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L@mplighterM
05-08-2002, 06:43 PM
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Belgium@EU
05-08-2002, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
Perhaps I?m being naïve.
Some thoughts.
You're not naive, you're just a dangerous person!!!! Did you mean this? What kind of freak are you????? Gosh, I thought you were stupid and narrow-minded, but I never though you would think of going that far. If Israel would do such a thing (which they won't because not all Israeli's are so low as you), they would lose all sympathy, which means they'll end up in the sea again.
But I forgot i'm on a ISRAELI forum here. My goal was to see if there are some moderate Israeli's. I found some, but there also seem to be some extremists. Pity ....
Originally posted by Belgium@EU
But I forgot i'm on a ISRAELI forum here. My goal was to see if there are some moderate Israeli's. I found some, but there also seem to be some extremists. Pity ....
"I wanted to find out whether the Jews are as bad as they told me, see, I did find it out, and all of it your fault..."
:eek:
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
The danger exists that they would turn against the Israelis. What I?m proposing is to start a civil war so they can clean up their own mess.
Perhaps I?m being naïve.
Some thoughts.
Wasn't it what they tried in Lebanon?
L@mplighterM
05-09-2002, 08:01 AM
There must be those that want to be freed from the clutches of Arafag. Hundreds that have gone against Arafag are in jails or have been executed.
Indications are that there’s some discontent within the PA. Muslims are notorious when it comes to murdering each other. They talk with one tongue yet stab each other in the back; killing is their way of life.
Sponsoring civil wars isn’t anything new there’s plenty of precedents for that in history. As a matter of fact I believe that if a division would have been created in the territories a long time ago and it would have reduced the fundamentalist elements things would be better for Israel.
The problem is that evil has been allowed to flourish and grow relatively unchecked. Lasting peace will not be a reality in the ME all you can do is minimize the situation. Israel allowing the establishment of the PA and allowing Arafag’s return from exile has proven itself to be errors in miscalculations.
There’s nothing new in what I suggested as far as I’m concerned. Establishing a force guerrillas/soldiers/freedom fighters call it what you like is exactly what’s required to deal with the situation.
takeo
05-09-2002, 08:11 PM
Israel has done this already, in the 80's they helped to form hamas to undermine Arafat.
The only palestinians you will manage to arm against Arafat are real fundamentalist extremists, but those israeli weapons could well end in Israel in an undesired place. Of course all of it would be Arafat's responsability as always... :rolleyes:
thrud
05-10-2002, 12:56 AM
I do not think Israel helped form Hamas (I don't think you would say that out loud if you were surrounded by a bunch of Hamasians).
I do think that Samaria and Gaza are two different localities that assar will not be able to control. I think he should cut hs losses and let Gaza find their own way.
I think there will be a Palestinian civil war with Hamas taking Hamas and Fatah/PLO taking Samaria.
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
There must be those that want to be freed from the clutches of Arafag. Hundreds that have gone against Arafag are in jails or have been executed.
The problem is that some of them are not exactly noble-minded. You'd easily end up with a situation even worse than the current one. Just imagine the results if your "good guys" would turn out to be al-Qaeda members...
To the best of my knowledge most of the Palestinians who are opposed in this way or other to Arafat and who are worth dealing with are not exactly the warrior type.
ibrodsky
05-12-2002, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Belgium@EU
You're not naive, you're just a dangerous person!!!! Did you mean this? What kind of freak are you????? Gosh, I thought you were stupid and narrow-minded, but I never though you would think of going that far. If Israel would do such a thing (which they won't because not all Israeli's are so low as you), they would lose all sympathy, which means they'll end up in the sea again.
You are so right. The terrorists must stick together under a dictator who shoots "collaborators" (i.e., Palestinian moderates who oppose the slaughter of Israeli civilians).
But I forgot i'm on a ISRAELI forum here. My goal was to see if there are some moderate Israeli's. I found some, but there also seem to be some extremists. Pity ....
Well, we Jews have not quite yet reached the level of civilization attained by Arab groups like Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and Fatah. Perhaps when we start teaching our children to grow up to carry out "martyrdom" operations Europeans will appreciate us.
But seriously, aren't you a little bit ashamed? Your civilization tried to exterminate us in the 1930s and 40s, and now you are starting back down the same path. As George Will observed, Europe has managed to resuscitate anti-semitism without Jews.
To wit, if Israel has not treated the Arabs -- who were allied with Europe's Nazis during WW II and have openly said their goal is to destroy Israel --- perfectly, certainly Europe has no credibility in advising Israel on how to behave.
Of course, this conflict is a real boon to Europeans: it gives you an opportunity to lecture Israel on how to behave. But most people in this forum are not fooled.
ibrodsky
05-12-2002, 04:07 PM
L@mplighter, I think your idea is excellent. Really, it's much like the U.S. enlisting the Northern Alliance to smash the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Originally posted by ibrodsky
L@mplighter, I think your idea is excellent. Really, it's much like the U.S. enlisting the Northern Alliance to smash the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Sorry, but what is the Palestinian "Northern Alliance"? The PIJ and the Hamas?
sitruc37diesel
05-12-2002, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by ibrodsky
But seriously, aren't you a little bit ashamed? Your civilization tried to exterminate us in the 1930s and 40s, and now you are starting back down the same path. As George Will observed, Europe has managed to resuscitate anti-semitism without Jews.
Careful. The dude you're replying to probably wasn't alive then. And he's not German either. Don't lump people together like that.
"your people" "my people" etc. ALL ********. absolutely pure ********. thinking you belong to some group and have allegiances to it and sometimes enmity to another group causes nasty prejudices. Sometimes these prejudices are played upon by some psycho (like hitler and milosevich) and create genocide.
I'm American and of western european ancestry, but I don't care about that. The group i consider to be MY PEOPLE is THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. others should think likewise.
Gatorade
05-12-2002, 04:35 PM
While I agree it isn't fair to discriminate or hold individuals, or people responsible today for what their country did 50 years ago, on the other hand, history shouldn't be forgotten.
Jews would have wished to have been viewed as individuals in a larger society as you view people today, but in places like Germany under Hitler, they weren't. So if other people view you differently, one should be be aware how they are being viewed. To ignore it and think of people as all individuals only works if there are only good people in the world, like you describe yourself.
ibrodsky
05-12-2002, 04:42 PM
I have read enough of Belgium@EU's posts to know better...
Saying your people is the entire human race is noble. But what do you do when confronted with people who want to kill you, or enslave you, and replace your democratic gov't with an "Islamic" (i.e., fascist) state?
If you really want to be able to say that the entire human race is your people, I think you need to recognize that's not quite possible yet, because there are many groups that live and breathe intolerance.
Note that one million Arabs live in Israel and are represented in Israel's parliament, the Knesset.
Note also that a key Palestinian demand is that the 200,000 Jews living in the disputed territories must leave. Can you say "ethnic cleansing"?
Study the region's history. Pay close attention to what the different groups say and do. Then think about who acts on tribal instincts and who is cosmopolitan.
L@mplighterM
05-12-2002, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by ibrodsky
L@mplighter, I think your idea is excellent. Really, it's much like the U.S. enlisting the Northern Alliance to smash the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Well there are dangers involved but if it’s played right I believe it’s workable. In any event I challenge others to come up with anything better.
Actually the thought came to me shortly after I witnessed a Palestinian being executed for collaborating with Israel. They shot him around 500 times I think and then one big blast with a shot gun in the end.
There must be 100’s if not thousands that suffer the same fate. If they are willing to work against Arafag and the PA their services could be put to better use.
Annex a small part of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and let them know it eventually will become theirs. The Mossad must have a list of potential recruits. Train them and supply them with armaments and set them to work. Expand the annexed part/parts as required. Let them be Freedom fighters fighting to rid themselves of Arafags evil and indifference towards his people.
I think it’s worth a try and I wouldn’t hesitate embarking on such an action.
Gatorade
05-12-2002, 04:51 PM
Some people believe that Israel tried this already. They allege that Israel set up HAMAS to create an opposition to the PLO and hoped they would fight it out and get a reasonable leader. I don't know where they got their info and if it were true, it didn't work as planned.
NewsGuy
05-12-2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Gatorade
Some people believe that Israel tried this already. They allege that Israel set up HAMAS to create an opposition to the PLO and hoped they would fight it out and get a reasonable leader. I don't know where they got their info and if it were true, it didn't work as planned.
Yes, it's true in a way.
Israel did not actually support Hamas, but it did not crush the movement either during the 80s, because Israel hoped that the PLO would be weakened.
In fact, time will tell. I would not be surprised at all if a Hamas member ultimately will assasinate Arafat.
takeo
05-13-2002, 02:22 AM
I heard credible reports that israel helped with the creation of Hamas in some way or another. hamas started the suicide bombing of civilians so every suicidebombing is in fact partly the responsability of lunatics who tought to weaken the palestinian people by dividing it. Of course hamas-supporters won't like to hear this, nor Israel-supporters.
There isn't a northern alliance in Palestine, all Palestinians hate israel and very few are prepared to cooperate with Israel against their leaders (only a few for big money), and those are hated by almost all other palestinians. there aren't by the way a lot of Palestinians more moderate and willing to do more concessions than arafat. In Afghanistan the situation was totally different, most people hated the taliban and most people supported the northern alliance, which was by the way not created by the Americans but many years only supported by the Russians and Iranians. Any such operations as the us did in Nicaragua of creating terrorist groups against the government will only work if you have at least some parts of the population (more than 10%) resisting the government and pro-israel or pro-us. in Palestine you will find less than 1% to cooperate with israel against the big majority of palestinians. Such actions will backfire against Israel as did the Israeli support for hamas. (and as did the US supporting al-quaida against the soviets in the 80's)
about hamas: i think only a minority supports hamas, they are viewed as usefull tools in the struggle against israel, but few palestinians share their extremism.
"Jews would have wished to have been viewed as individuals in a larger society as you view people today, but in places like Germany under Hitler, they weren't. So if other people view you differently, one should be be aware how they are being viewed. To ignore it and think of people as all individuals only works if there are only good people in the world, like you describe yourself."
In fact jews are viewed as individuals in France, nobody bothers if you are jew or for example of italian origin. in the States and Russia too. zionism and other nationalistic views as fascism emphasised to view jews as a collective group with special rights, on the contrary of the liberal individualistic or socialist ideology.
again, European criticism of israel is not anti-semitism, Europe was the friend of israel during many years, and israel was allowed to do what many countries would have been punsihed for. But it doesn't mean because the Jewish people were surpressed in wWII that now they have the right to oppress another people. The only thing you can criticise Europe for is that it oppressed colonial people too in the past, yet colonialism was abandoned, so now Europe has the right to criticize israel.
sharonbn
05-13-2002, 02:52 AM
Israel did attmpt a similar thing in Lebanon in 1982.
Israel crowned the leader of the Christian phalanges Bashir Jumail as president of Lebanon, only to see him murdered 2 days later by the newly created Hizbullah and the country plunged into civil war.
Israel has no right to determine the Palestinian leadership. Furthermore, any attempt to interfere in internal Palestinian politics will result in a backfire.
what Israel needs to do is to attemp to isolate and de-legalize Arafat in the international arena until he is replaced by the Palestinians themselves.
Mediocrates
05-13-2002, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by takeo
Europe was the friend of Israel during many years, and Israel was allowed to do what many countries would have been punished for.
How so? Specifically? Do you allude to actual events and by what measure do you assert:
a) Europe was the friend of Israel...
b) What was Irael allowed to do, one would think involving Europe's permission?
c) Which other countries would be punished, for what and how would they be punished by Europe....such as?
You outline a kind of arrogant Pax Europa that you are constantly harping on the the US for attempting to do. Do you have special provenance that somehow legitimizes PAx Europa?
Europe has the right to criticize Irael
Nobody quibbles with this. Criticism is one thing. Giving money to murdering thugs under the aegis of 'development' is quite differently. And while we're there, forget not that in the 2002 one can easily substitute the phrase "UN aid" with the phrase "American Taxpayer". Oh, you can screech about EU money lost in the destruction of warfare. So can we complain about our money going to an organization that, if it didn't have a flag and blue uniforms would look suspiciously like a criminal gang that builds and operates concentration camps to keep your Palestinians penned in.
takeo
05-13-2002, 05:29 AM
Europe was the friend of Israel before 1967 and even after, Israel got special trade-agreements, got money from Germany, and in the UN Europe mostly defended the Israeli positions, Europe defended israel in the 50's when even the US condamned the attack on Egypt.
France also provided Israel with military assistance.
i mean illegal actions according to international law allowed by Europe (as well as the US of course) without taking sanctions, israel could devellop weapons of mass-destruction without sanctioning, (pakistan and india got sanctioned for this, and let's not mention iraq... Morocco is still excluded from many european trade-agreements because it still occupies the westsahara, indonesia was finally forced by the international community to leave East-Timor), israel started the 1967-war and occupied territories, in violation of international legislation (ok, this was condamned by Europe, but israel didn't lost nothing of its special status) (i believe i don't have to give you some examples of countries who did the same with other consequences, Iraq for example), israel colonised those territories, invaded libanon and committed war-crimes (for which Yougoslavia has alledgedly been bombed), attacked Tunisia (a friend of europe by the way), Iraq, etc.
any country except israel or the us doing so (attacking other countries without having been attacked first, occupying other regions) would have to face harsh international consequences.
I don't want pax europe, as i don't want pax americana either, but Europe can restrict its relations with countries not obiding to international legislation or treatening regional security. Of course it can't (as the us and israel are doing) enforce its view upon other countries by military aggressions. THAT would be pax Europa
the US didn't contribute for years to the un, and Europe is paying too. without un there wouldn't be any legal body to assure world peace and to stop a new world war and assure some stability and rules in the world. However the US sees the un as a usefull tool whenever they need international support but if other countries don't agree it goes unilateral, without any consideration for the laws and legislation it agreec upon earlier.
takeo
05-13-2002, 05:33 AM
let's not forget Yougoslavia was also bombed for "etnic cleansing".
L@mplighterM
05-13-2002, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by sharonbn
Israel did attmpt a similar thing in Lebanon in 1982.
Israel crowned the leader of the Christian phalanges Bashir Jumail as president of Lebanon, only to see him murdered 2 days later by the newly created Hizbullah and the country plunged into civil war.
Israel has no right to determine the Palestinian leadership. Furthermore, any attempt to interfere in internal Palestinian politics will result in a backfire.
what Israel needs to do is to attemp to isolate and de-legalize Arafat in the international arena until he is replaced by the Palestinians themselves.
So you learn from your mistakes and move on, hoping not to make them next time.
I disagree that Israel has no right to determine the Palestinian leadership. What leadership are you talking about? Arafag?
Annex a section or two and let the Palestinians in that section hold a democratic election. At that point the IDF could be invited in as advisors and protectors and it certainly couldn’t be seen as an inscursion.
As far as backfiring goes there’s plenty of that now.
takeo
05-13-2002, 08:47 AM
"At that point the IDF could be invited in as advisors and protectors "
LOL
of course, the Palestinians will ask the IDF to protect and advise them :rolleyes:
Looks as if the Palestinians are starting with it without any outside help:
PA minister beaten in Ramallah
By Amira Haas , Ha'aretz Correspondent and agencies
Last update - 23:17 13/05/2002
The Palestinian Authority minister in charge of relations with non- governmental organizations, Hassan Asfour, and his bodyguard, were beaten by five masked assailants Monday, in an assault described by a Palestinian official as a "criminal act".
Asfour was beaten close to his Ramallah home at around 9:00 P.M. Monday evening. The five called on the minister to stop and when he did not, he and his bodyguard were beaten.
The minister was taken to a hospital with light injuries, an aide to Palestinian President Yasser Arafat said.
"This is a cowardly and dirty assault against minister Asfour," the aide, Ahmed Abdel-Rahman, told Reuters at the hospital.
"The leadership considers this assault as a criminal act aimed against the Palestinian legitimacy and intended to create sedition among Palestinians," he said.
He said Arafat instructed Palestinian security forces to find the attackers and bring them to justice.
Moussa Abu Hmaid, head of government hospitals in the West Bank, said Asfour, a former peace negotiator with Israel, was in stable condition suffering from a fractured wrist and leg and a cut to the head. He said Asfour's bodyguard was also injured in the attack.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=163364&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
L@mplighterM
05-13-2002, 07:51 PM
Bold posted by Vic:
Looks as if the Palestinians are starting with it without any outside help:
How do u know?
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
Bold posted by Vic:
Looks as if the Palestinians are starting with it without any outside help:
How do u know?
Well, there is so far no indication of outside involvement in the charming episode posted above.
But, honestly, I don't like it. The motivation to promote the "external enemy" concept could get even stronger, if the leadership will have to save its very skin.
cerulean
05-14-2002, 04:38 PM
This article mentions the civil war possibility involved in the attack:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=164023&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
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Meanwhile, Palestinian Minister Hasan Asfour yesterday declined to say who he thought was responsible for Monday's attack on him by five masked men, who beat him and broke his leg and hand. Asfour hinted the attack was aimed at provoking a Palestinian civil war, "which Israel is interested in." But Fatah activists viewed the attack as a message to Asfour's closest allies, Rashid and Dahlan.
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Clearly it's easier for Asfour to blame Israel (as usual), rather than his fellow Arabs. I think it would be silly for Israel to foment a civil war, since the population is already unstable enough.
L@mplighterM
05-14-2002, 06:41 PM
Considering the abuse that occurs between Palestinian versus Palestinian I think the whole area is ripe for a civil war. On another post Cerulean posted that the population was happy to see the 13 individuals deported from the church stand off. I’m certain that the type of criminal behavior that they were engaged in is commonplace throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
I think that it would be wrong to paint a rosy picture in the WB and GS one were brotherly love and harmony exists.
Civil wars have been fought for a lot less. There's also a lot of money at stake for the winning side.
takeo
05-14-2002, 08:10 PM
there won't be any civil war, lomplighter, another beautiful dream of you falling apart!!! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by cerulean
This article mentions the civil war possibility involved in the attack: [...]
Clearly it's easier for Asfour to blame Israel (as usual), rather than his fellow Arabs. I think it would be silly for Israel to foment a civil war, since the population is already unstable enough.
Let's put it this way: no indication of outside involvement, Israeli or otherwise, worth to be taken seriously.
Hi, Moderators, what do you call a member with more than 1000 postings?
Does the length count too? ;)
L@mplighterM
05-15-2002, 07:49 AM
Only in bed.
L@mplighterM
05-15-2002, 07:55 AM
May. 14, 2002
PA condemns attacks on its officials
By LAMIA LAHOUD
Palestinian Authority officials strongly condemned attacks against officials by masked men yesterday, calling them acts of "lawlessness and anarchy" and demanding the PA investigate who is behind the assaults.
Some PA officials said the attacks are part of a power struggle within the Palestinian community.
On Monday night, five masked men attacked Minister for Non-Governmental Organizations Hassan Asfour with metal bars and beat him badly.
Asfour was hospitalized with a cut on the head and a fractured wrist and leg.
Last week, activists from PA Chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement tried to harm Arafat's financial adviser Muhammad Rashid at his Ramallah home, Israel Radio reported yesterday.
Rashid was not at home at the time of the attempted attack, and PA sources said Arafat ordered him to stay abroad until the situation calms.
http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1021378902645
All is not well in paradise.
Read this and remebered the thread:
PA Chairman Arafat to meet with security chiefs
By Ha'aretz Staff, Ha'aretz Service and agencies
Last update - 19:23 06/07/2002
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=183768&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
And here is the accompanying photo: http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D060702/jibril_pic_eng0607reu.jpg, caption: "A picture of ousted PA security chief Jibril Rajoub in the hands of a supporter."
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes: This sounds perfectly typical:
"Arafat and his associates are worried by the close ties Rajoub has developed with the Americans and are trying to use the U.S. pressure for reforms in the PA to sack him."
michael
07-09-2002, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I think the only way peace could ever be possible would be if a civil war erupted within the West Bank and Gaza Strip. As it stands right now Arafat controls all the carrots and everyone knows how difficult it is to topple a dictatorship. I know he?s their elected leader.
In any event there are indications that some individuals are willing to work with Israel.
What I?m proposing is to start a civil war so they can clean up their own mess.
Perhaps I?m being naïve.
Some thoughts.
Their own mess? Who brought Arafat back from Libya?
And why? - Because he was the perfect collaborator - agreeing to any Israeli negotiating position as long as he continued to be offered Israeli support and co-operation.
That's why despite all the Israeli posturing about getting rid of Arafat in the recent miltary operatinos, nothing has haapened. It's all for show, at least till Israel can find a Palestinian "leader" who will be as compliant as Arafat has been. Israel knows the real danger is that someone may emerge who will not "roll over" as commanded and who may not use the security forces against their own people. This is a problem very much of Israel's making. Sure, Arafat is a criminal, but he'd been Israel's favorite criminal unitl he could no longer control the militants sufficiently well.
ibrodsky
07-09-2002, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by michael
Their own mess? Who brought Arafat back from Libya?
And why? - Because he was the perfect collaborator - agreeing to any Israeli negotiating position as long as he continued to be offered Israeli support and co-operation.
That's why despite all the Israeli posturing about getting rid of Arafat in the recent miltary operatinos, nothing has haapened. It's all for show, at least till Israel can find a Palestinian "leader" who will be as compliant as Arafat has been. Israel knows the real danger is that someone may emerge who will not "roll over" as commanded and who may not use the security forces against their own people. This is a problem very much of Israel's making. Sure, Arafat is a criminal, but he'd been Israel's favorite criminal unitl he could no longer control the militants sufficiently well.
Total bilge. Arafat was foisted on Israel by American and European liberals who see a "rehabilitated" man in every remorseless criminal. He was given a Nobel Peace Prize, and promptly built an entire culture around killing Jews. Far from "collaborating" with Israel, Arafat made sure that the PA's schools, mosques, and media focused their attention on recruiting, supporting, and glorifying suicide mass murderers.
There are no even slightly credible commentators who believe Arafat is Israel's lackey. You are not worth talking to.
SquashPanther
07-17-2002, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by takeo
Europe was the friend of Israel before 1967 and even after, Israel got special trade-agreements, got money from Germany, and in the UN Europe mostly defended the Israeli positions, Europe defended israel in the 50's when even the US condamned the attack on Egypt.
... israel started the 1967-war and occupied territories, in violation of international legislation (ok, this was condamned by Europe, but israel didn't lost nothing of its special status)
...israel colonised those territories, invaded libanon and committed war-crimes (for which Yougoslavia has alledgedly been bombed), attacked Tunisia (a friend of europe by the way), Iraq, etc.
...the US didn't contribute for years to the un, and Europe is paying too. without un there wouldn't be any legal body to assure world peace and to stop a new world war and assure some stability and rules in the world. However the US sees the un as a usefull tool whenever they need international support but if other countries don't agree it goes unilateral, without any consideration for the laws and legislation it agreec upon earlier.
I realize that this was said a while ago, but I want to reply to it anyway.
Whatever Europe did for Israel was very small. The battle in Egypt during which EU helped Israel was largely inconsequential and forgotten. Germany did this give Israel money for Holocaust reparations, but not a lot. They gave Israel something like the modern day equivalent of $30-40 billion. This comes out to about $5,900 per person. Does that sound fair to you? It does not to me. In America these days $30B can be won by a company in a business monopoly law suit. Individuals can also win millions for damages done unto them that do not result in their death. The German reparations were very inadiquate for what the Germans did.
However, this gift showed German generosity in the fifties when the country was still poor fromt WWII. However, now that the German government is rich, they want to forget about the Holocaust and not pay further reparations.
In the 1967 war, Israel had no choice but to do a pre-emtive attack. Without this attack Israel faced almost certain anhilation. Israel had no possibility of beating the combined forces of three Arab nations, one of which being the most powerful Arab nation. It was known world-wide that troops were massing on Israel's border, it had no choice.
Israel attacked Tunisia? This is news to me. Israel only attacked Iraq once and saved their country in doing so. What Israel attacked was a power plant in which Saddam was producing nuclear weapons that probably would have been used against Israel.
I assume when you say that Israel commited war crimes you are speaking of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camp massacres. You seem misinformed. What actually happened at the camps was that the Christian Phalangist militia killed roughly 1,100 people. Israel never killed anybody and was blamed instead for not stopping their ally from murdering refugees. Israel, in fact, was never convited on any charges for the massacres, and the case was dismissed by the UN Belgian war criminals court.
The UN general assembly is a joke. It is headed by the Brittish parlaiment, who know they have no actual power and just get prestige by debating about controversial issues, ie. the Israeli-Palestinian topic. The General Assembly knows that if they ever decide on something that the U.S. will just veto their decision in the UN Security Council.
The UN's policy of one vote per country automatically disadvantages Israel. With more than 20 Arab nations, and only one Israel and one United States, Israel will always be victimized by UN decisions. This is why the U.S. walked out of both UN racism conferences, during which all that happened was that Arab nations slandered Europe and called it racist. This decision was then vetoed. However, the racism meeting failed to denounce truly racist and sexist ragimes like Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
The UN never prevented WWIII. The U.S. would not have fought the U.S.S.R. had their been no UN.
Also, France does not deserve to be on the UN Security Council. It was put on the council after WWII, during which France did a particularly poor job of fighting and handed over all their Jews to the Germans and were then murdered.
In my view, the French edprcially and all other European countries are still embarrassed about the Holocaust, and try to rid themselves of guilt by denouncing Israeli actions.
Also, about your comment concerning Israel and nuclear weapons: You have to remember that French Plutonium/Uranium makes up the majority of Israeli nuclear weapons.
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