20 Facts

[Gatorade]

I found this is a good read. It sums up a lot of what I have learned in the past month or so since I have been trying to learn as much as I can on this stuff.

http://www.empoweramerica.org/stories/storyReader$515

Twenty facts about Israel and the Middle East
4/24/2002

On April 24, 2002, Bill Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Jeane Kirkpatrick issued an open memorandum (attached below) about Israel and the Middle East. These 20 facts will help serve as a primer for those trying to understand the historical context of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East.

The only real controversial fact I see is:

"Despite claims that the Israeli settlements in the West Bank are the obstacle to peace, Jews lived there for centuries before being massacred or driven out by invading Arab armies in 1948-49. And contrary to common misperceptions, Israeli settlements--which constitute less than two percent of the territories--almost never displace Palestinians"

Does anyone know of any websites that have statistics citing how many Palestinians have been displaced by the settlements?

How about the peace offer in 2000 with the settlements.

What was offered in terms of how many were to be dismantled? I have heard all in Gaza and all by 4-6% on the West Bank but cannot find a good website for this info.

Any other good info or discussion on this "fact" would be appreciated?

[Gatorade]

Since I don't want to clutter the board and no one responded the my first message, I figure I would just add to it.

Did anyone see Alan Keyes last night? Damn that was funny. Keyes played a bunch of clips of PLO spokesmen saying massacre, massacre, massacre at Jenin and then went through the current evidence that doesn’t point towards a massacre.
Keyes used Ibish, an Arab spokesman, as a verbal punching bag. Ibish couldn't defend himself and was pounded. I almost felt sorry for the guy. At one point Keyes was laughing at him. It was brutal. The ref would have called the fight if it was in a ring.

Keyes is great when his temper gets going and he starts frothing at the mouth.

It looks like Arafat will have to watch his back. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) cannot be happy that he used 5 of their members as a bargaining chip for his release. They aren’t a nice group to mess with and have threatened Arafat's life in the past.

I heard a radio report that in Israel they are showing a video clip of a “dead” Palestinian on a stretcher being paraded down the street in the West Bank as they do as sort of a funeral. At one point they drop the stretcher and the guy on the stretcher stands up and sits back in the stretcher and acts dead again. I looked for the video on the internet but couldn’t find it. If this tape exists, that would be funny as hell to see. Who knows if the report is true though.

[Vic]

Originally posted by Gatorade

Does anyone know of any websites that have statistics citing how many Palestinians have been displaced by the settlements?
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Just noticed your question. I doubt there can be statistics on the issue that can be reliable. Which side would they come from?

[Gatorade]

Well, there could be some estimates.

The percentage of land the settlements, umm for lack of better word, occupy should be a number that most people agree upon. I just cannot find it.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Gatorade Did anyone see Alan Keyes last night? How'd you like to be a diplomat who had to negotiate with him when he was a sitting ambassador!

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Anyone read Warriors for Jerusalem? Any opinions?

How accurate is this book review? The quotes from the website review make it sound like Israel didn't really need to do a preemptive strike.


http://www.leb.net/~bcome/palestine/1967-war.html

[L@mplighterM]

I glanced through the article and its Arab propaganda made to sound like the truth. Based on all the information that I?ve read a preemptive strike was in order and justified.

A little more smarts like that in history and many more conflicts could have been avoided. I think if Chamberlain and the rest of the alliance would have bombed Berlin and a couple of other major German cities it would have set Hitler back a notch or two and WW II would have been avoided.

Like who?s kidding who? Should Israel have waited until the whole Arab World had mobilized its armed forces on its borders? Hey! If you don?t want a conflict be a good neighbor.

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National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, appearing on the Fox News Sunday said, "We are not going to try to choose the leadership for the Palestinian people. Chairman Arafat is there... but he does have responsibilities that he has not been meeting and we are going to press him."

Why was it okay for the US to choose the leadership of Afganistan and looks like it will be soon changing the leadership in Iraq? If Sharon has proof of Arafat’s involvement in terrorism, why wouldn't the US support (not assinate) for a change of leadership for the Palestinian Authority?

[Gatorade]

Anyone know what got up Michael Hoffman’s butthole? How could he with any rational basis attempt to compare the Palestinian situation to the Holocaust? If you type Holocaust in search engines, you get his site.

http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine.html

I can see someone having a pro-Palestinian web-site to express their opinoins, but his website really is sick, distorted and disturbing. Is this guy crazy and suffer a bad case of Pale Penis Syndrome?

PPS is a mental disorder whose suffers when they reject the axiom that might doesn't make right they conclude that those with might can never be right. Symptoms include: (1) always rooting for the underdog — as if being an underdog is, of itself, noble; as if rapists and murderers cannot be underdogs too. (2) a reflexive desire to side with criminals, to "understand" every atrocity and barbarity committed.