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golani
08-12-2004, 12:49 AM
Recovering from jetlag,I decided to write a short thread dedicated to 3 weeks travel in Ontario and Quebec in july 2004,especially about the growing presence of muslims in both provinces

i took off from Charles de Gaule ,a huge airport in the same category as Chicago O'hare or Atlanta
The important presence of islamic veils all around the depature hall confirmed my suspicion of pre islamic status of France
Arrival in Montreal.It is a pleasant city with very friendly people
While strolling downtown in rue st catherine ,i was once more dismayed by the significant number of veiled women in the street
On the other hand,I was pleasantly surprized by the convivial mood among the heterogeneous components of people
Despite being labelled as the second french speaking city in the world, I found Montreal much more english speaking compared to my previous stay,15 years ago
Ottawa ,the federal capital is an interesting place to visit, no veils in sight...
After passing thru Kingston (fort Henri visit is recommended), I spent Shabath in Toronto
Toronto is paradise for jewish community:more than 250 synagogues,nearly each of them proudly displaying the 3 beautiful israeli,canadian an american fags,flying side by side in the wind
It was really a moving vision for me whereas in europe two of these flags would have been torched at once...
Toronto is home for more than 300.000 jewish souls
You find anything you want:complete jewish superstores,bookshops,flea markets
Along Bathrust avenue,billboards announcing jewish daycamps or other events,no veils in sight
The synagogue where I attend Shabbath is on Thornhill,more than 2.000 people take part to various services...
What amazed me the most was the complete visible absence of security while people gladly spoke to each others after the service:this situation is unthinkable in Europe due to well known security concern
Toronto is a huge city, filled with many highlights
During l my stay, I did not notice an important muslim presence

Bottom line: Canada is a great country with very friendly people,muslim presence in Quebec is clearly a problem which will have to be adressed by government:legally speaking,a limitation of muslim immigration is uthinkable,this was confirmed by canadian friends
Ontario situation seems less problematic to me but this impression is very superficial,i know that many Pakis live in that province

Oh Jerusalem
08-12-2004, 03:52 AM
Veils don't dismay me. Sorry to rain on your parade, Golani.

frizzer1
08-12-2004, 09:01 AM
Veils don't dismay me. Sorry to rain on your parade, Golani.

The use of the word "paki" dismays me.
Mixed feelings for me about veils.One or 2 veils ..who cares? Streets full of veils..oy vey!!!

Mediocrates
08-12-2004, 09:08 AM
That's the first post I've read here that used 'convivial'. Kudos!

frizzer1
08-12-2004, 09:23 AM
Golani...if you were in Thornhill,did to go to Sobees? It is very close to the shul.
It is like Disneyland for jews.The largest kosher dept in north america,I believe....rows and rows of baked goods..pies,cakes,buns,even subway sandwiches....hot soup you serve yourself...all kinds of prepared foods....I love it there...tis a mechaya.

Justcurious
08-12-2004, 10:10 AM
Veils don't dismay me. Sorry to rain on your parade, Golani.

Interesting observations. I also paid attention to the dismay against veils. I wonder how many turbans were noticed. The headgear of Incas might be easy as well.

golani
08-12-2004, 11:25 AM
Veils don't dismay me. Sorry to rain on your parade, Golani.
Veils concern me because they involve charia abiding female citizens
Do not be sorry,I have a good umbrella
kol tov,
golani :cool:

golani
08-12-2004, 11:26 AM
Golani...if you were in Thornhill,did to go to Sobees? It is very close to the shul.
It is like Disneyland for jews.The largest kosher dept in north america,I believe....rows and rows of baked goods..pies,cakes,buns,even subway sandwiches....hot soup you serve yourself...all kinds of prepared foods....I love it there...tis a mechaya.
Sure,I did go to sobees, a dream for a dati jew
Toronto is a nice place
Shalom,
golani :cool:

golani
08-12-2004, 11:28 AM
The use of the word "paki" dismays me.
Mixed feelings for me about veils.One or 2 veils ..who cares? Streets full of veils..oy vey!!!
Sorry for using the world paki, it did not sound that offensive to my french background brain
I never meant 2 veils in Montreal but hundreds of them...
Thanks for your interest,
Golani

golani
08-12-2004, 11:31 AM
Interesting observations. I also paid attention to the dismay against veils. I wonder how many turbans were noticed. The headgear of Incas might be easy as well.
Once more,I do repeat:

Veils do concern me because they involve charia abiding female citizens

Turbans do not disturb me because the sikhs do not want to change the societies in which they live
Thanks for your interest
Golani :cool:

golani
08-12-2004, 11:40 AM
Veils don't dismay me. Sorry to rain on your parade, Golani.

Why using the word parade ?
I just wrote that short thread in a very humble way to convey my very superficial impression,not out of arrogance

Justcurious
08-12-2004, 11:44 AM
Golani, your sincerity with regard to veils is much appreciated!

tandem
08-12-2004, 09:05 PM
Golani...if you were in Thornhill,did to go to Sobees? It is very close to the shul.
It is like Disneyland for jews.The largest kosher dept in north america,I believe....rows and rows of baked goods..pies,cakes,buns,even subway sandwiches....hot soup you serve yourself...all kinds of prepared foods....I love it there...tis a mechaya.
which sobey's? the one on clark and bathurst? i know that place. there are a lot of israeli shops in the same plaza

frizzer1
08-12-2004, 09:16 PM
which sobey's? the one on clark and bathurst? i know that place. there are a lot of israeli shops in the same plaza


Yep,that's the one.It's Chabad city up there.Who has to go to Israel? :)
And have you been to Miami Grill...it's in that plaza too....great steaks.

golani
08-12-2004, 11:09 PM
Yep,that's the one.It's Chabad city up there.Who has to go to Israel? :)
And have you been to Miami Grill...it's in that plaza too....great steaks.

From globeandmail.com (5th april 2004)

In Thornhill, Ont., a Sobeys supermarket employs two full-time rabbis who oversee a kosher section that covers about half the store and, at this time of year, is filled with special items for Passover

Thanks for your interest, I feel gratified by the readership of that thread I hatched :cool: