jerusalem.

Oct 26 98 Danny Vargas, 29, of Kiryat Arba was shot to death in Hebron.

Oct 29 98 Sergeant Alexey Neykov, 19, was killed when a terrorist drove an explosives-laden car into an Israeli army jeep escorting a bus with 40 elementary school students from the settlement of Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip.

Jan 13 99 Sergeant Yehoshua Gavriel, 25, of Ashdod, was killed when terrorists opened fire at the Othniel junction near Hebron.

Aug 7 99 The body of an Israeli, shot in the head, was found in a burned vehicle.

Aug 30 99 Yehiel Finfeter, 25, of Kiryat Motzkin, and Sharon Steinmetz, 21, of Haifa, were murdered whlie hiking in the Megiddo region.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html

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Originally posted by Mira
But they did have a a diplomatic option. The two sides came very close at Taba, they discussed all the major areas for negotiation. Arafat could have said, it's not quite enough, this is a serious offer, but we will need to continue to negotiate. Instead, he walked away from the peace process chose the path of violence.



The whole world is starting to understand that terror brings results. Not a good precedent, but alas, it is what the world has learned.

As far as the 1987 intifada is concerned, I do not think Madrid and Oslo were a result of that uprising. Following the 1967 war, the Arab League got together at Khartoum and rejected an Israeli peace proposal that would have returned the Sinai to Egypt, the Golan Heights to Syria and almost all of the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians for the creation of their own country (something that neither Egypt or Jordan were willing to provide the Palestinians) . The League established the "three nos" policy: no to recognition of Israel, no to negotiations with Israel, and no to peace with Israel. This was the PLO's stated position up until Oslo.

What changed was not the intifada, but other things happening in the world, mainly that Egypt took the historic opportunity to change their position regarding peace with Israel (and Sadat was murdered for it), Jordan followed Egypt's lead, and most importantly, the U.S.S.R. collapsed, which had been the Arab League's great ally throughout the cold war. The Arabs took the wrong side during that War. Arafat was in a weakened position and Rabin took advantage of that position by basically throwing Arafat a life line in the hopes that the PLO would ultimately be willing to recognize Israel, compromise on their nationalist aims and make peace.

PLO recognized Israel just like most of the Arab countries... In 1993 Arafat was in the height of his popularity he was considered by the PAL public as a massiah who bravely fought for his nation and now returning to save his people and lead them to a better future, his popularity fell when he actualy ruled for a couple of years...

We will never know what happened in camp david, unless a truthfull source will tell it, you can take the Israeli side (Arafat walked out) The palestinian side (Barak didnt offered what he said later he offered) or clintons side (I did not have sex with that woman :D )
I chose believe none of the sides and to think that the truth is somewhere in the middle, also lets not forget that the arabs are not the only one who oppose peaceful resolutions, and in fact in 1972 Golda Meir rejected purposals by Saddat to sit at the negotiating table.

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Originally posted by Mira
Feb 25 96 In a suicide bombing of bus No. 18 near the Central Bus Station in Jerusalem, 26 were killed (17 civilians and 9 soldiers).
The civilians:
Daniel Biton, 42; Yitzhak Elbaz, 57, Boris Sharpolinsky, 64; Semion Trakashvili, 60; Yitzhak Yakhnis, 54; Peretz Gantz, 61; Anatoly and Jana Kushnirov, 36 and 37; Masuda Amar, 59; Swietlana Gelezniak, 32; Celine Zaguri, 19 - all of Jerusalem; Navon Shabo, 22, of Bnei Brak; Michael Yerigin, 16, of Kibbutz Maabarot; Matthew Eisenfeld, 25 and Sara Duker, 23, of the United States.
Wael Kawasmeh, 23, of East Jerusalem, and Ira Yitzhak Weinstein, 53, of Maaleh Adumim, later died of their wounds.
The soldiers:
Sgt. Yonatan Barnea, 20; St-Sgt. Gavriel Krauss, 24; St.-Sgt. Gadi Shiloni, 22; Cpl. Moshe Reuven, 19; St.-Sgt. Maj. (res.) Arye Barashi, 39; Cpl. Iliya Nimotin, 19; Cpl. Merav Nahum, 19; Sgt. Sharon Hanuka, 19; Arik Gaby, 16 (student in pre-army boarding school) - all of Jerusalem.
HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 25 96 Sgt. Hofit Ayyash, 20, of Ashdod was killed in an explosion set off by a suicide bomber at a hitchhiking post oustide Ashkelon. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 26 96 Flora Yehiel, 28, of Kiryat Ata, was killed when a car was driven into a bus stop at the French Hill junction in Jerusalem.

Mar 3 96 In a suicide bombing of bus No. 18 on Jaffa Road in Jerusalem, 19 were killed (16 civilians and 3 soldiers).
The civilians:
Maya Birkan, 59; Naima Zargary, 66; Gavriel Shamashvili, 43; Shemtov Sheikh, 63; Anna Shingeloff, 36; Raya Daushvili, 55; George Yonan, 38 - all of Jerusalem; Sarina Angel, 45, of Beit Jalla; Gidi Taspanish, 23, a tourist from Ethiopia; Valerian Krasyon, 44, a tourist from Romania; Dominic Lunca, 29; Daniel Patenka, 33; Marian Grefan, 40; Mirze Gifa, 39; Dimitru Kokarascu, 43 - all Romanian workers.
Imar Ambrose, 51, of Romania, died on March 9.
The soldiers:
Sgt. Yoni Levy, 21, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Haim Amedi, 19, of Jerusalem; Senior NCO Uzi Cohen, 54, border policeman of Jerusalem.

Mar 4 96 Outside Dizengoff Center in Tel-Aviv, a suicide bomber detonated a 20-kilogram nail bomb, killing 13 (12 civilians and 1 soldier):
Bat-Hen Shahak, 15, of Tel Mond; Hadas Dror, 15, of Tel Mond; Kobi Zaharon, 13, of Tel Aviv; Inbar Atiya, 21, of Ramat-Efal; Dan Tversky, 58, of Tel Aviv; Dana Gutman, 14, of Moshav Mishmeret; Yovav Levy, 13, of Tel Aviv; Leah Mizrahi, 60, of Tel Aviv; Tali Gordon, 24, of Givatayim; Rahel Sela, 82, of Tel Aviv; Sylvia Bernstein, 73, of Hod Hasharon; Gail Belkin, 48, of Herzliya; St.-Sgt. Assaf Wachs, 21, of Holon.

May 14 96 David Baum, 17, a yeshiva high school student in Beit El, was killed when terrorists fired at students at a hitchhiking post at Beil El, near Ramallah.

Jun 9 96 Yaron (26) and Efrat (25) Unger, of Kiryat Arba, were killed when terrorists fired on their car near Beit Shemesh.

Jun 16 96 First-Sgt. Meir Alush, 40, an off-duty policeman, was shot and killed in a toy store in the village of Bidiya.

Jun 26 96 Staff Sgt. (Res.) Asher Berdugo, 22, of Kiryat Bialik; Sgt. Ashraf Shibli, 20, of Shibli; and Cpl. (Res.) Ya'acov Turgeman of Rishon Lezion were killed in an ambush along the Jordan River north of Jericho by terrorists who infiltrated from Jordan.

Jul 26 96 Uri Munk, 53, and his daughter-in-law, Rachel Munk, 24, of Moshav Mevo Betar, were killed in a drive-by shooting attack near Beit Shemesh. 30-year-old Ze'ev Munk, Rachel's husband, was critically wounded and died in the hospital the following week.

Dec 11 96 Etta Tzur, 48, and her son Ephraim, 12, were killed when their car was shot at by terrorists near Surda, west of Beit El.

Mar 21 97 Michal Avrahami, 32, Yael Gilad, 32, and Anat Winter-Rosen, 32, were killed when a suicide bomber detonated a bomb on the terrace of a Tel Aviv cafe. 48 people were wounded.

Apr 10 97 The body of IDF Staff-Sgt. Sharon Edri, missing for seven months, was found buried near the West Bank village of Kfar Tzurif. Edri had been kidnapped and murdered by a Hamas terrorist cell in September 1996 while hitchiking to his home in Moshav Zanoah.

Apr 25 97 Hagit Zavitzky, 23, of Kfar Adumim and Liat Kastiel, 23, of Holon were found stabbed to death in Wadi Kelt.

Jul 30 97 16 people were killed and 178 wounded in two consecutive suicide bombings in the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem:
Lev Desyatnik, 60, of Jerusalem; Regina Giber, 76, of Jerusalem; Valentina Kovalenko, 67, of Jerusalem; Shmuel Malka, 44, of Mevaseret Zion; David Nasco, 44, of Mevaseret Zion; Muhi A-din Othman, 33, of Abu Ghosh; Simha Fremd, 92, of Jerusalem; Grisha Paskhovitz, 15, of Jerusalem; Leah Stern, 50, of Jerusalem; Rachel Tejgatrio, 80, of Jerusalem; Liliya Zelezniak, 47, of Jerusalem; Shalom (Golan) Zevulun, 52, of Jerusalem; Mark Rabinowitz, 80, of Jerusalem.
Eli Adourian, 49, of Kfar Adumim, died of his wounds on August 11. Ilia Gazrach, 73, of Pisgat Ze'ev, died on August 29. Baruch Ostrovsky, 84, of Jerusalem died on October 3.

Sep 4 97 Five people were killed and 181 wounded in three suicide bombings on the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem.
The victims: Yael Botwin, 14; Sivan Zarka, 14; Smadar Elhanan, 14; Rami Kozashvili, 20; and Eliahu Markowitz, 40 - all of Jerusalem.

Nov 19 97 Gabriel Hirschberg, 26, was killed by automatic gunfire in the Old City of Jerusalem.

Jan 6 98 Yael Meivar, 25, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a terrorist attack on Dec 31, 1997 near the settlement of Alei Zahav in Samaria.

Feb 11 98 David Ktorza, 40, of Jerusalem, was stabbed to death near his home.

May 6 98 Haim Kerman, 28, was stabbed to death in the Old City of Jerusalem.

Aug 5 98 Harel Bin-Nun, 18, and Shlomo Liebman, 24, were shot and killed in an ambush by terrorists while on patrol at the Yizhar settlement in Samaria.

Aug 20 98 Rabbi Shlomo Ra'anan, 63, was stabbed to death in the bedroom of his caravan in Hebron.

Oct 9 98 IDF soldier Michal Adato, 19, was stabbed to death at Moshav Tomer in the Jordan Valley.

Oct 14 98 Itamar Doron, 24, was shot to death near Moshav Ora, outside Jerusalem.

Oct 26 98 Danny Vargas, 29, of Kiryat Arba was shot to death in Hebron.

Oct 29 98 Sergeant Alexey Neykov, 19, was killed when a terrorist drove an explosives-laden car into an Israeli army jeep escorting a bus with 40 elementary school students from the settlement of Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip.

Jan 13 99 Sergeant Yehoshua Gavriel, 25, of Ashdod, was killed when terrorists opened fire at the Othniel junction near Hebron.

Aug 7 99 The body of an Israeli, shot in the head, was found in a burned vehicle.

Aug 30 99 Yehiel Finfeter, 25, of Kiryat Motzkin, and Sharon Steinmetz, 21, of Haifa, were murdered whlie hiking in the Megiddo region.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html



Again Im not defending terror or terrorists, but im not defending the actions that my country does to the people in the occupied territories, i'm as an Israeli cant be sutisfied by the fact that the other side are scumbags too, I dont want my country to be scumbags, I dont want criminal acts like home demolishing or land confiscation done by my country... I do hope the PAL's will understand that the best way to achieve their goals is by peaceful protest, but present terror as the root of the conflict is wrong and misleading, Land is the root of the conflict and fighting terrorists is just a reason that the Israeli goverement uses in the last decade or two.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by KSO
PLO recognized Israel just like most of the Arab countries... In 1993 Arafat was in the height of his popularity he was considered by the PAL public as a massiah who bravely fought for his nation and now returning to save his people and lead them to a better future, his popularity fell when he actualy ruled for a couple of years...

We will never know what happened in camp david, unless a truthfull source will tell it, you can take the Israeli side (Arafat walked out) The palestinian side (Barak didnt offered what he said later he offered) or clintons side (I did not have sex with that woman :D )
I chose believe none of the sides and to think that the truth is somewhere in the middle, also lets not forget that the arabs are not the only one who oppose peaceful resolutions, and in fact in 1972 Golda Meir rejected purposals by Saddat to sit at the negotiating table.

This is not true. After the Palestinians walked out of the negotiations without even bothering to make a counter-offer, Arafat gave an interview and explained why he walked out. He had two complaints. The first was about the "Judaizing of Jerusalem." Since he was offered part of Jerusalem, the only way to interpret this is that he demanded a return to the pre-1967 lines, which would allow him to control access to the Western Wall.

The other issue was the "right of return." This is simply a Trojan Horse strategy.

You want so badly to believe that peace is possible with an enemy that wants to destroy you that you are willing to ignore the facts. The PLO played cat-and-mouse over recognizing Israel and ending its call for Israel's destruction. Even when the PLO seemed to say it had accepted a peaceful solution, individual leaders were running around the Arab world saying that it was all part of a two-stage strategy.

But the final proof that the PA was only trying to extract concessions to pave the way to victory was the fact that they completely abrogated all previous agreements by starting a war.

As for Saddat, after years of wars of aggression the side being attacked has every right to set conditions for negotiations. Notice the Arabs are always offering some vague peace or recognition if Israel withdraws to the "1967 borders" that they never recognized.

Wake up: a cultural that celebrates the intentional and brutal murder of defenseless civilians does not just suddenly embrace peace. It's perfectly reasonable to demand they demonstrate good faith. There is a "Roadmap to peace" and the Palestinians refuse to take the first step.

[KSO]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
This is not true. After the Palestinians walked out of the negotiations without even bothering to make a counter-offer, Arafat gave an interview and explained why he walked out. He had two complaints. The first was about the "Judaizing of Jerusalem." Since he was offered part of Jerusalem, the only way to interpret this is that he demanded a return to the pre-1967 lines, which would allow him to control access to the Western Wall.

The other issue was the "right of return." This is simply a Trojan Horse strategy.

You want so badly to believe that peace is possible with an enemy that wants to destroy you that you are willing to ignore the facts. The PLO played cat-and-mouse over recognizing Israel and ending its call for Israel's destruction. Even when the PLO seemed to say it had accepted a peaceful solution, individual leaders were running around the Arab world saying that it was all part of a two-stage strategy.

But the final proof that the PA was only trying to extract concessions to pave the way to victory was the fact that they completely abrogated all previous agreements by starting a war.

As for Saddat, after years of wars of aggression the side being attacked has every right to set conditions for negotiations. Notice the Arabs are always offering some vague peace or recognition if Israel withdraws to the "1967 borders" that they never recognized.

Wake up: a cultural that celebrates the intentional and brutal murder of defenseless civilians does not just suddenly embrace peace. It's perfectly reasonable to demand they demonstrate good faith. There is a "Roadmap to peace" and the Palestinians refuse to take the first step.

You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Just note that I don't hate Arabs. On the contrary. Personally, I am much more at ease with them, and especially with the Bedouin, than with Jews. Those Arabs we haven't yet spoilt are proud people, they are irrational, cruel and generous. It's the Yids that are all twisted. In order to straighten them out you have to first bend them sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology.

"Call Israel by any name you like, call it a Judeo-Nazi state as does Leibowitz. Why not? Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint. I don't care whether I am like Ghadafi. I am not after the admiration of the gentiles. I don't need their love. I don't need to be loved by Jews like you either. I have to live, and I intend to ensure that my children will live as well. With or without the blessing of the Pope and the other religious leaders from the New York Times. I will destroy anyone who will raise a hand against my children, I will destroy him and his children, with or without our famous purity of arms. I don't care if he is Christian, Muslim, Jewish or pagan. History teaches us that he who won't kill will be killed by others. That is an iron law.

"Even if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even the PLO, even then I don't care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the so-called civilised world.

"We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality, the moral lessons of the holocaust or about the Jews who were supposed to have emerged from the gas chambers pure and virtuous. No more of that. The destruction of Eyn Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in their camps which we should have committed with our own delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all these good deeds finally killed the talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance."

"I personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or Brezhnev or Ghadafi or Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry Truman who killed half a million Japanese with two fine bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and more efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are. Tell me, do the baddies of this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness instead of admiring my nobility. Thank god for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered - just one! That we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! If anything would happen to your child, god forbid, you would talk like I do. Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot, or even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we might start World War Three just like that !"
(Interview with Ariel Sharon published in the Israeli daily Davar Dec. 17, 1982)

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
It's the Yids that are all twisted. In order to straighten them out you have to first bend them sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology.

Don't ban the troll. But please help me find him so I can choke him. Another pussssssie behind the keyboard with an axe to grind.

The internet may be far too generous, but I am not.

Here is your friend Mira.

[KSO]

Originally posted by KSO
You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Just note that I don't hate Arabs. On the contrary. Personally, I am much more at ease with them, and especially with the Bedouin, than with Jews. Those Arabs we haven't yet spoilt are proud people, they are irrational, cruel and generous. It's the Yids that are all twisted. In order to straighten them out you have to first bend them sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology.

"Call Israel by any name you like, call it a Judeo-Nazi state as does Leibowitz. Why not? Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint. I don't care whether I am like Ghadafi. I am not after the admiration of the gentiles. I don't need their love. I don't need to be loved by Jews like you either. I have to live, and I intend to ensure that my children will live as well. With or without the blessing of the Pope and the other religious leaders from the New York Times. I will destroy anyone who will raise a hand against my children, I will destroy him and his children, with or without our famous purity of arms. I don't care if he is Christian, Muslim, Jewish or pagan. History teaches us that he who won't kill will be killed by others. That is an iron law.

"Even if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even the PLO, even then I don't care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the so-called civilised world.

"We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality, the moral lessons of the holocaust or about the Jews who were supposed to have emerged from the gas chambers pure and virtuous. No more of that. The destruction of Eyn Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in their camps which we should have committed with our own delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all these good deeds finally killed the talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance."

"I personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or Brezhnev or Ghadafi or Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry Truman who killed half a million Japanese with two fine bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and more efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are. Tell me, do the baddies of this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness instead of admiring my nobility. Thank god for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered - just one! That we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! If anything would happen to your child, god forbid, you would talk like I do. Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot, or even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we might start World War Three just like that !"
(Interview with Ariel Sharon published in the Israeli daily Davar Dec. 17, 1982)
----------AND HE GOES ON...----------------------
Leibowitz is right, we are Judeo-Nazis, and why not? Listen, a people that gave itself up to be slaughtered, a people that let soap to be made of its children and lamp shades from the skin of its women is a worse criminal than its murderers. Worse than the Nazis...If your nice civilised parents had come here in time instead of writing books about the love for humanity and singing Hear O Israel on the way to the gas chambers, now don't be shocked, if they instead had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million!

"Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care. And I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. Then you can spruce up your Jewish conscience and enter the respectable club of civilised nations, nations that are large and healthy. What you lot don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it. True, it could have been finished in 1948, but you interfered, you stopped it. And all this because of the Jewishness in your souls, because of your Diaspora mentality. For the Jews don't grasp things quickly. If you open your eyes and look around the world you will see that darkness is falling again. And we know what happens to a Jew who stays out in the dark. So I am glad that this small war in Lebanon frightened the Yids. Let them be afraid, let them suffer. They should hurry home before it gets really dark. So I am an anti-Semite ? Fine. So don't quote me, quote Lilienblum instead [an early Russian Zionist - ed.]. There is no need to quote an anti-Semite. Quote Lilienblum, and he is definitely not an anti-Semite, there is even a street in Tel Aviv named after him. (C. quotes from a small notebook that was lying on his table when I arrived:) 'Is all that is happening not a clear sign that our forefathers and ourselves...wanted and still want to be disgraced? That we enjoy living like gypsies.' That's Lilienblum. Not me. Believe me. I went through the Zionist literature, I can prove what I say.

"And you can write that I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the contrary. Let's make a deal: I will do all I can to expel the Arabs from here, I will do all I can to increase anti-semitism, and you will write poems and essays about the misery of the Arabs and be prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to flee to this country and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles. How about it ?"

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Don't ban the troll. But please help me find him so I can choke him. Another pussssssie behind the keyboard with an axe to grind.

The internet may be far too generous, but I am not.

Here is your friend Mira.

Dont you see it's a quote by your friend Ariel Sharon?

[Mira~]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Don't ban the troll. But please help me find him so I can choke him. Another pussssssie behind the keyboard with an axe to grind.

The internet may be far too generous, but I am not.

Here is your friend Mira.

No problem, minus!


KSO, I want to show you something:

The article that you posted is attributed to Amos Oz. Here:

http://www.iap.org/sharonisvile.htm

You will see that it is the exact article, word for word, that you posted.


Now I want you to see something else. It is a forgery, a lie. Here:

FACT:

Amos Oz never met nor interviewed Sharon. In fact, the so-called “interview” was a literary device taken from Oz's book “In the Land of Israel.” In the English version, the interviewee's identity is not revealed, and is referred to as Z (Flamingo/Fontana 1983).

Apparently, Palestinian propagandists substituted Sharon's name for Z in the Davar interview. The description of Z does not fit Sharon, and at one point Z refers to Sharon, Begin and General Eitan.

In a telephone conversation with journalist Holger Jensen, who had misattributed these quotes to Sharon, Amos Oz confirmed that he had never met nor interviewed Sharon. For more information on Holger Jensen's misuse of these quotes in the Denver Rocky Mountain News (“Obsessed Sharon applies brutal philosophy to advance Zionism,” April 13, 2002), read CAMERA's update on Holger Jensen's resignation.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=372&x_context=7


I was just stopping in quickly. I have to leave again. I will comment further on your other posts. Bye for now.

[cerulean]

That isn't Sharon.
That's been disproven already on this forum (I did the research a couple years ago).
Search down the link.
Edit: Thanks Mira for doing the research again!

[Mediocrates]

KSO-

Do drug lords deserve to kill people at will? After all they are merely products of their oppressive environment.

While I'm sure you want to look at the world strictly in terms of victims and heroes I'm not so sure "Jews Bad, Hulk Angry" is really a fleshed out thoughtful approach.


BTW I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone else. If 9% of the population of YESHA being Jewish is tantamount to a warcrime, what's your working acceptable number? 5%?, 3%? 1%? zero?

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
KSO-

Do drug lords deserve to kill people at will? After all they are merely products of their oppressive environment.

While I'm sure you want to look at the world strictly in terms of victims and heroes I'm not so sure "Jews Bad, Hulk Angry" is really a fleshed out thoughtful approach.


BTW I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone else. If 9% of the population of YESHA being Jewish is tantamount to a warcrime, what's your working acceptable number? 5%?, 3%? 1%? zero?

Well i dont look at the world at black and white terms, but i am an Israeli patriot, so i concentrate on MY country, and i dont want my country to occupy foreign lands, I dont want my country to spend 40% of its budget on the military, I dont want pro-transfer ministers in my goverement, are there bad palestinians? Sure! they are they have the same Degenerals and parasites that earn more money than Shaul Mofaz dreams of... But i am Israeli and I dont want to live in an Apartheid state, and yes I do love my country, I just dont like what it does.

[Mediocrates]

Lot of buzzwords there-------

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by KSO
But i am Israeli and I dont want to live in an Apartheid state,

And yet, you are fighting for an Apartheid state to be created by the Palestinians in which you, as a Christian will be forced to live as a lesser person, and no Jew is allowed to buy or own land. Very interesting, KSO, that you do in fact support open racism, don't you think?

[Kev]

dont want to compare but today in palestine the situation pretty reminds the ghettos that jews were placed in during the holocaust


That comparison would have told me all I needed to know about you, but luckily for me I only had to read your first 1 or 2 posts to understand you werent worth the time.


I'm with you on this one Minusthejihad.

[Kev]

Again Im not defending terror or terrorists, but im not defending the actions that my country does to the people in the occupied territories

Politially correct nonsense!

Take a stand for once, even if it isnt one we agree with!

:rolleyes:


/leaves, cant be bothered-has better things to do

[Mira~]

yeah, ok I have a couple of things to say. When anyone new comes to a forum like this, I give them the benefit of the doubt, even if it is clear from the very first post that I am not going to share their oppinions. I don't think it is a bad idea for pro-Arab supporters to post here provided that at least someone is willing to debate them. I know that it takes a lot of energy and time to properly debate someone and so if you don't feel up to it, no problem. But these arguments and false claims are used by pro-Palestinian supporters everywhere, so why not allow them to be raised here so that we can discredit the propaganda on this board for everyone else to see?

And by the way, KSO or others, if you are still here tomorrow, I will tell you that I am willing to be very honest about the conflict provided that you are willing to be equally honest with me.

[KSO]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
And yet, you are fighting for an Apartheid state to be created by the Palestinians in which you, as a Christian will be forced to live as a lesser person, and no Jew is allowed to buy or own land. Very interesting, KSO, that you do in fact support open racism, don't you think?

Well such state doesn't exist and if it will exist someday you and me will critisize it together, but today i can criticize Israel, A state where palestinian can not own land, a state where a friend of mine an Israeli arab is married to a palestinian woman for 30 years but the she still doesnt have any status, a state where for a year and a half you cannot get married with a palestinian person, a state where a general makes 16 times more than the average person, and for today the biggest treat on the middle east.

[Mediocrates]

So sad, perhaps you need to become Arab and bomb them into submission.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Look Mira, I'm in Israel now. Yup, took a five minute flight.

Oh, and by the way, this hour I happen to feel like a Azerbaijani Methodist Convert. Would you like to hear my opinion on Israeli Amenians? :)

LOL :D

[Ahava]

Originally posted by KSO
I dont want to compare but today in palestine the situation pretty reminds the ghettos that jews were placed in during the holocaust,

If you don't "want" to compare then don't!

[Mediocrates]

That's kind of funny because to me the condition of Israelis like KSO is like those Kapo Jewish leaders in the ghettos who worked with the Nazis to hand pick who got exterminated and who didn't.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Well such state doesn't exist and if it will exist someday you and me will critisize it together, but today i can criticize Israel, A state where palestinian can not own land, a state where a friend of mine an Israeli arab is married to a palestinian woman for 30 years but the she still doesnt have any status, a state where for a year and a half you cannot get married with a palestinian person, a state where a general makes 16 times more than the average person, and for today the biggest treat on the middle east.

I would like you to read an article (below) that answers not only this post, but a few others of yours in this thread (e.g. that the Camp David Accords were never meant to be serious negotiations and why they failed). The answers to these questions come solely from Palestinian leaders.

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA14703

Also:

1. Palestinians do own their land in the West bank and Gaza. They also own their land in Israel too (provided that their buildings were built legally). There is a LOT of illegal construction that goes on that is funded by outside Arabs and the media only focuses on the Jewish settlements : http://www.jcpa.org/jlmbldg.htm

You could argue that not enough permits are issued to Palestinians. That is true in some places, not true anymore in other areas.

2. As far as your friend who is married to the Palestinian woman for over 30 years without acquiring Israeli citizenship, I find that odd, since over 150,000 Palestinians from the territories became naturalized Israeli citizens as a result of the Oslo Accords in the past 10 years. Abu Ala even claimed that this was the greatest achievment of Oslo.

"The Oslo accords have succeeded in returning more than 150,000 Palestinians to their homeland," he said. "This is part of our great ambition, to return all of the Palestinian refugees, our people, to their Palestinian towns and villages and to obtain for them compensation for the losses and the suffering that was inflicted upon them since 1948." http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA14703

3. The new law that was enacted to limit citizenship for new marriages to Palestinians may smack of racism, but I am willing to tolerate it since the measure is temporary, again - over 150,000 Palestinians have already became naturalized citizens of Israel in the past 10 years, and Israel is still at war with the Palestinians. If and when there is peace, and the Arabs no longer scream "Death to Israel" and pass out candy to their children when Jews are murdered in their streets, I will gladly fight for legislation to be removed. Until then, I accept this measure for what it is. Did you know that people cannot even travel to many Arab countries with an Israeli stamp on their passport, and Saudi Arabia will not allow Jews no matter where they are from to enter the country? Racist? These are Israel's neighbors. It's a tough neighborhood.

4. About the general making more money than the average person, it is too bad that the best and the brightest can't be rewarded by becoming teachers in Israel, and that all of Israel's top minds are being drawn into computers or military. Martin Buber (do you know who that is?) and Ahad Ha'am predicted that.


Again, here is that link: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA14703

[Mira~]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
That's kind of funny because to me the condition of Israelis like KSO is like those Kapo Jewish leaders in the ghettos who worked with the Nazis to hand pick who got exterminated and who didn't.

He's not Jewish. He claims that he isn't Muslim either. He's another Christian caught in the middle of this conflict.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
He's not Jewish. He claims that he isn't Muslim either. He's another Christian caught in the middle of this conflict.

Im half jewish (by father side) Im cristian by the jewish law because my mother is christian, I myself dont follow any religion.

p.s.
to all those comparing me to Kapos... thats nice, my grandmother is a survivor of the armenian Holocaust, and many of my family died during the ww2 fighting the nazis, you realy raise the level here!
also...
none of you can judge the kapos like other of the victims of the holocaust, you never been in that situation and you cant be sure what would you choose if you were in there position, I dont respect them but I dont think I or anyone else have the right to judge these people.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by KSO

to all those comparing me to Kapos... thats nice, my grandmother is a survivor of the armenian Holocaust, and many of my family died during the ww2 fighting the nazis, you realy raise the level here!

I'd agree with you hadn't you said this:


none of you can judge the kapos like other of the victims of the holocaust, you never been in that situation and you cant be sure what would you choose if you were in there position, I dont respect them but I dont think I or anyone else have the right to judge these people.

and this:


I dont want to compare but today in palestine the situation pretty reminds the ghettos that jews were placed in during the holocaust,

[Kev]

KSO
Location: Russia
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Is it my imagination that he was listed under location last night as being in Israel? :confused:

Mira: You are able to speak to who you wish. No one has the right to say otherwise, obviously.

But from my experience, posters such as KSO arent listening to what you or anyone else has to say?

Sorry but I just am too busy to read all of the posts here on this board, let alone ones I really dont need to hear, do not learn anything from and further infuriate me since far too many in the world think as KSO does and also dont wish to discover the truth.

It doesnt matter how much you or anyone argue the facts, he isnt listening.

Since I was too busy to focus on this thread fully, did he ever answer you in regards to the false Ariel Sharon interview?

Did he ever admit he had made a mistake?




Perhaps I have increasingly less patience for people such as KSO and I come here to relax, and learn from those who are either much wiser than I, or who have had paid much more attention to history, terrorism and various war tactics than I have.
Therefore, I myself have little time for KSO and the rest of them.

Now, should someone come here and really be interested in hearing the facts and will weight what they have heard here against what they have been indoctrinated with, then I am all ears and willing to listen.

So it wasnt a remark made against you and your time spent with these trolls that I made, but a form of agreement with Minusthejihad when he remarked he wouldnt give terrorists a mic on CNN either.


Why is he here?

It's the Yids that are all twisted. In order to straighten them out you have to first bend them sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology.


That tells me all I need to know about KSO.

[KSO]

I dont think any of us is in a position to judge Kapos, we never been at that situation, we never had to make that awful choise, the holocaust is such a occasion that I think we cant judge any of the victims.

p.s.

Im here only a couple of hours and ive been called a terrorist and a nazi colloborator... That's strong... :eek:

[Ahava]

Originally posted by KSO
I dont think any of us is in a position to judge Kapos, we never been at that situation, we never had to make that awful choise, the holocaust is such a occasion that I think we cant judge any of the victims.



Look, if you think that way, then why were you insulted when you were called kapo?

[Ahava]

KSO, do you live in Russia or in Israel?

[KSO]

Originally posted by Ahava
Look, if you think that way, then why were you insulted when you were called kapo?

I werent insulted, that's a familiar right-wing rhetorique to compare the opponents to nazis, well you were more kind and called me a kapo... I am not insulted although I myself dont respect most of these people but i never judge anyone who was in the holocaust for known reasons, so if you want well make an agreement I dont reffer anything to the nazis and neither of you makes nazi connations.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Ahava
KSO, do you live in Russia or in Israel?

I live in Israel, currently im in russia because of my work (all the bright ones can call me a KGB agent now :D )
but my home is in Israel.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by KSO
I werent insulted, that's a familiar right-wing rhetorique to compare the opponents to nazis, well you were more kind and called me a kapo... I am not insulted although I myself dont respect most of these people but i never judge anyone who was in the holocaust for known reasons, so if you want well make an agreement I dont reffer anything to the nazis and neither of you makes nazi connations.

If you read back, you'll see that I did NOT call you kapo, nor nazi. I notice people using the word nazi too easily, I think it is wrong to call people nazi so easily. But if I remember correctly, you were the one who started the comparison to the WWII, and in a dubious way.
Not referring to the nazis would be great! I'm all for it. As you can see here. (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=88000#post88000)

Refraining from comparing the palestinian situation to the Jews in the ghettos, would be nice too.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
I live in Israel, currently im in russia because of my work (all the bright ones can call me a KGB agent now :D )
but my home is in Israel.


You are 19 years old? And you are working in Russia? Doing what?

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Mira
You are 19 years old? And you are working in Russia? Doing what?

Are you a detective? How do you know he's 19? Or is it a she? :p

[Mira~]

Originally posted by Ahava
Are you a detective? How do you know he's 19? Or is it a she? :p

Yesterday, in addition to showing "Israel" as his/her home, KSO's bio said that he/she was born April 4, 1985. Today it says only "April 4."

[Kev]

Yesterday, in addition to showing "Israel" as his/her home, KSO's bio said that he/she was born April 4, 1985. Today it says only "April 4."


LOL

I figured KSO was quite young because of his beliefs and when he mentioned a grandmother in the Holocaust....it confirmed for me he/she was young.

So if the birth year has been changed, although I cannot imagine why KSO felt it was important to hide his age, then the location was changed as well, correct?

[Mira~]

Originally posted by Kev
LOL

I figured KSO was quite young because of his beliefs and when he mentioned a grandmother in the Holocaust....it confirmed for me he/she was young.

So if the birth year has been changed, although I cannot imagine why KSO felt it was important to hide his age, then the location was changed as well, correct?

Yes, both age and location has changed since yesterday.

[KSO]

I dont remeber changing my location, well about the age thing...
every man should have a mistery...
beliefs doesnt have an age, I hope that whem ill get old ill wont get bitter ,racist or religious, just older and greyer

[minusthejihad]

You people have got to be kidding me!

First Kapo, woops, KSO, is in Israel and 19, the next day it is in Russia on business and not 19 anymore, and some of you still believe what this fool has to say and worse yet, give this thug the attention it needs to say:

"Yids", "Israel = Apartheid state", etc. and allow it to compare Palestinian's conditions to that of the holocaust but then argue against making comparisons to the holocaust.

This dog needs to be ignored completely or put down. There is no "caught in the middle" anymore. People have picked sides already by this point, unless they are a yound teen, at which point if they are in IF.com saying the things Kapo has been saying, they've already sided with evil. One less hater, the better.

Its too bad that I'm not going to Russia with my parents next month, I'd love to pay Kapo a visit so it could call me a "Yid" to my face.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Ahava
If you read back, you'll see that I did NOT call you kapo, nor nazi. I notice people using the word nazi too easily, I think it is wrong to call people nazi so easily. But if I remember correctly, you were the one who started the comparison to the WWII, and in a dubious way.
Not referring to the nazis would be great! I'm all for it. As you can see here. (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=88000#post88000)

Refraining from comparing the palestinian situation to the Jews in the ghettos, would be nice too.



No, I did. Like your sig, but here's another quote I like more

"the most dangerous thing in the world is absolute certainty." I forget who said it; Descartes or Louis Brandeis or Lao Tzu or something.....

[minusthejihad]

My guess, with the proper IP traceroute and DNS reverse lookup, is that Kapo lives in UAE or Egypt. But lets keep pretending this fool, whom - if actually Armenian, I'm embarassed to be associated with, is actually an Israeli citizen who last night took a trip to Russia and is not 19 anymore.

But in all seriousness, KAPO, why don't you respond to Mira's post regarding her arguements to your lies? We dare ya.

[Ahava]

Haha so funny, the mysteries around KSO..

By the way, in 3 days he'll be 19, he isn't yet. Don't forget to congratulate him! (or her!) ;)

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
You people have got to be kidding me!

First Kapo, woops, KSO, is in Israel and 19, the next day it is in Russia on business and not 19 anymore, and some of you still believe what this fool has to say and worse yet, give this thug the attention it needs to say:

"Yids", "Israel = Apartheid state", etc. and allow it to compare Palestinian's conditions to that of the holocaust but then argue against making comparisons to the holocaust.

This dog needs to be ignored completely or put down. There is no "caught in the middle" anymore. People have picked sides already by this point, unless they are a yound teen, at which point if they are in IF.com saying the things Kapo has been saying, they've already sided with evil. One less hater, the better.

Its too bad that I'm not going to Russia with my parents next month, I'd love to pay Kapo a visit so it could call me a "Yid" to my face.

You can tell your mom and dad to beat me up, give them your keyboard and im sure theyll do the work :cool:

[Mira~]

I no longer see the point in continuing this conversation. Next!

[minusthejihad]

What? No reply to Mira? Come on KSO, we're soooo interested to see if you can actually have a debate?

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
You people have got to be kidding me!

First Kapo, woops, KSO, is in Israel and 19, the next day it is in Russia on business and not 19 anymore, and some of you still believe what this fool has to say and worse yet, give this thug the attention it needs to say:

"Yids", "Israel = Apartheid state", etc. and allow it to compare Palestinian's conditions to that of the holocaust but then argue against making comparisons to the holocaust.

This dog needs to be ignored completely or put down. There is no "caught in the middle" anymore. People have picked sides already by this point, unless they are a yound teen, at which point if they are in IF.com saying the things Kapo has been saying, they've already sided with evil. One less hater, the better.

Its too bad that I'm not going to Russia with my parents next month, I'd love to pay Kapo a visit so it could call me a "Yid" to my face.

You can tell your mom and dad to beat me up, give them your keyboard and im sure theyll do the work :cool:

[Ahava]

Originally posted by KSO
You can tell your mom and dad to beat me up, give them your keyboard and im sure theyll do the work :cool:

Again? :confused:
You really crave for it, don't you? :p

[RichardP]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
You are either an idiot or a liar.

Please cite any sources or articles or anything where GWB has said those things.

Otherwise, go spread lies somewhere else you rascally teenager with no brain.

I think this guy (?) escaped from the loony bin, or perhaps, another planet; sadly, he and his species share this earth with us. Anyone classifying Arafat as a moderate is in need of getting out their toolbox, to tighten up a few loose nuts and bolts.

[Kev]

And this is exactly why I dont like to give the KSO's of the world any attention, although hard not to do when others are and the thread keeps popping up on the top of the screen!


He never did debatte Mira's valuable points. :rolleyes:

[Ahava]

So..............Bush up in poll..a good thing or a bad thing? Being an European I'm not very informed about US politics. When the elections draw closer I'll be closely watching it though.
But it's strange, some people are so completely pro-Bush and others all for Kerry and think Bush is a disaster..sometimes also people I'd expect from to be a Bush supporter.

[Mediocrates]

That's the key - this election has always been about ideology and feelings than it has been about people or positions or plans. Bush supporters seem to have most of the same talking points and would rather kill themselves than vote for anyone Democratic. Likewise many of the people who support Kerry happily slap bumperstickers on their cars that say "Elect Anyone but Bush for President", which may make them feel good but it's the same kind of ill informed frustrated apathy that gave rise to the worst of the 20th Century's tyrants and murderers. so Bush up in the polls is good? Who cares? It's mostly preaching to the choir.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by Ahava
If you read back, you'll see that I did NOT call you kapo, nor nazi. I notice people using the word nazi too easily, I think it is wrong to call people nazi so easily. But if I remember correctly, you were the one who started the comparison to the WWII, and in a dubious way.
Not referring to the nazis would be great! I'm all for it. As you can see here. (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=88000#post88000)

Refraining from comparing the palestinian situation to the Jews in the ghettos, would be nice too.
Nazi would certainly not be the correct appellation in this circumstance, unlike other circumstances on this Forum where it is entirely appropriate. But, while the particular reference is uncalled for here, the title IDIOT does apply and I commend MTJ who was on to this guy from the getgo.

[minusthejihad]

Thanks MichaelC

Its more fun catching them coming in the front door, than letting them sit and wipe their dirty boots all over your couch like Rick James.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Thanks MichaelC

Its more fun catching them coming in the front door, than letting them sit and wipe their dirty boots all over your couch like Rick James.

Minus and MichaelC, good stuff... you make a good tag team... the fight goes on. Cheers guys! :D

[golani]

Originally posted by KSO
Not Sunni, Armenian Christian.

Forget Arafat and Barghouti: 2 scumbags

The are currently no influential moderate palestinian leaders .

Ps By the way, i know many Armenians are antisemitic

Are you?

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by golani
The are currently no influential moderate palestinian leaders .




Sure there are - as long as you accept that 'moderate' means kill all the Jews in Israel instead of Brooklyn too.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by KSO
Well such state doesn't exist and if it will exist someday you and me will critisize it together, but today i can criticize Israel, A state where palestinian can not own land, a state where a friend of mine an Israeli arab is married to a palestinian woman for 30 years but the she still doesnt have any status, a state where for a year and a half you cannot get married with a palestinian person, a state where a general makes 16 times more than the average person, and for today the biggest treat on the middle east.

I don't know where to start debunking all your misinformation, but again, I would point out that you apparently support the creation of a Palestinian Apartheid state where Jews cannot own land, nor even exist anywhere in its borders without being murdered by Palestinians and where Christians are considered one step above dogs, forced to live in servitude as Dhimmis for their Muslim rulers.

As for the status of Arabs in Israel, you conveniently forgot to mention that Arabs constitute a full 20% of Israel's citizenship, that they vote in the general elections (including voting for Arabs to serve as Ministers in the Israeli Knesset) that Israeli Arabs receive welfare payments courtesy of the Israeli taxpayer, that Israeli Arabs do in fact own land in Israel, that they are eligible for top-notch medical care and housing subsidies, that they have complete freedom of religion, speech, etc.

As for being the "biggest threat in the Middle east", that is complete nonsense. Most civilized people understand by now that radical Islamic terrorists, and the primitive Arab culture that glorifies violence, murder and racial discrimination, is the biggest threat not only in the Middle east, but in the entire world.

[Concheeta]

Would someone tell me what the Yiddish is for a "male" shiksa? Just curious. thanks.

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by Concheeta
Would someone tell me what the Yiddish is for a "male" shiksa? Just curious. thanks.

I thaught its "shaegitz" ?

[Noam]

Originally posted by Concheeta
Would someone tell me what the Yiddish is for a "male" shiksa? Just curious. thanks.

There is no need for a term
MAN in JUDAISm is TOTALLY IRRELVANT and INSIGNIFICANT.

That is why ONLY THE WOMAN determines your JUDAISM and ONLY WOMAN is in CHARGE of KEEPING The TORAH:

"Shma Bni MU-SAR avicha ---Ve-Al TI-TOSH ****TORAT*** Eimecha"

[Concheeta]

Thank you both for the information. I seem to remember my mummy using 'shaegitz' -- now that I hear it. Noam, it just goes to show....

That was very amusing. Actually, it appears to me in reading the Torah that the only mention of women seems to be in order to differentiate the (man's) children.

[Mediocrates]

That depends on what you mean. Strictly speaking if you refer only to the Parsha you read during the week and on Shabbat there are many references in Bresheit to women. As central characters in every case? That's debateable. But if you look at the entire Tanakh there are whole books, like Ruth, most of the significant parts of Judges and so on.

[Noam]

"But if you look at the entire Tanakh there are whole books, like Ruth, most of the significant parts of Judges and so on."

In the HISTORY OF THE JEWS--IT WAS ALWAYS THE WOMAN who DETERMINED THE FATE OF THE PEOPLE.

Abraham. Joseph, Moses---were VEHICLES

THE WOMEN DETERMINED:

SARAH LAUGHED and KICKED HAGAR
Rivkah CHEATED TO GET THE BLESSING
TAMAR PROSTITUTED TO BEAR DAVID
RUTH SLEPT IN THE FIELD WITH BOAZ-for same
MIRIAM WATCHED THE DAUGHTER OF PAHRAOH SAVE MOSES
Yael Killed Sisra
Hanna and her seven children
Emma Lazarus writing:"Give me your tired masses..."
In every shttetle if you did not like what the Rabbi said...you went to the Rebbitzen

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