EU Membership for Israel?

[Vic]

No joke. A tiny party with a couple of members in the European Parlament is pushing exactly for this:
http://www.radicalparty.org/
You can even sign a petition on their homepage :-)

[Belgium@EU]

What a joke! I don't think any of the 15 EU-members would like Israel to join in :D .

The basic principles of the EU are
I. respect for democracy
II. solidariry
III. all people are equal
IV. fundamental freedom

Israel doesn't like the EU, and the EU doesn't like Israel. Nothing to do with racism, but they don't get along.

[Mediocrates]

????Don't the French believe all Belgians are the rough equivalent of ignorant barefoot hillbillies????

Doesn't the EU have Greece and Turkey which worship human rights about as well as Pakistan or Thailand?

Don't the English still occupy Ireland?????

Bwahahaha chortle. Yeah you're evolved. hahahahahahah.

[Belgium@EU]

My god, you know more than me. I didn't know Turkey was a member of the EU. Now you tell me something new. Must have been decided yesterday, because some weeks ago, there was no chance of Turkey joining the EU, for the reasons said here.

Ohh, and the French are actually very good neighbours. It's only Americans who think we in Europe are still backward and that we don't have any organisation whatsoever.

Ohh, and before you start blaming us for not respecting human rights. Greece, since it is a member of the EU, respects human rights. Pakistan is a rogue states which your government supports, only because "general-slash-president-slash-dictator" musharraf gave you Air bases to perform missions over A'stan. Same for Thailand, which is an ally of the US. The EU doesn't have any relations with P'stan. Please, get your facts straight.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
What a joke! I don't think any of the 15 EU-members would like Israel to join in :D .

The basic principles of the EU are
I. respect for democracy
II. solidariry
III. all people are equal
IV. fundamental freedom

Israel doesn't like the EU, and the EU doesn't like Israel. Nothing to do with racism, but they don't get along. This is almost stated correctly. If I may, the following is more accurate:
"The basic principles of the EU are
I. respect for democracy if it's in the EU
II. solidariry of EU members and peoples
III. all EU people are equal
IV. fundamental freedom for EU members

[Vic]

Hi, everyone!
The initiators are just about begging for signatures by now - why not do something useful for a change? :-)
There is no chance they'll succeed, but in this part of the world it is never a bad idea to pat the few well-meaning people still around on the head :-)

[McSceptic]

The British are occupying Ireland? Not since 1922. That's the kind of misinformed comment that's fuelled American support for IRA terrorism. I guess Americans are a little wiser since September last year, eh?

Israel isn't even on the B-list for membership. And there would be problems, in that Israel gives preferential treatment to one religious/ethnic group whereas EU states are required to be impartial.

[Vic]

Originally posted by McSceptic
Israel isn't even on the B-list for membership. And there would be problems, in that Israel gives preferential treatment to one religious/ethnic group whereas EU states are required to be impartial.
Not really. Germany still gives preferential treatment to ethnic Germans.

[McSceptic]

For immigration? That's true, citizenship is acquired through parents rather than place of birth, and usually you can't have dual nationality. But everyone resident in Germany, whether German/naturalised or foreign, is equal before the law - a fundemental principle in Western societies.

Israel has a state policy of favouring one ethnic group over another. I think the most extreme form of it is the treatment of land, from some Israeli academics:

"An especially problematic aspect," the report says, "involves sustained involvement on the part of the Jewish National Fund and the Jewish Agency, which are exclusively Jewish organizations, in the state of Israel's official decision-making process."

The current situation fosters ever-increasing Jewish land-ownership and settlement building (within the Green Line), and prolonged stagnation in the Arab sector. The report puts it this way: "The Israeli land sphere is very dynamic, but changes are mainly one-directional. Israel's Jewish population continues with processes of settlement and expansion; in contrast, the Arab sector has for the past 50 years remained almost entirely 'frozen' in the same towns and villages."

It's this kind of thing that is limiting Israel's recognition as a modern, Western state. If you're a citizen you should have equal rights.

[Mediocrates]

how's the air up there on mt olympus? you think you are moral when in truth you are merely cowards.

[Moon]

And there would be problems, in that Israel gives preferential treatment to one religious/ethnic group whereas EU states are required to be impartial. Oh don't worry! Sooner or later, some UE members will face a large population of muslims and then I will like to see how impartial they're going to be. If imparciality means forgeting our own identity, than no thanks. :rolleyes:

[McSceptic]

Mt Olympus is in Greece (where all the human rights abuses are, apparently). And in fact the Greeks have had problems over this issue too. They're identity cards gave the religion of the holder, in a country which is something like 90%+ Greek Orthodox.

They've been forced to change, against massive opposition from the forces of obscurantism, to come into line with other EU states. It goes to show, we're not perfect, but that's not a reason not to keep trying to make your society better.

If you're argument is that you want an ethnically pure state (whatever that might look like), and you're prepared to bend the laws of your state to achieve it, then you really are in the same company as the Nazis and the Hutu militias.

I hope that isn't the case.

[Mediocrates]

What I want is the FIRST resolution to be obeyed - the one establishing a Jewish state. Anyone who can't get around or over or comfortable with that idea needs to pick out a wall and bang their head against it. Palestinian 'right of return' is a nonstarter. Period.

The so called Palestinian right of return is sham. Plain and simple a sham. What the PLO calls for is for every person who wishes to self proclaim themselves a Palestinian no matter where they live, under what circumstances or for how long to be forcibly repatriated back to Greater Palestine. You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it. And why did they supposedly leave in the first place, who are they how many and where?

[McSceptic]

You seem to have jumped onto a slightly different topic. To answer your question as best I can, I seem to recall reading that some 800,000 (?) Palestinians were identified as refugees following 1948. Apparently that was quite a rigorous count. That 800,000 has since grown to around 3 million.

I was more concerned about the Palestinians inside Israel proper not getting a fair shake of the stick. Even without the external pressures, you're going to destroy civil society if you run things with first class and second class citizens. The parallels are easy to find, US south, South Africa, Northern Ireland. At the very best you'll severely retard your society, at worst it'll blow up in your face.

European countries aren't trying to eliminate racial/ethnic discrimination in their own countries because it's a sweet idea, but because it's needed for a healthy society.

[Mediocrates]

Is that why "the European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) in Vienna — in an embarrassing dilemma. Such bodies are primed and ready to respond to anti-Semitic attacks carried out by Le Penites or neo-Nazis or 'extreme nationalists.' But attacks by Muslim ethnic minorities on Jews simply do not fit into their vision of what constitutes racism or xenophobia. And thus far they have shown little interest in monitoring who is committing them."

http://www.nationalreview.com/jos/jos050802.asp

Paragraph 9.

[Mediocrates]

"That 800,000" (or whatever number the UN accords which varies depending on the date and source of the report from 300-800K, apparently a half million arabs is easy to lose)

-Left of their own and/or were told to leave by their muftis and other leaders so that when the great armies of the Arab world crushed the Jews in 1948 they would be free to reenter and pick over the bones and properties of the survivors. Except of course for the hundreds of thousands who were dropped in refugee camps in Gaza by their Egyptian masters, 1948-1967. Let THEM go to their homeland too, it's a Cairo suburb.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by McSceptic
...And there would be problems, in that Israel gives preferential treatment to one religious/ethnic group whereas EU states are required to be impartial.
The EU "impartial"?? That's pretty amusing, really.

[Belgium@EU]

The EMC has nothing to do with the European Union. It's the COE (council of Europe) that controlls things like this (racism ...). The EU has only 15 members, the COE is a bigger organisation, the EU is part of it, but also 29 other European states. Please do not mix them up.

[Vic]

Originally posted by McSceptic
For immigration? That's true, citizenship is acquired through parents rather than place of birth, and usually you can't have dual nationality. But everyone resident in Germany, whether German/naturalised or foreign, is equal before the law - a fundemental principle in Western societies.
Not really. German and non-german citizens are not fully equal before law, and it is largely the ethnic aspect that decides whether or not someone is eligible for citizenship. The so-called foreigners who are not citizens of the EU and some "privileged" countries have a problematic status, even if they were born in the country. It may not be as apparent as it is in Israel, on the whole the inequality between ethnic Germans and, say, third-generation Turkish "immigrants" is greater than between Jews and Arabs in Israel.

[Vic]

But as bleak as the picture looks, Israel does not stand alone within the walls of the EU Parliament. Some 50 MEPs are now leading an energetic rear-guard political action against the anti-Israel tide in Europe's legislative body. They hail from various states and hold differing political views, most are non-Jewish and all are standing up for Israel despite the risk of significant personal cost to their political careers.

"For us, defending Israel is a matter of principle," says Belgium's Olivier Dupuis, a lawmaker inside the European Parliament's centrist Radical Party. "We are not just pro- Israel. More significantly, we view ourselves as pro-democracy activists. We are simply not going to let up."

...

Dupuis notes that one of the most striking features of the EU parliament's resolution on Israel was an explicit demand that Israel agree to accept the EU as a mediator.

"The secret to unlocking the EU's foreign policy is that there is no EU foreign policy," he insists. "Rather, many in Europe don't understand how it is a small country like Israel won't stand to attention when the EU issues instructions. The EU wants Israel to recognize its superpower status, but Israel won't oblige by letting the Europeans act as mediators in the peace process. This unsettles the pride of European policy bigwigs who long for the days when Europe ruled the world."


Read the whole article at http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1022691057070

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Vic
But as bleak as the picture looks, Israel does not stand alone within the walls of the EU Parliament. Some 50 MEPs are now leading an energetic rear-guard political action against the anti-Israel tide in Europe's legislative body. They hail from various states and hold differing political views, most are non-Jewish and all are standing up for Israel despite the risk of significant personal cost to their political careers.

Very good. This is the first good sign from the EU that I am aware of. Let's hope we see many more such signs.


"For us, defending Israel is a matter of principle," says Belgium's Olivier Dupuis, a lawmaker inside the European Parliament's centrist Radical Party. "We are not just pro- Israel. More significantly, we view ourselves as pro-democracy activists. We are simply not going to let up."

I wonder how long it will take before the Belgian Arabs and their professional apologists will attack Olivier Dupuis and demand his expulsion from the party.


The EU wants Israel to recognize its superpower status, but Israel won't oblige by letting the Europeans act as mediators in the peace process. This unsettles the pride of European policy bigwigs who long for the days when Europe ruled the world."

Fascinating and so true. Spoken by a European legislator who has the inside story on EU thought. The entire concept of the EU was to form a group of states to combat the U.S. economy. Now, all they need to do is start copying America's battle against evil -- starting with fighting anti-Semitism and racism in their own countries.

[Vic]

They have kept their pro-Israel stance for years, NewsGuy. You can see this if you follow the links at the beginning of the thread. It is under-reported, perhaps because it fits in no one's black-and-white picture, be it that of the "good Europeans" standing up heroically to the "Zionist-American lobby", or the "fascist Europeans" bent - down to the last man - on the destruction of Israel and the American way of life. The media loves simplistic depictions, doesn't it?

And - it's highly unlikely that Mr. Dupuis will lose his party membership, whoever "Belgian Arabs and their professional apologists" may be, in case they exist at all.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Vic http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1022691057070 How refreshing ... how rare!

[Night_Flight]

Hello all. im a turkish boy from Turkey/Ankara
im new here but the topic is interesting that i wanted to add something.

E.U is a spastic boy as an army and politics
but E.U is a prosperous boy as econmoically

when E.U commitee wanted to go to israel to negotiate peace talks,israel didnt allow them to enter israel lol. and israel didnt give visa to some greek repsentatives to enter the israel. cos israel is also aware that E.U is bad at all politic stuffs. E.U is just a economic union and i personally think that E.U is useless for Turkey...
Israel,Turkey,Azerbaijan,Georgia,Bulgaria,Albania and some Turkic nations would be an Effective Union.

those countries may appear weak economically but they got petrol gas and precious mines. as engaged in free trade whit eachother ,economy and real GDP will increase gradually for all of countries.

by the way i support israel in all fields. no im not a jew. im a Turkish muslim boy from Trukey
i hope turkish israeli relations will broaden in all fields. not only governments but also people.
regards,,,

[Night_Flight]

by the way EU is not a perfect union. and it represents itself as if it is the defender of human rgihts. well i should accept that sux.
its not democratic anyway. for example there are many kurds in Belgium and belgium politic parties consider PKK as a non-terrorist group just becouse pick up kurdish votes from kurds in belgium. the same situation is lived in france germany greece holland and italy. politicians are not democratic there. and there is no human rights as it is thought. PKK killed 30.000 people in turkey and there was kurdish people amongs them. can you think about it? PKK is a kurdish terrorist group but they also kill kurds in turkey and E.U supports that.
as i said E.U is a spastic boy as politics. it just a Economic union. and every country can develop an economic union, its not that hard.

[JustPat]

Night_Flight,
Welcome. Look forward to your input.

[Iori Yagami]

Originally posted by Night_Flight

Israel,Turkey,Azerbaijan,Georgia,Bulgaria,Albania and some Turkic nations would be an Effective Union.

those countries may appear weak economically but they got petrol gas and precious mines. as engaged in free trade whit eachother ,economy and real GDP will increase gradually for all of countries.


I must say, that it sounds very interesting.
BTW, I`ve been to Turkey quite a few times, and was always warmly welcomed as an Israeli citizen. But is the situation still the same? How does the Turkish street feel about Israel now?

[Vic]

Originally posted by Night_Flight
Israel,Turkey,Azerbaijan,Georgia,Bulgaria,Albania and some Turkic nations would be an Effective Union.
What about Armenia and Bosnia? And how does Bulgaria fit in? Doesn't it want to become an EU member?

[Vic]

Originally posted by JustPat
How refreshing ... how rare!
Not as rare as one might think.

Which begs the question why is it that such tendencies are never reported in the American media?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Vic Not as rare as one might think.

Which begs the question why is it that such tendencies are never reported in the American media? Can you say provocative?

[Night_Flight]

Well.. Turkish protests against israel was arranged by some communist or left labor unions. and other type of protesters were very religious people. otherwise majority of turks even didnt do anything about israel issue. cos there is no need to. besides israel is just hunting terrorist but i have to accept that some turkish media represents israeli-palestenia conflict as if palestenia is right. lots of turks even dont have any israeli friend but there are many turkish jews in israel. thats the point.

yeah we can add some other countries to this union such as bosnia croatia and may be rumenia but Armenia is impossible at this very moment. well Armenia is impossible at least for turk side but i have no idea about Armenian-israeli relations.

but i belive that turkish-israeli relations will be broadened.

[Mediocrates]

What is the benefit to Israel in joining the EU if such a thing were possible? What it have to forego American aid? Could it still trade with China? Wouldn't it still be publically excoriated and humiliated into making all sorts of concessions? Would they simply be 21st Century Court Jews?


I can't imagine the Arab OPEC states permitting such a thing to happen anyway. They would simply demand that it not occur, or, demand that all the Arab states be permitted to join as well. Can you imagine Syria in the EU? (yessssss takeo I know, they're the greatest nation on earth, the most peaceful peaceloving nation in history......)

[cerulean]

Anti-Semitism row threatens leadership of German party

http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/2002/06/06/FFXW68S322D.html

The leader of Germany's opposition Free Democratic Party is insisting that a member politician, who was born in Syria, retract his statements that Israel is acting like Nazis in respect to its treatment of Palestinians.

[Vic]

Originally posted by cerulean
Anti-Semitism row threatens leadership of German party

http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/2002/06/06/FFXW68S322D.html

The leader of Germany's opposition Free Democratic Party is insisting that a member politician, who was born in Syria, retract his statements that Israel is acting like Nazis in respect to its treatment of Palestinians.

The whole party has become somewhat of a joke by now. Actually I believe it's not a bad idea to provoke such discussions from time to time, they offer Jewish organizations a fine public platform.

[Vic]

Originally posted by JustPat
Can you say provocative?
Yes. Can you offer a more substantial reply to my question?
For a reminder: Why is it that such tendencies are never reported in the American media?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Vic Not as rare as one might think.

Which begs the question why is it that such tendencies are never reported in the American media? OK Let me spell it out.
P-ressured by the need to justify their liberal agenda, they only print what meets their criteria
R-ecognizing that a balanced picture doesn't sell, news is slanted to increase revenue
O-nly print what sells
V-erify every source, except the one that agrees with your view of the facts
O-ccasionally print the truth so as not to lose the public trust
C-all a spade a spade, especially if it's a heart
A-ttack those who disagree with you
T-ime the release of a breaking story for maximum incitement
I-nvent a story if you can't find one that suits you
V-indicate yourself at all costs
E-very word you print is the truth, no matter what the facts say

[Vic]

Originally posted by JustPat
OK Let me spell it out.
P-ressured by the need to justify their liberal agenda, they only print what meets their criteria
R-ecognizing that a balanced picture doesn't sell, news is slanted to increase revenue
O-nly print what sells
[etc.]

You have true journalistic talent, JP :)

We are getting closer to the issue: why wouldn't that sort of information, in this case pro-Israel initiatives carried by non-Jewish groups in Europe, sell? Is this based on an accurate assesment of the majority of US media consumers' tastes?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Vic
We are getting closer to the issue: why wouldn't that sort of information, in this case pro-Israel initiatives carried by non-Jewish groups in Europe, sell? Is this based on an accurate assesment of the majority of US media consumers' tastes? Though Americans tout a public tolerance for all, there is a very strong undercurrent of bigotry that runs through the grassroots of our country. Jews in particular are denegrated, spoofed and criticized by a public which does not relate to them culturally and cannot explain their perceived financial dominance. Stereotypes persist. The thing that amazes me is that a politically and socially liberal media fall right in line with the unspoken biases of the masses. Face it, "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Vic
We are getting closer to the issue: why wouldn't that sort of information, in this case pro-Israel initiatives carried by non-Jewish groups in Europe, sell? Is this based on an accurate assesment of the majority of US media consumers' tastes?

I think it's more of a matter of giving the people what they want. In general, inter-European politics does not interest most Americans, unless it is a really big story, like Le Pen for example.

The way that news agencies decide on whether to carry a story (and in which priority) is a simple evaluation of all the stories of each particular day. The top stories are those with violence, usually. "If it bleeds, it leads." Then celebrity scandals, and human-interest stories, like famous court cases, or even business scandals. A big political story might go in this position, too, towards the top. Lastly, sports and weather.

So, the question for the news agencies on that particular day was which human-interest or politics story did it go up against for coverage? Was it the Michael Skakel case? Accusations about the FBI/CIA failures? The box-office success of Spiderman?

So, basically, I wonder of the European story would even make the list of considerations at all, and even if it did, what did it go up against on that particular day?

[Pushtak18]

Israel is not one of the EU states as of yet, but was in the past invited to attend EU summits as a guest.


In the past conflicts like Bosnia, Kosovo....Israel has always assisted, even though its not in the E.U.

Israel was the first country to support the Bosnian/Kosovonians and probably one of the first in the world, before many E.U and other countries stepped in.

Infact, we took some Asylum/Refuggee seekers from Kosovo into Israel. If one can remember vividly, the Miss Israel of 1999 was a Kosovonian and now Israeli Muslim girl. She was cute and she was good!

Many European's know that the Israelis don't have another partnet...The Africans wouldn't accept them and its even worse in Asia. So its good that we have Europe in one case.

But can E.U be fair with us???
Israel is starting to get backlash and sanctioned on them. some products are being extra taxed and tariffed since it is coming from the "TERRITORIES".

I think that E.U needs give ISrael the opprotunity and if the chance will come, i would love to see Israel in the E.U :)

We're already in UEFA, if anyone wants to know? :)

[elke]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pushtak18
Infact, we took some Asylum/Refuggee seekers from Kosovo into Israel.

Believe it or not, this was actually reported here, I remember. The help Israel gave to the Earthquake victims in Turkey was also reported.

[Pushtak18]

elke,


yes; that is true. Israel did assist Turkey's Earthquake victims very much! We we're such a close state to them that we felt it is highly needed to bring special stuff for them like the tents and other such materials to help them.

I remember seeing CNN back in 1998, and i always saw 1 thing which was Israel. They showed an Israeli Military base doing a prep for the morning which they talk abut the strategy and ofcourse they showed one of the most courages things where a young boy and mother are trapped under the rubble for 4-5 days. And they were rescued by Israeli special unit and flown to Israel for help!

I remember seeing the story after in Israel and how they got treated with the hospitality and food.

Evenso, this wasn't the firsr time israel sent united to help other countries! We did the same for India, El Salvador, Panama, Peru, Mexico, and a couple of other countries.

We managed to do and complete one of the greatest search and rescue forces in the world!!

[elke]

A few years ago, I spoke to a person from an African country, I don't remember which one anymore, and he told me that they had Israeli advisers helping them even as long ago as the '60s!

It may be naive, but I really think that the only thing Israel needs badly is to improve its PR. But not only in US and EU; also in the so-called "Third World". Many Africans, for example, have their own problems with the Arabs, because they were so prominent in the slave trade. Same point can be made to the African American community.

We often encounter anti-semitism, and it is truly a powerful force in international arena, but what we often forget is that for every group of people there is a bigot. Our problem is that we are everywhere, so everywhere there are bigots who don't like us.

Israel boasts some unbelievable accomplishments! Its experience and innovation can be invaluable to developing nations. Israel has been sharing its know-how for years now, but hardly anyone knows it.

While oil is essential for development, there are numerous sources of it, outside of the Muslim ME. If we can trumpet to the whole world that Israel is at the forefront of human development in the "Third World", we may be able to limit the anti-Israel block, even possibly in the UN.

[Mediocrates]

I think it was Uganda and Tanzania. Certainly South Africa.

[Pushtak18]

We can surely use alot of Oil from other places.


Its just that we have gotten so dependent of the Middle East that politics has been playing a sufficient role. OPEC has more states then Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia, but lately all these 3 countires have been playing the cards.

We are in the 21st century and we need to tell people that using oil may not be suitable for a car. Even so, we can graduley cut the expense of oil.
A country that we can depend on instead of Saudi Arabia is russia. Rusisa needs money and Russia has alot of oil in there sea as well in Siberia and places that man has never been on. If they drill some wholes, than the US can buy oil from Russia, not toe mention venezuela and Western Africa and be less dependent with Arab oil.

Arab, for so long have manipulated Oil. They used Oil for there own good. If it wasn't for the oil, i don't think ben ladin and Co. As well as the Palestinians issue would have been brought up.

Remember, when they talk about humilation, what do arabs really mean?

[elke]

They mean that they have been soundly trounced by the people they thought inferior, no less than 5 times in 54 years - namely, your brave compatriots, Pushtak :) .

They must also know that the reign of oil will come to an end one day soon, and they will have to go back to the tents they came from, unless they get themselves on a path that's not terribly different than Israel's. That's humiliating: imagine realizing that everything you stood for, for many years, is baloney!

Arabs are proud people. They are proud of their military and scientific prowess, which unfortunately has been stagnating since the Middle Ages. Having to ask others to protect themselves from one of their own - I am referring to both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia here - must have been humiliating as well.

[Mediocrates]

The US must make it a national strategic priority to eliminate their dependence on OPEC oil in the next decade. It will take a genuine national initiative not seen since the Eisenhower interstate highway project or the race to the Moon. It does not mean that we would no longer purchase OPEC oil but that we will not be dependent on it.

It will take new sources of oil, like the FSU, alternative energy sources, radically new usage patterns and energy conservation. It will take a single minded ruthlessness to achieve that objective. It will also take making some very unpopular political decisions such as the expansion of nuclear power (France is 70% consumer electricity through nuclear).

70% of Saudi Arabia's GDP comes from oil. We import 9% of our total oil supply from Saudi Arabia and we are their largest customer.

The time has come to swing the balance of power from the supplier of energy to the consumer of energy.

[Vic]

Since we are discussing the oil issue ... ;)

... why do the oil-consuming states always the ones complaining about their dependency on the oil producers? Isn't it just as much the other way round or even more? Imagine what would happen to, say, Saudi Arabia, if no one would buy its oil one day :)

*takes a closer look a Mediocrates' posting...*

This offers the US an indirect economic clout against Europe, with its considerable export volume to the "rich Arab oil states" btw.

[Pushtak18]

the only country that i respect is the U.A.E. Sheik Mohammed who is the prince of U.A.E runs the country pretty much and he has made Dubai and Oasis for high tech and IT developement. Instead of using oil to buy a 900,000 British Pound horse which he rides for like 3 times. He invested in the future of the United Arab Emirates and made some high tech companys as well as created the whole Dubai skyline a futuristic and amazing look.

I think having Israel be part of the middle east will be significant, because of the fact that Israel is the one who has technology's such as growing stuff in the dessert and having water in the desert as well as making houses in the dessert very real.
These are sort of things that the Arabs need to look at instead of trying to blacklist Israel into a anarchy of lies and hate.

Infact, Saudi Arabia can really be in need of that Genetic Kernell we just made. its ugly, but it can survive and grow to its potential hopefully!

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Pushtak18
the only country that i respect is the U.A.E. Sheik Mohammed who is the prince of U.A.E runs the country pretty much and he has made Dubai and Oasis for high tech and IT developement. Instead of using oil to buy a 900,000 British Pound horse which he rides for like 3 times. He invested in the future of the United Arab Emirates and made some high tech companys as well as created the whole Dubai skyline a futuristic and amazing look.

I think having Israel be part of the middle east will be significant, because of the fact that Israel is the one who has technology's such as growing stuff in the dessert and having water in the desert as well as making houses in the dessert very real.
These are sort of things that the Arabs need to look at instead of trying to blacklist Israel into a anarchy of lies and hate.

Infact, Saudi Arabia can really be in need of that Genetic Kernell we just made. its ugly, but it can survive and grow to its potential hopefully! Now hear is a voice of hope for the future!