Europe, Arabia going to hell

[MGB8]

I recently read an article/website about the reasons for anti-semitism.

It had been a long time since I had been educated about Nazi-ism....but looking at Nazi-ism and what is happening today led me to the above conclusion - Europe and Arabia are going to hell.

Since I learned about the Nazi's when I was young, I didn't recall, maybe never learned, how - g-dless - the Nazi's were.

Hitler's youth sang how they didn't need Christian virtue. Hitler used a term like "Judeo-ize" to mean "infect with morals" - he was quite explicit that his Utopia was beyond morals - right and wrong were irrelevant.

What's striking is how, in religious terms, this really is Satan's work (and I'm not particularly religious nor do I fully believe in the stereo-typical "satan".)


I do, however, believe that an important part of being Jewish is the concept of "baring witness" - one of the meanings of the Shmah. We bare witness to G-d and the glory of the world....and we bare witness FOR G-d of the acts of man. Those who hate G-d want to kill the witnesses.


Look at Europe today, and we see that Hitler's dream utopia is alive and well. Moral Relativism is rampant. People don't believe in a higher power or a higher law...instead the imperfect man is G-d.

Europe, from the years immediately following the Holocaust - were only to eager to step aside and let the Arabs finsih Hitler's work. Did Europe EVER come to Israel's aid when the Arabs tried and tried to exterminate the Jews? Does Europe care that the Arabs still promise this genocide? Or do they condem Israel killing the specific individuals who forward this attempted genocide - like Rantissi and Yassin - Israel barely had ANY colatteral damage in these two strikes - and yet Europe is outraged?? But it doesn't force the Arab to stop the goal of destroying Israel - in violation of the UN Charter and International law they love to twist to attack Jews?

There is no real shame for the holocaust - only some museums and the occasional words. It was, after all, the Nazis...not Europeans...Europeans weren't Nazi's, right? And those who weren't didn't stand by and allow the holocaust, did they?

As for Arabia...any culture where the cleric says "anyone who kills an Innocent Muslim (very specifically NOT an innocent HUMAN) will go to hell...", a culture that prides itself on its love of death and its willingness to lie and to die...as with the Suadi Charities who fund terror, the PLO's denials of the Jewish Temple or ties to Jerusalem (as just the worst of a national movement built on lies), etc. etc. etc. ... we know exactly were the majority Islam is heading - it does not love "Allah" - it loves death and, essentially, Satan - the renounciation of G-d's morals and laws.

[Mediocrates]

This could have been written about how our own Fronch contingent here feels:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2559&PHPSESSID=f5c9393f61d54fef4b24a7a902fe8dc7


Until recently, Osama bin Laden has shown little interest in appealing to, or justifying himself, to non-Muslim audiences. “This war is fundamentally religious,” he declared in November 2001, “The people of the East are Muslims. They sympathized with Muslims against the people of the West, who are crusaders.” Yet, in April 2004, bin Laden released an audiotape proposing a “reconciliation initiative” through which al Qaeda would cease targeting European countries if they withdrew their troops from Muslim lands and broke from the “U.S. conspiracy on the greater Muslim world.” The tape reveals a sophisticated understanding of Europe's political mindset, as bin Laden employs several rhetorical devices to capitalize upon trans-Atlantic tensions and drive a wedge between the Western allies in the war against terrorism:

Neighborhood Watch Bin Laden addresses Europeans as “our neighbors north of the Mediterranean.” The salutation is an apparent attempt to tap into the European fear that the Americans will botch the Iraqi occupation, provoking unrest in Iraq and across the Middle East before returning home to the ranch, leaving the Europeans to deal with the consequences of a regional meltdown next door.

Power to the People In February 2004, bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, criticized the French government's decision to ban Islamic headscarves in schools, describing it as “another example of the Crusader's malice, which Westerners have against Muslims.” However, in this new message, bin Laden seeks to play down the differences between the East and West. Citing recent opinion polls as proof that “most European peoples want peace,” he implores “honest people, especially ulema, preachers, and merchants, to form a permanent committee to enlighten European peoples of the justice of our causes ….” Bin Laden reserves his wrath for Europe's leaders. Perhaps mindful of the antiwar protests that swept the continent the year before, and presumably encouraged by the recent election results in Spain, he attacks governments who committed troops to Iraq despite a lack of public support: “[I]njustice is inflicted on us and on you by your politicians, who send your sons—although you are opposed to this—to our countries to kill and be killed.”

All Roads Lead to Jerusalem Bin Laden then shifts his focus to the Israeli-Palestinian issue, calling it—as many Europeans do—the “real problem.” His denunciation of Israel's targeted killing of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in March echoes opinions in Europe. Javier Solana, the European Union's foreign minister, described it as “very, very bad news,” and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw described the act as “unacceptable” and “unjustified.” Bin Laden also lashes out against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, a widely reviled figure in Europe. Indeed, the section on Palestine is notable for how the al Qaeda leader eschews the vitriol of past statements, which contained lines such as, “Killing Jews is top priority.” Rather than offending European sensibilities with outright anti-Semitism, he adopts a more political tone and pillories the “Zionist lobby.”

Burning Bush Bin Laden's statement also contains boilerplate, left-wing critiques of the Bush administration that could be found on the editorial pages of many European newspapers. For example, he denounces the U.S. military-industrial complex, noting that the war in Iraq “brings billions of dollars in profit to the major companies, whether it be those that produce weapons or those that contribute to reconstruction, such as the Halliburton Company.” And, he repeatedly hammers at President George W. Bush's credibility (“the liar of the White House”), noting that, had the American leader been a true man of peace, he “would not have lied to people and said that we hate freedom and kill for the sake of killing.”

European governments dismissed bin Laden's offer out of hand. “One has to treat such claims, proposals by al Qaeda, with the contempt they deserve,” declared Straw. “This is a murderous organization which seeks impossible objectives by the most violent of means and has said in terms that whilst we love life, they love death.” Yet, while al Qaeda's “truce” failed, the statement does offer an example of how a more politically savvy Islamic radical might attempt to appeal to the European public: He would exploit resentment of U.S. hegemony, emphasize justice for the Palestinians, and offer a belated olive branch to the descendants of the Christian Crusaders.

[sokol2002]

Anti Semitism is increasing all over Europe. The increasing number of Muslim immigrants is one of the reasons for the increase in Anti Semitism. The controversial politics of Sharon and left wing journalist portraying the Israelis as the problem in the Middle East conflict is another reason for Anti Semitism.

In Norway Christian teachers told to drop the Star of David because it was deemed a provocation towards the many Muslim students at the school.

www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article724262.ece

Jewish children in Norway get harassed in School; some Jews have also received death treats. According to the Jewish community in Oslo, the problem has doubled the last two years.

Anti Semitism is not new in Norway. It has been a problem since the 17th Century.

www.svik.org/about.htm

[Ahava]

Originally posted by sokol2002

In Norway Christian teachers told to drop the Star of David because it was deemed a provocation towards the many Muslim students at the school.

www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article724262.ece

Yeah, I was wondering about that, I read it a while ago, she (the teacher who had to take off the star of David) took a lawyer, I was wondering how it continued? I'd like to know if she won the case.

[Justcurious]

The town of Hell in Norway certainly welcomes all nations, but will it be able to accomodate all?

http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Norway/la1k.htm

[peacelover]

Originally posted by MGB8
I recently read an article/website about the reasons for anti-semitism.

It had been a long time since I had been educated about Nazi-ism....but looking at Nazi-ism and what is happening today led me to the above conclusion - Europe and Arabia are going to hell.

Since I learned about the Nazi's when I was young, I didn't recall, maybe never learned, how - g-dless - the Nazi's were.

Hitler's youth sang how they didn't need Christian virtue. Hitler used a term like "Judeo-ize" to mean "infect with morals" - he was quite explicit that his Utopia was beyond morals - right and wrong were irrelevant.

What's striking is how, in religious terms, this really is Satan's work (and I'm not particularly religious nor do I fully believe in the stereo-typical "satan".)


I do, however, believe that an important part of being Jewish is the concept of "baring witness" - one of the meanings of the Shmah. We bare witness to G-d and the glory of the world....and we bare witness FOR G-d of the acts of man. Those who hate G-d want to kill the witnesses.


Look at Europe today, and we see that Hitler's dream utopia is alive and well. Moral Relativism is rampant. People don't believe in a higher power or a higher law...instead the imperfect man is G-d.

Europe, from the years immediately following the Holocaust - were only to eager to step aside and let the Arabs finsih Hitler's work. Did Europe EVER come to Israel's aid when the Arabs tried and tried to exterminate the Jews? Does Europe care that the Arabs still promise this genocide? Or do they condem Israel killing the specific individuals who forward this attempted genocide - like Rantissi and Yassin - Israel barely had ANY colatteral damage in these two strikes - and yet Europe is outraged?? But it doesn't force the Arab to stop the goal of destroying Israel - in violation of the UN Charter and International law they love to twist to attack Jews?

There is no real shame for the holocaust - only some museums and the occasional words. It was, after all, the Nazis...not Europeans...Europeans weren't Nazi's, right? And those who weren't didn't stand by and allow the holocaust, did they?

As for Arabia...any culture where the cleric says "anyone who kills an Innocent Muslim (very specifically NOT an innocent HUMAN) will go to hell...", a culture that prides itself on its love of death and its willingness to lie and to die...as with the Suadi Charities who fund terror, the PLO's denials of the Jewish Temple or ties to Jerusalem (as just the worst of a national movement built on lies), etc. etc. etc. ... we know exactly were the majority Islam is heading - it does not love "Allah" - it loves death and, essentially, Satan - the renounciation of G-d's morals and laws.

This is a joke, right?

I'm going to hell no matter what I do because of where I was born, which I had no control over?

[peacelover]

Originally posted by Justcurious
The town of Hell in Norway certainly welcomes all nations, but will it be able to accomodate all?

http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Norway/la1k.htm

:D
Are you from Norway, Justcurious?

[Justcurious]

Nope, Peacelover, but I have been to Norway several times.

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
This could have been written about how our own Fronch contingent here feels you seem to be unable to spell french correctly. I can imagine the twist your mouth makes when you try to utter this word.

As to Ben Laden trying to take advantage of our differences, it does not work, no one can imagine one second this monster is serious.

I think Ben Laden lost when allied forces took over afghanistan and destroyed his main base.
I think he won when a "coalition of the willings" invaded an arab country which was indeed one of the few fighting him and not sending terrorists abroad.

And Ben Laden probably scores a point each time the "french contingent" reads you and wonders if really there is any chance a common fight against terrorism can be undertaken with people having such scorn of "fronce".

[peacelover]

Originally posted by Justcurious
Nope, Peacelover, but I have been to Norway several times.

Stop teasing me ;)

Where are you from?

[Justcurious]

Originally posted by peacelover
Stop teasing me ;)

Where are you from?

As I say on the left, I'm from Northern Europe. Apart from Norway there are Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and the Faroe Islands. Even Estonia is in Northern Europe, isn't it? Let alone North-Western Russia. ;)

[peacelover]

Originally posted by Justcurious
As I say on the left, I'm from Northern Europe. Apart from Norway there are Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and the Faroe Islands. Even Estonia is in Northern Europe, isn't it? Let alone North-Western Russia. ;)

Dammit, I'm going to explode! :mad:

I'm guessing Denmark because only a Dane could be so damn infuriating... ;)

[Mediocrates]

Seeing how Europe now more or less encompasses the dominions from Tenerife to Damasus, from Rabat to Godthab I guess "Northern Europe" could be more or less anything.

[Mediocrates]

BTW I live in northern north central North Carolina, but the southern part of that.

[peacelover]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
BTW I live in northern north central North Carolina, but the southern part of that.

cool, I'll be right over ;)

[Mediocrates]

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?postid=94324#post94324



I welcome this kind of thinking. I hope we see more of it in the arab world. This way they will refuse to do anything about there own terrorists, their own internal problems until they are overwhelmed and all the arab leaders and all their friends and families have their heads on pikes and their bodies strung up upside down like pigs.