The Enemy within...

[Alfred]

It is tough to fight a war external of the US when the real war is being fought within the US. Just as Rome, Greece, Soviet Union, Israel (twice before Christ and perhaps one more time in our life times) and many other countries have fallen, the US is also being destroyed; from within.

The Left is the real enemy of America, for it saps the moral fiber of America, it is the friend of our enemies. From Communism in the 30's-90's, to the Viet Kong, to the Sandinistas, to the Soviet Empire, to the Islamic nazis. The Left cares nothing for America, it only cares about its international agenda. America is the enemy of the Left and the Left is the enemy of America.

This election will be the most devisive in US History...just short of the pre- Civil War election. We almost came to blows in 2000 and we may witness actual internal inter-party conflict over this election.

The real enemy of America cares NOTHING about our 'war' on the evil Islam. And yes, you will see most of your Leftwing 'pro-Israel" jewish friends vote against Israel this fall....for Liberalism is far more important the America...and it is far more important than Israel. It is a religion that is far more deadly than even Islam.

Alfred....

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MEDIA MATTERS
U.S. journalist wants war to fail
Editors believe it would ensure 'evil' Bush ousted

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Posted: May 15, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A British reporter says a U.S. journalist in Baghdad told him she wants to see more Iraqis die so President Bush will be thrown out of office in November.

Toby Harnden, Middle East correspondent for the London Daily Telegraph, said he engaged in the conversation while taking a break by the pool at the Al-Hamra Hotel in the Iraqi capital.

In an opinion piece for the Spectator magazine of Britain, Harnden said at poolside he "was accosted by an American magazine journalist of serious accomplishment and impeccable liberal credentials."

The American journalist told Harnden she had been disturbed by his argument that Iraqis were better off now than under Saddam Hussein.

Harnden said he heard from her the usual "script" from antiwar activists, "no WMD, no 'imminent threat' (though the point was to deal with Saddam before such a threat could emerge), a diversion from the hunt for bin Laden, enraging the Arab world, etc."

But the American then came to her point, Hernden said.

"Not only had she 'known' the Iraq war would fail but she considered it essential that it did so because this would ensure that the 'evil' George W. Bush would no longer be running her country.

"Her editors back on the East Coast were giggling, she said, over what a disaster Iraq had turned out to be. 'Lots of us talk about how awful it would be if this worked out.'"

"Startled by her candor," said Herndon, "I asked whether thousands more dead Iraqis would be a good thing."

The British journalist said, "She nodded and mumbled something about Bush needing to go."

He then suggest to her that by this logic another Sept. 11 attack, on about Sept. 11, would be perfect for pushing up John Kerry's poll numbers.

"Well, that's different — that would be Americans," she said, haltingly, according to Harnden. "I guess I'm a bit of an isolationist."

In his column, Harnden then commented on the "moral degeneracy of these sentiments," concluding with:

"Whatever we thought about the war before it was launched, it is imperative that the forces of Arab nationalism and Islamism that now threaten to destroy Iraq are defeated. If America fails in Iraq it will be all of us in the West, not just Bush, who will suffer. But those who would be most in peril, of course, would be the Iraqis, who deserve better than to have their country treated as an electoral playground by the American Left or Right. To wish otherwise is as sick as the grins on the faces of the Abu Ghraib torturers."

[varian]

I one wants a view of Iraqi treatment of POW's, then pick up a copy of Andy McNabb's Bravo Two-Zero and see how some British SAS operators were treated during the "Gulf War." If the U.S. doesn't condone such behavior, explain the purpose of "Black Ops." Although some of the behavior was questionable, it seems like only the American media and those with future political ambitions are reacting with heightened pseudo-revulsion. So much for supporting the rest of the troops. Bush sent the troops to war with one hand tied behind their backs, and the next JFK will keep them there with the other hand tied and under UN control (eg. no ammmo or back-up). There is an alarming dearth of leadership in the US, as well as the rest of the world. With either of these hose brains at the helm of the US government, Israel had better watch her back.

[philingraham]

The true "Enemy Within", are the purveyors of incendiary rhetoric championed by people like yourself and guru Michael Savage, the author of "The Enemy Within". If people like you have your way, civil war in The States and a War of Civilizations is inevitable.

The only way to avoid this horrendous liklihood is to first tone down the rhetoric. Second, see your liberal neighbor as part of yourself. Third, trust but verify every statement and action our Muslim enemies make. Our mission is not remake everyone out there in our own image, but rather to set an example to The World of what it means to be a free and open society dedicated to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by philingraham
The true "Enemy Within", are the purveyors of incendiary rhetoric championed by people like yourself and guru Michael Savage, the author of "The Enemy Within". If people like you have your way, civil war in The States and a War of Civilizations is inevitable.

The only way to avoid this horrendous liklihood is to first tone down the rhetoric. Second, see your liberal neighbor as part of yourself. Third, trust but verify every statement and action our Muslim enemies make. Our mission is not remake everyone out there in our own image, but rather to set an example to The World of what it means to be a free and open society dedicated to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

What about the journalist in the article?

[philingraham]

Originally posted by Mira
What about the journalist in the article?


She is another purveyor of incendiary rhetoric...

[varian]

Incenary rhetoric is what the US is founded on, (eg. ... down with king and royalty.). The neuvo - royalty in the US, better known as the Congress of the United States, is worse than old King George. It is compose of groups calling themselves Independents (insignificant); Republicans (invertebrates); & Democrats (pond scum). The US military is sworn to defend against all enemies, both foreign & domestic. I'm just waiting for US air power to eliminate the largest body of domestic perversion and human refuse, as well as the greatest enemy to our free society; the Congress of the United States. Last time I read the First Amendment, it still allowed freedom of speech. I'm tired of seeing the military being cannon fodder for the inept politicians; as well as tired of seeing them used as the whipping boys (girls) for the brand of yellow journalism that this country calls the "fourth estate." May they all become "collateral damage." I really don't know who Michael Savage is, but you come across as a typical partisan political pimp, sans talking points.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by varian
Incenary rhetoric is what the US is founded on, (eg. ... down with king and royalty.). The neuvo - royalty in the US, better known as the Congress of the United States, is worse than old King George. It is compose of groups calling themselves Independents (insignificant); Republicans (invertebrates); & Democrats (pond scum). The US military is sworn to defend against all enemies, both foreign & domestic. I'm just waiting for US air power to eliminate the largest body of domestic perversion and human refuse, as well as the greatest enemy to our free society; the Congress of the United States. Last time I read the First Amendment, it still allowed freedom of speech. I'm tired of seeing the military being cannon fodder for the inept politicians; as well as tired of seeing them used as the whipping boys (girls) for the brand of yellow journalism that this country calls the "fourth estate." May they all become "collateral damage." I really don't know who Michael Savage is, but you come across as a typical partisan political pimp, sans talking points.
Would somebody show this idiot the door!?

[Alfred]

Originally posted by philingraham

The only way to avoid this horrendous liklihood is to first tone down the rhetoric. Second, see your liberal neighbor as part of yourself. Third, trust but verify every statement and action our Muslim enemies make. Our mission is not remake everyone out there in our own image, but rather to set an example to The World of what it means to be a free and open society dedicated to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Very noble sounding words but just as Mr. Berg found out....if the bad guys want you dead and you cannot stop them; you are dead. Despite good intentions.

There is a difference between "liberal neighbors" and the liberal movement. The liberal movement in its very highest political form wants no part of free speech. If it can get away with it, it would ban Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity et. al. It would force its version of marriage, abortion, free trade, international oversight etc. on all of us. It works through judicial fiat versus votes.

He who counts the votes is the most powerful. That will be the war cry come November. Mark my words, there will be many Florida's if Bush wins.

But the point of my post is that the missionaries of the God of Liberalism care not for America or for Israel. They are willing to sacrifice both to the alter of Internatational Socialism. You can see it in the media and in their views. We saw very similar reporting in Viet Nam....regardless of what most thought of the war, the "New Left did not want America to leave Viet Nam, they wanted America to be defeated in Viet Nam" (quote from David Horowitz)

Theeeeeeeir Baaaaaack!

[varian]

Originally posted by MichaelC
Would somebody show this idiot the door!?

You sound upset because "Left is seldom right." Then of course "Right is usually wrong." Moderates don't have a clue, and apparently you don't either Mikey. I guess having an opinion isn't allowed in your country, even if you consider it idiotic. During Viet Nam there were two slogans going around:

America - Love it or leave it!
and:
America - Change it or loose it!

Change it or loose it has always had more appeal to me. But forgive me, I forget myself. Why would someone of your "esteemed" stature want to dialog with a "idiot?" You're one Mike that most people would probably not want to be like anyway.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by varian
You sound upset because "Left is seldom right." Then of course "Right is usually wrong." Moderates don't have a clue, and apparently you don't either Mikey. I guess having an opinion isn't allowed in your country, even if you consider it idiotic. During Viet Nam there were two slogans going around:

America - Love it or leave it!
and:
America - Change it or loose it!

Change it or loose it has always had more appeal to me. But forgive me, I forget myself. Why would someone of your "esteemed" stature want to dialog with a "idiot?" You're one Mike that most people would probably not want to be like anyway.
My opinion is that you will not be a member of this board much longer, so offering you any "advice" is probably a waste of time, but perhaps you would be wiser to familiarize yourself with posts in the various forums, particularly those posts of people you would like to accuse of something. Your words already bytray your neglect of that, and are evidence of your ignorance in general.

[varian]

Alfred,
I want to apologize if my reply has offended you. I think that your post was a very good post with many valid points. I just spent a few months as a DoD contractor with some of America's finest young people, and many of them are as sick as I am of hearing opinions of "self-hating Americans;" along with the numerous political hacks in both government and media who seem to despise them and everything that they precieve that their service stands for. If the "self-hating American" political movement can't handle the job (and to be honest, their record is truly dismal) then there are a lot of fine men and women in the military that will be only too happy to save their country from the political doldrums that have been the norm for decades. The US doesn't have a civilian group smart enough or talented enough to utilize the military properly, and since the military are the ones putting it on the line, I feel they should have more control of their own destiny. One of the most humorous oxymorons is "Senate Intelligence Committee," or which side of the aisle gets to ask the dumbest questions. And Mike calls me an idiot. Ever watch CSPAN??? Again, I apologize for getting your post on a tangent.

[philingraham]

Originally posted by varian
You sound upset because "Left is seldom right." Then of course "Right is usually wrong." Moderates don't have a clue, and apparently you don't either Mikey. I guess having an opinion isn't allowed in your country, even if you consider it idiotic. During Viet Nam there were two slogans going around:

America - Love it or leave it!
and:
America - Change it or loose it!

Change it or loose it has always had more appeal to me. But forgive me, I forget myself. Why would someone of your "esteemed" stature want to dialog with a "idiot?" You're one Mike that most people would probably not want to be like anyway.

Varian, You have been standing out in the sun too long...

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by varian
Incenary rhetoric is what the US is founded on, (eg. ... down with king and royalty.). The neuvo - royalty in the US, better known as the Congress of the United States, is worse than old King George. It is compose of groups calling themselves Independents (insignificant); Republicans (invertebrates); & Democrats (pond scum). The US military is sworn to defend against all enemies, both foreign & domestic. I'm just waiting for US air power to eliminate the largest body of domestic perversion and human refuse, as well as the greatest enemy to our free society; the Congress of the United States. Last time I read the First Amendment, it still allowed freedom of speech. I'm tired of seeing the military being cannon fodder for the inept politicians; as well as tired of seeing them used as the whipping boys (girls) for the brand of yellow journalism that this country calls the "fourth estate." May they all become "collateral damage." I really don't know who Michael Savage is, but you come across as a typical partisan political pimp, sans talking points.

I often feel like that, about our Knesset, our parlament. Some of the MK are real aristocrates although withno titles... I was a regular soldier and now I'm in reserve. I know how fellow soldiers are killed because of inept policies, stupid legal procedures plain old stupidity and carelessness. I hate it terribly. It is official, that our politicians are responsible for strengthing the enemy and all the terrorism and death sustained since.

Democracy, has many problems, and obviously the enemy expolites it every where they can. Yet, any other option with come up with worst reasults.

You can improve democracy by improving education. Use free speach to your advantage in promoting new ways of thinking and problem solving. Reduce the fallse morality that cost us so many lives. Offer real solutions to current problems. You can fight the inept politicians through organization.

[Mediocrates]

Does varian advocate a military junta for the US?

[varian]

Junta? The thought used to sound scary.
But after one evaluates the garbage "freely elected" to the American political process, the thought doesn't sound so scary anymore. Unfortunately the US will have to endure a culture of political lemmings for many years to come. As far as being in the sun too long; it is getting to be over 100 degrees F on a regular basis, but at least I do get out. I applaud Israel for taking the war on terror to the next level. At least she is not a total pawn of the inept US government. But then again, what does an idiot who has been out in the sun too long know?? You think I'm a vagrant, but I'm just another veteran sick of American political ineptitude.

[Alfred]

Originally posted by varian
Alfred,
I want to apologize if my reply has offended you. I think that your post was a very good post with many valid points. I just spent a few months as a DoD contractor with some of America's finest young people, and many of them are as sick as I am of hearing opinions of "self-hating Americans;" along with the numerous political hacks in both government and media who seem to despise them and everything that they precieve that their service stands for. If the "self-hating American" political movement can't handle the job (and to be honest, their record is truly dismal) then there are a lot of fine men and women in the military that will be only too happy to save their country from the political doldrums that have been the norm for decades. The US doesn't have a civilian group smart enough or talented enough to utilize the military properly, and since the military are the ones putting it on the line, I feel they should have more control of their own destiny. One of the most humorous oxymorons is "Senate Intelligence Committee," or which side of the aisle gets to ask the dumbest questions. And Mike calls me an idiot. Ever watch CSPAN??? Again, I apologize for getting your post on a tangent.

No, your post does not offend me. I just wasn't sure what you were getting at. If I understand you correctly, then I pretty much agree with many of your points.

The first time I was in the military, I was on the front lines....cannon fodder so to speak. The second time I was in the military (reserves), I was in Intel. That way I could tell the cannon fodder which hill to charge instead of charging it myself :)

I have a very basic doctrine. Never go to war unless you are willing to do everything to win it....using every weapon at your disposal. Korea and Viet Nam were not wars; they were police actions. Iraq One and Iraq Two are closer to wars but are still police actions in my view. Otherwise there wouldn't be one city still standing if it resisted post war (ala Germany and Japan).

If America ever went to war with the Arabs then I would support it. But I do not much support these half-arsed PC police actions.

I am also starting to question the Bush attempt to pacify the Midldle East as a bargaining point with Israel. I think the US should give Israel carte blanche the next time Hezbollah or the Gazian androids attack. We clearly thought we could civilize Iraq and the the rest of the ME. I don't think Arabic Islam can be civilized. We just have to let them be who they are and bomb the hell out of them if they bother us.

Sad to say, that is the conclusion I have come to.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Alfred
No, your post does not offend me. I just wasn't sure what you were getting at. If I understand you correctly, then I pretty much agree with many of your points.

The first time I was in the military, I was on the front lines....cannon fodder so to speak. The second time I was in the military (reserves), I was in Intel. That way I could tell the cannon fodder which hill to charge instead of charging it myself :)

I have a very basic doctrine. Never go to war unless you are willing to do everything to win it....using every weapon at your disposal. Korea and Viet Nam were not wars; they were police actions. Iraq One and Iraq Two are closer to wars but are still police actions in my view. Otherwise there wouldn't be one city still standing if it resisted post war (ala Germany and Japan).

If America ever went to war with the Arabs then I would support it. But I do not much support these half-arsed PC police actions.

I am also starting to question the Bush attempt to pacify the Midldle East as a bargaining point with Israel. I think the US should give Israel carte blanche the next time Hezbollah or the Gazian androids attack. We clearly thought we could civilize Iraq and the the rest of the ME. I don't think Arabic Islam can be civilized. We just have to let them be who they are and bomb the hell out of them if they bother us.

Sad to say, that is the conclusion I have come to.

Well stated Alfred, it has been my fear from the start of the US and allied action in Iraq. It has been turned into a PC police action, and those on the frontlines are paying dearly for it. All because of what you have just stated above... we've seen this before and felt its aftermath.