Shin Bet chief: Up to 200 Jews 'actively awaiting' PM's death

[sharonbn]

Shin Bet chief: Up to 200 Jews 'actively awaiting' PM's death

The Shin Bet internal security service has a list of between 150 and 200 Jews who are "actively awaiting" the death of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, agency director Avi Dichter told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Tuesday morning.

It was not clear what he meant by "actively awaiting."

Dichter said most of these individuals live in West Bank settlements and a smaller number live in the Gaza Strip. He said some of those on the list are described as "hilltop youth," young settlers who are extremist in their beliefs and actions.

Labor MK Haim Ramon asked Dichter: "If we were talking about Palestinians and not Jews, would you place these people in administrative detention?"

"Absolutely," Dichter replied.

An a cabinet meeting held on July 4, Dichter said "the activities of Israel's extreme right have escalated." He cited a story about IDF Lieutenant Colonel Yakutiel Vizner, rabbi for the IDF Central Command, who was attacked in a Haredi neighborhood in northern Jerusalem by right-wing militants.

Dichter said the attackers were infuriated over the authorization Vizner gave to demolish Kahane College on the West Bank. They blocked the rabbi's path and cursed Vizner and his wife, and this continued until police arrived and dispersed the attackers. The institution was named after extreme right-winger Meir Kahane, whose Kach movement has been outlawed.

more info and responses:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/453803.html

[Gilgamesh]

Shin Bet chief: Up to 200 Jews 'actively awaiting' PM's death

The Shin Bet internal security service has a list of between 150 and 200 Jews who are "actively awaiting" the death of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, agency director Avi Dichter told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Tuesday morning.

It was not clear what he meant by "actively awaiting."

Dichter said most of these individuals live in West Bank settlements and a smaller number live in the Gaza Strip. He said some of those on the list are described as "hilltop youth," young settlers who are extremist in their beliefs and actions.

Labor MK Haim Ramon asked Dichter: "If we were talking about Palestinians and not Jews, would you place these people in administrative detention?"

"Absolutely," Dichter replied.

An a cabinet meeting held on July 4, Dichter said "the activities of Israel's extreme right have escalated." He cited a story about IDF Lieutenant Colonel Yakutiel Vizner, rabbi for the IDF Central Command, who was attacked in a Haredi neighborhood in northern Jerusalem by right-wing militants.

Dichter said the attackers were infuriated over the authorization Vizner gave to demolish Kahane College on the West Bank. They blocked the rabbi's path and cursed Vizner and his wife, and this continued until police arrived and dispersed the attackers. The institution was named after extreme right-winger Meir Kahane, whose Kach movement has been outlawed.

more info and responses:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/453803.html

We both know there are dozens of nutty Marxist professor, who under the "academic freedom" incited their students to violance and co-operation with terrorism, yet this is never published, while everybody know it's going on. You know how does it called? media spinning and false accusations. This whole thing is blown out of proportions to serve a political purpose,

[sharonbn]

We both know there are dozens of nutty Marxist professor, who under the "academic freedom" incited their students to violance and co-operation with terrorism, yet this is never published, while everybody know it's going on. You know how does it called? media spinning and false accusations. This whole thing is blown out of proportions to serve a political purpose,

First of all, we don't both know of "dozens of nutty Marxist professor" who incite their students to violence. Evidence to that is the lack of violent attacks by Marxist activists in Israel, or any other left activists for that matter (I'm talking about attacks against people, not against lifeless objects like the fence.) - as opposed to the right extremists, who have "proof" of the seriousness of their criminal intentions.

Second, this is not the media that is doing "spinning" and "false accusations". It is the head of shin beit reporting to the Knesset committee. If he has a political agenda, which is totally unfounded at this time, then you should point your venom to him, not the media.

[Gilgamesh]

First of all, we don't both know of "dozens of nutty Marxist professor" who incite their students to violence. Evidence to that is the lack of violent attacks by Marxist activists in Israel, or any other left activists for that matter (I'm talking about attacks against people, not against lifeless objects like the fence.) - as opposed to the right extremists, who have "proof" of the seriousness of their criminal intentions.

The far Marxist left in Israel do worse the holding guns. The collaborate.
What the names: Victor Ostrovsky, Udi Adiv, Israel Bare and many others, all tell you? Traitors. Soviet spies and collaborators with Arab enemies in time of war. This is the left. Driving Arabs, hiding, giving critical information to the enemy.


Second, this is not the media that is doing "spinning" and "false accusations". It is the head of shin beit reporting to the Knesset committee. If he has a political agenda, which is totally unfounded at this time, then you should point your venom to him, not the media. The media takes his words out of context. There is far more words spoken by him on the meeting of the Knesset committee, unpublished by politicly distorted media.

[Mediocrates]

I find that report no different from the vague dark threats I hear from Ridge and Ashcroft. I think it's meant just to rile people up.

[sharonbn]

The far Marxist left in Israel do worse the holding guns. The collaborate.
What the names: Victor Ostrovsky, Udi Adiv, Israel Bare and many others, all tell you? Traitors. Soviet spies and collaborators with Arab enemies in time of war. This is the left. Driving Arabs, hiding, giving critical information to the enemy.
and where is the connection with the stupid allegation of "dozens of nutty Marxist professor who incite their students to violence"? You throw false accusation with no backing, then add bunch of names with no connection to one another and no connection to the accusation and what? hope that with all this smoke screen to make your point?

Victor Ostrovsky is not even related to the topic. not ONE bit. he is a former Mossad (not shabac) operative who published a book about mossad tactics from his experience. He did this for the money w/o any ideological background. we don't even know what his political tendency. but let's throw his name into the smoke screen, right?


The media takes his words out of context. There is far more words spoken by him on the meeting of the Knesset committee, unpublished by politicly distorted media.
and how would you know? were you in the meeting in the knesset?? maybe the media fully qouted him in context?? just because something is not pleasing to the ear does not mean its a lie or distortion. If you slander, you better prepare some proof and present it.

[sharonbn]

the report means to show that a second murder of Israeli PM is a plausible scenario and security forces should prepare and prevent it.

[Mediocrates]

One would think that is standard operating procedure in Israel, no?

Hmmm.. today is.......Kill Sharon day, better keep alert for that one.

[sharonbn]

One would think that is standard operating procedure in Israel, no?

Hmmm.. today is.......Kill Sharon day, better keep alert for that one.

No. Israel, unlike the US, doesn't have constant threats of extremist groups aiming to assasinate political figures or bomb gov't buildings, etc. Ariel Sharon had no cause to fear for his life prior to the presentation of the separation plan.

[Mediocrates]

I imagine Hamas would beg to differ. Oh well if you want to turn this into a screed against America and how we're all Tim McVeigh over here have at it.

[sharonbn]

I imagine Hamas would beg to differ. Oh well if you want to turn this into a screed against America and how we're all Tim McVeigh over here have at it.

no such intentions. I understood from your snide remarks that you don't understand what's the news here. Well, the "news" here is the threat for Sharon's life from Jews, which is not a common/constant occurrence. Also, handling the threat will be done differently than threats of terror attacks. The news is so important and realistic that head of shabac deemed it necessary to report to the Knesset.

[Mediocrates]

No I don't understand WHY it's news. A vague threat that some people undetermined who or where or when or how are 'waiting actively' for the death of PM Sharon is just a lot like over here when for no obvious reason the terror rainbow is jacked to red or purple or silver or fuschia or god knows what else.

Uh ok, I guess I'll...........something?

[sharonbn]

try to take the news in the context of the assasination of PM Rabin, 9 years ago, and see if it makes more sense ....

[MichaelC]

No. Israel, unlike the US, doesn't have constant threats of extremist groups aiming to assasinate political figures or bomb gov't buildings, etc. Ariel Sharon had no cause to fear for his life prior to the presentation of the separation plan.
What in the hell are you talking about? The only constant threat we experience here is similiar to the one Israelis experience which is to say, arab terrorism. The U.S., population +- 280,000,000, produces a nutcase like McVeigh or the unabomber now and then, but to characterize it as "constant" is rhetorical drivel. Threats of assassination? Again, what in the hell are you talking about?

[KettleWhistle]

The Shin Bet internal security service has a list of between 150 and 200 Jews who are "actively awaiting" the death of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, agency director Avi Dichter told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Tuesday morning.

It was not clear what he meant by "actively awaiting."

What the hell is "actively awaiting" anyway?

And they should add 4 million Arabs that live in Israel to that list.

[Mediocrates]

That was kind if my point. Isn't whoever the Israeli PM is, the most closely guarded person in the world or something close to that?

[minusthejihad]

I think SharonBM is like the Israeli Michale Moore here.

He tries to air his country's dirty laundry to the world in the hopes that things will change for the better.

But what he ends up doing is giving his country's enemies the ammunition they need.

[Gilgamesh]

Victor Ostrovsky is not even related to the topic. not ONE bit. he is a former Mossad (not shabac) operative who published a book about mossad tactics from his experience. He did this for the money w/o any ideological background. we don't even know what his political tendency. but let's throw his name into the smoke screen, right? You are right, I was wrong, I was thinking of some one else. I was thinking about Marcus Klinberg. I got mixed up in the traitor's list. There are so many of them from your side of the political map...

[qutoe=sharonbn]
and how would you know? were you in the meeting in the knesset?? maybe the media fully qouted him in context?? just because something is not pleasing to the ear does not mean its a lie or distortion. If you slander, you better prepare some proof and present it.[/QUOTE]
Do I have to be in that committee to know what EVERY student in Isael knows? Get real!

[sharonbn]

Do I have to be in that committee to know what EVERY student in Isael knows? Get real!

I guess we don't have to be in the committee to know what every settler knows as well...

[KettleWhistle]

I think SharonBM is like the Israeli Michale Moore here.

He tries to air his country's dirty laundry to the world in the hopes that things will change for the better.

But what he ends up doing is giving his country's enemies the ammunition they need.

Moore doesn't air any dirty laundry. He makes sensationalist films in which he takes people's quotes out of context. His documentaries, if you can call them that, are pretty bad as documentaries. If not for the Bush-bashing his films would've ended up right where they should have--in a garbage bin.