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Semsem
07-20-2004, 06:13 AM
http://www.maarivenglish.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9962

Israel concerned about rise of Islam in Europe

Classified Foreign Ministry report states 9 to 15 million Moslems in Europe could increase influence of Islam on shape of continent in future.
Ilil Shahar


European nations are concerned about the rise of Islam, which is now the second largest religion in Europe, a classified Foreign Ministry report states.

According to the report, most EU nations perceive the presence of radical Moslems as a threat to state security and the fabric of life. The Moslem population in Europe is growing rapidly and now consists of between 9 and 15 million people.

“According to the demographic data, the number of Moslems will continue to steadily rise due to a high birth rate and the continued mass immigrations. The meaning of such a rise could be the increased influence Moslems have on the shape of Europe in the future”, the report states.

The report adds that the influx of immigrating Moslems, especially women, is rising as European nations are failing to deal with the phenomenon of “importing” brides from Islamic countries, brides who are preferred by Moslem men since they have yet to be exposed to the undesired effects of Western society.

The September 11 attacks in New York and Washington and the March 11 bombings in Madrid have led to increased intelligence cooperation between European nations in order to enhance the surveillance on radical Moslem groups. Investigations revealed that such elements undertake extensive operations throughout the continent.

According to the report, there are two contradictory trends among Moslem communities in Europe: on the one hand, large sections of the population want to become integrated in the local population but on the other hand, there are some groups who demand their uniqueness be recognized.

In the large Moslem communities in France, Britain and Germany, the Moslem immigrants tend to close themselves in their communities and establish religious, communal and ethnic institutions. The report states that there are dozens of groups in Europe whose agenda stems from that of the radical “Moslem Brotherhood”.

The report adds that the majority of radical preaching takes place in mosques that are not under government supervision and in places where there is a large concentration of lower class Moslems. A large part of the crowd in such gatherings consists of second and third generation of immigrants who were not able to integrate in European society and as such feel rejected by it.

These young people are the main target group for recruiters of terror organizations. Many of those arrested on suspicion of links to terror groups in the continent, were born in Europe.



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5. Muslim growth vs. Jewish growth
Joel K., Cleveland, OH(2004-07-20 09:33:43.607 EST)
Big difference: 2.2 Billion Muslims. 9 to 15 million in Europe, alone. 15 million Jews. About 2 million (and rapidly decreasing) in Europe. Jews: pretty assimiliated. Muslims: Don't assimilate. Jews: not participating in terrorism. Muslims: well, what more need I say?

4. Mr Pepe and his "bad argument".
uzziel(2004-07-20 09:26:59.903 EST)
Actually the number of jews around the world is decreasing. Pls take a look at the stats before making an argument of it. Tell me how many jews have been involved in terrorist attacks, let say, in the last 10 years, around the world ? And how many moslems have been involved in terrorist attacks, claiming that their actions are "jihad", a religious holy war? "Anyone" can be very racist or out of the reality.

3. As the world turns.
Y. Schneider, Canada(2004-07-20 09:18:19.343 EST)
Currently arab and muslim terrorists are Israel's and America's problem. But as the muslim menace continues to spread like a virulent plague, soon western democracy in European states will be threatened. . When they finally wake up and see the destruction caused by the muslims in their midst, the war on terror can finally commence.

2. Bad argument !
Jose, London(2004-07-20 08:53:46.03 EST)
I guess using the same tone, one can argue that the rise in population of Jews around the world is also a menace to world peace, given that they support Israel's murderous policies and state terrorism. How racist can anyone be ?

1. muslims in Europe
jkappert, porto(2004-07-20 07:23:52.45 EST)
Thanksfully there is a widespread tolerance of other religions in Europe. Divided betwee catholics and protestants, Europeans have learned not to criticize religious standpoints. As long as the world will not go to intercultural war, in Europe will prevail peace.

Semsem
07-20-2004, 06:16 AM
Notice the antisemitic comments from the guy called Jose in London and the guy in Porto, Portugal.

Yu will be struck how "blind" they are. These jerks still have not figured out who they should be worried about. It also took them a while to figure out that Hitler was a threat and by the time they had, it was too late and it took 50 million lives to get rid of him.

Mediocrates
07-20-2004, 06:25 AM
At this point why should we really care? If it turns out that they all bow to Mecca at swordpoint, then so?? If they don't even care about their own growing disenfranchised underclass violent malcontents and instead attack 'The Zionists" the same way that each and every dysfunctional Cannibal Kingdom in the Middle East does, as a way to deflect their grumbling masses from revolution, then I say let it all splash in the abattoir. The growth of an increasingly dangerous radical muslim subclass in Europe will closely parallel the falling off of the Jewish population there either by ageing, emmigration, intermarriage or sheer abandonment. So by the time Europe has essentially no Jews at all is when they will turn the Eiffel Tower into a minaret.

L@mplighterM
07-20-2004, 10:19 AM
So Israel and the US (depending on who gets elected) become two forts that’ll stand strong against Islamic invasion. I don’t think that’s possible in the long run!

Two countries can’t remain an oasis surrounded by religious fanatics whose goal it is to dominate the world. It’ll take sheer strength and determination to roll back Islam to a point where it won’t present a danger to Israel and the US.

There’s no question in my mind that the Israeli Arab population will surpass that of the Jews sometimes in the not too distant future. When that point is reached it’ll be with thanks from the Israeli Jewish taxpayers that will have made it possible by subsidizing Arabs salaries so they can feed their kids.

We have the technology to burn the planet to a crisp and that’s the only thing that’ll stop Islam from conquering every square inch of this planet if the current trend continues.

Justcurious
07-20-2004, 10:39 AM
We have the technology to burn the planet to a crisp and that’s the only thing that’ll stop Islam from conquering every square inch of this planet if the current trend continues.

Do you have any idea when you will have the technology to live peacefully with your neighbours (Israel, not the US)? As Mediocrates said why should you really care. The survey (link?) does not mean that the concern concerns all the European nations. This is only a small part of Europe, but I haven't seen any problems here. Isn't a religion everybody's own business?

Olivier
07-20-2004, 11:21 AM
We have the technology to burn the planet to a crisp and that’s the only thing that’ll stop Islam from conquering every square inch of this planet if the current trend continues.
Do you have any idea when you will have the technology to live peacefully with your neighbours This is just a sample of the typical LamplighterM post ... he is affected with some kind of pathological obsession on using nuclear bombs. "Apology of nuclear holocaust" I call it.

Unfortunately, there is nothing in the rules of the road (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=11) on this kind of call to mass-murder.

Mediocrates
07-20-2004, 11:26 AM
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Justcurious
07-20-2004, 11:35 AM
Mediocrates: You are certainly free to run your own blog. Really, no one will stop you.

Unfortunately the English language is sometimes a bit bad. You don't indicate whether the people concerned were in plural or whether just one person was addressed.

L@mplighterM
07-20-2004, 11:36 AM
Isn't a religion everybody's own business?

The world is awakening and I like others do not view Islam totally as a religion. If then I’m correct in my assessment I don’t see why the non Islam world should stand idly by while Islam moves to fulfill its agenda of world domination in the name of the Koran and/or Islam.

L@mplighterM
07-20-2004, 11:43 AM
This is just a sample of the typical LamplighterM post ... he is affected with some kind of pathological obsession on using nuclear bombs. "Apology of nuclear holocaust" I call it.

Unfortunately, there is nothing in the rules of the road (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=11) on this kind of call to mass-murder.

I would prefer death rather than be subjected to Islamic law. I can’t speak for the rest of the non-Islamic community but I imagine that most feel the same way.

When we enter the darkest hour I hope a 10,000 Ton cobalt magnesium doomsday device is launched thus ending the Islamic conquest.

Justcurious
07-20-2004, 11:54 AM
I would prefer death rather than be subjected to Islamic law.

Good heavens, I thought the Muslims were the only ones, as our local paper wrote, that prefer death (martyrdom) instead of being a football or singing star!

Doesn't look promising at all.

Mediocrates
07-20-2004, 11:58 AM
Mediocrates: You are certainly free to run your own blog. Really, no one will stop you.

Unfortunately the English language is sometimes a bit bad. You don't indicate whether the people concerned were in plural or whether just one person was addressed.


Feel free, whomever...

L@mplighterM
07-20-2004, 12:04 PM
Good heavens, I thought the Muslims were the only ones, as our local paper wrote, that prefer death (martyrdom) instead of being a football or singing star!

Doesn't look promising at all.

Martyrdom?

I’m afraid that you didn’t understand my post!

Justcurious
07-20-2004, 12:26 PM
Martyrdom?

I’m afraid that you didn’t understand my post!
Possibly. Just like a knowledgeable fireman would say: the fire was extinguished in the wrong way. We only have one way of dying.

Mediocrates
07-20-2004, 12:34 PM
Show of hands.

Who's afraid of dying?

L@mplighterM
07-20-2004, 01:09 PM
Show of hands.

Who's afraid of dying?

Not I !

Semsem
07-20-2004, 01:29 PM
In Egypt we Jews lived under Moslem law and it was fine. If the Moslem society is tolerant of Jews or minorities, then to be fair, it's OK. The problem is countries like Saudi Arabia which follow an intolerant form of Islam.

L@mplighterM
07-20-2004, 08:42 PM
What was was and what is is.

I don’t think that Jews will ever be able to live amongst Arabs/Muslims again.