Road map violated again: Israel gives green light to 600 new settlement buildings

[Olivier]

two threads of mine have been edited of late, apparently by a moderator




the titles that have been altered are

"the real cause of the death of Arafat"

as been changed to
"Politicizing the Yasser Arafat's cause of death; or, what we don't know can hurt you.
http://www.israelforum.com/board/showpost.php?p=122881&postcount=70

I do not see what the added insinuation means... or what value added it brings





Bombing of French soldiers : Israelis involved

to

Bombing of French soldiers : Israelis involved, Satan unavailable for comment
http://www.israelforum.com/board/showpost.php?p=122938&postcount=126
I had not into of putting any satanic reference in the discussion

Overall, the objective of this person is harassment.
Arbitrary harassment because he does not share my opinions. Why leave intact threads which are either pure provocation of plain false and modify titles respecting forum rule? Why choose to distord the name of the threads I started?

let's see one example on naming a thread :

France: we will use the UN-mandate to continue the occupation of the Ivory Coast => this is plain lie, no french declaration was made about "occupating ivory coast".

and guess what, the guy who created the thread has been promoted moderator ! Now he can toy with what I say in total impunity...

Now If you want to see delirant threads titles just browse the forum..



Now what should I do ?
- I have first protested to the forum owner (newsguy), who answered that moderators are fully allowed change thread titles. This practice is discretionary and completely arbitrary. Any moderator can change a thread name to what he wants. Just because he feels like it.

Ok, now what do I do ? I can either
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solution #1 - accept that the thread I start have a title perverting what the idea I defend.

solution #2 - stop posting and conceide victory to the harasser. This will also overjoy all here that do not share my opinions.


Now although it is certainly not good to give in to harassment, I have choose solution #2. As I wrote to the forum owner "you might as well have the guts to ask me to leave politely and I certainly would not insist".
But the idea that someone can pull strings and make me say what I do not want to say, just because he finds it fun is completely disgusting to me.

I do not know for you, maybe some of you find it fantastic to read a forum like this, but for me this is more than just hindering freedom of expression, this is plain pervert.

So bye all !


Overall I hope I have contributed adding value to the forum and interest to the reader.
I tried to start threads worthy of real debate and to documents my posts as well as I could! I tried not to answer provocation by avoiding the most aggressive of hateful posters.

On the statistic side, I started no less than 113 threads and wrote 1250 posts, which means I easily dedicated two hundred hours to the forum.

these are some of the threads I am the most proud of , Bush is elected, what can we expect in the next years?
• Good news for the Saudis and the iranians: Crude prices hit 21 year high
• Fight against Global warming : Kyoto Protocol becomes international treaty.
• teaching democracy (it's a picture !)
• If America were Iraq, What Would It be Like?
• Another legend down the drain : Iraq's Disappearing Elections (this one is likely to make a comeback)
• a no-win war against 1.3 billion Muslims
• Israel Has Long Spied on U.S alleges Counterpunch (I think this thread title has been manipulated as well)
• Moore's anti-Bush film wins top Cannes award
• Arab-Israeli Retaliation Tragic, Unhelpful
• Europe must not define itself against America
• about the dangers of blurring the lines between humanitarians workers and armies
• French troops deployed on Sudan border
• Military Draft in the US?
• Reaction in France on Sharon calling french jews to "leave immediately
• Torture by US forces is Iraq is not just isolated incidents (that thread is probably the one with the longuest debate : 481 posts)
• How can the damage of the torture photos be repaired? (with now a variant with the shooting of an unarmed wounded insurged in a mosque)
• Are we de-Baathifying or re-Baathifying this week? (that one was not a success, by it was fun)
• Rebirth at Ground Zero (don’t start optimistics threads here : no success)
• Real politics starting inside iraq? (ditto)
• U.S. Drops Effort to Gain Immunity for Its Troops
• 9/11 panel says there was ‘‘no credible evidence’’ that Saddam had ties with al-Qaida
• Big demonstration in Paris today against anti-Semitism
• europe grows : Israelis rush on europeans passport
• hostilities ending in Falluja? (lucky I put an interrogation mark on that one.. that was started in june)
• France to expel Muslim cleric over abuse

And it makes me extremely sad to realize all these titles can be perverted anytime…



…. So I have decided, that I prefer to remove some of my posts than to have what I mean manipulated against my will, it’s a bit sad, but it seems reasonable to withdraw from a debate when the debate turns out to be a fake. And of course I do not approve of the hatred shown by the people who manipulate this forum to their ends.

[alexbmn]

Road Map died last year.

[Olivier]

Road Map died last year.I can change the title, but I'm not sure either the US or the international community, or even the belligerents said that "the Road Map died" - link?

nearly all the articles I read on the subject of these new settlement do refer to the roadmap. Including the Jerusalem Post.

[Olivier]

here you are :

US Reminds Israel Not to Expand Settlements
Laurie Kassman
State Department
02 Aug 2004, 19:35 UTC


The U.S. government is urging Israel to abide by the road map that calls for ending settlements, not expanding them. U.S. officials are also calling on Israeli, Palestinian and Egyptian officials to resolve a border closure that has left hundreds of Palestinians stranded.

Israel's defense ministry has approved the expansion of a major Jewish settlement, which is home to 28,000 residents, near Jerusalem, The go-ahead for an additional 600 homes comes despite U.S. calls to freeze settlement activity for the sake of the peace process.


State Department spokesman Adam Ereli Monday reminded Israel of its commitments to the so-called "road map" for peace. But he stopped short of criticizing the latest decision to expand Maale Adumin settlement.

"The road map calls for an end to all settlement activities, including natural growth," Mr. Ereli says. "We have discussed with Prime Minister Sharon the need to make progress on the settlement issue, beginning with the removal of unauthorized settlement outposts."

Mr. Ereli also called on Israeli, Palestinian and Egyptian officials to resolve a humanitarian crisis sparked by Israel's closure of a border crossing, which has left hundreds of Palestinians stranded on the Egyptian side.

"We are reiterating our call to all the parties to avoid taking steps or actions that undermine trust and create new obstacles to implementing the road map and realizing the president's vision of two states," Mr. Ereli says. "The burden and hardship being imposed on the Palestinians is problematic and we are working with all parties to help resolve it."

Palestinian families have been camping inside the Egyptian border terminal or in makeshift tents outside since Israel closed the Rafah crossing two weeks ago.

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=B2B84501-EE9A-47EF-A310019866E5A397

[tandem]

the road map is an open concept. israel didn't sign any agreement to implement it. the israeli government accepted it in principle but this was dependent on palestinian reforms. israel made this clear to the americans. since no palestinian reforms have taken place, no one can rationally expect israel to implement any part of the road map on its own.

the road map is chronological in nature. the very first article of it requires the palestinians put an end to terrorism and incitement. this will be followed by israeli concessions. so far the palestinians have chosen to ignore the road map in every respect yet they are asking the international community to force israel to follow it. this is nothing but another vile attempt by the palestinians and their sympathizers to have the international community save arafat's despotic regime and avoid the necessary reforms as outlined in the road map.

[European2006]

the road map is an open concept. israel didn't sign any agreement to implement it. the israeli government accepted it in principle but this was dependent on palestinian reforms. israel made this clear to the americans. since no palestinian reforms have taken place, no one can rationally expect israel to implement any part of the road map on its own.

the road map is chronological in nature. the very first article of it requires the palestinians put an end to terrorism and incitement. this will be followed by israeli concessions. so far the palestinians have chosen to ignore the road map in every respect yet they are asking the international community to force israel to follow it. this is nothing but another vile attempt by the palestinians and their sympathizers to have the international community save arafat's despotic regime and avoid the necessary reforms as outlined in the road map.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

[Mediocrates]

So say the fine people of Omagh.

[MGB8]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

No, another falsehood.

A terrorist is a person who targets non-combatants for death in order to forward a political aim (by instilling fear in the non-combatant population).

There is no mutual exclusivity between a freedom fighter and a terrorists. A terrorist may murder non-combatants for "good" goals, and they are still depraved people acting outside the law of war.

On the other hand, a freedom fighter can attack military instalations, etc., and merely be an insurgent or guerilla.

Learn the difference. By the way, the tunnell attack killing two and kidnapping was not an act of terrorism, just an act of war. Its being responded to in kind.

[CoinToss]

Road map violated
Le jour où ces foutus arabes auront convertis leurs groupes terroristes en armée régulière, comme prévu déjààl'époque d'Oslo, tu viendras me parler de ta roadmap de mes fesses ! Ben Gourion l'avait fait dès la déclaration d'indépendance en coulant l'Altalena, ni ce monstre d'Arafat, ni ce négationniste(oui, il a une thèse égyptienne en négationnisme) d'Abbas ne l'ont fait. Après un an de gel de construction d'implantation, après un an d'absence juive àGazah, quels ont été les actions arabes en faveur de cette fameuse ROADMAP ?? AUCUNE !

[CoinToss]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Absolutly not. I made this chart some time ago in order that retarded people including journalists could ever understand the right words to use.


>Standard war (usage of neutral terms)
(A)Soldier aiming soldiers=war partisan
(B)Armed civilian aiming armed civilians=civil war partisan

>Assymetric war (usage of neutral terms)
(C)Soldier aiming Armed Civilians=soldier
(D)Armed civilian aiming soldiers=militant

>Warcrimes (usage of semi-neutral terms)
(E)Soldier aiming civilians=warcriminal
(F)Armed civilian aiming civilians=terrorist
(G)Soldier aiming warcriminals=freedom soldier
(H)Armed civilian aiming warcriminals=freedom fighter
(I)Soldier aiming terrorist=antiterrorist soldier
(J)Armed civilian aiming terrorist=antiterrorist policeman

Is considered "armed", any civilian involved in fighting until he officially gives up.

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