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takeo
05-24-2002, 04:07 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4317005,00.html

"Confronting the past
A thesis which alleges that Jewish militias slaughtered unarmed Arab fighters during the war of Independence is at the centre of a fierce debate about Israel's approach to its history, writes Suzanne Goldenberg

Suzanne Goldenberg
Monday December 10, 2001
The Guardian

He is a rather unlikely candidate for academic celebrity - or notoriety - depending on which way one looks at it.

But the debate over the MA thesis of Teddy Katz, a kibbutznik in his late 50s, has consumed Israeli academics for the best part of two years.

The saga of Mr Katz began unfolding in January last year when an Israeli newspaper published excerpts from a thesis submitted to Haifa University on the fate of the Palestinian village of Tantura, which was destroyed in the battle for Israel's independence in 1948.

In his research, Mr Katz collected testimony from Palestinians who alleged that Jewish pre-state militias slaughtered 200 Arab fighters who laid down their arms after the village surrendered in May 1948.

Researchers have unearthed other massacres in Israel's bloody war of independence in 1948 - most notably at Deir Yassin, near Jerusalem, where some 120 unarmed villagers were killed in the event that came to symbolise the Nakba - literally the catastrophe of Palestinian flight, and dispossession when the Jewish state was created in 1948.

And there were earlier accounts in Arabic of the episode at Tantura. The coastal village was razed in June 1948 to make way for a kibbutz, and a swimming pool.

But the effect of Mr Katz's research was explosive. The Jewish veterans of the Alexandroni Brigade, the battalion Mr Katz alleged to have carried out the killings, sued for libel. The suit set off a train of events in the legal and academic arenas.

In the early stages of the legal battle, Mr Katz recanted his thesis - and then retracted 12 hours later, saying his judgment had been impaired by a stroke. The lawsuit moved upwards to the supreme court.

Meanwhile, an academic committee at Haifa University reviewed Mr Katz's work and this month ordered the suspension of his thesis, giving him six months to submit a revised version.

For Mr Katz, whose 1998 thesis, was awarded with unusually high grades, the controversy has been personally devastating.

For Israeli social scientists, who have been wrangling over the thesis on academic websites for months, the furore over the findings cuts to the core of a struggle over the portrayal of the history of the Jewish state.

The first histories of modern Israel were guided by Zionist ideology, and dominated by memoirs of the generals who participated in the battles for the state.

These were stories of Jewish war heroes, not of the Palestinian civilians who were purposely driven from their homes in acts of ethnic cleansing, or who fled after hearing of massacres in other villages.

A few historians have emerged during the last decade to set the record straight - including those like Mr Katz or Benny Morris, who is the best-known of the so-called new historians abroad, from outside the academic establishment.

But after more than a decade, the majority of their colleagues continue to cling to the old shibboleths.

Though buried for five decades, the stories of Tantura and the more than 400 other Palestinian villages destroyed with the creation of the Jewish state are deeply threatening to present-day Israeli society.

The fate of such villages is central to the Palestinian demand for the right of return of some 3.8m registered refugees to what is now Israel - a prospect most Israelis view with horror as the beginnings of the destruction of their state.

The pressures to conform have grown stronger since Israel executed a collective shift to the right after the eruption of a bloody Palestinian revolt 14 months ago.

The current atmosphere has made it even more uncomfortable for Israeli academics to challenge the founding myths of the Jewish state.

Mr Katz's academic work was problematic in other ways. He based his thesis on oral testimony from surivors of Tantura village, which is near his hometown of Haifa.

The accounts were dismissed out of hand as unreliable by some Israeli academics, specifically because he relied on Palestinian sources.

Unfair, wrote Ilan Pappe, a political scientist at Haifa University, who has emerged as Mr Katz's champion, and who has been at the vanguard of the re-evaluation of Israel's history.

"The oral testimonies by Palestinians on the Nakba - like the testimonies of Jews on the holocaust - will have to be treated as a legitimate source, both in court and scholarly debate."

The academic committee which reviewed Mr Katz's work found seven discrepencies between the tapes of interviews, and conclusions he made in his thesis.

Other academics have faulted Mr Katz for amateurish methodology. In turn, he regrets his early recantation of his thesis, which was made to ward off heavy court costs following the libel suit.

However, despite such flaws, several academics believe the essence of Mr Katz's findings has not been challenged.

"The question of whether the Alexandroni Brigade troopers did indeed murder residents of Tantura and the place of the entire episode in the relationship between Israel and the Palestinians still remains," the historian Tom Segev wrote in the Ha'aretz newspaper.

"Israelis and Arabs committed war crimes both before and after 1948. The Tantura affair is not the point.

"The point is that most Israelis have yet to internalise their share of the responsibility for the creation of the Palestinian tragedy, and until they do so, there is no chance for peace."



Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001


"Contents Bearing On The Case Of Ilan Pappe
Following are a letter from Professor Ilan Pappe who is facing dismissal because of his stands on human rights. "




by Ilan Pappe
May 14, 2002



"
Dear Friends,


I have received today an invitation to stand for a trial in my university, the university of Haifa. The prosecution, represented by Haifa Dean's of humanities demands my expulsion from the university due to the positions I have taken on the Katz affair. It calls upon the court “to judge Dr. Pappe on the offences he has committed and to use to the full the court's legal authority to expel him from the university". These offences are in a nutshell my past critique of the university's conduct in the Katz affair, the MA student who discovered the Tantura massacre in 1948 and was disqualified for that. The reason the university waited so long is that now the time is ripe in Israel for any act of silencing academic freedom. My intent to teach a course on the Nakbah next year and my support for boycott on Israel has led the university to the conclusion that I can only be stopped by expulsion.
Judging by past procedures this is not a request, but already a verdict, given the position of the person in question in the university and the way things had been done in the past. The ostensible procedure of a 'fair trial' does not exist and hence I do not even intend to participate in a McCarthyist charade.
I do not appeal to you for my own sake. I ask you at this stage before a final decision has been taken to voice your opinion in whatever form you can and to whatever stage you have access to, not in order to prevent my expulsion (in many ways in the present atmosphere in Israel it will come now, and if not now later on, as the Israeli academia has deiced almost unanimously to support the government and to help silence any criticism). I ask those who are willing to do so, to take this case as part of your overall appreciation of, and attitude to, the preset situation in Israel. This should shed light also on the debate whether or not to boycott Israeli academia.
This is not, I stress, and an appeal for personal help - my situation is far better than that of my colleagues in the occupied territories living under the daily harassment and brutal abuses of the Israeli army. It is an opening gambit and many of colleagues, especially my Palestinian Israeli colleagues, can be next. A testimony to the tragic circumstances of my own university is that I know there is no use in distributing this letter on its internal web-site, as all of my colleagues in the past when it came to the crucial moment - for understandable reasons - felt they could do very little to help me, without risking their own position in the university.
I know many of you have access to world media and can help to expose the already dismal picture and false pretense of Israel of being the 'only democracy in the Middle East'.


Yours

Ilan Pappe "

http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/pappecase.cfm

takeo
05-24-2002, 04:20 AM
petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/pappe/petition.html

Vic
05-24-2002, 06:05 AM
Maybe you'd like to take a look at a better balanced article before signing the petition:

His colleagues call him a traitor
By Tom Segev
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=167664&contrassID=2&subContrassID=15&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

JustPat
05-24-2002, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by takeo
In the early stages of the legal battle, Mr Katz recanted his thesis - and then retracted 12 hours later, saying his judgment had been impaired by a stroke. If a man cannot make up his mind where he stands, how can he expect others to stand with him. Sounds to me like a man who has a position without much conviction.

JustPat
05-24-2002, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by takeo
"Contents Bearing On The Case Of Ilan Pappe
Following are a letter from Professor Ilan Pappe who is facing dismissal because of his stands on human rights. " In the US we call these people "radicals" and give them tenure at Berkeley.
Doesn't the University of Haifa have the right to dismiss a staff member who fails to conform to University standards and policies?

Iori Yagami
05-24-2002, 09:18 AM
They do. But takeo here apparently searches for anything that he can to prove that we Israelis are fascists.
Well, here`s a nice one for you takeo: there was a party here at Tel-Aviv yesterday, it was called "Rave against the occupation". It lasted for a few hours, 2000 people came. There were a lot of anti IDF statements there, and all kind of **** like that. Yet, believe it or not, no one stopped the party, no policemen have arrested the people there.
Ori Avneri, and his Gush Shalom organization (whom takeo has quoted a few times, as an "objective" source of information) are freely comparing Israeli soldiers to nazis. I have yet to see him arrested.
If that isn`t free speech, I wonder what is.

NewsGuy
05-24-2002, 09:26 AM
As usual, we see another example of a marginal point of view based on an intention to mislead, given more attention than it possiby warrants in the press.

To begin with, the case was very well publicized at the time, when the Israeli veterans accused by Katz got fed up and decided to take the matter to a public court of law. So, they proceeded to sue him for libel.

As you all probably know, libel is defined in basic terms as lies intentionally spread in order to do harm.

When asked to account for his lies in front of a court of law, Katz immediately decided to recant his fabrication, although later he decided that he wants to try to stick to his story.

So, a university committee was formed to review Katz' allegations. Here;s what happened afterwards, as written in the Haaretz article above:

''Haifa University set up a review committee; its members heard the recordings on which Katz had based his thesis and which contained the testimony of the witnesses he had interviewed. Discrepancies were found between the content of the tapes and what was written in the thesis. The university has allowed Katz to submit a revised version of the paper, and Katz is still working on it."

By "still working on it," it is meant that a full 4 years later, Katz is trying deperately to get out of the embarrassment of his lies.

In the meantime, Ilan Pappe, a lecturer at Haifa University, known to be a radical Leftist, decided to ride the wave of publicity and to try to grab some headline of his own. After all, it was a golden opportunity for this radical traitor to try to damage Israel's image internationally, and at the same time gain some publicity.

So, now, the university, which has the right to do as it pleases, decided to fire Pappe, who has become more of a liability than an asset. Naturally, like many employees who get fired, he is very angry.

I would suggest to Pappe, instead of trying to enlist Arab-endorsed petitions, that he should simply move to Syria or Iraq, or Iran or France, where anti-Israeli lies are very well received and maybe he can get an appropriate lecturing position at Saddam Hussein University.

Skogan
05-24-2002, 11:23 AM
From the information given above, (and in the links), I can't agree with the proceedings against Ilan Pappe. It may be true that in Israel a public university has the right to do what it wants, but the world-wide academic community also has the right to ostracize it. In the U.S., researchers have a well recognized right to take contraversial and unpopular positions. That is the heart of academic freedom.

Katz, on the other hand, was found to have engage in academic sloppyness. That is a different matter. Pappe, as well as others, believe the essence of Katz thesis is correct. Even if they are wrong, they deserve to be heard. The place to challenge his beliefs is not in a court or expulsion proceeding. The place to challenge it is in the academic community, where those who oppose him also have the opportunity to provide evidence to the contrary. If a university fires someone because the positions he holds are unpatriotic, that should be roundly criticised.

Justpat ask "Doesn't the University of Haifa have the right to dismiss a staff member who fails to conform to University standards and policies?" That depends on the standard or policy. If he is recognized as one of the most highly published researchers in his department, lack of academic rigor can not be used as an excuse to fire him.The main complaint against Pappe, according to Vic's link, was that he sent a letter to the American Historical Association which he called upon its members to protest against the way the university has dealt with the Katz affair. You can disagree with Pappe on this, but to say he has no right to freely express himself can not be considered enlightened.

There is no real university in the U.S. that would punish Pappe for that. If the University of Haifa does that, they forfiet the right to claim they have academic freedom. They become an Idealogic think-tank rather then a University.

Skogan

Skogan
05-24-2002, 11:33 AM
Let me also add, (before someone else does) that I realize that at Arab Universities the right to free speech and academic freedom is much more limited. My point here is not to compare Israeli with Arab University, but rather to express that it is wrong to shut out the voice of academics because they disagree with the university or government position. That it is occuring at the University of Haifa is sad, that it is the norm at many Arab universities is sadder.


Skogan

JustPat
05-24-2002, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Skogan In the U.S., researchers have a well recognized right to take contraversial and unpopular positions. That is the heart of academic freedom. And the universities have the freedom to discharge them. It does happen here.


Originally posted by Skogan Pappe, as well as others, believe the essence of Katz thesis is correct. Even if they are wrong, they deserve to be heard. The place to challenge his beliefs is not in a court or expulsion proceeding. The place to challenge it is in the academic community, where those who oppose him also have the opportunity to provide evidence to the contrary. If a university fires someone because the positions he holds are unpatriotic, that should be roundly criticised. IF, however, the professor is a grandstanding meglomaniac who embarasses the university, what then should they do with him. It is nice to see someone with guts enough to stand up to those who proclaim loudly with the belief that he who yells loudest must be speaking the truth. Pappe will find tenure at Berkeley and then be properly ignored.


Originally posted by Skogan Justpat ask "Doesn't the University of Haifa have the right to dismiss a staff member who fails to conform to University standards and policies?" That depends on the standard or policy. If he is recognized as one of the most highly published researchers in his department, lack of academic rigor can not be used as an excuse to fire him.The main complaint against Pappe, according to Vic's link, was that he sent a letter to the American Historical Association which he called upon its members to protest against the way the university has dealt with the Katz affair. You can disagree with Pappe on this, but to say he has no right to freely express himself can not be considered enlightened. Highly published does not mean highly accurate. A lot of what is currently held as "truth" will see a good debunking as research continues. That's just the way things play. Perhaps the University of Haifa is ahead of the game in taking a stand in the face of academic popularity to maintain its integrity in the academic community.


Originally posted by Skogan There is no real university in the U.S. that would punish Pappe for that. If the University of Haifa does that, they forfiet the right to claim they have academic freedom. They become an Idealogic think-tank rather then a University. - Skogan Not having all teh facts, I dannot comment on the outcome, but several "real" universities engage in just such judgments on a regular basis.

NewsGuy
05-24-2002, 02:56 PM
The right to discharge a professor lies in the contract he has with his employer and in the rights for free speech granted under law.

But in any event, dismissing a professor does not amount to silencing political speech, because the professor is free to maintain his opinions and publish them in academia or in the press.

It is possible that the more prudent move from a PR standpoint would have been if the University of Haifa would have simply declined to renew Pappe's contract when it comes up for renewal.

But this petition against the university is has nothing to do with contracts or safeguarding Israeli citizens' right of free speech. Instead, it is yet another hypocritical Arab publicity stunt to smear Israel.

JustPat
05-24-2002, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by NewsGuy
It is possible that the more prudent move from a PR standpoint would have been if the University of Haifa would have simply declined to renew Pappe's contract when it comes up for renewal. Perhaps, but if tenure works at Haifa like at other Universities, this may be the only process by which he can be removed. Tenured professors here are untouchable without some type of legal proceeding.

Skogan
05-24-2002, 04:44 PM
Justpat is right that the tenure system protects professors from being fired for reasons such as these. The whole point of the system is to allow academics to do research without fear of losing their job if their findings are politically charged or unpopular. You may disagree, but many people support the fact that, in the interest of society as a whole, academic opinions should be insulated from coercieve government influence.


And the universities have the freedom to discharge them. It does happen here

I would like to see an example of a professor losing his job in the U.S. because the University didn't agree with the conclusions of his research. If it exist, it is rare, and almost certainly comes with a law suit.

BTW no one forces universities to have a tenure system. They have it because there is general agreement that tenure protects academic freedom, and academic freedom is good for society.


It is nice to see someone with guts enough to stand up to those who proclaim loudly with the belief that he who yells loudest must be speaking the truth.

I didn't say I agree with him. I don't know enough about the subject to either agree or disagree. I do think that it is the peer review process that should judge the accuracy of his claims, not those government officials who might be embarrased by what the findings suggest. It is similar to the notion of "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it" slogan.

The government should not favor those researchers that make them look good, or punish those who make them look bad. I'm afraid I disagree with newsguy to this extent. The petition may have nothing to do with israeli's right to free speech, but it does have to do with Israeli researchers right to independent and honest inquery.


Skogan

JustPat
05-24-2002, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Skogan
Justpat is right that the tenure system protects professors from being fired for reasons such as these. For the record, I belive tenure breeds idiots and gives license to fools.

takeo
05-24-2002, 07:46 PM
"If a man cannot make up his mind where he stands, how can he expect others to stand with him. Sounds to me like a man who has a position without much conviction."

actually katz was put under a lot of pressure which could explain this.


"Doesn't the University of Haifa have the right to dismiss a staff member who fails to conform to University standards and policies?"

here in Western Europe it's absolutely impossible, unless the staff member defends positions that are illegal (racism, fascism) , I don't know about the US but it would be a serious blow to independant free research if this would be possible (after all the university is someones main income, taking away someones position and income can of course be a reason for self-censorship or fear, this is by the way the most common way autoritarian regimes deal with critical voices in the academic world)

OK, (luckily, you seem to deplore it) people in Israel usually still have the right to express their political opinion freely, however this two cases show that can have consequences if your opinion is not the one of the mainstream or according to the official ideology.

"Discrepancies were found between the content of the tapes and what was written in the thesis"

of course that 's an easy excuse to discredit the thesis. Actually long time before the tesis got the highest possible degree as a real masterpiece and nobody made those critics, only after the thesis was made public and the attacks on the content (which touched israel in the core of it's propaganda that no etnic cleansing happened in israel) started, suddenly the thesis got discredited. actually you will find discrepancies in every historical research between sources and text because text and sources need to be interpreted and every researcher interpretes it according to his own standard, methods and opinion. This is true for all historians, right- centre- or leftwing doesn't matter.


"Highly published does not mean highly accurate."

that's according to your personal opinion and political orientation.
It seems as if the academic world can only be accurate if the conclusions fit your worldview.
this is however against the principles of free research, which provides to every member of the university staff the right to write and research without political pressure. I think all universities in israel and the US agree upon the principle of free research, in theory at least...
I'm sure you would also like to see people as Noam Chomsky loose their university job because you don't agree with their conclusions. well, there are a lot of professors and academical staff to which writings i totally disagree, yet i think in a democratic country they should be able to continue their research within the university, nobody forces you to take their conclusions for granted but at least have the decensy to accept that other opinions as yours exist and should exist.

all this seems like a well-coordinated attempt to ban "subversive" post-zionism from israeli universities to save the official history of Israel, influenced by heroic zionism, learned in israeli schools.

Iori Yagami
05-24-2002, 11:18 PM
I wonder - How many years have you studied in an Israeli school, that you know so much about the history lessons here, that are sooooo influenced by "heroic zionism"?

JustPat
05-25-2002, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by takeo "If a man cannot make up his mind where he stands, how can he expect others to stand with him. Sounds to me like a man who has a position without much conviction."

actually katz was put under a lot of pressure which could explain this.Like I said, not much conviction. In the situation with Kadafi, I took a stand agaist violating national sovreignty that cost me a year's salary, my job, any hope of a future security clearance and sixty days in jail. Conviction doesn't compromise. I believed that Kadafi should be brought to justice, but not at the expense of the Rule of Law. Katz didn't believe in what he wrote.



Originally posted by takeo "Doesn't the University of Haifa have the right to dismiss a staff member who fails to conform to University standards and policies?"

here in Western Europe it's absolutely impossible, unless the staff member defends positions that are illegal (racism, fascism) , I don't know about the US but it would be a serious blow to independant free research if this would be possible (after all the university is someones main income, taking away someones position and income can of course be a reason for self-censorship or fear, this is by the way the most common way autoritarian regimes deal with critical voices in the academic world)

OK, (luckily, you seem to deplore it) people in Israel usually still have the right to express their political opinion freely, however this two cases show that can have consequences if your opinion is not the one of the mainstream or according to the official ideology. But, it is still the university's call as to who they keep or dismiss. If Pappe violates their code of ethics, their standards for integrity, etc. they should have the right, no the obligation to discharge him. This is neither censorship nor encroachment on free speach but enforcing a standard of integrity. To me, Pappe's grandstanding on a paper someone recanted does not speak of integrity, sounds more like Jesse Jackson's style.


Originally posted by takeo "Discrepancies were found between the content of the tapes and what was written in the thesis"

of course that 's an easy excuse to discredit the thesis. Actually long time before the tesis got the highest possible degree as a real masterpiece and nobody made those critics, only after the thesis was made public and the attacks on the content (which touched israel in the core of it's propaganda that no etnic cleansing happened in israel) started, suddenly the thesis got discredited. actually you will find discrepancies in every historical research between sources and text because text and sources need to be interpreted and every researcher interpretes it according to his own standard, methods and opinion. This is true for all historians, right- centre- or leftwing doesn't matter. True enough, but those interpretations must either wash under peer evaluation or be discounted by peer evaluation. This paper got lots of exposure, but it didn't wash. Unfortunately, the peer review didn't appear to have the same bounce that Katz inflamatory statements did.



Originally posted by takeo "Highly published does not mean highly accurate."

that's according to your personal opinion and political orientation. [QUOTE] No, that is fact. You have been highly published here, and quite often proven inaccurate. I feed you your own words, "It seems as if the academic world can only be accurate if the conclusions fit your worldview."
[QUOTE]Originally posted by takeo It seems as if the academic world can only be accurate if the conclusions fit your worldview. this is however against the principles of free research, which provides to every member of the university staff the right to write and research without political pressure. I think all universities in israel and the US agree upon the principle of free research, in theory at least...
I'm sure you would also like to see people as Noam Chomsky loose their university job because you don't agree with their conclusions. well, there are a lot of professors and academical staff to which writings i totally disagree, yet i think in a democratic country they should be able to continue their research within the university, nobody forces you to take their conclusions for granted but at least have the decensy to accept that other opinions as yours exist and should exist.

all this seems like a well-coordinated attempt to ban "subversive" post-zionism from israeli universities to save the official history of Israel, influenced by heroic zionism, learned in israeli schools. As long as we are clear that this is your opinion and doesn't necessarily have any basis in fact. You contradict yourself and yet feel justified as long as your final statement is, "Israel is bad and Arabs are victims."

takeo
05-27-2002, 08:33 PM
"Like I said, not much conviction. In the situation with Kadafi, I took a stand agaist violating national sovreignty that cost me a year's salary, my job, any hope of a future security clearance and sixty days in jail. Conviction doesn't compromise. I believed that Kadafi should be brought to justice, but not at the expense of the Rule of Law. Katz didn't believe in what he wrote. "

that was very admirable, really. if you would have done it in the idf however you would have been considered a national traitor by some people on this forum.
but not all people, certainly not academics, are prepared to risk a lot for their convictions, and katz seem to be under a lot of pressure and possibly treats, it doesn't mean they didn't believe in what they wrote(if not he wouldn't have written it). I would possibly do the same if i had a family to support, without however stopping to believe in what i wrote.




"But, it is still the university's call as to who they keep or dismiss. If Pappe violates their code of ethics, their standards for integrity, etc. they should have the right, no the obligation to discharge him. This is neither censorship nor encroachment on free speach but enforcing a standard of integrity. To me, Pappe's grandstanding on a paper someone recanted does not speak of integrity, sounds more like Jesse Jackson's style. "

Whatever his style, he was fired for his opinion, and i believe no university in israel or europe (don't know about the us) has an ethical code that excludes certain political opinions that are not illegal. It is integrity to fire someone who provoked a sex-scandall or because he never comes to his job, not for his opinion and his conlusions which may not be appropriate but are nevertheless part of the free research which is typical for the university.


"True enough, but those interpretations must either wash under peer evaluation or be discounted by peer evaluation. This paper got lots of exposure, but it didn't wash. Unfortunately, the peer review didn't appear to have the same bounce that Katz inflamatory statements did. "

It did "wash", it has been approoved by a universitary jury and got the highest possible degree, yet only after his conclusions shocked some people the criticism on his thesis started to flow, not necessarily because those people had profound remarks about the quality of the work.





"As long as we are clear that this is your opinion and doesn't necessarily have any basis in fact. "

this is always the case with every word spoken by a human being.

"You contradict yourself and yet feel justified as long as your final statement is, "Israel is bad and Arabs are victims." "

how am i contradicting myself? in some conditions I said that the Arabs can be aggressors too.

JustPat
05-29-2002, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by takeo that was very admirable, really. if you would have done it in the idf however you would have been considered a national traitor by some people on this forum.
but not all people, certainly not academics, are prepared to risk a lot for their convictions, and katz seem to be under a lot of pressure and possibly treats, it doesn't mean they didn't believe in what they wrote(if not he wouldn't have written it). I would possibly do the same if i had a family to support, without however stopping to believe in what i wrote.
"Like I said, not much conviction. Katz didn't believe in what he wrote. " He may have preferred that position, but he had no conviction. He is not alone, many share his lack of spine. There are even people who write in this forum who spout Palestinian Party lines but haven't the courage to go to Ramallah and join their ranks. ;)


Originally posted by takeo
Whatever (Pappe's) style, he was fired for his opinion, and i believe no university in israel or europe (don't know about the us) has an ethical code that excludes certain political opinions that are not illegal. It is integrity to fire someone who provoked a sex-scandall or because he never comes to his job, not for his opinion and his conlusions which may not be appropriate but are nevertheless part of the free research which is typical for the university. It is appropriate to dismiss a professor who acts in a way that is unprofessional or unethical. Those who make their case in the press rather than a proper academic forum are bound to be disciplined. Three cheers for the University of Haifa standing up to such a grandstander.