IRA, Other Terrorist Groups Linked to Middle East Terrorism

[cerulean]

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/04/24/wira24.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/04/24/ixnewstop.html

From the article:
...
Placing the IRA within a global network of terrorism , a report by the House International Relations Committee concluded that Irish, Iranian, Cuban and possibly Spanish groups had probably "been sharing techniques, honing their terrorism skills, using illicit drug proceeds in payment".
...

(Judging from the rest of the article, Spanish groups refers to the Basque terrorists.)

In addition, I have seen several articles lately that many Palestinian explosives appear to be very similar to those of IRA manufacture. Debka.com has been reporting on possible IRA involvement and suggested that the shooters last week who dressed up as IDF soldiers before shooting up some innocent villagers were not actually Palestinians but some other ethnic group (apparently a light-skinned one). Of course, Debka must always be taken with a grain of salt.

Articles I've read in the past indicated that the Japanese Red Army and the PLO cooperated (at least in the 1970s).

What is the payoff for all of these terrorist groups with different agendas to work together? I guess they can accomplish more together than separately.

Does this all mean the IRA has not really renounced terrorism (this announcement seemed fairly suspect when made in September 2001 after the WTC/Pentagon attacks)? Will this knowledge curb Irish-American support for the overly romanticized IRA terrorists?

Will it become clearer to countries that call themselves civilized that supporting terrorists like Arafat is really just a step to their own destruction?

[cerulean]

http://www.israelinsider.com/views/articles/views_0378.htm

From the article:

Paul Collinson, a former British Royal Engineers bomb disposal expert now working for the Red Cross in the Jenin camp, asserts that the Irish terrorist group has probably been exporting its deadly expertise to the Palestinian killers that infest Jenin. The 200+ booby trap devices he has subsequently examined in Jenin are "identical in every detail to those encountered in Northern Ireland."

...

[cerulean]

This site has short profiles of many major terrorist organizations. I can't vouch for the credentials of the site but the info I looked at seems on-target.

http://www.terrorism.com/terrorism/Groups2.shtml

[Vic]

Not much of a surprise, is it?

[cerulean]

An interesting column on IRA terrorists, with some indication of the connection to Palestinian terrorists.

http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1020943224638

[L@mplighterM]

Like the Palestinians many Irishmen are fanatics, theirs is a battle of Catholics vs. Protestants and of course Irish Catholics vs. English.

Unlike the Palestinians terrorists they aren’t willing to die for their cause. They have however also killed indiscriminately in the past.

About 20 years ago an Irishman who worked at a building supply store traveled to Ireland for his holidays. When he got back I asked him if he’d had a nice holiday and he said, “ I killed me an Englishman”. I believe what he said and although he’s faded from my memory his words remain firmly implanted in my mind.

Several months ago three Irish Nationals had been arrested (cant remember the country but I know it was a third world country) and were charged with training terrorists.

[Belgium@EU]

Why didn't the US put the IRA on their list of terrorists? Maybe because there are too many Irish living in the states?

[JuniumJ'48]

Hello everybody-This is my first post here.....

I hope this means that otherwise peaceful Irish Americans will finally stop bankrolling the IRA 'freedom fighters'.

The level of self delusion and 'romanticism' in that community has been at dangerous levels .

I remember only recently a young Irish American lady patiently explaining to me how the IRA are 'different' from the (more active)>provisional<
IRA (PIRA),

'The IRA are peaceful' she assured me
(despite the fact that they have shared weapons/members and intelligence etc)-

'Theyre the good guys'......


oh yeah, ya gotta love those International Marxist Narco Terrorists-i mean they lie so convincingly

Theres no place for romanticism when it comes to international terrorists.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
Why didn't the US put the IRA on their list of terrorists? Maybe because there are too many Irish living in the states?


They (The US government) put some of their (the IRA) leaders on a list of to-be-arrested persons. Gerry Adams was on such a list for many years until, under pressure from the British government he was allowed to enter to the US as a representative of Sinn Fein which is a legitimate political organization now.

[JuniumJ'48]

Such is the price of peace- The British people heve been unbelievably tolerant in the name of peace,

convicted murderous bombers and killers have been released in droves all in the name of the process of 'peace'.... but its clear now that the IRA arent serious about that peace-

and so the IRA should be cracked down on-

Sinn Fein can say what they want- as long as the semtex has been removed from their pocket then i can tolerate that


MI6 have already made promising moves abroad arresting Irish
terrorists (RIRA) trying to buy weapons from agents posing as Iraqi intelligence (of all people)

if theyre willing to trade with Iraq, then theres no limit to the depths of Irish terrorism.

[Mediocrates]

I read two weeks ago that the UK 'representative' for the PLO Ze'Evi-6 convicted murderers being held under lock and key in the West Bank is the chap who ran Brixton during the Bobby Sands era.

[AmericaNumber1]

IRA being a "terrorist" group is subjective. The same can be said about the "JDL" (Jewish Defense League) and Shin-Bet. It's very convenient to label a group "terrorist" to enhance your point-of-view on them. Frankly, I see IRA as a very honorable group of people who see Ireland as theirs and not the colonist Brits. They fight for the rights of their people just as the Palestinians and the Israeli's are. The bottom line is this: IRA is not a terrorist organization as far as i'm concerned.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
Why didn't the US put the IRA on their list of terrorists? Maybe because there are too many Irish living in the states? With Ted Kennedy still in the Senate, get real!

[JustPat]

Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
IRA being a "terrorist" group is subjective. The same can be said about the "JDL" (Jewish Defense League) and Shin-Bet. It's very convenient to label a group "terrorist" to enhance your point-of-view on them. Frankly, I see IRA as a very honorable group of people who see Ireland as theirs and not the colonist Brits. They fight for the rights of their people just as the Palestinians and the Israeli's are. The bottom line is this: IRA is not a terrorist organization as far as i'm concerned. Right, and PolPot was only looking out for the linterests of his people. :rolleyes:

[JuniumJ'48]

"Frankly, I see IRA as a very honorable group of people who see Ireland as theirs and not the colonist Brits. They fight for the rights of their people just as the Palestinians and the Israeli's are."

same old story

Yes...i fear this is a view shared by many Americans even >After< IRA members were picked up training FARC terrorists

( or will you argue that they are just another nice group of chappies kindly looking after their local drug farmers?)

Sure there isnt cast iron PROOF of this , there rarely is against the IRA- they wouldnt still be around if they were stupid.
though i think theres a case beyond reasonable doubt...

But this isnt a court of law- its OBVIOUS what they were doing to anyone who isnt in denial- did you read some those IRA mens alibis? They were laughable.

They were aiding terrorists plain and simple
Then Gerry Adams went and licked the hand of the USAs biggest pal Fido Castro- Yep - that sure is one swell Democracy loving guy!

"IRA being a "terrorist" group is subjective"

sure , so is Al Quaida come to that- everything is subjective,
but does that mean states cant uphold certain values?

Well lets see.... Hamas men have deliberately targetted civilians
thus creating terror
IRA men have deliberately targetted civilians
thus creating terror

Have the soldiers of the IDF or British Army?
Possibly in ISOLATED cases- in which case there is a legal process enacted and a system of redress....
they may sometimes cause terror - but it is not DELIBERATE (except against terrorists)

but when the Terrorists kill civilians they REJOICE- where is the redress for the victims, can Northern Irish or Israeli victims complain to the IRA/Hamas terror act complaints commmitee?

you think the IRA is a democratic 'institution' that respects the rule of law?
you think they punish those who kill civilians in any way?
you think they dont rule by violence/so called
'punishment beating'
and drug selling?

LIKE HELL

thats the harsh reality of your "honorable group".

"They fight for the rights of their people just as the Palestinians and the Israeli's are."

'fight' for rights by bombing civilians ?
Well i guess they should feel right at home showing Hamas how to kill those 'colonialist' Jews then

Im sure you have the best of intents but come back when your home town has been bombed by the IRA and tell me again they are

"a very honorable group of people"

changes things a little i think youll find....

-Oh but of course!

We innocent civilians who have never even gone NEAR the disputed land deserve what we get for 'oppresing' them!

-Right

Well thats the view of this 'colonialist Brit'

[JustPat]

Originally posted by JuniumJ'48
"Frankly, I see IRA as a very honorable group of people ..."

same old story

Yes...i fear this is a view shared by many Americans ...

We innocent civilians who have never even gone NEAR the disputed land deserve what we get for 'oppresing' them!

-Right

Well thats the view of this 'colonialist Brit'
WELL SAID!
And by-the-by, not all Americans, net even all "Irish Americans" support the likes of the IRA.

[cerulean]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/07/16/ira/index.html

IRA 'sorry' for civilian deaths
July 16, 2002 Posted: 2:18 PM EDT (1818 GMT)
DUBLIN, Ireland -- The Irish Republican Army has issued an unprecedented statement apologising for the killing of all "non-combatants" during its 30-year campaign. ...

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I read the other day that the Protestants in Northern Ireland were waving Israeli flags and the Catholics were waving Palestinian flags at one of their marches/demonstrations. (Obviously this type of thing is not necessarily to the benefit of Israel.)

[mizpah]

Originally posted by cerulean
http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/04/24/wira24.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/04/24/ixnewstop.html

From the article:
...
Placing the IRA within a global network of terrorism , a report by the House International Relations Committee concluded that Irish, Iranian, Cuban and possibly Spanish groups had probably "been sharing techniques, honing their terrorism skills, using illicit drug proceeds in payment".
...

(Judging from the rest of the article, Spanish groups refers to the Basque terrorists.)

In addition, I have seen several articles lately that many Palestinian explosives appear to be very similar to those of IRA manufacture. Debka.com has been reporting on possible IRA involvement and suggested that the shooters last week who dressed up as IDF soldiers before shooting up some innocent villagers were not actually Palestinians but some other ethnic group (apparently a light-skinned one). Of course, Debka must always be taken with a grain of salt.

Articles I've read in the past indicated that the Japanese Red Army and the PLO cooperated (at least in the 1970s).

What is the payoff for all of these terrorist groups with different agendas to work together? I guess they can accomplish more together than separately.

Does this all mean the IRA has not really renounced terrorism (this announcement seemed fairly suspect when made in September 2001 after the WTC/Pentagon attacks)? Will this knowledge curb Irish-American support for the overly romanticized IRA terrorists?

Will it become clearer to countries that call themselves civilized that supporting terrorists like Arafat is really just a step to their own destruction?

[mizpah]

The Provisional IRA are training other Groups. They used Northern Ireland as a practical workshop to demonstrate how to achieve their objectives. I lived through the troubles and can identify the techniques being used against Israel. IRA activists may not have used themselves as human bombs but they did force men to drive car bombs while their family were held at gun point. Many do not know the torture used on captured members of the security forces - the British government felt they were too horrendous to tell to the public. The first stage was to call the state of Northern Ireland into question, this justified civil rights marches and protests followed by riots and NO-GO areas followed by the appearance of terrorists who took over large housing areas and erected barricades followed by setting up a publicity office to feed the world press on British oppression followed by the use of heavy weapons followed by car and other bombs followed by the elevation of Sinn Fein as the political talking heads of the military movement to talk while their soldiers fought and when the state was well softened up and society was brutalised they entered into a political deal cobled together while allowing individual intrepretation but gaining concessions that prevented the new assembly from working unless their political representatives held executive power and cross border institutions were fully operative supported by a legalised voting system that prevents decisions from being made unless there is a guaranteed weighting of agreenment from both sides. While this is going on the IRA have the ability to demonstrate some act to try and regain lost confidence among Unionists but continue to use active communities to create interfaces to block traditional parades and enlarge ownership of areas. It is well documented that the IRA have succeed in driving out a quarter of a million Protestants from the West side of Northern Ireland toward the East coast. Even moderate newspapers admit to this. The milking of the agreement still goes on with public enquires and investigations being called for into the so called wrong doings of security forces in order to further weaken the credibility of the forces of law and order while asking for the removal of British Troops from Irish soil and maintaining the right to declare among their published objectives that the conflict is still on and will be until a Free Ireland is born. They got rid of a police auxillary force, an auxillary army, a regular police force, changes in the legal system, and the removal of British emblems and flags from buildings. All their soldiers were released from prison. They have been so successful that even David Trimble First Minister is under much pressure to try and get them ejected from office. He admits that he only entered into the agreement on a promise from Tony Blair that he would not allow terrorists in government if substantial and verifiable decommissioning took place. It is clearly evident that the IRA engaged in several worlds and bluffed America, UK and the Southern Ireland Government for many years. Even the last elections in the Republic of Ireland was a poor showing for Sinn Fein. The ageement is in deep crises because of the lies and double speak of Sinn Fein/IRA. Look at Israel today and you can see the evolvement of a similar campaign on several fronts. Why do the large population of Irish Protestants living in USA not be as politically active toward home as Irish Catholics. Irish Catholics retain their Irish identity and keep alive an Irish mythology connected to Mother Ireland as the homeland whereas Protestants are much more inclined to take on the identity of the country they decided to live in for the rest of their days. That is the perception of many living here. Many American Dollars were collected by Irish Americans to send home to Holy Ireland to murder British Troops and kill civilians. This is not the fault of the millions of good American people but it demonstrates one of the strategies terrorists use. Some Arab states are funding and resourcing the war against Israel and providing international cover for Arafat. Think it through and you will ask yourself what training school did many of these international terrorists train in. Many of you will not believe me but look no further than the American funded IRA who built up an International network for many years. They proved their ability to send murder gangs to the continent to try and murder British soldiers and political leaders. Just as Tony Blair wants to keep them off the mainland of Uk and is willing to settle for any fudge to achieve this, former American leaders almost tied up Israel into fatal agreements. Arial Sharon recently said that the OSLO agreement almost saw Arafat wiping out Israel. It is easy to sit in your nest and tell the rest what is good for them. Please try and think what you would want if you had to live with it yourself.
I trust that America has become awake to the Irish evil living in their midst. Make no doubt about it, I do not call all Irish people evil, the vast majority are good American citizens. I am making the point that an Irish Terrorist Bridge Head to use military terms has been formed on American soil to plan and execute terrorism against the free world.

[cerulean]

mizpah, this is a very interesting post. Could you add some line breaks so it is easier to read? I copied it into Word so I could read it.

[Mediocrates]

The Provisional IRA are training other Groups.

They used Northern Ireland as a practical workshop to demonstrate how to achieve their objectives. I lived through the troubles and can identify the techniques being used against Israel. IRA activists may not have used themselves as human bombs but they did force men to drive car bombs while their family were held at gun point. Many do not know the torture used on captured members of the security forces - the British government felt they were too horrendous to tell to the public.

The first stage was to call the state of Northern Ireland into question. This justified civil rights marches and protests followed by:

-riots and NO-GO areas
-followed by the appearance of terrorists who took over large housing areas and erected barricades
-followed by setting up a publicity office to feed the world press on British oppression
-followed by the use of heavy weapons
-followed by car and other bombs
-followed by the elevation of Sinn Fein as the political talking heads of the military movement.

-to talk while their soldiers fought. And when the state was well softened up and society was brutalised they entered into a political deal cobled together while allowing individual intrepretation but gaining concessions that prevented the new assembly from working unless their political representatives held executive power.

They also required that cross border institutions were fully operative & supported by a legalised voting system. This prevents decisions from being made unless there is a guaranteed weighting of agreenment from both sides. While this is going on the IRA have the ability to demonstrate some act to try and regain lost confidence among Unionists and continue to use active communities to create interfaces to block traditional parades and enlarge ownership of areas.

It is well documented that the IRA have succeed in driving out a quarter of a million Protestants from the West side of Northern Ireland toward the East coast. Even moderate newspapers admit to this. The milking of the agreement still goes on with public enquires and investigations being called for into the so called wrong doings of security forces in order to further weaken the credibility of the forces of law and order while asking for the removal of British Troops from Irish soil and maintaining the right to declare among their published objectives that the conflict is still on and will be until a Free Ireland is born.

They got rid of a police auxillary force, an auxillary army, a regular police force, changes in the legal system, and they removed British emblems and flags from buildings. All their soldiers were released from prison. They have been so successful that even David Trimble, First Minister is under much pressure to try and get them ejected from office. He admits that he only entered into the agreement on a promise from Tony Blair that he would not allow terrorists in government if substantial and verifiable decommissioning took place.

It is clearly evident that the IRA engaged in several worlds and bluffed America, UK and the Southern Ireland Government for many years. Even the last elections in the Republic of Ireland was a poor showing for Sinn Fein. The ageement is in deep crises because of the lies and double speak of Sinn Fein/IRA.

Look at Israel today and you can see the evolvement of a similar campaign on several fronts.

Why do the large population of Irish Protestants living in USA not be as politically active toward home as Irish Catholics? Irish Catholics retain their Irish identity and keep alive an Irish mythology connected to Mother Ireland as the homeland whereas Protestants are much more inclined to take on the identity of the country they decided to live in for the rest of their days. That is the perception of many living here.

Many American Dollars were collected by Irish Americans to send home to Holy Ireland to murder British Troops and kill civilians. This is not the fault of the millions of good American people but it demonstrates one of the strategies terrorists use. Some Arab states are funding and resourcing the war against Israel and providing international cover for Arafat.

Think it through and you will ask yourself what training school did many of these international terrorists train in. Many of you will not believe me but look no further than the American funded IRA who built up an International network for many years. They proved their ability to send murder gangs to the continent to try and murder British soldiers and political leaders.

Just as Tony Blair wants to keep them off the mainland of Uk and is willing to settle for any fudge to achieve this, former American leaders almost tied up Israel into fatal agreements. Arial Sharon recently said that the OSLO agreement almost saw Arafat wiping out Israel. It is easy to sit in your nest and tell the rest what is good for them.

Please try and think what you would want if you had to live with it yourself.

I trust that America has become awake to the Irish evil living in their midst. Make no doubt about it, I do not call all Irish people evil, the vast majority are good American citizens. I am making the point that an Irish Terrorist Bridge Head to use military terms has been formed on American soil to plan and execute terrorism against the free world.

[mizpah]

My appreciation for the short, back and sides, to make my article readable. I'm afraid I just typed without regard to the reader. My apologies. I'll try harder from now on.

The problem with terrorists who have nothing to do if they are being controlled by an agreement to suspend hostilities is to deploy them elsewhere. They have to keep the standard of killing up so they need a new contract.

What better than to help other terrorists who need training. After all, the IRA are experts. They demonstrated an ability to
enter high security areas an blow them up. The British forces were continually puzzled by their surprise attacks. They almost succeeded in killing the whole British Cabinet including Mrs Thatcher the then Prime Minister.

If your study Sinn Fein policy their are experts with words. The suspension of hostilities leaves room for recommencement if it is required. They have never said the war is over. Their act of Decommissioning was to let a few people look into a bunker. When they came away they did not know where the bunker was.
The weapons were put out of order but not handed over for experts to inspect for evidence of being used during the campaign.

Their recent 'sorry' statement for killing civilians is welcome as far as it goes but does not address the problem of having an active army as Gerry Adams said had 'not gone away'.

It is well known that they are the most wealthy political party in Ireland and employ 'sleeping partners' as professional advisors.
So their technicial advice is much sought after and just look at the terrorist market. I do not want to labour the point over much but having lived through 30 years of murder and mayhem I am hard to persuade that they really mean peace.

America has provided much employment to the whole of Ireland both North and South during all the conflict. It is a real pity that the Irish Caucaus movement embarassed democratic Americans by their flood of funds to the IRA who engaged in the murder of British citizens.

That is why America must be careful when dealing with Bin Laden.
He has helpers and advisors the same people who were in Columbia posing as tourists. World terrorism is joining up all the groups who follow terror. One would not be suprised if they hosted a world conference on terrorism with guest speakers my readers could probably better name than myself. They are sharing experiences and technology. They conduct workshops who need instructors and who better than our friends in the IRA.

I hope I am wrong. Unfortunately, I do not think I am.


MIzpah

[minusthejihad]

They just had a small regional terrorist workshop in Lebanon a few weeks back.

Oh, was it a joyous picnic. Ahmed brought the weapons to dress up the children. Omar kicked off the festivities by torturing some lebanese Christians, and 6 old Soviet Migs from Syria (at least there were 6 when they took off) flew over Beruit dropping paperback versions of Mein Kemf for all to enjoy. Afterwards, we practiced arming explosives, stabbing, detonating, and sharp shooting at cans of dead Arab babies stuffed by Jews. Later we sang the songs, "Ode to the Suicide Bombers", "When the Shaheeds Come Marching In", and "Death to the Infidels". By the end of the night, everyone was tired, so we played a game of "Find your Wives beneath the Robes, then Beat them" and we finished the event with a motivational speech from the Arab World's Tony Robbins, Saeb Erakat, and heard a chant from the combined choirs of Peace Now, the French Government, and the Meretz Party. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, Phillip, PeaceLover, STT, and AmericaNumber1 made guest apperances in a show of solidarity for the IRA.

It's amazing that the world can let the Hezbollah, Hamas, PFLP, etc. meet for a regional meeting to plan our destruction, all in one building, and not blow them to Timbaktu. It would be a short trip anyway.

[Mediocrates]

that's a keeper.