Palestinian terrorists vs. US and EU [Archive]

NewsGuy

05-20-2002, 06:45 PM

From ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warning020520.html):

May 20 â€” FBI Director Robert Mueller today warned that suicide bomb attacks in the United States are "inevitable," and sources told ABCNEWS al Qaeda and other terror groups have met to discuss joining forces against America and the West.

Leaders of al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden's terror network, met in a summitt with leaders of two Middle Eastern militant groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as a number of other groups linked to terrorism for the first time in late March, U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials told ABCNEWS.

Hamas has claimed responsibility for many of the suicide bomb attacks against Israel. Lebanon-based Hezbollah led a guerrilla war against Israel's occupation of territory in southern Lebanon, and is blamed for the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen.

At the Lebanon meeting, the three groups discussed tactics and the possibility of an unprecedented level of joint activity, U.S. officials said, including a possible new round of attacks against America, Great Britain, and other targets...

U.S. officials have also warned that other Islamic extremist groups such as Hezbollah and Egypt's Islamic Jihad could be planning attack in the United States.

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So now it's the same cast of Arab terrorists that has been operating against Israel for the past few decades that is targeting the U.S. and Europe.

I guess that the EU's excluding of Hizbullah and their general appeasement of the Arabs isn't really enough to save their hides.

What do you think?

L@mplighterM

05-20-2002, 07:15 PM

I think that everyone knows that the only sure way to prevent terrorist attacks committed by Islamic Fundamentalists is to exterminate them or alternately kill every Muslim. Clearly that is not acceptable and would be a grave violation against humanity.

I?m in favor of closing the borders throughout all western countries to all Muslims.

ACCESS DENIED.

At that point there should be revisions made to the Koran. Passages that call for the death of infidels and/or Jews should be removed. If anyone is shown to support their brethren it should result in immediate expulsion to the country of origin even if its 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc generation.

As far as Israel goes NATO along with the IDF should clean up the WB and GS. Instead of considering building a wall a buffer zone that is a mile or two wide should separate Israel from those areas. That area should become no mans land.

It?s tough if the Arabs won?t like it but after all individuals that support the slaughter of innocent civilians deserve what they get. I believe that there?s widespread support for terrorism throughout Islam. Sure some innocent civilians would end up being relocated but innocent Jews are being subjected to Islamic terrorism every day.

Oh well nice dream.

Morpheus

05-21-2002, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by L@mplighterM

I?m in favor of closing the borders throughout all western countries to all Muslims.

ACCESS DENIED.

Please :rolleyes:

I have a better idea. We should put all Muslims in refugee camps just outside our borders (maybe in Poland or so). Than, occasionally, we should bomb these camps or drive over them with Leopard tanks. A good way to drill our military forces, and it's cheap! :rolleyes:

Imagine what a reaction it would cause on this board if I'd say "borders are closed for Jews." Now think again of what you just said.

Lamp, you talk about democracy, western values. Still, you have no clue about what democracy is: the right to chose your own religion. Do we really have to humiliate and punish these people because they are muslim? How can we distinct a muslim from a non-muslim btw, because he looks arab?

Mediocrates

05-21-2002, 09:35 AM

or we could simply convert them at swordpoint. at least there's a muslim history for that
:mad:

Vic

05-21-2002, 10:05 AM

If I were an "Arab terrorist" I'd recruit nice blond ladies of the senior executive type...

cerulean

05-21-2002, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Vic
If I were an "Arab terrorist" I'd recruit nice blond ladies of the senior executive type...

She wasn't blonde, but recall the Jordanian terrorist of a few years ago who obtained an Irish girlfriend, got her pregnant, loaded her luggage with bombs, and then put her on board a plane to Israel so she could go "visit his family." She was discovered by El Al security doing their job.

Of course Richard Reid, the would-be shoe bomber, was not Arab either.

For whatever reason, there is some movement on the part of women in the west to convert to Islam. Despite the oppression of the religion, they are converting at a rate faster than men. I suppose there are psychological reasons aplenty for such an occurrence.

Mediocrates

05-21-2002, 11:02 AM

And from our "The sky is blue, the earth is round" dept. It was reported today that at some undefined point in the future, some people from another country or this one will blow up something and it may or may not involve explosive belts, remote bombs, car bombs.

One thing that is very very important to note is that when Arabs blow up Jewish children there's a queue on phone for everyone to claim benfit. When planeloads of people crash into American buildings there is no official statement of ownership. There is lots of 'we endorse', 'we celebate', 'death to the great satan' gibberish but no actual official ownership.

I guess it has something to do with one's expectation of reprisal. In Israel's case the response is basically a police action. In the US case the response is fill the skies with planes. So while it's inevitable that we will eventually get a singing mullah-gram courtesy of a bunch of people who used bone tools in living memory I'm sure that if Legion of Doom and mullah Evil ever copped to it our response would be to make their host country a parking lot. Maybe the peaceful peaceloving peoples of peace don't care but perhaps they do.

NewsGuy

05-21-2002, 11:58 AM

Following up on this issue:

From CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/21/gen.war.on.terror/index.html):

FBI warns of possible threat to N.Y. landmarks

Citing an "abundance of caution," the FBI has alerted New York authorities to be ready for possible terrorist attacks against city landmarks including the Statue of Liberty and the Brooklyn Bridge, sources said...

Mueller predicted Monday there would be "another terrorist attack" in the United States.

"We will not be able to stop it. It's something we all live with," he said in comments to the National Association of District Attorneys in suburban Washington.

The FBI director also called it "inevitable" that the United States would one day see pedestrian suicide bombers.

Meanwhile, two leading lawmakers on the Senate Intelligence Committee agreed that it's almost assured the country will face another terrorist attack in the next few years.

"There is a likelihood almost to the point of certainty that over the next, say, three to five years, that there will be another terrorist attack inside the U.S.," said Sen. Bob Graham, the committee chairman.

L@mplighterM

05-21-2002, 03:45 PM

Lamp, you talk about democracy, western values. Still, you have no clue about what democracy is: the right to chose your own religion. Do we really have to humiliate and punish these people because they are muslim? How can we distinct a muslim from a non-muslim btw, because he looks arab?

For starters how about having a referendum (EXCLUDE THE MUSLIM VOTE) to establish whether or whether not Muslims should be granted access to western countries.

If Judaism or Christianity preached and/or advocated the early demise of non-believers Iâ€™d feel the same way. But that isnâ€™t the case.

Sunni and Shiite Muslims can kill murder main each other, as much as they like I couldnâ€™t care less. The Taliban could have stayed in power for all I cared if it wasnâ€™t for the fact that they were sheltering terrorists. They could rape. beat, torture the population in Afghanistan and I couldnâ€™t care less after all thatâ€™s Islam. Who am I with my western standards to judge people within their own sovereign borders? So basically â€œlive and let liveâ€ is my motto.

However, as soon as they threaten my lifestyle and that of my family, friends or what I care about then its time to take action. That threat is crystal clear to me.

I would hit hard without hesitation or mercy and any surrender would be on my terms. My terms are simple â€œdo what you want to each otherâ€ but as soon as you become a threat to me or mine you cease and desist whatever youâ€™re doing immediately.

Itâ€™s difficult to distinguish between a Muslim and a non-Muslim in fact it can be impossible. If by chance a few neo nazis were expulsed in error you wouldnâ€™t see me loose any sleep.

All I want is peace.

L@mplighterM

05-21-2002, 03:55 PM

Bold Posted by NewsGuy:

FBI warns of possible threat to N.Y. landmarks

Citing an "abundance of caution," the FBI has alerted New York authorities to be ready for possible terrorist attacks against city landmarks including the Statue of Liberty and the Brooklyn Bridge, sources said...

Mueller predicted Monday there would be "another terrorist attack" in the United States.

"We will not be able to stop it. It's something we all live with," he said in comments to the National Association of District Attorneys in suburban Washington.

If my memory serves me correctly in one of my earliest posts I stated that post 9/11 the US became like Israel.

The future isnâ€™t looking that great.

One sad part is that most people donâ€™t seem to be able to make the connection between Palestinian terrorists and the Islamic Fanatics/Fundamentalists that destroyed the Pentagon/ World Trade Centers and crashed the jet in Pennsylvania.

Vic

05-21-2002, 04:12 PM

But what are you going to do about your own atheists, agnostics etc., as well as about Arab non-Muslims?

And - I agree with Morpheus to a certain degree. This talk about "Arabs" crosses the threshold to bad taste all too easily and at a certain point starts smacking of nationalism pure and simple. I believe that we all of us have to learn how to watch our language, whatever our feelings may be.

L@mplighterM

05-21-2002, 04:29 PM

Bold posted by Vic:

But what are you going to do about your own atheists, agnostics etc., as well as about Arab non-Muslims?

And - I agree with Morpheus to a certain degree. This talk about "Arabs" crosses the threshold to bad taste all too easily and at a certain point starts smacking of nationalism pure and simple. I believe that we all of us have to learn how to watch our language, whatever our feelings may be.

All I want is peace but not on the Islamic Fanatics/Fundamnetalists terms.

Mediocrates

05-22-2002, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Vic
But what are you going to do about your own atheists, agnostics etc., as well as about Arab non-Muslims?

And - I agree with Morpheus to a certain degree. This talk about "Arabs" crosses the threshold to bad taste all too easily and at a certain point starts smacking of nationalism pure and simple. I believe that we all of us have to learn how to watch our language, whatever our feelings may be.

Put it into whatever box you prefer. Politics is still the PC hate speech of our times. If the noun 'arab' is too strong then by all means hyphenate another one. They great beauty of euphemism is that everyone still knows exactly what you mean. My preference would be 'enemy'.

From sleepyman:
"Imagine what a reaction it would cause on this board if I'd say "borders are closed for Jews." "

-well for one thing you'd been in good company with 100% of the Arab world so I imagine the reaction would be the same kind of smug silence elicited from the Arab states when asked that very question.

Morpheus

05-22-2002, 08:35 AM

Thanks L@mp, I appreciate your honesty,

As I'm not an Israeli, I can use the same argument. Who am I to judge the Palestinians for their terrorism. In fact, why should I bother that Palestinians and Israeli's are fighting, as long as they don't get into any trouble with "my western world". Since Israel is of no importance for me, I really don't care if people are getting killed every day by terrorists, you know why? Because I have nothing to do with it.

Oh, and can you please get me a document with all the western values? I also live in the west, but I kinda forgot these "values". Maybe you can give me these again.

Mediocrates

05-22-2002, 08:49 AM

"Oh, and can you please get me a document with all the western values? I also live in the west, but I kinda forgot these "values". Maybe you can give me these again."

Here read this I hope it helps:

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

NewsGuy

05-22-2002, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Morpheus
1. In fact, why should I bother that Palestinians and Israeli's are fighting, as long as they don't get into any trouble with "my western world".

2. Oh, and can you please get me a document with all the western values? I also live in the west, but I kinda forgot these "values". Maybe you can give me these again.
1. In truth, Israel would have resolved the Palestinian problem a long time ago, if it were not for European interference and calls from the U.S. for Israel to fight with one hand tied behind its back.

And if not for Arab and Islamic terrorism against the U.S. and European targets, as well as Arab pressure on its oil-slave client states, then the entire conflict would be just a quaint back-page news item.

2. As for Western values, there's no need for a long laundry list. Suffice it to say that intentionally targeting little children sitting at a neighborhood pizza store is considered mass murder.

Although I understand that in other societies, like Muslim society for example, such acts are held in high regard and the perpetrators' families are awarded money and prestige. Pictures of the murderers are displayed in public much like Jihad celebrities.

I still think that every society is entitled to its own set of values, but they need to keep these acts to themselves. I have always advocated that the Arabs perform as many Jihads as they please against their own people in their own countries. Let the Arabs maintain any system of corruption and repression in their own countries to their hearts' content. It is their right to live as they see fit.

But when the culture of mass murder spills into other civilized societies, like Israel and the U.S., then those societies have every right to prevent such acts by any means necessary.

Mediocrates

05-22-2002, 09:19 AM

"I still think that every society is entitled to its own set of values, but they need to keep these acts to themselves. I have always advocated that the Arabs perform as many Jihads as they please against their own people in their own countries. Let the Arabs maintain any system of corruption and repression in their own countries to their hearts' content. It is their right to live as they see fit."

Like when Nasser had his army use poison gas against Yemeni army rebels who had deposed the Nasser friendly emir of Yemen in 1960.

L@mplighterM

05-22-2002, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Morpheus
Thanks L@mp, I appreciate your honesty,

As I'm not an Israeli, I can use the same argument. Who am I to judge the Palestinians for their terrorism. In fact, why should I bother that Palestinians and Israeli's are fighting, as long as they don't get into any trouble with "my western world". Since Israel is of no importance for me, I really don't care if people are getting killed every day by terrorists, you know why? Because I have nothing to do with it.

Oh, and can you please get me a document with all the western values? I also live in the west, but I kinda forgot these "values". Maybe you can give me these again.

As soon as you start committing terrorist acts against a country that I consider Westernized youâ€™ve crossed the bridge and as far as Iâ€™m concerned it becomes all gloves off. The Palestinians can do to each other whatever the hell they want. Why should I care? The minute the kill their neighbors, those that incite, support or carry out the acts of terrorism should be neutralized.

Note: Donâ€™t bother to ask me to define â€œneutralizedâ€ draw your own conclusion.

1.For one thing I donâ€™t see women walking around in old blankets where I live. Women are considered equals in western countries.

2. If you donâ€™t know what democracy means move to Iran, Iraq and China. There are of course various types of democracies and I suppose youâ€™re going to argue that a democratic process elected Arafag. I was referring to the various western democracies that with their faults should still be considered the best in the world.

3.Perhaps you live where you can be thrown into jail for life or be executed at the whim of a government official.

L@mplighterM

05-22-2002, 04:33 PM

I could cut and paste old posts from the web for the better of a day. There are countless articles spelling out the dangers of Islamic Fundamentalism. As far as Iâ€™m concerned not one world leader (save Israel) took these dangers seriously, time and time again they were swept aside.

As I write this Iâ€™m not even certain that the current administration in the US is up to a sustained effort to rid the world of terrorists.

Skogan

05-22-2002, 05:19 PM

Is India westernized? They got democracy, free press, etc. About the only difference is they got a different skin tone and worship a cow. Do we need to intervene there againt the Paki's in afghanistan, so that we can have a whole new crop of people that hate us? Or shall we stay neutral and advocate peace?

Skogan

elke

05-23-2002, 05:10 AM

Mediocrates

05-23-2002, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Skogan
Is India westernized? They got democracy, free press, etc. About the only difference is they got a different skin tone and worship a cow. Do we need to intervene there againt the Paki's in afghanistan, so that we can have a whole new crop of people that hate us? Or shall we stay neutral and advocate peace?

Skogan

No probably not. We should wait until they're done lobbing nuclear artillery shells at one another, move in and put up a Starbucks. Throughout the 20th C. American policy had always been tainted with this 'culture thing'. We move in and throw lots of money around trying the remake the world in our own image. Well that didn't work. So what we should do is let the world ask to become like us instead.

Because like it or not, for all the evil it does to corrupt local customs, in many parts of the world, the only place that has clean drinking water is the Coke-a-Cola bottling plant.

L@mplighterM

05-23-2002, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Skogan
Is India westernized? They got democracy, free press, etc. About the only difference is they got a different skin tone and worship a cow. Do we need to intervene there againt the Paki's in afghanistan, so that we can have a whole new crop of people that hate us? Or shall we stay neutral and advocate peace?

Skogan

There has been somewhere around 50,000,000 females murdered in India since the 1950â€™s.

Some women end up being torched; female children are wrapped in wet blankets to induce pneumonia, smothered, poisoned, denied medical treatment, etc.

I guess if you donâ€™t like females you can certainly refer to India as a country with western ideals. Or perhaps you favor women being wrapped in old blankets?

Skogan

05-23-2002, 01:08 PM

If you go back to the 1950's you can also say that Black's were segragated in the U.S., So I guess we aren't westernized either. Or, you can simply make a distinction between what a country has done, and what its current value system says is the right thing to do. I don't think you will find that killing women is part of the Indian value system, but rather an abberation of it.

Skogan

L@mplighterM

05-23-2002, 02:30 PM

I fail to see how segregation has anything to do with westernization.

Skogan

05-23-2002, 03:06 PM

That doesn't surprise me.

christian

05-23-2002, 09:26 PM

Mediocrates

05-24-2002, 07:37 AM

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=146300&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0

Yet another Red Crescent ambulance nabbed transporting explosives.

"Ok" now turn your head and cough"

"Cough"

BOOM!

Mediocrates

05-24-2002, 07:42 AM

Here is the terror link

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=161105

Here is the link to the speaker and the speech

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=214791

NewsGuy

05-24-2002, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Skogan
Do we need to intervene there againt the Paki's in afghanistan, so that we can have a whole new crop of people that hate us? Or shall we stay neutral and advocate peace?
It would not be a new crop of U.S. haters. Pakistan, like all Muslim countries has a majority of the population that hates us for what they perceive as standing in the way of their Jihad-genocide again Israel.