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05-03-2002, 09:38 AM
It seems the United Nations intends to demonize Israel at all cost. Kofi Annan stands by his principles and refuses to allow facts to obscure his objectives.
It is now proven, common knowledge that Israel did not commit a massacre in Jenin. Even the palestinians acknowledge this fact. Unfortunately Mr. "Nobel Prize" will not let the issue die.
Why in G-d's name do we need an outside force in Jenin? To protect the poor palestinian civilians? From whom should they be protected, from the Jews? What arrogant nonsense!
There are more than enough evils in the world that would be more properly dealt with by outside peacekeepers.
-- Send troops into Syria to safeguard that country's minorities. We wouldn't want another Homa massacre on our hands.
-- Send troops into Jordan to safeguard its palestinians. Remember the thousands that were killed and deprted to Lebanon.
-- Send troops into Iran to protect all its citizens from the mullahs that have driven that nation back into the dark ages.
-- Most important of all - Send the troops into Saudi Arabia to protect all the world from the fanatical madmen who hold an oil noose around the free world's throat. Saudi Arabia finances and nurtures arab/muslim terrorism around the world and seeks to impose its nihilistic and diseased morality on all of civilization.
Jenin requires no outsiders to prevent massacres. The only evil perpetrated on palestinian civilians is that brought to them by Arafat and his gang ot thugs.
05-03-2002, 10:20 AM
Israel not allowing the UN-envoy into the Jenin-camp, was a very stupid decission. If there didn't take a masacre place, this was the chance for Israel to prove so. Now the international community will never know what happened, or do you really think we find the spokesman of Sharon trustworthy? The UN had to go there. Now, Israel will always be blamed for this. Jenin will stay in our memories for ever. We'll just put it on the "black list".
05-03-2002, 10:22 AM
This can fall two ways. The international force can sit in its bunkers never leaving, always hiding, ordering in tasty meals from home and writing a few reports while complaining about the ghastly cooking of the goddamn WOGs.
Or they can be a buffer, an effective buffer, putting themselves in harm's way to protect. This is a good thing. For one, they will learn to appreciate the truth. Second, the first peacekeeper shot will elicit a dramatic public relations response. Third, it takes a burden off the Israeli economy. Fourth it makes noises about pullback which is what those terribly decent chaps in the EU squawk about all day. Fifth it gets third party ground level intelligence gathered. Sixth, the UK has vast experience combatting urban terrorists and won't make the stupid mistakes of others that get large numbers of people slaughtered.
For those of you who are interested go nationalreviewonline.com and look at any links that refer to Max Boot's "The Savage Wars of Peace". Or you can read a great review of it by Victor Davis Hanson here:
05-03-2002, 10:42 AM
To Belgium EU,
I understand your sentiments but caution you that appearances can be deceiving.
Israel has a long and difficult history with the United Nations. The UN has consistently acted with severe anti-Israel and anti-Jewish bias. The UN's record includes many honorable and praiseworthy actions:
Declaring Zionism = raqcism
Dhurban racist conference
Providing UN vehicles and uniforms to Hezbollah, enabling
them to kidnap 3 Israeli soldiers.
Withholding evidence in a criminal investigation by delaying
permission for Jews to view the abduction tapes, and then
blacking out the faces of the criminals who perpetrated this
act, both the Hezbollah and their UN collaborators.
Apparently Mr. Annan does not believe atrocities committed against Jews is worthy of UN investigation. Were Mr. Annan a moral man he would have pressed for an investigation into his friend, Mr. Arafat's terror organization and the obscenities that were born from its evil.
Given the UN's sordid history and lack of morality, we should applaud Israel's heroic stance.
The correct response to Mr. Annan and other evildoers like him is to say: "Yes, Mr. Annan, you are wrong!"
No matter how many times you repeat a lie, it will not become truth.
05-03-2002, 11:04 AM
Of course Mr. Annan did not believe that Rwandan genocide warranted UN action, other than pulling their UN troops OUT, either.
05-03-2002, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by alansilb
Jenin requires no outsiders to prevent massacres. The only evil perpetrated on palestinian civilians is that brought to them by Arafat and his gang of thugs.
That's of course true, although the Palestinian people as a whole are also guilty of support for terrorism, as well as their corrupt leadership.
You also make an excellent point that the UN zeal for sending its troops should be applied evenly in other areas of conflict like in the Ara and Islamic world. But they won't...
This type of overy bias is the reason that Israel needs to continue to reject the UN's meddling.
05-03-2002, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Belgium@EU
Now, Israel will always be blamed for this. Jenin will stay in our memories for ever. We'll just put it on the "black list".
With all due respect, who cares about a threat from Europeans? Those in Europe who are honest with themselves and oppose the Arab Jihad-genocide -- support Israel.
Those Europeans who are either anti-Semites in the finest historic tradition of Europe, or who are oil slaves have been and will continue to be anti-Israel.
That's why these threats are irrelevant.
05-03-2002, 12:51 PM
It was not as threat. The threat will only come when Israel will face economic sanctions. This is just the people's voice. I can't be that over 100 EU-residents are anti-semite, they just want to get an end to this violence. There are many EU-memberstates, which also had to deal with terrorism. Still, did you remember the Britons demolishing whole Northern-Irish villages with bulldozers. Did you remember the Spaniards killing 6-year old childern because they were ETA-terrorists?
Also, Israel is not the only one to blame. The PA is also responsible. But some people on this forum seem to forget that Israel was formed thanks to support from the UN (and france to be more precise). Simply ignoring facts. That's a shame, because this is a nice opportunity for both Muslim and Zionist extremist to continue with their propaganda.
05-03-2002, 02:39 PM
The Delusions Of The Palestinians
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 3, 2002
By Ronald Radosh
Getting back to the topic of this thread, here's a fascinating history lesson involving the good old Euorpean example of their way of doing things.
"Had Israel sought to destroy Jenin, of course, it could have easily been accomplished by mass attacks, tanks and air power. The Israelis could have emulated the tactics used by the British in Jenin in 1938, when in an effort to combat Palestinian Arab terrorism, they demolished homes of civilians, shot handcuffed prisoners, and forced local Arab civilians to test areas where terrorists were suspected to have planted mines.
Indeed, after a British district commissioner was assassinated that summer, the British responded by deciding "a large portion of the town should be blown up" as punishment. The British Mandate government acted in as tough a manner as possible. As one Mandate official put it, "When we thought that a village was harboring rebelsâ€¦weâ€™d go there and mark one of the large houses. Thenâ€¦weâ€™d blow up the house weâ€™d marked." Britainâ€™s High Commissioner for Palestine admitted they used "drastic" tactics, but he explained that "the situation has demanded drastic powers."
As historian Rafael Medoff has written, (Jerusalem Post, April 18) "the British, faced with a level of Palestinian Arab terrorism considerably less lethal than that which Israel faces today, utilized anti-terror methods considerably harsher than those used by Israeli forces."
Israel, clearly being careful not to imitate the methods of the old European colonial powers in the era of Mandates, has chosen to act slowly, carefully and responsibly. What the Palestinian leadership has sought to do is to try and make Israelâ€™s attempt to fight a clean war--one waged against the dirtiest of terrorist fighters--into a political defeat in which Israel can be shown not to have wiped out the Palestinian "resistance" but only strengthened it. It is similar to what Ho Chi Minh and his government did at the time of the famed Tet Offensive battle at the city of Hue in February 1968."
Full Article (http://www.frontpagemag.com/columnists/radosh/2002/rr05-03-02.htm)
05-03-2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Belgium@EU
Israel not allowing the UN-envoy into the Jenin-camp, was a very stupid decission. If there didn't take a masacre place, this was the chance for Israel to prove so. Now the international community will never know what happened, or do you really think we find the spokesman of Sharon trustworthy? The UN had to go there. Now, Israel will always be blamed for this. Jenin will stay in our memories for ever. We'll just put it on the "black list". Perhaps you missed the statement where Kifi Annan said that it was no longer necessary. He was satisfied that a body count of 56/33 we not the standard of a massacre, why do you have a problem with it?
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