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Ophra
08-23-2004, 09:24 PM
AG urges Sharon to consider adopting Geneva Convention
By Aluf Benn

The government should "thoroughly examine" the possibility of formally applying the Fourth Geneva Convention - which governs the treatment of civilians in occupied territory - to the territories, a Justice Ministry legal team has recommended, though it said that the international treaty must be applied in a way that maintains Israel's right to assume security responsibility in those areas.

The team was appointed by Attorney General Menachem Mazuz to examine the implications of the International Court of Justice's July 9 ruling on the separation fence.

If the team's recommendation is accepted, it would represent a U-turn in the consistent policy of all previous Israeli governments, which has been not to apply the Geneva Convention to the West Bank and Gaza. Israel's position is that there was no recognized sovereign in these areas before 1967, so they are not "occupied territory" as defined in the convention.

Israel has agreed to apply the convention's humanitarian provisions de facto, but has always stressed that this does not constitute formal acceptance of the convention's applicability. In particular, Israel rejects the claim that the settlements violate the convention, which forbids the transfer of civilians into occupied territory.

The Palestinians and their international supporters oppose Israel's position, and have sponsored numerous UN resolutions stating that the treaty does apply to the territories, and is binding on Israel. The International Court of Justice accepted this position in its advisory opinion on the fence.

The Justice Ministry team, headed by Deputy Attorney General Shavit Mattias, suggested that the government change its approach to the convention, to UN rapporteurs in the territories, and to the International Court. It argued that Israeli officials should refrain from attacking the court, and that the fence's route must demonstrate "sensitivity" to the court's ruling.

It also said that in light of the court's ruling, Israel should reconsider the way in which the army and other Israeli agencies operate in the territories. The ruling could serve as a basis for anti-Israel activity in international forums, and could even lead to sanctions, it warned.

The team recommended building the fence as close as possible to the Green Line, taking into account security needs and the need to minimize harm to Palestinians. Where settlements abut the Green Line, it said, the fence should lie as close as possible to the outermost houses of these settlements. However, the Justice Ministry legal team declined to make recommendations about the fence's route in Jerusalem.

It also recommended adjusting the "permit regime" instituted for Palestinians living near the fence, in accordance with the principles of international humanitarian law.

The defense establishment is scheduled to present the cabinet in early September with the revised route of the fence between Elkana and Jerusalem. The new route was necessitated by a High Court of Justice ruling on June 30 that disallowed a section of the fence northwest of Jerusalem due to the harm it caused local residents.

The International Court of Justice ruling on July 9 said the fence cannot be built in "occupied Palestinian territory," meaning anywhere over the Green Line, and that Israel must dismantle existing sections and compensate the Palestinians. It also ruled that the occupation and the settlements violate international law.

The UN General Assembly adopted this opinion on July 20, and is expected to discuss the issue again in September, when the Palestinians are likely to request sanctions against Israel. Should the Americans, as expected, veto this idea in the Security Council, the Palestinians will ask the General Assembly to recommend that member states impose sanctions.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/468472.html

tandem
08-23-2004, 10:30 PM
this is why terrorism continues to be a problem in israel. it's not only because of the palestinians who carry out terror attacks, but also because of the stupidity of the israeli left who are effectively giving those palestinians a window of opportunity to strike. all these tactics championed by the left that delay the construction of the fence, that support the evacuation of communities in the west bank, and putting the lives of palestinians ahead of israelis are the root cause of terrorism in israel.

Oh Jerusalem
08-24-2004, 12:13 AM
Stupid Jews. :o

Ophra
08-24-2004, 12:29 AM
this is why terrorism continues to be a problem in israel. it's not only because of the palestinians who carry out terror attacks, but also because of the stupidity of the israeli left who are effectively giving those palestinians a window of opportunity to strike. all these tactics championed by the left that delay the construction of the fence, that support the evacuation of communities in the west bank, and putting the lives of palestinians ahead of israelis are the root cause of terrorism in israel.

Attorney General Menachem Mazuz and the Justice Ministry are not "the israeli left" !!!

Oh Jerusalem
08-24-2004, 01:01 AM
Attorney General Menachem Mazuz and the Justice Ministry are not "the israeli left" !!!
Just watch:

But there is a resident Ahitofel (or possibly David's other resident adviser, Hushai Ha-Archi) at the Justice Ministry.He is called Meni Mazuz and he provided that chilling piece of advice which almost involved me in a traffic accident: If there is no legal way to prevent a Jew from using his property, thus he proposed, let's steal the property from the person by the brute force of the law, and with one stroke of the legal sword we will simply expropriate Moskowitz's ownership over his property and houses! This law, "The Law of Purchase for Public Benefit" which serves law abiding countries for road construction and other public projects, is now to be employed to expropriate Jewish land for political purposes. The same Mazuz is not embarrassed to state his opinion brazenly "we should not hide behind considerations of planning and construction", but should explicitly reveal the official and genuine motive: "Moskowitz will not dictate the government's political agenda!"
- BEILIN AND THE THREE DICTATORSHIPS (http://www.freeman.org/m_online/mar00/haetzni2.htm), by Elyakim Haetzni


More (how quickly this was forgotten):

Two weeks ago, the refusenik movement in Israel received an unexpected expression of support from Attorney General Menachem Mazuz, who openly spoke of his understanding and sympathy for conscientious objectors of all sorts. It provided an ideological shot of encouragement to refuseniks and their supporters. The parents of the five refuseniks now serving jail terms in civilian prisons for their refusal to serve in the Israel Defense Forces will use Mazuz's statement in an upcoming publicity campaign prior to a June 15 hearing to discuss lightening the prison sentence. The attorney general's statement is quoted in a flyer appearing under the headline "Free the boys."
- Help us free our boys (http://www.israelblog.org/Articles/Help_us_free_our_boys.html)



And finally, the last nail in the coffin:

Mazuz - Yossi Beilin's Poodle (http://stevenplaut.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_stevenplaut_archive.html#10878525260367 6160)

1. For those who insist I am being too cynical when I say that Sharon
has a deal with the Leftist Ascendancy to free him and his son from
prosecution in exchange for his implementing the political agenda of the
Left, consider the following facts.

Sharon was just "freed" by the Attorney General he himself appointed. But
who is this Attorney General? He is not only a leftist, he is Yossi
Beilin's personal poodle:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/440470.html

Hannah Kim Haaretz: Mazuz "Beilin's man"
.
"The close ties between (Yossi) Beilin and (Attorney General Menachem)
Mazuz began when Beilin was serving as justice minister between 1999 and
2001. Relations between the two were so close, that Beilin tried at the
time to accelerate then attorney general Elyakim Rubinstein's elevation to
the Supreme Court, in order to appoint Mazuz attorney general. "That's
correct," confirms Beilin. "Unlike (Justice Minister Yosef) Tommy Lapid,
for whom Meni Mazuz was only a secondary candidate for the position, for me
Meni was the candidate."

Beilin had help from Mazuz in, among other things, the debate on the
question of torturing suspects by the Shin Bet security service. In
effect, Mazuz, along with his aide Yehoshua Schoffman, was considered
"Beilin's man" at the Justice Ministry.

"As justice minister I had many arguments with some of the prosecutors,
who evinced very conservative positions in the matter of Shin Bet torture
of suspects. Meni, however, agreed with my opinion against the system of
`shaking' and tortures. It is a blessing for the state that a person like
him is the attorney general," says Beilin."


The whole justice ministry is overrun with them.

Ophra
08-24-2004, 01:12 AM
The whole justice ministry is overrun with them.

Once again your opinion .... and your obsession with the left... nothing to back your statement up.

Oh Jerusalem
08-24-2004, 01:20 AM
Once again your opinion .... and your obsession with the left... nothing to back your statement up.
I just ripped your previous statement apart.

I'm not going to start Googling for Arbel (though you can browse through the Enda Arbel Show (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=4817), Rubenstein (both of them), Belin himself (who was Justice Minister), Israel's looney left Supreme court, headed by elitist Aharon Barak, who have an iron dictatorial grip on who gets to join their little club and impose their moral will on the rest of us.

I'll let someone else here do some of the work. I've done my share.

Oh Jerusalem
08-24-2004, 01:34 AM
Once again your opinion .... and your obsession with the left... nothing to back your statement up.
Just a small example already posted here:

Column One: Supreme Injustice, by Caroline Glick (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=6138).

Oh Jerusalem
08-24-2004, 01:38 AM
Once again your opinion .... and your obsession with the left... nothing to back your statement up.
It's time to put the show on the other foot.

You stated that Attorney General Menachem Mazuz and the Justice Ministry are not "the israeli left".

Please dispute my articles on Mazuz above.

Please dispute the leftist consistancy of Edna Arbel throughout her years in the prosecutor's office.

Nothing to back up your statement.

Obsession with the left? You bet! They're killing us!