Things you have to believe to be a Republican today:

[Mediocrates]

Things you have to believe to be a Republican today:

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy.

Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you need our prayers for your recovery.

You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

[KSO]

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I'd vote Democrat, too.

[Gabriel]

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Obviously your not familiar with the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" The Iran/Iraq war was a win/win situation for the US, why wouldn't we support it?

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

Hmm, could it have to do with Cuba's LONG history of terrorism?? Also it's foreign policy 101 that you don't treat every country the same. Say Iraq/Iran/N. Korea with regards to WMD's.

http://cuban-exile.com/menu1/%21terror.html

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Way to distort the issues. Perhaps he values the life of a unborn child over a woman's selfish desire to not use birth control or put the child up for adoption.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

Woot, unsubstationated rhetoric that really isn't worth commenting on.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

If you for a minute think combat pay is unsubstantial or vet bene's are underfunded you must never have served or know anyone that has.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

Wow, is that a quote? Or maybe just taking an issue and then putting a false reason for the issues conception.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy.

You realize this "health care" we are providing isn't even remotely as good as even the crappiest HMO's in the US?

Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

When did he say this? And I guess cradle to grave entitlements and income redistribution isn't socialism now?

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Does he believe private sector with actual competion is more accountable then a government monopoly, yes, and so do I.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creations should be taught in schools.

Nice distortion, he stated Global warming needs more studying, which it does if you've ever read any scientific journals. And I love how you forget to mention he wanted creations taught in CONJUNCTION with evolution. What a crime.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Linkage on the first part. Linkage where he was lying and not misinformed. Even the 9/11 commission never said he lied, he was given bad intelligence and accessments.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

So you think child porn should be legal and freely distributed? The only reason the gay marriage amendment is even being considered is the renegade and overturned like mad 9th circuit.

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

Linkage of George Bush pushing for inquires into Hilary's business dealings.

You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

That's called the AG's job description. Enforcing laws, is he not suppose to do that now?

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

Any linkage, or more baseless ???

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

Friends don't let other friends spew forth garbage masquerading as fact.

[Mediocrates]

Like I said, these are the things you have to believe. I didn't say you have no right to believe them. No one's stopping you for example.

[Isiah 2:4]

Obviously your not familiar with the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" The Iran/Iraq war was a win/win situation for the US, why wouldn't we support it?.

Because Millions of people died in a pointless war? It was the bloodiest war in Middle eastern history.



Hmm, could it have to do with Cuba's LONG history of terrorism?? Also it's foreign policy 101 that you don't treat every country the same. Say Iraq/Iran/N. Korea with regards to WMD's.


How many countries has the US bombed rightly or wrongly since 1945? For what ends? Not always noble ones thats for sure;

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02
Iraq 2003-2004


I don't enough about the other US domestic issues contained here to really comment in an eductaed way. however i will say this. Banning gay marriage and the practice of abortion is an infringement on civil liberty. Neither issue affects anyone else other than those involved. What a person does in private is their choice. If people want Creationism taught in school, they should send their kids to an outright Christian insitution, RC or Protestant.

[Gabriel]

Because Millions of people died in a pointless war? It was the bloodiest war in Middle eastern history.

Didn't you read what I said. Millions of our enemies dying and wasting resources killing each other, how was this not a win-win for the US?

How many countries has the US bombed rightly or wrongly since 1945? For what ends? Not always noble ones that’s for sure;

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02
Iraq 2003-2004


I don't enough about the other US domestic issues contained here to really comment in an educated way.

What's the point of bringing these up? You think since there are several over the last century some might be unjustified? Unless your going to argue specific cases I"m not commenting on this laundry list of US bombing.

however I will say this. Banning gay marriage and the practice of abortion is an infringement on civil liberty. Neither issue affects anyone else other than those involved. What a person does in private is their choice.

In your opinion it's a civil liberty. And what say you about the baby's civil liberty and his inalienable right to LIFE Liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

If people want Creationism taught in school, they should send their kids to an outright Christian institution, RC or Protestant.

Once again in your opinion. I think it's kinda weird schools are not even to mention a concept around 90% of the countries citizens religious beliefs expound.

[KettleWhistle]

I usually vote Republican because IMO they are the lesser evil, and because their aren't anti-Israel like the Democrats. What Mediocrates posted is, of course, simplistic propaganda that shows only one side of the issues. More importantly, it stereotypes Republicans, ingnoring the fact that there are many who do not want to regulate social issues like the Christian reconstructionists, and who do want to have a small, efficient, and accountable government. For my part I make sure to vote in primaries in order to support the latter type of the Republican politician.

In your opinion it's a civil liberty. And what say you about the baby's civil liberty and his inalienable right to LIFE Liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
A fetus is not a baby, and abortion is just a method of birth control. It is not the preffered method only because it is more expensive and painful. And it's really simple to deal with it too: if you don't like it, don't do it. (And leave the others to make their own decisions.)

Originally Posted by Isiah 2:4
If people want Creationism taught in school, they should send their kids to an outright Christian institution, RC or Protestant.

Once again in your opinion. I think it's kinda weird schools are not even to mention a concept around 90% of the countries citizens religious beliefs expound.So according to you, if the majority of people believes that 2+2=5, schools should teach that also, right? If you don't mind, what are your ideas regarding this whole round-Earth theory?

[philingraham]

Because Millions of people died in a pointless war? It was the bloodiest war in Middle eastern history.




How many countries has the US bombed rightly or wrongly since 1945? For what ends? Not always noble ones thats for sure;

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02
Iraq 2003-2004


I don't enough about the other US domestic issues contained here to really comment in an eductaed way. however i will say this. Banning gay marriage and the practice of abortion is an infringement on civil liberty. Neither issue affects anyone else other than those involved. What a person does in private is their choice. If people want Creationism taught in school, they should send their kids to an outright Christian insitution, RC or Protestant.

Ishiah's list of some 35 nations we have bombed since 1945 is nothing to snort at. To think that we are somehow justified in bombing whomever we want to, whenever we want to, regardless of the provocation, means that we are becoming more psychopathic all the time.

Gabriel, you gotta get a grip!! People like you are RUNNING the country right now. We don't need anymore Peanut Gallery exhortations to egg 'em on !

[KettleWhistle]

Ishiah's list of some 35 nations we have bombed since 1945 is nothing to snort at. To think that we are somehow justified in bombing whomever we want to, whenever we want to, regardless of the provocation, means that we are becoming more psychopathic all the time.

Gabriel, you gotta get a grip!! People like you are RUNNING the country right now. We don't need anymore Peanut Gallery exhortations to egg 'em on !
We are certainly NOT justified in bombing anyone we want, but we were in a number of cases listed by Isaiah.

[Gabriel]

Ishiah's list of some 35 nations we have bombed since 1945 is nothing to snort at. To think that we are somehow justified in bombing whomever we want to, whenever we want to, regardless of the provocation, means that we are becoming more psychopathic all the time.

Gabriel, you gotta get a grip!! People like you are RUNNING the country right now. We don't need anymore Peanut Gallery exhortations to egg 'em on !


Yeah...yet another person who comments on all the bombing not the individual merits and pro/cons of that situation. Stop trying to lump things together that have NOTHING to do with eachother.

Trust me if people like me were running the country things would be a lot different, so I have a feeling they are not....

[Gabriel]

A fetus is not a baby, and abortion is just a method of birth control. It is not the preffered method only because it is more expensive and painful. And it's really simple to deal with it too: if you don't like it, don't do it. (And leave the others to make their own decisions.)

Okay this is a completely seperate debate and if you care to countinue I think it should have it's own seperate thread. (not trying to cop out :p )


So according to you, if the majority of people believes that 2+2=5, schools should teach that also, right? If you don't mind, what are your ideas regarding this whole round-Earth theory?

Okay your using the same logic Med was using, I am saying MANY opinions should be taught, I'm not seeing what the problem here is? Look at history and your see how science is not always right and is all based on THEORIES (like uniformatariansm). If you never want contrary opinions you might as well live in Arabic Theocracies where teaching anything contrary to the Koran is a crime.

[KettleWhistle]

Okay this is a completely seperate debate and if you care to countinue I think it should have it's own seperate thread. (not trying to cop out :p )We can if you want to; I was just replying to your post.

Okay your using the same logic Med was using, I am saying MANY opinions should be taught, I'm not seeing what the problem here is? Look at history and your see how science is not always right and is all based on THEORIES (like uniformatariansm). If you never want contrary opinions you might as well live in Arabic Theocracies where teaching anything contrary to the Koran is a crime.Theories are not opinions. They are based on observation, evidence, and tests. Your comparison to Muslim theocracies really doen't fit here, since theories are constantly tested and questioned. And if we are to teach opinions, whos opinions should we teach? Would a representative of the Flat Earth Society (yes, it does exist :eek: ) do?

[Gabriel]

Theories are not opinions. They are based on observation, evidence, and tests. Your comparison to Muslim theocracies really doen't fit here, since theories are constantly tested and questioned. And if we are to teach opinions, whos opinions should we teach? Would a representative of the Flat Earth Society (yes, it does exist :eek: ) do?

I see where you are going with this, it could easily turn into a slippery slope situation. I was mearly saying more then one Theory being taught I think will be useful, as differences cause debate and discussion, and in school heaven forbid....THOUGHT. So current science should be taught, but despite all it's testing the very foundation of it is based on Therories that are unprovable, you have to take them as a given or pretty much must all scientific knowledge and formulas go out the window. So things should be taught in that context.

[Eugeenie]

I think I've received this one four or five times in various e-mails. There is a similar one, I do believe perhaps crafted in response to this one, with the shoe on the other foot.

I think they are both pretty funny, myself, but I'm something of a Marxist, so I might be a little more testy should somebody try to come up with one for that. Might be difficult, though, considering the faultless logic and forceful presentation of Marx's own arguments. He was without peer, and his concise, but wickedly eloquent statement on the subject ring as true today as those many years ago.

So in the words of the great one, himself, "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member".

[Emunah]

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

All of the above could be true, but I think we should have gone to war with Iraq after Halabja and I don't care whether the D's or the R's think it was justified or too risky because it was simply the right response.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

This is very stupid too. China and Vietnam have their own problems but we would likely never even hear about them. The best way to get rid of Castro is to trade with Cuba, because obviously he has survived 6 presidents now? Something like that...so what we are doing is not working, except against the people who can't do anything about the government anyway. The latest rule that prevents people from visiting their families in Cuba more than once every couple of years is clearly a lack of appreciation for family values.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

True, but one thing does not really relate to the other, it's just strung together. I don't think Republicans are happy about the multi-nats either, and it has been both Parties that allowed the multi-nats to do whatever they liked so it's not a Republican thing.

When I see prosperous, white couples, going down to the abortion clinic and asking to adopt black babies or babies with birth defects that you don't find out exist before the 5th or 6th months (like babies with no brain) then I will take Republicans serious about their desire to put an end to abortion. Prevention is great, and yet too many Republicans don't realize that the birth control methods have failure rates of up to 8% for generic birth control pills (all most can afford, and insurance companies only pay for generics if they pay for b/c pills at all. What's more ironic is they will pay for viagra). So even if the couple acted responsibly, there will be unwanted pregnancies and too many white couples want white babies...hypocricy abounds.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

This is factual, there are 25,000 military familes living on food stamps. It has become such a matter of course, that the information is given to the soldiers shipping out. There are another large portion of military families at Ft. Stewart GA that will not (do to pride or something) accept money from the government, so "Feed The Children" has set up shop just off base and the numbers lining up are amazing.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

If we can't get to the point after all of these years when we realize that kids are going to have sex no matter what then we are denying human nature. In many cultures they marry during their teenage years precisely because it is GOING to happen. I'm not recommending that, but condoms can mean the difference between life and death, so we need to start dealing with reality. I have a 14 year old son, he has a condom in his room. I hope he doesn't have sex, but I don't think I want to have him sending child support to a women and a kid for the next 18 years either.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy.

Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

We invaded Iraq so we had to restore THEIR system, and that included health care. We NEED a system that is uniquely American and takes advantage of our free enterprise system, while ensuring everyone's covered. We can't place this much of an albatross around the necks of small business and remain competetive as a nation.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

Global warming is debated, but until we can figure it out, we need to try to prevent aggrevating it, in case it's us. Tobacco's link to cancer is not disputed by Republicans or Democrats and when it was debated it did not matter who was an R or D, it mattered whether you were from a tabacco producing district.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Would that we could safely go back to an era when travelgate was a real scandal...oh for the boring times when all we had to discuss was an semi-affair (sigh)...I long for those boring days :rolleyes:

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

As opposed to banning guns? Which is a Democratic tendency. Who is censoring the internet? There is all kinds of really offensive stuff out there...ban the Hamas sites and then we will talk about whether Noam Choamsky can be deported :p No, seriously, the internet probably can't really be censored, not to worry too much. Gay marriages. Well, whoever said the 9th curcuit is dead wrong. The case was in Massechusetts and they were not "activist" judges they were going strictly and totally by the Massechusetts constitution. In other words, there was nothing in that document that could justify the ban. They would have been activist judges if they had invented or stretched the constitution in order to justfiy their decsion, but they simply did find anything. For more info read the decision:
http://www.masslaw.com/signup/gtwFulltext.cfm?page=ma/opin/sup/1002204.htm

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

Neither are our business if it hasn't occured in the past 10-15 years. Cattle trades? Not even close to important, but the good ol days were slow news days that had to be filled with something...I'm wistful for them.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you need our prayers for your recovery.

YEP, this one really gets me! Hypocracy sticks! Send him to prison with Martha and cut their sentences in half due to the pain in the neck they would be towards one another:)

You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

Good point, isn't this the guy that had the nude statues of justice covered with some sort of sarongs? This guy who was beaten by a dead guy? I really dislike that man, he is too far out there for me. I do like most of the Patriot Act though, not all, but most.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

None of the above is relavent to anyone, it's all a damn distraction to keep from talking about the real state of things...which is not too good to be quite frank. The buck really does stop at Bush's desk...911 happened on his watch, and he's the CEO, and I can't see a reason to renew his contract given the state of the nation, jobs, health care, ineffective war, no homeland security imporvments, and his statement "some call you the elites, I call you my base" was all I needed to hear to be honest.

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

Friends don't let friends buy into anyone's dogma...a true friend helps you see through the BS and weighs the ideas of both sides of the argument, otherwise you simply develop an authoritarian Left or authoritarian Right notion of good and bad. That will be the downfall of the system, because people start marching in lockstep and only listen to people who already agree wtih them. This creates radicalization and pretty soon both Parties are stark raving lunatics.

[KettleWhistle]

I see where you are going with this, it could easily turn into a slippery slope situation. I was mearly saying more then one Theory being taught I think will be useful, as differences cause debate and discussion, and in school heaven forbid....THOUGHT. So current science should be taught, but despite all it's testing the very foundation of it is based on Therories that are unprovable, you have to take them as a given or pretty much must all scientific knowledge and formulas go out the window. So things should be taught in that context.
I wasn't getting to slippery slope, although it is indeed a problem as well. I was trying to point out that just because someone believes something to be true (e.g. the Earth is flat) doesn't make it so.

Science is not based on unprovable theories. It is based on observable and testable phenomena, a.k.a. evidence. For example, the Earth being round is not a theory, but a proved fact. So if you don't want to take this knowledge as given, you can repeat the tests that lead to the conclusions derived from the results yourself to confirm it for yourself.

Additionally, science, when taught properly, is taught in context, the scientific context that is.

[Gabriel]

Science is not based on unprovable theories.

I said it's foundation was though. Uniformitarianism is not just exclusive to geology but all sciences.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=uniformitarianism

[KettleWhistle]

I said it's foundation was though. Uniformitarianism is not just exclusive to geology but all sciences.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=uniformitarianism
Uniformiatarianism is not the basis or any science. Science is based on evidence, not on a theory that things always worked the way they do now.

[Gabriel]

Uniformiatarianism is not the basis or any science. Science is based on evidence, not on a theory that things always worked the way they do now.

I respectfully disagree. Uniformiatarianism is PERAMOUNT in science. With out it, all scientific dating, decay, forumlas are suspect. One would be in the dark if last year's, or last century's, or last milenna's weather patterns were the same, if gravity's effects were the same, if radioactive carbon decay was the same, ect.

It's a simple concept but has EPIC effects w/in science.

[KettleWhistle]

I respectfully disagree. Uniformiatarianism is PERAMOUNT in science. With out it, all scientific dating, decay, forumlas are suspect. One would be in the dark if last year's, or last century's, or last milenna's weather patterns were the same, if gravity's effects were the same, if radioactive carbon decay was the same, ect.

It's a simple concept but has EPIC effects w/in science.
Umm, no, not really... science does not accept anything as a final model. All the things you mentioned above can be addressed by proper research. If gravity's effects, whatever those might be, would've been different, it would've left evidence of such. And radioactive decay is constant. It was proved by an number of methods in several scientific disciplines. If it wasn't true than we would've had major discrepancies between chemistry and physics. Such doesn't exist. Moreover, we know that the above are true because if it was not, space flight wouldn't has been possible, we wouldn't have been able to control nuclear reactions, and most other technological inventions that were designed according to the laws of physics and chemistry would not have been posible.

Also, what about the scientist who study how things change?

[Gabriel]

Umm, no, not really... science does not accept anything as a final model. All the things you mentioned above can be addressed by proper research. If gravity's effects, whatever those might be, would've been different, it would've left evidence of such. And radioactive decay is constant. It was proved by an number of methods in several scientific disciplines. If it wasn't true than we would've had major discrepancies between chemistry and physics. Such doesn't exist. Moreover, we know that the above are true because if it was not, space flight wouldn't has been possible, we wouldn't have been able to control nuclear reactions, and most other technological inventions that were designed according to the laws of physics and chemistry would not have been posible.

Also, what about the scientist who study how things change?

I really don't know what else to say on this matter. This isn't some crazy theory of mine, this is simple scientific fact. If you've taken any advanced science courses, I'm realy baffled how you didn't encounter this.

For you to claim uniformatarianism is not part of the foundation to science, is just flat out false. Science is RIDDLED with theories, it's not so cut and dry as you like to make it. And uniformatarianism is THEORY, unprovable at that, not fact as you'd like to imply.

[KettleWhistle]

I really don't know what else to say on this matter. This isn't some crazy theory of mine, this is simple scientific fact. If you've taken any advanced science courses, I'm realy baffled how you didn't encounter this.

For you to claim uniformatarianism is not part of the foundation to science, is just flat out false. Science is RIDDLED with theories, it's not so cut and dry as you like to make it. And uniformatarianism is THEORY, unprovable at that, not fact as you'd like to imply.
Yes, you are right, uniformatarianism is not a part of the foundation of science. The foundations of science are observation, evidence, testing, and experimentation. Being a scientist I just happened to know that.

I really hope you're pulling our leg on this one. If not, I suggest that you check out http://www.talkorigins.org (http://www.talkorigins.org/). But for the entertainment value, I'll leave all the readers with this little bit, that I think you'll be able to relate to:

From: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html

International Flat Earth Research Society
known as
FLAT EARTH SOCIETY Charles K. Johnson, President
Marjory Waugh Johnson, Sec.
Telephone: (805) 727-1635
PO Box 2533, Lancaster, CA 93539


Aim: To carefully observe, think freely rediscove forgotten fact and oppose theoretical dogmatic assumptions. To help establish the United States...of the the world on this flat earth. Replace the science religion...with SANITY

The International Flat Earth Society is the oldest continuous Society existing on the world today. It began with the Creation of the Creation. First the water...the face of the deep...without form or limits...just Water. Then the Land sitting in and on the Water, the Water then as now being flat and level, as is the very Nature of Water. There are, of course, mountains and valleys on the Land but since most of the World is Water, we say, "The World is Flat." Historical accounts and spoken history tell us the Land part may have been square, all in one mass at one time, then as now, the magnetic north being the Center. Vast cataclysmic events and shaking no doubt broke the land apart, divided the Land to be our present continents or islands as they exist today. One thing we know for sure about this world...the known inhabited world is Flat, Level, a Plain World.

We maintain that what is called 'Science' today and 'scientists' consist of the same old gang of witch doctors, sorcerers, tellers of tales, the 'Priest-Entertainers' for the common people. 'Science' consists of a weird, way-out occult concoction of jibberish theory-theology...unrelated to the real world of facts, technology and inventions, tall buildings and fast cars, airplanes and other Real and Good things in life; technology is not in any way related to the web of idiotic scientific theory. ALL inventors have been anti-science. The Wright brothers said: "Science theory held us up for years. When we threw out all science, started from experiment and experience, then we invented the airplane." By the way, airplanes all fly level on this Plane earth.

Our Society of Zetetics have existed for at least 6,000 years, the extent of recorded history. Extensive writing from 1492 b.c. We have been and are the Few, the Elite, the Elect, who use Logic Reason are Rational. Summed up, we are Sane and/ or have Common Sense as contrasted to the "herd" who is unthinking and uncaring. We have absorbed the Universal Zetetic Society of America and Great Britian, ZION U.S.A., the work of Alexander Dowie 1888, Wilber Glen Voliva 1942, Samuel Shenton, Lillian J. Shenton of England 1971. Zetetic: from Zeto, to seek and search out; Prove, as contrasted to theoretic which means to guess, to hope, to suppose, but NOT to 'prove'. Science 'proves' earth a 'ball' by 'scripture' words. We PROVE earth Flat by experiment, demonstrated and demonstrable. Earth Flat is a Fact, not a 'theory'!

Our aim is not to 'disturb the herd' or wreck the Government, but rather to be an aid to the Elite Human Being in coming to KNOW earth flat...to then FREE his or her mind from such blind unreasoning 'theory-superstition' and so go on "to carefully observe...think freely...rediscover forgotten facts and oppose theoretical dogmatic assumptions." As Sir Fields, owner of newspapers in England, has said about us, "They are the Last pocket of individual Thinkers in English speaking world."

I sometimes call myself the Last Iconclast. Science is a false religion, the opium of the masses. I myself count it as a begining of Sanity to confess 'the creation proves there was a Creator' so a God or Creator...Exists. From a life-time of study, of seeking out a proving things, from the study of 6,000 years of recorded history, from observation, from experience, from Common Sense Observation, have concluded the 10 Commandments are in fact good Laws of Living and Behavior for oneself and all in contact with you...truley 'Laws of Physics for Living.' That is my opinion. The Fact the Earth is Flat is not my opinion, it is a Proved Fact. Also demonstrated Sun and Moon are about 3,000 miles away are both 32 miles across. The Planets are 'tiny.' Sun and Moon do Move, earth does NOT move, whirl, spin or gyrate. Australians do NOT hang by their feet under the world...this is a FACT, not a theory! Also a Fact the Spinning, Whirling, Gyrating Ball World Planet, Globe Idea is Entirely 100% now and at all times in the Past, a RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE...a Blind Dogmatic Article of Faith in the Religion for the Blind unreasoning beast of prey. No earthly reason for a Sane, Upright Member of the Elite Elect Humans to subscribe to it. Also a Fact, today the Elite of Earth ALL live on the Flat World. Only the illogical, unreasoning "herd"...prefers the way-out occult weird theology of the old Greek superstitution earth a spinning ball! Both Copernecious and Newton, the inventors of the "modern" superstitions (400 year OLD modern) have said: "It is not possible for a Sane reasonable person to ever really believe these Theories." Thus sayeth Newton-Copernecious. What sayeth THOU?

Associate Membership contribution of $10.00 a year, includes four (4) issue of FLAT EARTH NEWS and Membership Card. An 8 x 12 Color Certificate of Membership is $5.00 extra. Sustaining Member $25.00 a year; Patron $100.00 and up. One year of the quarterly (4 issues) FLAT EARTH NEWS and Membership Card and Certificate. $5.00 single copy. Each issue contains further proofs of the fact - earth IS flat. People of goodwill who seek the truth also known as the Facts are Welcome! We do not want members who are stupid, mindless, brute beasts with two feet whose only aim is to scoff or in some way 'harm' our work -- Facts, Logic, Reason, Sanity also known as commonsense, is our aim.

In 30AD JC said... seek and find the Truth and it will set you free. Free from the Pathological Liars...the great pretenders who mislead all flesh and blood.

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[Emunah]

Why is the address for these people almost always in California!!?? I actually love the place, and I guess being "different" is just a way of life there, but how on earth is it so "uniform"?

I'm not a scientist, but I arrived at my own absolute belief in G-d through SCIENCE! Most people just believe because they were raised to believe, but for me it was the high powered microscope. I think they were diatomes or something like that. The more I looked under the microscope the more I saw G-d, and the more I read choas theory, spontaneous order books and even the Wolfram tome, the more I am convinced that it was not "creationism" in the way some might think, but there was definately a "set-up" or a "prime mover" to begin all of this. I would say it is a simple program designed to create both choas and order depending on the stage you're looking at the process.

But what does that have to do with the original post, because frankly, the more I read both strictly Democratic blogs or strictly Republican blogs the more I'm convinced that each side has to believe A LOT OF MYTHOLOGY TO BELONG TO EITHER PARTY!!! :D :p

[Eugeenie]

Why is the address for these people almost always in California!!?? I actually love the place, and I guess being "different" is just a way of life there, but how on earth is it so "uniform"?

Well, having grown up in California, I don't think it is all that homogenous, since you could uproot much of the central valley, stick it in Oklahoma somewhere, and people might not notice the difference. Think Cowboy hats, country and western music and rifle racks in 3/4 ton pickups.

Still, California has long attracted those who found the culture in which they were living a bit too staid and restrictive, and with a long history of nonconformists uprooting from the east to move to the golden state, I think there may be some cultural differences because of that.

I'm not a scientist, but I arrived at my own absolute belief in G-d through SCIENCE! Most people just believe because they were raised to believe, but for me it was the high powered microscope. I think they were diatomes or something like that. The more I looked under the microscope the more I saw G-d, and the more I read choas theory, spontaneous order books and even the Wolfram tome, the more I am convinced that it was not "creationism" in the way some might think, but there was definately a "set-up" or a "prime mover" to begin all of this. I would say it is a simple program designed to create both choas and order depending on the stage you're looking at the process.

Superstring theory does it for me. Not that I understand much of it, mind you, but I imagine Schrodingers cat as wearing a sly smirk of the Cheshire variety as if to say "I'm going to keep *some* of my secrets to Myself.

But what does that have to do with the original post, because frankly, the more I read both strictly Democratic blogs or strictly Republican blogs the more I'm convinced that each side has to believe A LOT OF MYTHOLOGY TO BELONG TO EITHER PARTY!!! :D :p[/QUOTE]

My current working theory based upon nothing other than observation is that people have varying predispositions towards creating their world view through buying into some sort of group identity and then forming their specific opinions backwards from there. This, as opposed to forming consistant values and then comparing these values against the rhetorec of a group. For those with a strong expression of this predisposition, the comfort provided by the sense of conformity is such that to examine any paradoxes in their beliefs would only lead to an unsettling degree of cognitive dissonance. I think of it as being something along the lines of having a dogma gene or something and think it is hardwired into us. I certainly do see inconsistancies in expressed values from both the left and the right from people who strike me as dogmatic party liners.

Recent studies by Paul Goren at Arizona state have found that voters typically formed their party affiliations before forming specific political values, so perhaps I'm not just shooting from the hip. Interestingly, other studies conducted at U.C.L.A studied the neural activity of republicans and democrats and found disparities in amygdala activity between the two. Could this indicate another predisposition towards aligning with either a conservative or liberal viewpoint?

Obviously, there is a whole lot more to political/psychological theory than this, but if instead of thinking of just a right/left sort of split and adding a degree of dogmatism, that dogmatism often acting as an amplifyer, I might consider people as dogmatic right, nondogmatic right, dogmatic left, and non dogmatic left. When I do this, I find it is the dogmatism rather than the expressed opinions that I often react to negatively, and it is the dogmatic people who most often strike me as hypocrites.


The lefty who supports women's rights in the United States, but provides some specious argument that gives tacit support for honor killings in Arab lands is every bit as hypocritical as the most extreme righty who might be hypocritical in some other fashion.

[minusthejihad]

But what does that have to do with the original post, because frankly, the more I read both strictly Democratic blogs or strictly Republican blogs the more I'm convinced that each side has to believe A LOT OF MYTHOLOGY TO BELONG TO EITHER PARTY!!! :D :p

Very true!