Is Europe is subject to threat

[terence_z]

I have the feeling that Europe is subjects to threats from terrorist groups well implented on its territoty.
And we might be the victimes of this.
For ex, 2 hours after the elimination of the devil serial killer Yassin, the french minister Villepin condamned us and looked very nervous.
It is not logical, could the europeens be under the pressure of terror entities, that would tell them : "condamn Israel, or we explose a train ?"
This is a black scenario, sounds irrealistic. But will it be in few years?

[cerulean]

Originally posted by terence_z
I have the feeling that Europe is subjects to threats from terrorist groups well implented on its territoty.
And we might be the victimes of this.
For ex, 2 hours after the elimination of the devil serial killer Yassin, the french minister Villepin condamned us and looked very nervous.
It is not logical, could the europeens be under the pressure of terror entities, that would tell them : "condamn Israel, or we explose a train ?"
This is a black scenario, sounds irrealistic. But will it be in few years?

I think this type of threat could well be the case, even now and especially in a few years. Realistically, what politicians are not concerned about their security and that of their families? Or for that matter how many politicians have skeletons in their closests?

In short, I think blackmail is quite possible.

[terence_z]

And what if they say them : "cut your relations with israel or boom " ?

Originally posted by cerulean
I think this type of threat could well be the case, even now and especially in a few years. Realistically, what politicians are not concerned about their security and that of their families? Or for that matter how many politicians have skeletons in their closests?

In short, I think blackmail is quite possible.

[KSO]

Don't think they are blackmailed, but european leaders have to walk on a very thin line they have to please millions of muslim voters and please the jewish community, and not to have any disagreement with US, Anyway the killing of Yassin was a stupid act that should be critisized by anyone who understands the bloody consequens that this act can bring.

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
Anyway the killing of Yassin was a stupid act that should be critisized by anyone who understands the bloody consequens that this act can bring.

Yet another brilliant opinion with no facts to back it up. Man! You're on a roll tonight. I give this 19 year old troll who flew from Israel to Russia in 1 days worth of posting another week and a half.

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Yet another brilliant opinion with no facts to back it up. Man! You're on a roll tonight. I give this 19 year old troll who flew from Israel to Russia in 1 days worth of posting another week and a half.

Facts, every "targeted killing" brings couple of terror attacks, the US citizens killed in Iraq by an organization named after Yassin, Did they named it after him when he was alive? so why they called him Martyr, The Israeli army & police are in higher alert than ever because they know that the danger of a mega terrorist act or a political assasination is bigger than ever, the US goverment warned it's citizens about going to Israel...

[Noam]

Originally posted by terence_z
I have the feeling that Europe is subjects to threats from terrorist groups well implented on its territoty.
And we might be the victimes of this.
For ex, 2 hours after the elimination of the devil serial killer Yassin, the french minister Villepin condamned us and looked very nervous.
It is not logical, could the europeens be under the pressure of terror entities, that would tell them : "condamn Israel, or we explose a train ?"
This is a black scenario, sounds irrealistic. But will it be in few years?

Yes.

There is no doubt that ISRAEL ( THe Jews in GENERAL ) is/are the CAUSE FOR JIHAD.
Muhammad Atta was once stood up by an Israeli Student in Germany. Usay and Kussay tried to rape an Israeli belli dancer and she fled. Dear Yassin was a fine gentleman in a wheel chair (Whichi was on LOAN FROM "YAD SARA"!!!! what a cheapskate)

the 19 well to do Arabs who flew 4 planes into the World Trade Center--Hated Jews more than they hated Brittany Spears.

We bad. We are the cause of all evil in the world. We punctured the OZONE LAYER. DOn't you ever forget that.

[terence_z]

maybe in the country you live in the serial killers can walk free.
Fortunately, Israel does not belong to this kind of countries, neither to those who are crying the death of these bloody people ( like france).
In the world there are 3 kinds of countries:
- despotic and corrupted, like the arab world, include palestine ( Gaza and West bank)
- democratic, free but week countries, like Europe, which are more occupied in condamning USA and Israel, than solving their own problems, giving lessons of good behavior to the whole world, defending dictators like Saddam and serial killers like Yassin.
-democratic, free and strong countries, like Israel and USA, which work hard to develop their economy, improve quality of life, and have the courage to defend themseves against those who are dedicated to destroy them.

After madrid, spanish people blamed their government instead of condamning the terrorists. This is stupid, and I wonder what the reaction of french will be after these terrorists will blow up some trains there ... I am confident that they will blame the jews and israel for bringing the middle east conflict to Europe, while in fact few threats have been received from Al Kayda after the french parliament voted a stupid law , prohibitting from muslim young girls to wear the "Kefie" on their head at school.
Europeen are week, not courageous, and know very well who to blame when they are in troubles. ( remember france and jews in the 40's)
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Cancellation of Yassin is a good thing: he murdered more than 300 people. Might be other serial killers like him being captured and brought to court.

Life is a fight.Unfortunately. If you don't fight for yourself, none will do it for you, and many candidates stand to destroy you, just because you don't agree with them.

Concerning palestinians, I am sorry for them. Should they have a leader more resposible and less jews-hater, they would probably have a independant country today; but they choosed not to sign peace in 2000 and to propagate death and destruction in Israel.
Someone must pay the bill, and I don't see that they will change in the 50 next years.The sooner we shall get separated from them, the sooner we shall feel better.




Originally posted by minusthejihad
Yet another brilliant opinion with no facts to back it up. Man! You're on a roll tonight. I give this 19 year old troll who flew from Israel to Russia in 1 days worth of posting another week and a half.

[KSO]

In the world there are 3 kinds of countries:
- despotic and corrupted, like the arab world, include palestine ( Gaza and West bank)
- democratic, free but week countries, like Europe, which are more occupied in condamning USA and Israel, than solving their own problems, giving lessons of good behavior to the whole world, defending dictators like Saddam and serial killers like Yassin. [QUOTE]

That's why in europe there is much less crime than in the US and Israel?

[QUOTE]
-democratic, free and strong countries, like Israel and USA, which work hard to develop their economy, improve quality of life, and have the courage to defend themseves against those who are dedicated to destroy them. [QUOTE]

That's why the quality of life is decreasing every day, since the goverment jihad against the PA?



[QUOTE]
Cancellation of Yassin is a good thing: he murdered more than 300 people. Might be other serial killers like him being captured and brought to court. [QUOTE]

So why they didn't captured him and brought him to court? that's would be a lawful act by a respectful country, not an death penalty without a trial.

[QUOTE][
Life is a fight.Unfortunately. If you don't fight for yourself, none will do it for you, and many candidates stand to destroy you, just because you don't agree with them. [QUOTE]

Heard such stuff from one failed austrian painter whose name I won't remind,

[QUOTE]
Concerning palestinians, I am sorry for them. Should they have a leader more resposible and less jews-hater, they would probably have a independant country today; but they choosed not to sign peace in 2000 and to propagate death and destruction in Israel.
Someone must pay the bill, and I don't see that they will change in the 50 next years.The sooner we shall get separated from them, the sooner we shall feel better. [/B]

And that's exactly the reason why Israel locks every moderate leader and leaves the PA to a bloody anarchy?

[terence_z]

1)capuring Yassin would lead to heavy fights, and few dozens of killed. you might not know the configuration of Gaza strip.he does not deserve it
2)what moderate PA leader?They are all behind Arafat
3)in Paris crime is higher than in Chicago, you are afraid to take the metro after 20:00 PM
4)quality of live has decreased by 20 %. you are right. This is the direct consequence of the fact that palestinians refused ti sign peace in 2000, and noone in Israel was prepared for that, because all were on the "cloud of peace".This refusal was a slap for everybody. which country in the world would be able to raise quality of life , when every day one suicide bombers come to explose himself? Imagine that in France, there were 1300 bombers and 9000 killed in 3 years ( proportinaly to population). the same would happen, even worst.
5) separation from Palestinians is the best solution: physically, economically; we have anything to share with them, not the culture, not the mentality, nothing.



Originally posted by KSO
And that's exactly the reason why Israel locks every moderate leader and leaves the PA to a bloody anarchy?

[KSO]

Originally posted by terence_z
1)capuring Yassin would lead to heavy fights, and few dozens of killed. you might not know the configuration of Gaza strip.he does not deserve it
2)what moderate PA leader?They are all behind Arafat
3)in Paris crime is higher than in Chicago, you are afraid to take the metro after 20:00 PM
4)quality of live has decreased by 20 %. you are right. This is the direct consequence of the fact that palestinians refused ti sign peace in 2000, and noone in Israel was prepared for that, because all were on the "cloud of peace".This refusal was a slap for everybody. which country in the world would be able to raise quality of life , when every day one suicide bombers come to explose himself? Imagine that in France, there were 1300 bombers and 9000 killed in 3 years ( proportinaly to population). the same would happen, even worst.
5) separation from Palestinians is the best solution: physically, economically; we have anything to share with them, not the culture, not the mentality, nothing.

1. Killing Yassin will probably lead to much heavier civilian casualties by vangeance attacks, plus may split hamas into 2-3 fractions and that will be much harder for the inteligence to track them down.
2. Arafat is a lousy human being but still can cooperate, Barguti is widely popular and moderate, but he is in jail, Abu Mazen had a chance but Israel did everything to fail him.
3. I remember being In paris for a month, never being scared there, could go to "dangerous" neighbourhoods by 12 pm without feeling any insecurity.
4. well the "cloud of peace" Era, was during the time Arafat controlled the PA, and in Camp David, the Israel politicians were the one who refused first when most of them left the goverement before it, and left Barak all alone.
5. Separation from the Palestinians is a vital need, but israels biggest need is for a stable Palestine, Anarchy in the PA = More terror, The world must stand behind a leadship and provide any support needed for stability in Palestine.

[minusthejihad]

You still haven't answered Mira's questions Kazol!

[KSO]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
You still haven't answered Mira's questions Kazol!
Speak Russian and His location is In Israel? wow that means you gonna enlist to the IDF and fight for the forces of light! Now we'll show them! ARABUSHIM HIKONU

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by KSO
Speak Russian and His location is In Israel? wow that means you gonna enlist to the IDF and fight for the forces of light! Now we'll show them! ARABUSHIM HIKONU

And the response to Mira's question......

Oh... right.

[cerulean]

Originally posted by terence_z
And what if they say them : "cut your relations with israel or boom " ?

Besides personal blackmail or terrorism blackmail, there is always the oil weapon. Terrorism blackmail is clearly being used (as in Spain) and the oil weapon has been used since at least 1973. As for personal blackmail, who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Of course the responsibility still rests with those who are succumbing to the blackmail. And they will suffer far worse in the long run for it.

[terence_z]

KSO,
1)Concerning Paris, I have been living there for 3 years now. You probably have been there as a tourist. Criminality is very very high when you live there. Not so much time ago, some boys wre going during the night to a place, burning cars ( sometimes 50 at once), fighting with policeman, aggresing people, stoling ... once one boy burnt his girlfriend in a garbage just because Islam does not allow girls to speak with boys ... without reminding you that jews are being attacked physically everyday , schools have been burnt, etc etc
2) In fact, I dont care from Arafat and Palestinians. They dont interest me anymore, for me these people are stupid. So if there is a big mess in the territories, I really dont care ...

[KSO]

[i]
2) In fact, I dont care from Arafat and Palestinians. They dont interest me anymore, for me these people are stupid. So if there is a big mess in the territories, I really dont care ... [/B]
But as i understood you do care about Israel, and chaos in palestine will bring much harm to Israel.

[terence_z]

yes. I guess you are right. but I hope that after this chao is Palestine, people there will understand that it is not good for them to bring ko to Israel; it seems that there are already palestinians politicians that speak against Arafat. that few of them speak out about the fact that terror attacks are not serving their cause.
I am sure that if no more attacks will be conducted against civilians in busses, discotheques and pubs during few months, Israelis will be again more open and prepared again for concessions. But now it is too soon, you cannot ask people to forget all this mess.
You must understand one thing: more then 55 years that arabs try to destroy Israel. peopleare fed up, and have nothing to loose. If they have to continue living in fear, there is no reaon that Arabs will be let quiet. If we fall, all the region falls. If we are quiet, all the region will enjoy.

[Mediocrates]

Radicals specialize in predicting the apocalypse.

"The Iraq war will result in millions of casualties" - - Takeo

"The Yassin assassination will result in orders of magnitude more violence" - - KSO

[David_in_NYC]

Originally posted by terence_z
It is not logical, could the europeens be under the pressure of terror entities, that would tell them : "condamn Israel, or we explose a train ?"
This is a black scenario, sounds irrealistic. But will it be in few years?

Islamofascism is not logical. It is based on the postulate that it is the religious duty of all Muslims to have Islam dominate the world by force. These people cannot be reasoned with. They just want to kill you, they are willing to use any and all means towards that end, and they believe they go to paradise by trying. Once you understand that, the rest of their behavior does follow logically from this base.

The scenario you describe has probably already happened. But condemning Israel would not stop them from blowing up the train; they would blow it up anyway, to frighten you even more so that you capitulate again to the next demand. These demands will keep coming until the aforementioned Islamic domination of the planet is complete (at which time you'll be dead, by the way).

This is not "in a few years". this is now. Tell your countrymen to report to the garrisons for duty, this is a rare chance for France to redeem its legendary reputation for total cowardice.

[terence_z]

I like it !

[MGB8]

KSO,

Arafat fund and orders terror attacks. Cooperate? He LIES. He is no moderate.

Neither is Barghouti.

Mahmoud Abbas was a moderate, but he stated that he WOULD NOT do the one thing that was required by the roadmap of the Pal-Arabs - to disarm and dismantal the terror groups. Why should Israel give the Pal Arabs anythings (much less free prisoners who generally return to terror quickly after being released, which was a primary red herring at the time) for nothing?

Israel did ease restrictions, but then there would be an attack. And, as the declining numbers of succesful attacks and declining poll numbers for support for terrorism has shown - a consistent and strong negative response to terror is the best way to deal with it (other than doing what Egypt, Syria and Jordan do to fight terror - exterminate not just the terrorists but the entire towns/clans they come from).

You, like many, try to deny the simple and ever-proven logic of action-and-consequences. When negative consequences are caused by certain actions, over the longer term, those actions are committed less.

That doesn't mean that in the short term things might escalate - but how many vengance attacks have there been for Yassin?? Any more than the usual number of attacks? (the correct answer here is "no")

The Pal-Arabs need to decide which is more important to them - getting a state at all, or destroying Israel. Anarchy in the PA might be the only way to get the Pal Arabs to decide.

Even with the PA fully in charge, there was anarchy because of the corruption and thug-ocracy.

Sometimes a structure is so messed up that it must be destroyed completely and rebuilt from the ground up.



Originally posted by KSO
1. Killing Yassin will probably lead to much heavier civilian casualties by vangeance attacks, plus may split hamas into 2-3 fractions and that will be much harder for the inteligence to track them down.
2. Arafat is a lousy human being but still can cooperate, Barguti is widely popular and moderate, but he is in jail, Abu Mazen had a chance but Israel did everything to fail him.
3. I remember being In paris for a month, never being scared there, could go to "dangerous" neighbourhoods by 12 pm without feeling any insecurity.
4. well the "cloud of peace" Era, was during the time Arafat controlled the PA, and in Camp David, the Israel politicians were the one who refused first when most of them left the goverement before it, and left Barak all alone.
5. Separation from the Palestinians is a vital need, but israels biggest need is for a stable Palestine, Anarchy in the PA = More terror, The world must stand behind a leadship and provide any support needed for stability in Palestine.

[terence_z]

thank you for your support.

[Mediocrates]

The facts are known, have been known. Pointing them out to the Kay-so's of the world is meaningless.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
The facts are known, have been known. Pointing them out to the Kay-so's of the world is meaningless.

There are more like me in the world? Do you know something that I don't? Should I take another job because of it?

[David_in_NYC]

Originally posted by terence_z
thank you for your support.

Here's your proof, terence:

Group threatens more Spanish terror (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111626/posts)

This latest threat comes after Spain threw out its pro-US government, in the very midst of the new government's planning to remove its troops from Iraq.

Notice now there are two brand new demands: to pull out of Afghanistan also, and to end support for the US.

I doubt we're very far from the demand to return Andalusia to the Moors.

[Namark]

Originally posted by David_in_NYC
Here's your proof, terence:

Group threatens more Spanish terror (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111626/posts)

This latest threat comes after Spain threw out its pro-US government, in the very midst of the new government's planning to remove its troops from Iraq.

Notice now there are two brand new demands: to pull out of Afghanistan also, and to end support for the US.

I doubt we're very far from the demand to return Andalusia to the Moors.


I just don't understand how nobody can GET the latter part here.. The Us happily supports hotspots around the world to keep them like that, just hotspots.. Keep the blaze pointing at someone else.. Shesh.. Even Genghis Khan understood this tactic..

Why can't modern human being see around it?

[Mediocrates]

Madrid is a hotspot? Well in the summer it is - almost 40deg. C

[Namark]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Madrid is a hotspot? Well in the summer it is - almost 40deg. C

Ok.. add the world global.. Better? :)

Happy first of may btw! :P

[Binyamin]

Originally posted by David_in_NYC


The scenario you describe has probably already happened. But condemning Israel would not stop them from blowing up the train; they would blow it up anyway, to frighten you even more so that you capitulate again to the next demand. These demands will keep coming until the aforementioned Islamic domination of the planet is complete (at which time you'll be dead, by the way).



I found this piece about the group that was threatening to bomb French trains. N.B. the last sentence.

How France fights terror.
The threats sent by AZF since mid-December, becoming more specific since February, have been couched in strange political language, mostly drawing on the terminology of the anti-globalist, anti-capitalist far left, but occasionally using words associated with the far right. One letter said: "We, the members of the AZF, are determined to combat without mercy a pitiless economic system ... [and fight] the totalitarian states which hide potential major advances, such as free energy, new medicines, in a de facto collusion between medico-social, agro-alimentary and cultural institutions."

At first, French authorities thought they might be dealing with hoaxers. The group sent coded message through newspaper small ads, signing itself gros loup (big wolf) and ordered the French government to reply - which it did, under the name "Suzy". The authorities hid their dealings with AZF for more than two months, but it has since emerged that they made two unsuccessful attempts to pay the ransom.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=505767

[Oh Jerusalem]

Call to Jihad rising on Europe's streets (http://www.iht.com/articles/517138.html)
Patrick E. Tyler and Don Van Natta Jr./NYT Tuesday, April 27, 2004

LUTON, England The call to jihad is rising in the streets of Europe, and is being answered, counterterrorism officials say.
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In this former industrial town north of London, a small group of young Britons whose parents emigrated from Pakistan after World War II have turned against their families' new home. They say they would like to see Prime Minister Tony Blair dead or deposed and an Islamic flag hanging outside 10 Downing Street.
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They swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his goal of toppling Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, like Afghanistan under the Taliban. They call the Sept. 11 hijackers the "Magnificent 19" and regard the train bombings in Madrid as a clever way to drive a wedge into Europe.
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Last Thursday evening, at a tennis center community hall in Slough, west of London, their leader, Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammad, spoke of his loyalty to bin Laden. If Europe fails to heed bin Laden's offer of a truce - provided that all foreign troops be withdrawn from Iraq in three months - Muslims will no longer be restrained from attacking the Western countries that host them, Mohammad said.
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"All Muslims of the West will be obliged," he said, to "become his sword" in a new battle. Europeans should take heed, he added, saying, "It is foolish to fight people who want death - that is what they are looking for."
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On working-class streets of old industrial cities like Crawley, Luton, Birmingham and Manchester, and in the Arab enclaves of Germany, France, Switzerland and other parts of Europe, intelligence officials say a fervor for militancy is intensifying and becoming more open.
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In Hamburg, Mustafa Yoldas, the director of the Council of Islamic Communities, saw a correlation to the discord in Iraq. "This is a very dangerous situation at the moment," Yoldas said. "My impression is that Muslims have become more and more angry against the United States."
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Hundreds of young Muslim men are answering the call of extremists into groups affiliated or aligned with Al Qaeda, intelligence and counterterrorism officials in the region say.
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Even more worrying, said a senior British counterterrorism official, is that the level of "chatter" - communications among suspected terrorist figures and their supporters - has markedly increased since bin Laden's warning to Europe this month. The spike in chatter has given rise to acute worries that planning is advanced toward another strike in Europe.
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"Iraq dramatically strengthened their recruitment efforts," one counterterrorism official said. He added that some mosques now display photos of U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq alongside bloody scenes of bombed-out Iraqi neighborhoods. Detecting actual recruitment is almost impossible, the official said, because it is typically done face to face.
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Members of Al Qaeda have "proven themselves to be extremely opportunistic, and they have decided to try to split the Western alliance," the official continued. "They are focusing their energies on attacking the big countries" - the United States, Britain and Spain - so as to "scare" the smaller states.
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Some Muslim recruits are going to Iraq, counterterrorism officials in Europe say, but more are remaining home, possibly joining cells that could help with terror logistics or begin operations like the one that came to notice when the British police seized 540 kilograms, or 1,200 pounds, of ammonium nitrate, a key bomb ingredient, in late March, and arrested nine Pakistani-Britons, five of whom have been charged with trying to build a terrorist bomb.
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Stoking that anger are some of the same Islamic clerics who preached violence and martyrdom before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
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On Friday, Abu Hamza, the cleric accused of tutoring Richard Reid before he tried to blow up a Paris-to-Miami jetliner with explosives hidden in his shoes, urged a crowd of 200 outside his former Finsbury Park mosque to embrace death and the "culture of martyrdom."
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Though the British home secretary, David Blunkett, has sought to strip Hamza of his British citizenship and deport him, the legal battle has dragged on for years while Hamza keeps calling down the wrath of God.
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Despite tougher antiterrorism laws, the police, prosecutors and intelligence chiefs across Europe say they are struggling to contain the openly seditious speech of Islamic extremists.
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The authorities say that laws to protect religious expression and civil liberties have the result of limiting what they can do to stop hateful speech. In the case of foreigners, they say they often are left to seek deportation, a lengthy and uncertain process subject to legal appeals, during which the suspect can keep inciting attacks.
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While some clerics, like Abu Qatada - said to be the spiritual counselor of Mohamed Atta, who led the Sept. 11 hijacking team - remain in prison in Britain without charge, others like Mohammad, leader of a movement called Al Muhajiroun, carry on a robust ideological campaign.
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"There is no case against me," Mohammad said in an interview. Referring to calls by members of Parliament that he be deported, he added, "but they are Jewish" and "they have been calling for that for years."
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Mainstream Muslims are outraged by the situation, saying the actions of a few are causing their communities to be singled out for surveillance and making the larger, non-Muslim population distrustful of them.
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Muhammad Sulaiman, a stalwart of the mainstream Central Mosque here, leads a campaign to ban Al Muhajiroun radicals from the city's 10 mosques.
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"This is show-off business," he says in accented English. "I don't want these kids in my mosque."
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Other community leaders look to the government to do something, if only to help prevent the demonization of British Muslims, or "Islamophobia," as some here call it.
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"I think these kids are being brainwashed by a few radical clerics," said Akhbar Dad Khan, another elder of the Central Mosque.
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In Slough, Mohammad spent much of his time Thursday night regaling his young followers with the erotic delights of paradise while he also preached the virtues of death in Islamic struggle as a ticket to paradise.
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And he warned Western leaders, "You may kill bin Laden, but the phenomenon, you cannot kill it - you cannot destroy it."
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"Our Muslim brothers from abroad will come one day and conquer here and then we will live under Islam in dignity," he said.
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Tyler reporting for this article from Luton and Slough, England, and from London. Don Van Natta Jr. reporting from London. Souad Mekhennet contributed reporting from Germany.

[Mediocrates]

Thank Allah, I hope this accelerates. Within 20 years I expect 1/6th of the population of Europe to be living under Sharia of one degree of severity or another (Just rough numbers, pick your own if you prefer). Wouldn't it be darkly funny if keeping Russia out of the EU winds up being a good thing for them.

[arthadude]

Seems to me that Europe and the rest of the West is going to be building a virtual "immigration fence" around much of the Muslim world.

If there is another major terrorist attack in North America or Europe- especially one that involves WMD- then Jihadist allegiances will mean a one-way deportation ticket out of the country.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by arthadude
Seems to me that Europe and the rest of the West is going to be building a virtual "immigration fence" around much of the Muslim world.

If there is another major terrorist attack in North America or Europe- especially one that involves WMD- then Jihadist allegiances will mean a one-way deportation ticket out of the country. I doubt it. I doubt it very much. The Islamist already got many media and politicians inthier pockets.

[Tyxec]

I think Europeans have proven many times over what cowads they can be, the fact that they have absolutely no means to fight or prevent terror from within.

The muslim communities are so large in Europe that deportation is out of the question even if the public will support it, but I am inclined to think Europe will sooner fall under sharia law than show any signs of a backbone.

Only hope is from eastern block that will tolerate Islam with the same 'understanding' that russians do.

Eventually Europe will fall, USA might remain , and Russia just may rescue the world.

Not my predictions btw....

[RichardP]

Originally posted by cerulean
Besides personal blackmail or terrorism blackmail, there is always the oil weapon. Terrorism blackmail is clearly being used (as in Spain) and the oil weapon has been used since at least 1973. As for personal blackmail, who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Of course the responsibility still rests with those who are succumbing to the blackmail. And they will suffer far worse in the long run for it.

Agreed, succumbing to blackmail will only encourage the terrorists; welcome back Terence_z!