Proposal: new Jewish-Arab solidarity holiday

[sharonbn]

Lapid proposes new Jewish-Arab solidarity holiday

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/411322.html

The ministerial committee examining the implementation of the Or Commission's report has agreed that there should be a new national holiday - "Solidarity Day," or "Tolerance Day" - to be jointly celebrated by Jews and Arabs, Justice Minister Yosef Lapid has said.

The Or Commission's report was presented to the government last September and contains a large number of recommendations concerning government policy toward the Arab citizens, with regard to land division, equalizing budgets and personal intervention by the prime minister to ensure equality. It also recommends giving public expression to the common denominator of the entire population by adding state events and symbols with which all citizens can identify.

Dr. Reuven Gal, deputy adviser on national security who participated in the meetings, said similar events exist in countries such as Australia, Canada and Singapore that have large minorities. He said an improvement in material relations with Arabs must be accompanied by symbolic expressions, which are equally important but "this does not come instead of the need to solve the plight of the Arab sector," he said.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Isn't this a cutesy idea?

And so well timed, two days after the Arabs celebrated their anti-Israel "Land Day", with pro-Yassin protests included.

Stupid Jews.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Isn't this a cutesy idea?

And so well timed, two days after the Arabs celebrated their anti-Israel "Land Day", with pro-Yassin protests included.

Stupid Jews.

Yes that's will be stupid to tell 20% of the population officialy that they are welcomed in their country even if they are a minority, let's make them angry and bitter!

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by KSO
Yes that's will be stupid to tell 20% of the population officialy that they are welcomed in their country even if they are a minority, let's make them angry and bitter!
Maybe that's because some of us stupid Jews recognize that we Jews are not welcomed here by them.

I have no solidarity with Israeli Arabs who never stopped beating their breasts about their 56 year old Nakba. This proposed holiday is nothing but a sham or some group is seriously interested in getting an extra day of paid vacation annually.

BTW, it's been mentioned before. There are major differences between Israel's Christian and Moslem Arabs regarding their loyalties to the State.

Try Yom Ha'aztma'ut, an exisitng holiday.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Maybe that's because some of us stupid Jews recognize that we Jews are not welcomed here by them.

I have no solidarity with Israeli Arabs who never stopped beating their breasts about their 56 year old Nakba. This proposed holiday is nothing but a sham or some group is seriously interested in getting an extra day of paid vacation annually.

BTW, it's been mentioned before. There are major differences between Israel's Christian and Moslem Arabs regarding their loyalties to the State.

Try Yom Ha'aztma'ut, an exisitng holiday.

Most Israeli arabs, want to live in Israel the accept that they are a minority abd Israel is a jewish state, most of them work and pay taxes, don't see what's wrong in proclaiming officialy that's even in a jewish state minorities are welcomed

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
This proposed holiday is nothing but a sham or some group is seriously interested in getting an extra day of paid vacation annually.

BTW, it's been mentioned before. There are major differences between Israel's Christian and Moslem Arabs regarding their loyalties to the State.

I think it's a good idea either way. Arabs who rather support Yassin will do so anyway, it's good not to alienate the moderate Arabs.
Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem

Try Yom Ha'aztma'ut, an exisitng holiday.

Wouldn't that be a mourning day remembering Al Nakba for them?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
I think it's a good idea either way. Arabs who rather support Yassin will do so anyway, it's good not to alienate the moderate Arabs.
I look at it the other way. Time for "moderate" Arabs to stop alienating me.
Wouldn't that be a mourning day remembering Al Nakba for them?
Let them make up their minds. Want a solidarity holiday? Yom ha'azmaut is the perfect candidate.

Want a Nakba? Then you don't want solidarity.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Ahava
I think it's a good idea either way. Arabs who rather support Yassin will do so anyway, it's good not to alienate the moderate Arabs.


Wouldn't that be a mourning day remembering Al Nakba for them?

The Nakba is remembered in the territories, Israeli arabs see Yom Ha Atzmaut just as Israeli jews see it, a day of fireworks and BBQ...

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
I look at it the other way. Time for "moderate" Arabs to stop alienating me.

It goes both ways. A Jewish-Arab solidarity day does just that.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by KSO
The Nakba is remembered in the territories, Israeli arabs see Yom Ha Atzmaut just as Israeli jews see it, a day of fireworks and BBQ...
Fairy tales (http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/05/14/News/News.26072.html).

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
It goes both ways. A Jewish-Arab solidarity day does just that.
But I don't share any solidarity for Nakba lovers.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
But I don't share any solidarity for Nakba lovers.

Most important thing is that they are loyal to Israel today. Even if they see 1948 as year of the Nakba, you can't entirely blame them, as long as they are loyal to Israel today it's ok.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
Most important thing is that they are loyal to Israel today. Even if they see 1948 as year of the Nakba, you can't entirely blame them, as long as they are loyal to Israel today it's ok.
Why do you think that someone who calls Israel's formation a tragedy and catastrophe to this very day will be loyal to it at the same time?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Former Knesset MK Michael Kleiner (I miss him) put it very well:

The State of Loyalty (http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/aug01/loyalty.html)
By Michael Kleiner - August 17, 2001
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Israelis have had it with the Arab MKs. Their incitement, their extremism, their seditious sympathy for our enemies - egregious acts even in the eyes of leftists.
Many Israelis now clamor for the ousting from public life of MKs Ahmed Tibi, Azmi Bishara, and the other Arab nationalists in the Knesset. Some would like to see them jailed for the various felonies they committed while in office and, therefore, protected by parliamentary immunity.

But this hope for justice attests, more than anything, to the Israeli public's obliviousness to the magnitude of the problem.

Underlying the naive belief that, if the Arab MKs with all their provocations are gone, our troubles will be over, is the supposition that the Arab public is basically okay, but misrepresented by its own elected officials. According to popular thought, Arab voters wanted their MKs to improve the quality of life in their villages, but suddenly these politicians strayed and began promoting Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's position in order to undermine Israel as a Jewish state.

How mistaken. Whoever thinks the Arab public dissociates itself from the fulminations of its men in the Knesset is out of touch with reality. Imagine how Tibi was received in Taibe after he likened the chief of General Staff to a murderer, or how Bishara was welcomed back from his trip to Syria, where he infamously called for an all-out Arab war against Israel, or how Taleb a-Sanaa was commended for his public commendation of the terrorist shooting spree in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Were they denounced for their extremist statements against the State of Israel, or embraced and exalted by their community? Tibi's and Bishara's meteoric rise in popularity polls indicates the latter.

The sad truth is that the Arab MKs represent their electorate completely, and understand them far better than many wishfully thinking Israeli analysts. When the Arab MKs compete to be the most provocative in speech and deed, they know this is what their public wants. When MK Abdel Malik Dehamshe says, in a Ma'ariv interview, that one in four Israeli Arabs would like to kill Jews and lay Israel waste, this is, at least, partly credible. Only the figure warrants skepticism. Is it only a quarter of Israel's Arabs who hate Israel? And the remainder - are they Zionists?

In their defense, it should be noted that only a small percentage of Israeli Arabs were originally such extremists. Polls of their support for the intifada bear this out. But incitement by Arab MKs, with their status as Arafat's representatives in the Knesset, have managed to stoke the nationalistic flames among Israeli Arabs, even bringing about a change in their self-identification.

A decade ago, most of this sector defined themselves as Israeli Arabs or Arab Israelis, but now they are "Palestinians." These Palestinian Israelis give positive feedback to the Arab MKs' agitation, making them compete even more fiercely in the rhetoric escalation game.

A demonstration of the effect of this extremism was provided on May 15, Nakba day. That morning, A-Sanaa invited parliamentary reporters into his office to witness his minute's silence. Though the other Arab MKs disavowed his action, it seems Tibi feared A-Sanaa might become the star of "Catastrophe Day," and thus ascended the Knesset podium to charge the chief of General Staff with murder.

Discharging any Arab MK from the Knesset without similarly dealing with his party or voters at the would not solve the problem. An MK ousted by an indictment or felony conviction would simply be replaced by the next man on the list, who would no doubt carry on his predecessor's trouble-making with redoubled vigor.

Certainly, these criminal MKs must be dealt with, but it cannot stop there. If Tibi and Dehamshe incited the Palestinian rabble which threw rocks at Western Wall worshipers on Tisha Be'av, they should also be tried for attempted murder. Bishara's treasonous statements obviously warrant his prosecution as a traitor, but the fact that his Balad party illegally organizes trips to Syria also warrants that it be disbanded.

The helplessness evinced by the attorney-general, state attorney, and the political parties' registrar in the face of the mounting lawlessness of the Arab MKs not only frustrates the Jewish public, but encourages similar behavior in the Arab sector at large. The absence of law enforcement and law compliance harms the rule of law, and the use of freedom of speech as a tool to undermine the very essence of the state, endangers not only its Jewish character, but also its democracy.

Much is made in Israel of the need for "self-preserving democracy," and this can no longer be idle talk. First and foremost, an oath of loyalty must be required of all Knesset members. That is, an MK should swear allegiance not just to the state, but to the State of Israel as a Jewish state. But it is just as important to consider candidly whether an Israeli citizen who openly declares that he seeks the destruction of Israel, and sympathizes with the worst of its enemies, deserves to send representatives to the body responsible for shaping the future and guarding the safety of the Jewish state.

Should not citizenship require loyalty to the state?

(The writer is a Herut MK.)

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Why do you think that someone who calls Israel's formation a tragedy and catastrophe to this very day will be loyal to it at the same time?

They can view the flight of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians as a tragedy, but after living in Israel for so many years (and the next generation, people who are born there) they can feel Israel as their land, they're used to it and feel fine, may have Jewish friends and hold good positions, they can vote etc, and they have no desire to fight against the country they live in.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
They can view the flight of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians as a tragedy, but after living in Israel for so many years (and the next generation, people who are born there) they can feel Israel as their land, they're used to it and feel fine, may have Jewish friends and hold good positions, they can vote etc, and they have no desire to fight against the country they live in.
That's very nice but you must be talking about some other country.

Sorry. Time for someone else to bend over backwards and be accomodating other than us Jews.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Isn't this a cutesy idea?

And so well timed, two days after the Arabs celebrated their anti-Israel "Land Day", with pro-Yassin protests included.

Stupid Jews.

Some people are so desperate to be loved by these racist, terrorist-supporting, immoral barbarians they think that if only they invent a holiday it will change everything.

What's next--a Noble Peace Prize for Yassin the Koran-reciting Jew-Killer?

I propose a different holiday: Palestinians Bon Voyage Day. :D

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
I propose a different holiday: Palestinians Bon Voyage Day. :D
On the Achille Lauro.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by ibrodsky

What's next--a Noble Peace Prize for Yassin the Koran-reciting Jew-Killer?


Why not? Arafat got one.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
That's very nice but you must be talking about some other country.

Sorry. Time for someone else to bend over backwards and be accomodating other than us Jews.

Wishful thinking, maybe. But I'm sure there are enough good Arabs and they deserve to feel welcome and at home in a place where they already lived before many Jewish immigrants.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
But I'm sure there are enough good Arabs and they deserve to feel welcome and at home in a place where they already lived before many Jewish immigrants.
There are but they don't need this holiday any more than we do in our relationship with them.

But now you let some interesting words slip out. These good Arabs "deserve to feel welcome and at home". These good Arabs that you talk about haven't been welcome and haven't felt at home? Please elaborate.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem

But now you let some interesting words slip out. These good Arabs "deserve to feel welcome and at home". These good Arabs that you talk about haven't been welcome and haven't felt at home? Please elaborate.

Well, I think the Israeli Arabs could've, should've been treated better from the start. They should get equal chances, equal amounts of money for housing and schools. That's the best way to keep them loyal. Plus it's what they deserve, equal rights for all citizens that's not too much to ask.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
Well, I think the Israeli Arabs could've, should've been treated better from the start. They should get equal chances, equal amounts of money for housing and schools. That's the best way to keep them loyal. Plus it's what they deserve, equal rights for all citizens that's not too much to ask.
Right. I propose they start getting drafted tomorrow.

I agree with these points but then we would need separate solidarity days for Ethiopians, Morrocans, Russians, Religious Jews, Druse, Beduin and former SLA members.

This is a problem with the Israeli political machine in general. It's backwards, corrupt and small-minded, with plotical cronies jockeying for power and favor handouts.

We've only got so many days in a year. Forget the holiday. Fix the system - please! It will benefit me, too.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Right. I propose they start getting drafted tomorrow.

I agree with these points but then we would need separate solidarity days for Ethiopians, Morrocans, Russians, Religious Jews, Druse, Beduin and former SLA members.

This is a problem with the Israeli political machine in general. It's backwards, corrupt and small-minded, with plotical cronies jockeying for power and favor handouts.

We've only got so many days in a year. Forget the holiday. Fix the system - please! It will benefit me, too.
Very good point! It's hard to take Ashkenazi Jews seriously when they advocate so hard for improving the quality of Arab life and removing discrimination against Arabs, when they ignore the plight of Oriental and Ethiopian Jews living in Israel. The situation has improved over time for Oriental Jews, but that certianly wasn't because leftists Jews fought hard for them.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
Very good point! It's hard to take Ashkenazi Jews seriously when they advocate so hard for improving the quality of Arab life and removing discrimination against Arabs, when they ignore the plight of Oriental and Ethiopian Jews living in Israel. The situation has improved over time for Oriental Jews, but that certianly wasn't because leftists Jews fought hard for them.

Today the "Mimuna" the holiday of north african jews is celebrated almost officialy in Israel and if you are running for office you have to come to the celebrations, now they try to mention some ethipian holiday (can't remember the name) and Barak proclaimed may 9th Russias Celebration of Germany's surrender as an official holiday.
Leftist jews did nothing that's unfortunetaly correct but Right wing goverments done nothing as well, Only the arrival of SHAS as an electoral voice, made the parties of both ends to be liked by them and the oriental jews.

[Mediocrates]

One wonders what a worldly person such as yourself would do living in a country that only has normal race frictions and problems.


Wow Israel is soooo special; there are race problems. Let's get together and push them all into the sea. Let's uninvent the country.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
One wonders what a worldly person such as yourself would do living in a country that only has normal race frictions and problems.


Wow Israel is soooo special; there are race problems. Let's get together and push them all into the sea. Let's uninvent the country.

Well race frictions are a natural thing but so if cancer, yet medicine is trying to find a cure, well in the past left handed people were burned, now theyre just uncomfortable...
Am I supposed to feel better because other countries have race issues... I don't feel better because of it, if you do, well i'm glad someone's is feeling better.

[Mediocrates]

No one really cares how you feel about it. Only you do. For the rest of us, the world doesn't revolve around you.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
No one really cares how you feel about it. Only you do. For the rest of us, the world doesn't revolve around you.

No the whole world is to busy plotting against Israel and the jews.

[David_in_NYC]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Why do you think that someone who calls Israel's formation a tragedy and catastrophe to this very day will be loyal to it at the same time?

Because he is a representative of the EU? </sarcasm>

[Leon]

Originally posted by KSO
The Nakba is remembered in the territories, Israeli arabs see Yom Ha Atzmaut just as Israeli jews see it, a day of fireworks and BBQ...

While you're at it, please tell us about the 'Nakba' in Grozny.
Last time I checked, the humantarian Russians (who are very big on 'human rights issues' in the UN...esp when the subject matter is Israel) managed to turn it back into pre-historic times.

Thats a far cry from the poor old Palestinians, who live in autonomy, have a free and independent press and hold mass rallies which incite murder and hatred against innocent Israelis. Yes, the poor old Palestinians whose leaders also make it to Forbes magazine. We all know how concerened you Russians really are...