Why Not Transfer The Criminal Terrorists Arabs Out Of Israel ?

[Batman]

If Sharon can consider transferring innocent Jews out of their homes he can now transfer the terrorists Arabs out asap.

Amen.
" The deep-seated Arab hatred towards the Jews needs to be acknowledged and absolutely must be taken into account, when considering any resolution of the Arab-Jewish conflict. " The Logistics of Transfer (http://www.gamla.org.il/english/article/2002/july/b1.htm)


More Israeli Jews favor transfer of Palestinians, Israeli Arabs - poll finds (http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=140196&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0)

By Amnon Barzilai
Mon., May 03, 2004 Iyar 12, 5764


Some 46 percent of Israel's Jewish citizens favor transferring Palestinians out of the territories, while 31 percent favor transferring Israeli Arabs out of the country, according to the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies' annual national security public opinion poll.

In 1991, 38 percent of Israel's Jewish population was in favor of transferring the Palestinians out of the territories while 24 percent supported transferring Israeli Arabs.

When the question of transfer was posed in a more roundabout way, 60 percent of respondents said that they were in favor of encouraging Israeli Arabs to leave the country. The results of the survey also reveal that 24 percent of Israel's Jewish citizens believe that Israeli Arabs are not loyal to the state, compared to 38 percent who think the Arabs were loyal to the state at the beginning of the intifada.

The poll, overseen by Prof. Asher Arian, also finds that Jewish public opinion is Israel has become more extreme on issues of foreign affairs and defense as well as on possible concessions by Israel during peace talks in particular.

A representative sample of 1,264 Jewish residents of Israel were polled for the survey last month in face-to-face interviews.

Israeli-Arabs pose a threat to Israel's security, according to 61 percent of the Jewish population, while around 80 percent are opposed to Israeli-Arabs being involved in important decisions, such as delineating the country's borders, up from 75 percent last year and 67 percent in 2000.

Some 72 percent of Jewish Israelis are opposed to Arab parties being part of a coalition government, compared to 67 percent last year and 50 percent in 1999.

This overall shift to the right has been coupled by a significant fall in support for the Oslo process; down from 58 percent last year, to 35 percent this year. Support for the establishment of a Palestinian state has also dropped from 57 percent last year to 49 percent this year.

Only 40 percent of Jewish Israelis support transfering control of Arab areas of East Jerusalem to the Palestinians as part of a peace agreement, compared with 51 percent last year. There has also been a fall in the number of people willing to leave the settlements as part of an agreement with the Palestinians: 49 percent are in favor of Israel leaving the settlements, apart from large blocs, under a permanent status agreement, compared to 55 percent last year.

Around 41 percent of those polled said that the acts of Palestinian violence have made them less open to compromise, while just 10 percent said that the on-going violence has had the opposite effect.

[Batman]

TRANSFER OF ARABS IS THE
ONLY SOLUTION FOR PEACE!

By Ruth and Nadia Matar

For many years now, Arafat, through his educational system, has inculcated Arab children with hatred of Jews. He has been extraordinarily successful. Aided and abetted by his daily Arab propaganda network directedboth to adults and children, Arafat has effectuated a hatred against Jews that is irremediable. He has innovated suicide bombings of civilians, honoring, even posthumously, the maker of bombs and suicide bombers. Generations of children growing up in the Palestinian Authority school system have had ingrained in them that killing Jews is desirable. This inclination has become an integral part of Arab culture. As a result, 1200 Jews have been killed, and literally many, many thousands maimed for life.

Arafat promises those who die in suicide bombings to be instantaneously rewarded. He labels them "heroes." There have been so many children growing up with this orientation, that no "true peace" between Jew and Arab can ever be realistically obtained. That Arabs in the future will live side by side in peace with Jews, does not square with the facts, nor with the daily murder of Jews by Arabs.

The Road Map, sponsored by the European Union, the U.N., and Russia, as well as U.S. Secretary of State Powell and President Bush, has not taken reality into consideration. The Road Map is essentially the Saudi Arabian solution to the Mid-East problem, and as such is one sided and basically unfair.

Radically new thinking is required in order to have peace in the area. Transfer of Arabs from the Holy Land is, without a doubt, the best solution. Once upon a time, that concept was looked upon with disfavor by "liberals". Whereas, they saw no difficulty in transferring Jews out of their homes in historical Judea and Samaria, as far as Arabs are concerned, that was taboo. Yet the fact remains that the Promised Land was promised by G-d to the Jews only. This fact is recognized even in the Koran.

Most Arabs came into the Holy Land from surrounding Arab lands within the last 100 years. Transfer could be made to Jordan where the majority of the population is made up of so-called Palestinian Arabs. Or they can be sent back to many of the Arab lands from which these Arabs originally emigrated to Israel. Fair payment can be made to those Arabs who agree to leave the Holy Land. Arabs who wish to remain, can do so, provided they agree to be a citizen of a Jewish State. The United States and the E.U. would have to play a major role in this enterprise. Both of them have been anyhow pouring substantial monies into the area; their monies could be used more effectively for the purpose of resettling Arabs.

Transfer would require the cooperation of many of the surrounding Arab States, something with which Arab governments have heretofore not had a very good track record. However, if the U.S. and the E.U. brought sufficient pressure, that problem could be overcome. What is needed is a determination to bring peace to this important area of the world, and there is nothing more logical and simple than to allow for a vibrant democratic Jewish State living peacefully with its neighbors. Transferring Arabs out of the Holy Land not only complies with G-d's Promise, but will definitely assist in making this desired goal possible.

Jerusalem, September 30, 2003
Ruth and Nadia Matar

[Batman]

The international roots of transfer (http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/11/20/Opinion/Opinion.38425.html)

[Batman]

Transfer (http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/t/transfer.html)

excerpts:::::

Transfer is a method of resolving an ethnic conflict by transferring the minority population in a mixed-population territory into a territory where it is the majority, and has its own self-government.
In the early 20th century, a transfer solution was successfully implemented between Greece and Turkey, where ethnic Greeks living in Turkey were transferred to Greece and vice versa.........


The dismantling of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in exchange for the Palestinians giving up the right of return, an idea with considerable support among Israelis, can also be seen as a form of transfer. It is also a common opinion that Jews were already effectively transferred out of Arab countries in 1948, and to complete the solution, Arabs currently living in the Land of Israel (Palestine) should be relocated to Arab lands.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Batman
TRANSFER OF ARABS IS THE
ONLY SOLUTION FOR PEACE!

By Ruth and Nadia Matar

For many years now, Arafat, through his educational system, has inculcated Arab children with hatred of Jews. He has been extraordinarily successful. Aided and abetted by his daily Arab propaganda network directedboth to adults and children, Arafat has effectuated a hatred against Jews that is irremediable. He has innovated suicide bombings of civilians, honoring, even posthumously, the maker of bombs and suicide bombers. Generations of children growing up in the Palestinian Authority school system have had ingrained in them that killing Jews is desirable. This inclination has become an integral part of Arab culture. As a result, 1200 Jews have been killed, and literally many, many thousands maimed for life.

Arafat promises those who die in suicide bombings to be instantaneously rewarded. He labels them "heroes." There have been so many children growing up with this orientation, that no "true peace" between Jew and Arab can ever be realistically obtained. That Arabs in the future will live side by side in peace with Jews, does not square with the facts, nor with the daily murder of Jews by Arabs.

The Road Map, sponsored by the European Union, the U.N., and Russia, as well as U.S. Secretary of State Powell and President Bush, has not taken reality into consideration. The Road Map is essentially the Saudi Arabian solution to the Mid-East problem, and as such is one sided and basically unfair.

Radically new thinking is required in order to have peace in the area. Transfer of Arabs from the Holy Land is, without a doubt, the best solution. Once upon a time, that concept was looked upon with disfavor by "liberals". Whereas, they saw no difficulty in transferring Jews out of their homes in historical Judea and Samaria, as far as Arabs are concerned, that was taboo. Yet the fact remains that the Promised Land was promised by G-d to the Jews only. This fact is recognized even in the Koran.

Most Arabs came into the Holy Land from surrounding Arab lands within the last 100 years. Transfer could be made to Jordan where the majority of the population is made up of so-called Palestinian Arabs. Or they can be sent back to many of the Arab lands from which these Arabs originally emigrated to Israel. Fair payment can be made to those Arabs who agree to leave the Holy Land. Arabs who wish to remain, can do so, provided they agree to be a citizen of a Jewish State. The United States and the E.U. would have to play a major role in this enterprise. Both of them have been anyhow pouring substantial monies into the area; their monies could be used more effectively for the purpose of resettling Arabs.

Transfer would require the cooperation of many of the surrounding Arab States, something with which Arab governments have heretofore not had a very good track record. However, if the U.S. and the E.U. brought sufficient pressure, that problem could be overcome. What is needed is a determination to bring peace to this important area of the world, and there is nothing more logical and simple than to allow for a vibrant democratic Jewish State living peacefully with its neighbors. Transferring Arabs out of the Holy Land not only complies with G-d's Promise, but will definitely assist in making this desired goal possible.

Jerusalem, September 30, 2003
Ruth and Nadia Matar

Ever heard this ancient joke:

An elderly jewish woman is coming to a matchmaking service, she comes to one of the workers and sais:
"I am looking for a husband, I want him to be young, good looking, rich, educated, with no bad habits and of course he must be jewish" The agent looks in his portfolio " Yes we have the perfect man he is one of the Rotschild's he is in his late 20s he doesn't smoke nor drink, he is very good looking but he is very smart too he was educated in the best schools of europe, but with all this he is a very good man and he gives much of his wealth to charity"
Old Lady: "Yes! he is perfect! I agree"
MAtchmaker: Very good, Now we just have to convince Rotchild"

[Batman]

Originally posted by KSO
Ever heard this ancient joke:

An elderly jewish woman is coming to a matchmaking service, she comes to one of the workers and sais:
"I am looking for a husband, I want him to be young, good looking, rich, educated, with no bad habits and of course he must be jewish" The agent looks in his portfolio " Yes we have the perfect man he is one of the Rotschild's he is in his late 20s he doesn't smoke nor drink, he is very good looking but he is very smart too he was educated in the best schools of europe, but with all this he is a very good man and he gives much of his wealth to charity"
Old Lady: "Yes! he is perfect! I agree"
MAtchmaker: Very good, Now we just have to convince Rotchild"


Funny.

:)

However, let's not forget that only some 65 years ago Israel was also A dream.


ps; but these ARabs are no Rothchilds, you will be surprised if Israel was determined how easily they will capitulate and take the offer and run.

IT's the ugly Europeans who may be just too busy with the Islamomaniacs to pay attention that i wonder about...but then again it is to be expected that they don't like the Jews to live in peace and prosperity..and what will Bush do? Whose side is he on? and why hasn'the developed some other means of producing oil already?

[KSO]

Originally posted by Batman
Funny.

:)

However, let's not forget that only some 65 years ago Israel was also A dream.


ps; but these ARabs are no Rothchilds, you will be surprised if Israel was determined how easily they will capitulate and take the offer and run.

IT's the ugly Europeans who may be just too busy with the Islamomaniacs to pay attention that i wonder about...but then again it is to be expected that they don't like the Jews to live in peace and prosperity..and what will Bush do? Whose side is he on? and why hasn'the developed some other means of producing oil already?

65 years ago Israel wasn't a dream, While Independance was declared in 48 all the infrostructures that a country requires were created in the 20s and 30s, and the Rotchild joke comes to all those who think that Jordan (a country that is rulled by a minority) will accept 3-4 millions of people, nor Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or any other country, we must face reality there Is no other practical and realistic solution but Palestinian State and separation.

[Batman]

Originally posted by KSO
65 years ago Israel wasn't a dream, While Independance was declared in 48 all the infrostructures that a country requires were created in the 20s and 30s, and the Rotchild joke comes to all those who think that Jordan (a country that is rulled by a minority) will accept 3-4 millions of people, nor Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or any other country, we must face reality there Is no other practical and realistic solution but Palestinian State and separation.

That's the biggest NIGHTMARE. The reason that Jordan does not want the ARabs of Israel is because this is a known thug and criminal population.....but to go make them into a separate CRIMINAL MONSTER NATION is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

The Jordanian Kings are not the same as the 70% Arab Palestinian population. Therefore they are afraid of adding more of these people. But they expect Israel to bear with this!!!!!!?

Jordan has the same population of Arab Palestinians. It is Jordan who needs to cater to its own people.

The Jews who were thrown out, TRANSFERRED and VIOLENTLY SO to put it mildly, of the Arab lands did not have a replacement.

Besides, why shouldn't these 3-4 million Arabs populate the VAST ARAB lands?

These ARab countries will capitulate for the right reason.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Batman
That's the biggest NIGHTMARE. Jordan has the same population of Arab Palestinians. It is Jordan who needs to cater to its own people.

The Jews who were thrown out, TRANSFERRED and VIOLENTLY SO to put it mildly, of the Arab lands did not have a replacement.

Besides, why shouldn't these 3-4 million Arabs populate the VAST ARAB lands?

These ARab countries will capitulate for the right reason.

Jews werent transfered out of Arab countries they Left (many because they Feared a violent Transfer)

[Batman]

Originally posted by KSO
Jews werent transfered out of Arab countries they Left (many because they Feared a violent Transfer)


Oh, ok.....you mean when the Jews left everything behind and ran for their lives on camel backs and by foot through the deserts .... (ps: don't forget about 700,000 to a million (not sure somewhere between there) Jews were forced out of Arab lands since 1948)

yeah, thats not transfer. Transfer is a lot nicer. The Arabs will probably get to fly home to Jordan. Or ride in Limos, if they're smart to accept the proposal.

.........

[KSO]

Originally posted by Batman
Oh, ok.....you mean when the Jews left everything behind and ran for their lives on camel backs and by foot through the deserts .... (ps: don't forget about 700,000 to a million (not sure somewhere between there) Jews were forced out of Arab lands since 1948)

yeah, thats not transfer. Transfer is a lot nicer. The Arabs will probably get to fly home to Jordan. Or ride in Limos, if they're smart to accept the proposal.

.........

Again not eveybody left because of fear, many left because of religious views, mayn because of zionist ideas, many wanted to create a new life, and Yes many were afraid, but they werent forced out, There are not many but there are jews in Arab countries, they are not lynched nor massacred, they practice they religion there just like jews everywhere.

[Batman]

Originally posted by KSO
Again not eveybody left because of fear, many left because of religious views, mayn because of zionist ideas, many wanted to create a new life, and Yes many were afraid, but they werent forced out, There are not many but there are jews in Arab countries, they are not lynched nor massacred, they practice they religion there just like jews everywhere.

The majority did leave because of fear and threats.

see:

"In 1948, nearly 900,000 Jews -- indigenous to the Middle East and North Africa -- lived in what are now known as the "Arab States."

Today, 99% of these ancient Jewish communities no longer exist in the lands where we lived for thousands of years.

Arab governments forced us to leave, confiscated our property and stripped us of our citizenship."

JEWS INDIGENOUS TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA- JIMENA (http://www.jimena-justice.org/index.htm)

Read some of the stories of the Jews expelled from Arab lands:
http://www.jimena-justice.org/conference/conference.htm

http://www.jimena-justice.org/personal/personal_stories.htm


REGARDING THE JEWS LEFT IN ARAB LANDS:

Jews Expelled from Arab Lands Forgotten (http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/isreport/june02/forgotten.html)

EXCERPT:

"CJN: How many Jews are still in the Muslim Arab countries?
Shmuel Trigano: About 10,000 Jews still live in the Arab-Muslim world, mainly in Morocco, and, to a lesser degree, in Tunisia. There are also a few thousand in Iran. The Iranian Jews cannot emigrate. Otherwise, the entire Arab world has been emptied of its Jews. We have to remember that what happened to 60 per cent of Israel's Jews is directly related to the history of the Arab nation states. When the Arab nation states were created in the Islamic Arab world, there was no longer any place for the Jews in those states."

NOTICE THE COMMENT:
"When the Arab nation states were created in the Islamic Arab world, there was no longer any place for the Jews in those states.""

[Binyamin]

Originally posted by KSO
Jews werent transfered out of Arab countries they Left (many because they Feared a violent Transfer)

A good point except that its wrong. I'll have to remeber this qoute when you post some garbage about the Palastinian refugees.

[Mediocrates]

About 800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab countries 1948-1954. Only an idiot would conclude that people who had been there for a thousand years would wake up one day, call up the police to march them away at gunpoint leaving everything behind.

Are you an idiot Kayso?

[Batman]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
About 800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab countries 1948-1954. Only an idiot would conclude that people who had been there for a thousand years would wake up one day, call up the police to march them away at gunpoint leaving everything behind.

Are you an idiot Kayso?

KSO is an agent for minimizing Jewish tragedy and encouraging Jewish guilt and sowing doubts in Jewish hearts and minds . He is not an Idiot in the truest sense of the word (although of course others may disagree) because he knows what he is doing here in Israel Forum. Sharpening Claws.

[Batman]

http://www.smolanim.com/articles/transfer.html ( IS TRANSFER THE ANSWER? Livio Rosenberg



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"The killing and abusing of civilians, the demolition of civilian property and collective punishment, all actions carried out by the IDF in the occupied territories, are breaches of international law," Gush Shalom, Jerusalem Post Internet Edition, Aug 4, 2002).

Human rights groups in Israel and political movements such as Peace Now, Shachar and Betzelem are protesting civilian casualties among the Palestinian Arabs. Right wing groups in Israel are torn apart as they see body bags with the remains of Jewish victims of Arab terrorism. President Bush said on August 4th, "I am distressed to hear about the latest suicide bombers in Israel," Bush told reporters before teeing off for a round of golf with his father, former President George Bush (J Post).

To briefly recap the events of August 4th, an ordinary day in Israel: At 8:45am a homicide-bomber detonated inside a bus at a junction near the northern city of Sfad, killing nine and injuring 40. Three shooting attacks in the Shomron leaves 3 injured around lunch time. In Jerusalem a Bezek (Phone Company) employee is shot dead in his van by a 19-year-old Palestinian terrorist close to the Old City. A shoot-out leaves an Arab passer-by dead as well. At night a family is ambushed in the Shomron. A Jewish father and mother are murdered in cold blood in front of their children who also sustain injuries. An Arab armed with 8 grenades and a Kalashnikov assault rifle is caught scuba-diving trying to infiltrate inside a Jewish community in Gaza.

It is insanity and politicians do not have an answer. Both the 'humanitarians' and the 'Zionists' are upset, not to mention Bush’s 'distress'. Sharon, the Likud and Labor are a disgrace. It seems to be that as long as they get their paycheck and a few bodyguards each, Jewish corpses of men, women and children don't really face these people. Arabs must be transferred out of the land, that is obvious, and anyone who says the contrary is either an anti-Semite or an apathetic gentilized dwarf just like our leaders. The liberals and humanitarians and democrats and demagogues will argue that the way to calm the situation down is by alleviating the economic strain on the Palestinians. Sharon's government rewarded these Jew-haters with 70 million shekels as a sign of 'good-will' two days before August 4th (And some say terror doesn't pay!). And terror continued. It was on July 19th that Peres was quoted by the Itim news agency as saying the Palestinians' harsh living condition must be alleviated in order to create motivation for the fight against terror. 70 million shekels and an ease on restrictions produced: more terror.

Load the buses with these poor displaced people and put them where they rightfully belong. Put them in Jordan. I have the feeling that if the government refuses to do so, the Lion of Judah will awake, and the wrath of the Jewish people will explode on all the Arabs of Israel. Imagine Gush Shalom then, if now that barely any civilian (read: accomplice of terror) is killed as collateral damage, imagine their outraged when Judah explodes on them. Let us hope that the gentilized dwarfs that lead our nation will realize that in order to spare the lives of both Jews and Arabs, they better start loading the buses immediately.

I want to see Jewish children playing in the streets and parks, climbing our mountains, swimming and enjoying without the constant fear of terror. That will only happen when we start transferring the Arabs out.

With Love of Israel,
Livio Rosenberg