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Semsem
07-11-2004, 05:21 PM
http://www.maarivenglish.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9631

“Hague Shmague”

Ben Kaspit has a calming message for those worried about the outcome of the ICJ’s ruling; soon everyone will be talking about the Gaza Strip and Gush Katif Ben Kaspit


They’ve certainly done it again. What was formerly known as the “Useless UN” is now “Hague Shmague”, only with the same exact anti-Semitic, mean-spirited, one-sided approach. With barely a mention of terrorism, showing up late in paragraph 116, the sea of tears that brought about the barrier’s construction was completely ignored. The decision was “evil, imbalanced, twisted, and ridiculous”, as an unmoved Jerusalem retorts, and understandably so.

The UN secretary general will pass the decision on to the General Assembly, who will in turn raise it in the Security Council, which will obviously reject it disdainfully (after the United States vetoes it of course). Then it will be passed back to the assembly, who will, as usual, compose a fancy decision that will call for sanctions etc. etc. The Palestinians will do their happy jig, as usual, but at the end of the day they will be no closer to achieving their goals.

This October, maybe November, nobody will be thinking about Hague. Everybody will be busy with the Gaza Strip and Gush Katif. True, had the decision been less biased and not a smack in the face to the victims of terrorism here, had it acknowledged Israel’s right for self-defense, had it called on Israel to erect the barrier on the armistice line (Green line), then we would have been in deep trouble. Go talk back at a reasonable claim, or at a legitimate and perhaps justified ruling.

The ICJ’s ruling is twisted to the extent that it has some unintentional good in it. But it is no cause for a celebration; quite the contrary. First, this decision will go down in history, carefully filed, as a norm in international discourse that does us a great deal of harm. No American veto in the world can change that; it is ethical, humane, public, international harm. It could really take off in Europe, for example. In a steady trickle of harm, it could ruin what was left of Israel’s reputation.

How long can we expect the Americans to stand as a barrier separating the world and us? I don’t know. And another issue, the court’s ruling expresses a contemporary trend: The world is getting tired of us. Hate for Israel is swelling, crossing borders. The ICJ’s ruling is writing on the wall; the world’s intolerance for our problems is so very strong, and nobody cares for Israel and its troubles.

Time is not at our advantage. We can’t always be strong. We can admit to our failings. How on earth have we made all the mistakes, paid the highest price, taken the worst road, had stones thrown at us, discovered landmines the hard way, and in the end, accepted this harsh ruling? We all know that ultimately the barrier will be made to be more reasonable, less obtrusive and not thanks to the ICJ but to our High Court of Justice. Not in Hague, in Jerusalem. But we had to learn it the hard way, as usual.

WissNX01
07-15-2004, 10:55 PM
Jews should stop caring what the Europeans think. They are all anti-semetic Nazi sympathizers. If Isreal gave into what the world wanted, every Jew and Jew supporter would be gassed and burned to death.

Jamkishi
07-16-2004, 07:52 PM
to call europeans nazi-sympathizers is a bit rational but not un-expected off an israel forum...
typical of the extreme paranoia shown by the above mentioned.
it's because of the knowledge and the leadership shown by europeans through the ages we're even able to have this conversation.
i resent that ^quote wissnx01.
israel should listen to europe and climb out of her selfish shell.

minusthejihad
07-16-2004, 09:16 PM
And which Europe would that be? I mean, that Israel should listen to?

Gilgamesh
07-17-2004, 03:54 AM
it's because of the knowledge and the leadership shown by europeans through the ages we're even able to have this conversation. "KNOWLEDGE AND LEADERSHIP"???? ROFL!!!!! :D I never had such a good laugh for ages!!! "THROUGH THE AGES" ???!!! LOL!!!! Is this guy for real? Does he realy believe what he says???

I mean, for someone from IRA country, must know ALOT about "knowladge and leadership"? What about Europe... What "AGES" does europe has? What leadership? The Imperialist colonial leadership you mean? What about two world wars? colonial wars? Crusades? What Knowladge? What Ages? What Leadership?

How many years Irland was civilized? How many years modern Europe was civilized? A thousand years? Many around here would say that Europe is still very much barbarian, despite the huge Jewish contribution to Europe culture, some things only time can produce... like "Knowladge and leadership".

This early and he already got few guiness too many... sober up or run a way from our forum!


i resent that ^quote wissnx01. And I support it!


israel should listen to europe and climb out of her selfish shell. The shell is for a good reason. This reason called Europe!.

Jamkishi
07-17-2004, 09:43 AM
gilgamesh...there's no need to get personal.
i was just stating what i believe,that israel should listen to the european court so as to further your country's standing in the world.
sorry if i offended anybody.
we are not all nazi-sympathizers though my friend.
i want whats best for israel too.
you should not fear europe though.

Jamkishi
07-17-2004, 09:45 AM
what leadership by the way in ireland?
if you truly understood sinn fein and their policies you would be impressed my friend.
tiocfaidh ar la.

Gilgamesh
07-17-2004, 09:49 AM
gilgamesh...there's no need to get personal.
i was just stating what i believe,that israel should listen to the european court so as to further your country's standing in the world.
sorry if i offended anybody.
we are not all nazi-sympathizers though my friend.
i want whats best for israel too.
you should not fear europe though.

I don't fear Europe, we have our IDF, our Army to protect us from what ever we fear and dim nasty.

Israel does not need to further our standing in the world, and caving in to terrorist demands, even if they use UN as a loud speaker, do a quite poor job in "furthering our standing".

Had you wanted the best for Israel you'd support the fence, as well as Israel right of self defence. So were most Europeans. However, this is not the case. Not with you, not with the majority of European population. Not today, certainly not in the past, and why the future should be any different?

Bottom line, you have to face the music. European are nasty bunch of you know what. I don't like Europeans for their overall stances and actions against my people and my homeland today.

Find some other forum or change your tune.

Gilgamesh
07-17-2004, 09:54 AM
what leadership by the way in ireland?
if you truly understood sinn fein and their policies you would be impressed my friend.
tiocfaidh ar la.

I understand Michael Collins. He gave us some inspiration in fighting off the Brits. But then it all over. The sinn fein became a gang of marxist terrorists. Killers of women and children. We have nothing to lern from them.

The relative calm today is only an arms truth, a cease fire.
The IRA hadn't vanished and will not vanish. War is a terrorist only reason to exist, and I see no reason for an organization to committ suicide. Therefor, the war, the terrorism will carry on in the near and distant future.

The IRA are blood thirsty. The thirst for blood is similar to Irishman thirst for bear. Will never disappear.

WissNX01
07-17-2004, 10:06 AM
gilgamesh...there's no need to get personal.
i was just stating what i believe,that israel should listen to the european court so as to further your country's standing in the world.
sorry if i offended anybody.
we are not all nazi-sympathizers though my friend.
i want whats best for israel too.
you should not fear europe though.

WHat you want for Isreal and all Jews is another Holocaust. Europe isnt good for anyone besides Europeans. Europe is and always has been a stronghold of hate against Jews and everyone else that isnt like them. Isreal is respected by me and every other American that knows what injustice looks like. YOur not all nazi sympathizers? NO one meantioned the Nazis. Dont fear Europe? I dont think so. Europe has collectivly been responsible to persecution against every culture in the world. If it were me, I would be afraid of anthing the Europeans say or do, because they are scary.

WissNX01
07-17-2004, 10:14 AM
I don't fear Europe, we have our IDF, our Army to protect us from what ever we fear and dim nasty.

Israel does not need to further our standing in the world, and caving in to terrorist demands, even if they use UN as a loud speaker, do a quite poor job in "furthering our standing".


Find some other forum or change your tune.

The UN is also a joke. Anyone that thinks they have any authority over anything, is nuts. Its just a hang out for diplomats, and nothing is ever accomplished. The UN and all its backers whine and cry for the terrorists to be included in human rights. They are animals, and until they respect human rights, they cant carry on like they have them, and the UN is full of terrorists itself anyway.

The UN whines about terrorist rights, but you see them doing nothing about the Genocide in Africa, or the famines, or human rights in the Middle East and China. The UN sits back and watches MILLIONS die every year.

Jamkishi, you need to get a clue and go away. Theres a French forum where you can go and bash Isreal and the US and everyone else that you want. Or the Nazi forum. If you want, Ill give you an address, but you need to get some facts.

Justcurious
07-17-2004, 10:52 AM
Jews should stop caring what the Europeans think. They are all anti-semetic Nazi sympathizers. If Isreal gave into what the world wanted, every Jew and Jew supporter would be gassed and burned to death.

This could even be considered an insult. The people of Israel must have a place, where ever the place may be.

David_in_NYC
07-17-2004, 11:01 AM
Shouldn't it be "Hague Schlock" if it's going to rhyme? (Ahava?)

Gilgamesh
07-17-2004, 11:13 AM
This could even be considered an insult. The people of Israel must have a place, where ever the place may be.
And we have our IDF, and we Israelis do reserve duty when ever we are called for, to keep and protect our right for a place of our own. Whatever and despite, the opinion of the whole world and his wife.

WissNX01
07-17-2004, 02:04 PM
This could even be considered an insult. The people of Israel must have a place, where ever the place may be.

It was an insult. Isreal has the right to exist, even though, you shouldnt

Jamkishi
07-17-2004, 05:52 PM
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