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RichardP
04-07-2004, 11:25 AM
Kerry: Terrorist Shiite Al-Sadr 'A Legitimate Voice'
In an interview broadcast Wednesday morning, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry defended terrorist Shiite imam Muqtada al-Sadr as a "legitimate voice" in Iraq, despite that fact that he's led an uprising that has killed nearly 20 American GIs in the last two days.
Speaking of al-Sadr's newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq."
In the next breath, however, the White House hopeful caught himself and quickly changed direction, adding, "Well, let me . . . change the term legitimate. It belongs to a voice - because he has clearly taken on a far more radical tone in recent days and aligned himself with both Hamas and Hezbollah, which is a sort of terrorist alignment."
But Kerry again seemed to voice sympathy for the Shiite terrorist when asked whether he supported al Sadr's arrest. "Not if it’s an isolated act without the other kinds of steps necessary to change the dynamics on the ground in Iraq," Kerry told NPR, in quotes first reported by the New York Sun.
"If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious problem for the long run here," Kerry added. "And I think this administration is just walking dead center down into that trap."
On March 28, the U.S.-led coalition authorities closed al-Sadr's newspaper, al-Hawza, for 60 days, the Sun reported. L. Paul Bremer, the chief U.S. administrator in Iraq, charged that said the newspaper had published false stories blaming the coalition forces for local acts of terrorism.

All you Kerry fans out there... Have a read; you’ll probably still remain in denial… but this guy is showing his true colors, and it isn’t red, white and blue!

Ahava
04-07-2004, 11:40 AM
To me Kerry always seemed like a good candidate, these comments are somewhat..stupid though. But I think it shouldn't be exaggerated.

KSO
04-07-2004, 11:41 AM
And yet he nailed Jane Fonda...

TheyAre
04-07-2004, 11:45 AM
To me Kerry always seemed like a good candidate, these comments are somewhat..stupid though. But I think it shouldn't be exaggerated.

If Bush said something similar I doubt that you'd be so accomodating.

I don't think it should be exaggerated either, in a give-and-take setting like an interview you don't have time to really arrange your thoughts as best you'd like.

But still, its indicative of Kerry's obvious inability to lead this country. If he runs the country like he does his mouth, we're all screwed.

Ahava
04-07-2004, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by TheyAre

But still, its indicative of Kerry's obvious inability to lead this country. If he runs the country like he does his mouth, we're all screwed.

Same goes for Bush. So, you're screwed anyway. :)
Poor Americans. :(

RichardP
04-07-2004, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Ahava
Same goes for Bush. So, you're screwed anyway. :)
Poor Americans. :(

With Bush, we know what we have got… whether you are pro or anti-Bush. Kerry, to me, is an unknown equation, or best said, a blank; until he opens his yap; thus, leaving it ajar, so that we can distinguish his actual viewpoint, from his hoodwinking.
Kerry is cut from the same cloth as Neville Chamberlain… but at least Chamberlain he had no pretence. If Kerry wins the White House, G-d help us, because he sure the hell won’t.

Ahava
04-07-2004, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by RichardP
With Bush, we know what we have got… whether you are pro or anti-Bush. Kerry, to me, is an unknown equation, or best said, a blank; until he opens his yap; thus, leaving it ajar, so that we can distinguish his actual viewpoint, from his hoodwinking.

That's true, of course. Go for safe or take a chance..

Mediocrates
04-07-2004, 12:20 PM
Dont' forget the forum. When a candidate says on NPR such and such is a legitimate voice of the poor downtrodden freedom fighters yearning to be free you can pretty much understand that he's playing to his audience of late middle aged ex Weathermen wannbes and latte liberals who once went to a pro Cuba rally decades ago that time when they dropped acid.

It's a pretty silly thing for Kerry to say but he's saying it to profoundly silly people. I'm also sure you could get on NPR and claim that such and such candidate is the actual spawn of Satan and Tamerlane with a straight face and Scott Simon or whoever wouldn't blanch. NPR takes it as a badge of honor to support retarded words and insufferable points of view that are patently insane, on principle alone.

RichardP
04-07-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Mediocrates
Dont' forget the forum. When a candidate says on NPR such and such is a legitimate voice of the poor downtrodden freedom fighters yearning to be free you can pretty much understand that he's playing to his audience of late middle aged ex Weathermen wannbes and latte liberals who once went to a pro Cuba rally decades ago that time when they dropped acid.

It's a pretty silly thing for Kerry to say but he's saying it to profoundly silly people. I'm also sure you could get on NPR and claim that such and such candidate is the actual spawn of Satan and Tamerlane with a straight face and Scott Simon or whoever wouldn't blanch. NPR takes it as a badge of honor to support retarded words and insufferable points of view that are patently insane, on principle alone.

Well said... he's a Grade 'A' Twit... I'm being polite! :D

philingraham
04-07-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by RichardP
With Bush, we know what we have got… whether you are pro or anti-Bush. Kerry, to me, is an unknown equation, or best said, a blank; until he opens his yap; thus, leaving it ajar, so that we can distinguish his actual viewpoint, from his hoodwinking.
Kerry is cut from the same cloth as Neville Chamberlain… but at least Chamberlain he had no pretence. If Kerry wins the White House, G-d help us, because he sure the hell won’t.

With Bush we know we have a lyin' SOB. With Kerry we have a lyin' SOB in training...

Ahava
04-07-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by philingraham
With Bush we know we have a lyin' SOB. With Kerry we have a lyin' SOB in training...

Like I said: screwed. :)

philingraham
04-07-2004, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by KSO
And yet he nailed Jane Fonda...

But Jane wasn't impressed...

Mediocrates
04-07-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by philingraham
With Bush we know we have a lyin' SOB. With Kerry we have a lyin' SOB in training...


The Marion Barry Effect: "Yeah I smoked some crack, partied with some Ho's got caught on tape and went to jail. Elect me. I got NO secrets !!!!!"


These are actual quotes taken from Mayor Marion Barry, of Washington, D.C.

"The contagious people of Washington have stood firm against diversity during this long period of increment weather." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I promise you a police car on every sidewalk." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, what can I say? I'm a night owl." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"Bitch set me up." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third term. Where's Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush and Michael Dukakis no less." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are racist. The law of gravity is racist." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I am making this trip to Africa because Washington is an international city, just like Tokyo, Nigeria or Israel. As mayor, I am an international symbol. Can you deny that to Africa?" -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"People have criticized me because my security detail is larger than the president's. But you must ask yourself: are there more people who want to kill me than who want to kill the president? I can assure you there are." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of which were black, were the ultimate sacrifice." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed the slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created slavery by law in the 1600's. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and he was not a Republican." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"What right does Congress have to go around making laws just because they deem it necessary?" -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"People blame me because these water mains break, but I ask you, if the water mains didn't break, would it be my responsibility to fix them then? WOULD IT!?!" -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I am a great mayor; I am an upstanding Christian man; I am an intelligent man; I am a deeply educated man; I am a humble man." -- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

RichardP
04-07-2004, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Ahava
Like I said: screwed. :)

Let’s be positive, folks, true, Bush seems to be a brick short of a load at times. But Kerry is short of much more and one is ‘honesty’, it isn’t in the guy’s vocabulary. Politicians are infamous for their lack of scruples… but do believe, if when tallying it all up, the bottom line favours Bush. Bush, in my opinion will not sell us out to the Islamo-Fascists; Kerry, on the other hand would sell his mother, apple pie or his ‘soul’ to win the Presidency.

RichardP
04-07-2004, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by RichardP
Let’s be positive, folks, true, Bush seems to be a brick short of a load at times. But Kerry is short of much more and one is ‘honesty’, it isn’t in the guy’s vocabulary. Politicians are infamous for their lack of scruples… but do believe, if when tallying it all up, the bottom line favours Bush. Bush, in my opinion will not sell us out to the Islamo-Fascists; Kerry, on the other hand would sell his mother, apple pie or his ‘soul’ to win the Presidency.

I love the Marion Barry quotes... needed a good guffaw today, thanks. Humble; does anyone out there know of a 'humble' politician?

philingraham
04-07-2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by RichardP
I love the Marion Barry quotes... needed a good guffaw today, thanks. Humble; does anyone out there know of a 'humble' politician?

My favorite image of Marion Barry was when he got a BJ, from one of his lady friends, in front of the entire visitation room. If this doesn't qualify as a "humble politician", I don't know what does...

RichardP
04-07-2004, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by philingraham
My favorite image of Marion Barry was when he got a BJ, from one of his lady friends, in front of the entire visitation room. If this doesn't qualify as a "humble politician", I don't know what does...

Must admit, I hadn't heard that one... sounds like Bill Clinton has a rival.

MichaelC
04-07-2004, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by philingraham
My favorite image of Marion Barry was when he got a BJ, from one of his lady friends, in front of the entire visitation room. If this doesn't qualify as a "humble politician", I don't know what does...
I used to work at a bakery/deli and when someone would order a slice of marionberry pie, I would often say, "You know of course that it's drug free, don't you? Still want it?" I had to give up the quip due to the general ignorance with regard to national politics among our customers, who more often than not would just look blankly at me, totally clueless.

KSO
04-07-2004, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by philingraham
But Jane wasn't impressed...

Neither do We...

Macc
04-16-2004, 02:55 PM
John Kerry and the rest of the liberals are a complete joke, their policy of appeasement sickens me. Bush has to win, if he loses and the liberals take over were going to be the laughing stock of the world.

Another thing that irritates me is that the Liberals whine and moan comparing Iraq to Vietnam. What's more laughable is that Senator Edward Kennedy came up with that comparison, this to me is a joke because the Kennedys where the idiots who got us involved in Vietnam in the first place.

The Democrats bahh, if I had my way I would tie them all up to a rocket and blast them all into auterspace.

RichardP
04-16-2004, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Macc
John Kerry and the rest of the liberals are a complete joke, their policy of appeasement sickens me. Bush has to win, if he loses and the liberals take over were going to be the laughing stock of the world.

Another thing that irritates me is that the Liberals whine and moan comparing Iraq to Vietnam. What's more laughable is that Senator Edward Kennedy came up with that comparison, this to me is a joke because the Kennedys where the idiots who got us involved in Vietnam in the first place.

The Democrats bahh, if I had my way I would tie them all up to a rocket and blast them all into auterspace.

Aye, Macc, welcome... if you were one of the leftist-wankers I most likely wouldn't be so 'welcoming'! Kerry and his appeaser left-wing morons will make us more than the laughing stock of the world. Have you got a prayer mat and Koran at the ready? Because, if they thought it would help 'them', they would have us all convert to Islam. That said, the wankers who run Canuckistan aren't much better, hell, worse. Once again, welcome... cheers!

Macc
04-16-2004, 04:00 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome.

What can I tell you, people are loosing their minds if they think John Kerry is going to do what it takes to win the war on terror, or improve economic standards of America.

I went to college and majored in Economics, therefore I know that the liberals are hypocrites and liers. Democrats have destroyed this country and are undermining our way of life. Bush is not perfect, but at least he's not a liberal which I am very thankfull for. If 9/11 happened while the liberals were in power nothing would have been done, maybe an air strike on Afghanistan but that's about it.

I am sick of hearing the Democrats take credit for everyhting, Al Gore did not invent the internet, Clinton is responsible for 9/11 and the economic recession which began under his administration.
In 1995 Sudan offered the head of Osama Bin Ladin on a silver platter and Clinton refused.

But Bush on the other hand is not naive, he knows what needs to be done and he actually does what he says he is going to do.

RichardP
04-16-2004, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Macc
Thanks for the warm welcome.

What can I tell you, people are loosing their minds if they think John Kerry is going to do what it takes to win the war on terror, or improve economic standards of America.

I went to college and majored in Economics, therefore I know that the liberals are hypocrites and liers. Democrats have destroyed this country and are undermining our way of life. Bush is not perfect, but at least he's not a liberal which I am very thankfull for. If 9/11 happened while the liberals were in power nothing would have been done, maybe an air strike on Afghanistan but that's about it.

I am sick of hearing the Democrats take credit for everyhting, Al Gore did not invent the internet, Clinton is responsible for 9/11 and the economic recession which began under his administration.
In 1995 Sudan offered the head of Osama Bin Ladin on a silver platter and Clinton refused.

But Bush on the other hand is not naive, he knows what needs to be done and he actually does what he says he is going to do.

Yup, Bubba Clinton and his cigar chomping incompetence blew a lot of smoke and mirrors, as well as other things. When I hear or read the Liberal media stomping on Bush day in and day out... and Bubba's marked incompetence doesn't get a damn mention. The Liberals would sell their mothers for power, not to mention our freedom.

KSO
04-16-2004, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by RichardP
Yup, Bubba Clinton and his cigar chomping incompetence blew a lot of smoke and mirrors, as well as other things. When I hear or read the Liberal media stomping on Bush day in and day out... and Bubba's marked incompetence doesn't get a damn mention. The Liberals would sell their mothers for power, not to mention our freedom.

Liberal Midea??? You know where to find it??

Macc
04-16-2004, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by RichardP
Yup, Bubba Clinton and his cigar chomping incompetence blew a lot of smoke and mirrors, as well as other things. When I hear or read the Liberal media stomping on Bush day in and day out... and Bubba's marked incompetence doesn't get a damn mention. The Liberals would sell their mothers for power, not to mention our freedom.

Liberals are Communists in disguise, Yeah I said it. They want everyone to be the same, they promote this and that, they ramble that they're open minded but when someone disagrees with them they call them a fascist; how open minded is that?

These people like to raise taxes, and spend the money we don't have on somehting we don't need and wont use. Trillion of American hard earned dollars have been wasted away, what does America have to show for it?

I was born in Poland, I can smell a communist err I mean a liberal a mile away; sure they can fool some people but guess what I am not that stupid. Liberals have a hard time understanding why people want to live the way they live without being killed and or terrorized.

Now I see all this on tv "America is trying to conquer the world" or "Muslim Extremists are being mistreated, they are human too" and "American soldiers are trying to destroy Arabs".
Gimme a break, America did not invade Kuwait Iraq did, America did not break international laws, Iraq did. Americans did not fly those planes to buildings killing thousands of innocent people.

People HATE US WITH A PASSION, I went to France about a year ago and I was insulted by some Frenchman who had no freking idea what the hell he was talking about. I really hope some of those 10 million arabs who live in France start blowing stuff up in Paris. France and Germany are a Joke, I am glad my country Poland helped the US and supports it. I think US, Israel, Britain and Poland are the only sane countries that are left in the world.

When you say NO to Liberalism you are sayign No to Communism.