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prfix

12-09-2004, 11:32 AM

water

06-01-2005, 01:21 PM

thank god Ive never bought anything there

Babur

10-01-2005, 10:42 PM

Mira

10-02-2005, 12:34 AM

why should they not be allowed to return?

this is what angers me. some idiots. these idiots exist on both sides. why should they not be allowed to return. it is NO ones land. it is THE LORDS land.

the only way would be to destroy isreal and palestine and create a new secular country. with no religeon. no isreal no palestine. seems fair to me.

Leeds is also the Lords land. G-d save the queen and all that jazz. Why shouldn't I be able to have automatic citizenship in the UK? It is rumored in my family that we have at least one relative who lived in England sometime in the last couple of centuries. Why shouldn't I be able to return.

Babur

10-02-2005, 12:54 AM

Leeds is also the Lords land. G-d save the queen and all that jazz. Why shouldn't I be able to have automatic citizenship in the UK? It is rumored in my family that we have at least one relative who lived in England sometime in the last couple of centuries. Why shouldn't I be able to return.
ask the queen. this is a kingdom lol. that god save the queen stuff is not valid any mores. its god save alcohol and keep the music pumping these days!

i believe there should be NO government on earth!!! not just palestine/isreal...but that has been a hot spot for MANY thousands of years. time to resolve this once and for all.

also you CAN come to england. you have to stay here about 5 years to gain full citizenship and also sware you will be loyal to the queen blah blah. we have all sorts of people here. hindus, muslims, jews (please tell me the propper pronounciation i am realy depressed thinking i might be offending you guys), atheists, all sorts, pakistanis, indians, spanish, french, isrealis, arabs, angolans, south africans, chinese, japanese....and they all have the SAME rights.

Mediocrates

10-02-2005, 06:42 AM

Oh ok. Silly utopianism.

Babur

10-02-2005, 06:12 PM

Oh ok. Silly utopianism.
this sort of a world existed in the past.

research on cardoba. infact watch that documentry i have posted here
http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?p=160122#post160122

Ariksan

10-02-2005, 06:34 PM

this sort of a world existed in the past.

research on cardoba. infact watch that documentry i have posted here
http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?p=160122#post160122

Ah right, let's all live as dhimmis under Sharia law... should've seen that coming. Worldwide paradise... my arse.

Mediocrates

10-02-2005, 06:38 PM

i believe there should be NO government on earth!!! not just palestine/isreal...but that has been a hot spot for MANY thousands of years. time to resolve this once and for all.

Utopianism

also you CAN come to england. you have to stay here about 5 years to gain full citizenship and also sware you will be loyal to the queen blah blah. we have all sorts of people here. hindus, muslims, jews (please tell me the propper pronounciation i am realy depressed thinking i might be offending you guys), atheists, all sorts, pakistanis, indians, spanish, french, isrealis, arabs, angolans, south africans, chinese, japanese....and they all have the SAME rights.

This will never happen in an Arab state or any country where Islam is the dominant culture or majority religion. Never.

Babur

10-02-2005, 06:47 PM

This will never happen in an Arab state or any country where Islam is the dominant culture or majority religion. Never.

you insult your wisdom friend
http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?p=160122#post160122

whatch this documentry i posted about islam...empire of faith..production of the history channel.. (doent worry no fake manipulative propoganda lol)

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also in pakistan we have hindus, sikhs, christains, budhists, jews, muslims living side by side. in peshawar (yes that extremist region) there is a mosque and gurdwara side by side...no problems what so evver... for proof download and watch goerge ka pakistan
http://www.pakstop.com/pakmusic/ from here...
(episode from midway 6 till 7 for insight on the life in peshawar region..[and the proof is at time index 29 minutes..onwards])

Toga

10-02-2005, 07:03 PM

We have an old key in my family. It matches to the key that opens the door that leads to the main palace in the principality of Monaco. So, my family are the de-facto owners of Monaco and we want our land and palace back. We want to be made the honorary citizens of Monaco and I should be the prince.

Do you think we should employ Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Al-Aqsa Brigade to advise us how to accomplish our goals?

Babur

10-02-2005, 07:19 PM

Mediocrates

10-02-2005, 07:20 PM

There are zero Jews in Pakistan. Zero.

Babur

10-02-2005, 07:21 PM

There are zero Jews in Pakistan. Zero.
this should be two way.

you should first watch what i told you to watch and then formulate an answer...not just look at a post and then answer without reading it!

about jews in Karachi there are still some remaining. if you run away from fear which you create your self and which is merely a figment of your imagination...then how can you blame the person whome you fear?

jews are ehlal kitaab meaning they are the followers of one of THE LORDs messengers. Sikhism started after islam... we hate the sikhs more then we do jews in pakistan, a LOT more...

Mediocrates

10-02-2005, 07:35 PM

Babur

10-02-2005, 08:00 PM

Give me the address of the shul in Karachi so I get in touch with them. Give me a mailing address, a name, email, phone #.

There were maybe 2000 Bene Yisrael in the 1940's. By the '50s that # was down to about 200. 50 years later the number is zero. Or if it's not zero it's essentially zero and completely underground, Anousim.

Pakistan is maybe 3% Christian and a smaller number of Hindus. In a stunning flash of brilliance when Pakistan lost a cricket match against India, the press proclaimed it a Zionist-Hindu conspiracy.

Other groups, like the Ahmadiya are rountinely persecuted.

The Pakistani army has senior officers who routinely call for a war against the Jews, "The worst enemy of Islam" (Pakistani Army Chief of Staff, 1991)

also they jews are mostly underground passing along as parsi..but there are a couple overground ones too...

these people only know isreal kills palestinians and similar people on isrealy side only know palestinians kill isrealis. the trueth is some maniacs on both sides who KNOW the dynamics preach hate and the fuel of this hate is in a state of equalibrium..each sides violence feeds the other side...and the people who preach hate are the work horses who MUST be killed.!

those officers/people etc etc you reffer to are the ones who doent understand the dynamics!.

the ahmediya are NOT rutinly prosecuted by the ISI. there are other forces behind that...mainly uneducated morons.

in my experiance hate is an product of misunderstanding!

"pakistan is 3% christian"
changez khans army with in ten years of reaching baghdad and burning it to the ground, went from creating pyramids of skulls to building some of the greatest islamic architectures....islam is the trueth. trueth is contagous.

Ariksan

10-02-2005, 08:04 PM

Religious Tolerance in Pakistan:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46614

Babur

10-02-2005, 08:17 PM

Religious Tolerance in Pakistan:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46614
in one side we have a video footage of a sikh gurdwara in peshawar a place the western media portrays as extremists capital...

on the other an article in a news site i have never heard of?

have you more reliable source kid...like rediff? dawn? FT, BBC? rueters?

with all do respect i can make such a site in aproximatly 6 hours in text pad!

should i post the pictures seen on BBC news 24 showing the spiritual leader VHP of which BJP is the political front putting an tikka on hitlers picture??

Toga

10-02-2005, 08:31 PM

Why don't you try a little harder to equate the guilty and the innocent.

When the Arab states killed/kicked out 1M Jews they reinforced the tiny Jewish democracy in the land of Israel. 1M Jews had to flee somewhere. So, they escaped to Israel. The anti-Semitic Russian/Eastern European communists reinforced the Jewish democracy when they persecuted the Jews who fled to Israel. The European Nazis and their collaborators helped to bring about Israel. The remnants of the European atrocities joined their brethren in the historial land of the Jews. Countless sanctions and anti-Semitic declations packaged in the form of anti-Zionism make the Jews stronger than ever. Unfortunately, most Arab regimes have not learned the lessons of history. The Arab hostility toward the Jews and Israel is not bringing them any benefits.

Take a look at the Arab world: The purchasing power of 350M Arabs on the 99.9% of the Middle Eastern landmass equals the purchasing power of Spain. Do the Arab leaders ask themselves a question what is wrong with them and their obsession with Israel?

They conducted all kinds of millitary campaigns, territorial and economic blockades to destroy the Jewish state. These days they are fighting with Israel via the Palestinian Arab terrorist organizations.

They are fighting 5M Jews on a 0.1% of the Middle Eastern landmass.

Ariksan

10-03-2005, 09:52 AM

With all due respect - Worldnetdaily is one of the internet's most popular and famous news website and according to the ratings agency alexa.com it is the world's No. 1 independent newssite.

And it doesn't even matter - I personally work with a Pakistani. His official name is Mohamed. Interestingly enough he is a Christian. He didn't convert. He is a born Christian. His parents named him Mohamed so that he doesn't suffer from discrimination in daily situations when he has to put down his name. I was told that it is a comen practice among Christians in Pakistan. Alone this fact tells you a lot about the level of discrimination and the so called tolerance in Pakistan.

Toga

10-03-2005, 10:50 AM

ZulfiPK

10-05-2005, 06:40 PM

His parents named him Mohamed so that he doesn't suffer from discrimination in daily situations when he has to put down his name. I was told that it is a comen practice among Christians in Pakistan. Alone this fact tells you a lot about the level of discrimination and the so called tolerance in Pakistan.

It's very true that there are not many non-Muslims in Pakistan, after all Pakistan was made for the Muslims, so 97% of the population is Muslim. But to say that the non-Muslims are under threat, would be unfair. I'm also aware that there were recent Church bombing's in Pakistan, but that was not done by average Pakistani citizen, those were the acts of terrorists. I grew up with alot of Pakistani Christians, whose lives were/are perfectly fine, and they are proud to be Pakistanis.
Now dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture of Pakistan here. I wish there were alot of things different in Pakistan, but I'm also sure that citizens of other countries feel the same way about their own countries, wishing that things should be slightly differenet. There is always room for progress, but to just flat out criticise someone's country would be unfair. Pakistan has come a long way, and we still have a long way to go...

ZulfiPK

10-05-2005, 06:51 PM

The Pakistanis should ask themselves a question. Did their boycott of Israel bring them any benefits?
On the contrary, their boycott of Israel reinforced the Indian - Israel alliance and made India a lot stronger. Where does it leave Pakistan? In the backwaters.
Smart, very smart!

We Pakistanis dont always see things in context of benefits. Pakistanis believe that the Isrealis occupied the Palestinian lands(now you might not agree with that, but thats a different debate), and we made a pricipaled stand based on that conclusion. Its very true that the Pakistanis probably didn't get the support we had expected from other Muslim countries, but that doesn't mean that we didn't get anything. We got cheap oil from the Arab countries, investment etc. Some would even argue that the Arabs even financed the Pakistan's nuclear program. Besides, even the Indians boycotted the Isrealis for the same reason the Pakistanis did. The Indians made a headway in 1992, and we are trying to do it now.

Lasbella

10-07-2005, 05:00 PM

There are zero Jews in Pakistan. Zero.

The largest Pakistani Jewish community resides in the Port City of Karachi. The rest are spread through out Pakistan. :)

Toga

10-07-2005, 07:23 PM

We Pakistanis dont always see things in context of benefits. Pakistanis believe that the Isrealis occupied the Palestinian lands(now you might not agree with that, but thats a different debate), and we made a pricipaled stand based on that conclusion. Its very true that the Pakistanis probably didn't get the support we had expected from other Muslim countries, but that doesn't mean that we didn't get anything. We got cheap oil from the Arab countries, investment etc. Some would even argue that the Arabs even financed the Pakistan's nuclear program. Besides, even the Indians boycotted the Isrealis for the same reason the Pakistanis did. The Indians made a headway in 1992, and we are trying to do it now.

Don't you think there is something fundamentally wrong when a proud state of Pakistan becomes a hostage of the narrow-minded Arab obsession with Israel? Take a look at Israel and the Arab states. What did the Arab states achieve by obsessing with Israel? Despite all their land and oil they remain tyrannical, violent, corrupt, backward and poor while Israel with no oil on 0.1% of the Middle Eastern landmass is prosperous, democratic and powerful.

Who would you rather be like?

India was smart and, therefore, it is ahead of Pakistan at the moment. Hopefully, Pakistan will catch up soon.

Mediocrates

10-08-2005, 05:36 PM

The largest Pakistani Jewish community resides in the Port City of Karachi. The rest are spread through out Pakistan. :)

Give me a number. Better yet give me the name of a Rabbi.

ZulfiPK

10-08-2005, 05:57 PM

Don't you think there is something fundamentally wrong when a proud state of Pakistan becomes a hostage of the narrow-minded Arab obsession with Israel? Take a look at Israel and the Arab states. What did the Arab states achieve by obsessing with Israel? Despite all their land and oil they remain tyrannical, violent, corrupt, backward and poor while Israel with no oil on 0.1% of the Middle Eastern landmass is prosperous, democratic and powerful.
Who would you rather be like?
India was smart and, therefore, it is ahead of Pakistan at the moment. Hopefully, Pakistan will catch up soon.

Toga, quite frankly I couldn't agree with you more. But you have to understand the Pakistani politics as well. Lets face it, from our point of view, we have a third most sacred place under seige, any Muslim including myself doesn't approve of that; and thats the only reason we support the Arabs, otherwise we do have any enimosity towards the state of Isreal. I bet you would not be a happy camper, if your holiest sites were also under seige. But, as I said before, its time for us to move on. You know, I got my degree from University of Oklahoma, I always wanted to go and study in Tel aviv, but I couldn't; why------because their is so much hatred among ourselves, and quite frankly both the sides including the Muslims and Jewish are to be blamed for this kind of non-sense.

Cato

10-08-2005, 06:22 PM

ask the queen. this is a kingdom lol. that god save the queen stuff is not valid any mores. its god save alcohol and keep the music pumping these days!

i believe there should be NO government on earth!!! not just palestine/isreal...but that has been a hot spot for MANY thousands of years. time to resolve this once and for all.

also you CAN come to england. you have to stay here about 5 years to gain full citizenship and also sware you will be loyal to the queen blah blah. we have all sorts of people here. hindus, muslims, jews (please tell me the propper pronounciation i am realy depressed thinking i might be offending you guys), atheists, all sorts, pakistanis, indians, spanish, french, isrealis, arabs, angolans, south africans, chinese, japanese....and they all have the SAME rights.

Anybody can become a citizen of Israel to, just replace 5 years with 10 years. 18% of Israelis are Arab Muslims, and most of those are Palestinians. All citizens of Israel have the same rights. I know that Pan Arab and Pan Islamic forums groups and websites say otherwise but they are plain wrong.

Also you mentioned some groups that exist in Britain but not Israel. However two can play at that game. Were are all the British Druze? How about the British Circassions? P.S what happened to British Bedouins?

Babur you are not correct about Corduba. There was a brief period, the short period the Vandals who were very tolerant were still a majority there it was an enlightened center of tolerance but it soon became a place of cold tolerance were jews and christians were permitted to live but had to be in an inferior position, and were not accepted. Much like the way Paris, or Constantinople was. Infact Leo the Isurian who is generally considered the cementer of inter christian sectarian differences modelled the laws he put into practice entirely on ones that were in place in the Muslim World, and yes he did take a look at Corduba thanks to his team of ultraeducated well traveled advisors.

Some of the worst anti-jewish pograms of "Golden Age" of Spain happened in that city. Have you ever heard of Maimonides? You know Saladins chief doctor and a very important part of modern Judaism? Did you know he was a refugee from Corduba who was fleeing persecution by those wonderful Muslim Lords of yours?

Babur the Pakistani Government persecutes heretics by miseducating it's children and teaching them to hate non Sunnis around the clock. If the Pakistani Government decided to cut the Jihad teachings in the classroom there wouldn't be the ignorant massess you say are the ones behind anti-heresy moves.

ZulfiPK the Holiest Site in Judaism is under Siege. The Holiest Site in Judaism is the Temple Mount, which the Muslims currently have legal controll of (Despite the fact that it is part of Israeli Soil the Waqif Foundation has been granted legal controll of the Temple Mount which includes Al Aqsa), despite that the Muslims want it to be part of a Sovereign Muslim Nation.

ZulfiPK

10-08-2005, 06:35 PM

[QUOTE=Cato]
Babur the Pakistani Government persecutes heretics by miseducating it's children and teaching them to hate non Sunnis around the clock. If the Pakistani Government decided to cut the Jihad teachings in the classroom there wouldn't be the ignorant massess you say are the ones behind anti-heresy moves.
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I'll definitely not agree with you there. I'm a Shia Muslim living very happily in Pakistan. Infact, I have lived in Kuwait, and other Arab countries, in my opinion, Pakistan is the best place for Shia's; we are free to have our annual e religious gatherings at any time, and at any place. Its very true, that sometimes, these terrorists in the name of Islam choose to attatck the Shias mosques, but they simply do not represent the vast majority of Sunni-Muslims. Many Sunni-Muslims actually help us out during our family's annual Shia majalis(processions). There are inter-marriages among Shia-Sunnis. My sister is married to a Sunni-Muslim. Terrorists who kill other innocent people in the name of religion, have nothing to do with religion. I dont remember any text book in Pakistan where I read anything against the non-Sunni Muslims.

Ray

10-10-2005, 08:16 AM

Pakistan is maybe 3% Christian and a smaller number of Hindus. In a stunning flash of brilliance when Pakistan lost a cricket match against India, the press proclaimed it a Zionist-Hindu conspiracy.

:D

It is too much to believe.

Crazy.

Ray

10-10-2005, 08:22 AM

The history of Jews in Pakistan is on this weblink.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Pakistan.html

Labyu

01-11-2006, 10:05 AM

Since this is a religious dispute why don't we settle this the way that problems like this were settled back in Biblical/Kuranic Times?

An all out war of attrition!!

The Muslims,Catholics and their EuroLiberalAthiest supporters VS Israel,Christianized USA and India in an all out war to the finish and whoever wins get's to keep Canaan and execute all of the losers and keep their stuff :D

That would settle who "God sides with" in the original ideology of every culture involved and would do the world a favor by reducing population and increasing resources worldwide.Of course in this hypothetical situation Canaan ends up a smoldering ruin but it would condense all of the death,destruction and mayhem to just a few years instead of stretching out for several thousand more years.

Sound like an idiotic plan doesn't it?Well if you watch the way world opinion is going this will be the eventual result of all current policies carried out to their farthest logical conclusion :(

BTW:I signed the petition

Buvfib

08-07-2006, 12:44 AM

It is really??

raoul

08-28-2006, 03:40 PM

You said, people should boycot the Body Shop, because it supports the PLO. But I think, and I am pro-Israel, that the PLO should be supported. Because you have to deal with the Palestinians anyway, and the PLO is a party you can deal with, while the Hamas is not. So it is better, having the PLO representing the Palestinians instead of the Hamas. So it is good to support the PLO. The Palestinians are there anyway, and when I said, that I am pro-Israel, that does not mean, I am anti-Palestine, because it is obsolete being against reality, and Palestines and what they want (an own state) are reality. But you can argue better with them, when they are represented by the PLO, than when they are by the Hamas. Is this so or not?

adara

10-29-2006, 04:20 PM

why should they not be allowed to return?

Agreed. Now, let's extend that right to Jews who were forced out of their homes and taken to death camps and then after miraculously surviving, came home to find that they were refused entry, many being murdered.

Let's extend that right to the ~600,000 to 800,000 Jews who were forced out of Arab lands at the end of World War II and were never allowed the right to return.

Jews in the new Palestine (now called Jordan) were thrown out (the ones who weren't murdered, anyway) and have never been allowed to return.

It is true that a few thousand Palestinian residents who left their homes were not allowed to return; no doubt. Arafat turned down an extremely generous offer in 2001-2001 peace accords. Arafat's action was called a crime by Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar. Apparently, Arafat didn't want to lose his beloved victim status.

I don't understand why some people concentrate on those very, very few Palestinians when there were over a million Jews who were denied the very same thing.

If Jews had not been denied return to their rightful homes, there would be no Palestinian "problem."

I sincerely do feel for the very few true Palestinians (who are almost all dead now, anyway, due to old age) who were not allowed to return. However, it is indeed antisemitism to concentrate on their plight and ignore what happened to a much larger number of Jews.

Vitnir

04-21-2007, 09:55 AM

Another overpriced wannabe "natural care and wellness" shop. I personally prefer their competitive. Not sure if I'm allowed to give links to them, as suggestion for an alternative, or post their name. Advertising and all... but anyway.

I don't really have a say about the right of return but I rather eat snails than see one dime of my hard earned cash going anywhere near the PLO.
Palestinian refugees who fled out of Israel after the 1948 war, huh? Some of them were told not to leave and that they can live among the Jews as citizens with equal rights, but they preferred to flee in hopes to return, with a wave of Arab armies, and plunder the Jews. Others truly were kicked out of their homes and of course, some stayed and those who chosen to cooperate and obey the law are living a pretty good life now in Israel.

adara

07-30-2007, 02:47 PM

The Body Shop, a personal care products retail chain, gave a quarter of its $300,000 "Human Rights Award 2002" prize money (i.e. $75,000) to a group called The National Committee for the Defence of the Rights of the Internally Displaced (NCDRID), which advocates, among other things, the "right to return" of all "Palestinian refugees" to Israel.

http://www.petitiononline.com/tbsbok/petition.html

I once bought their face wash and received a rash, no lie. It probably had an anti-Jewish virus in it.

Yessir/Nosir Arafat's fortune is estimated from between $500 MILLION to $1.3 BILLION dollars. He bought weapons for his pals, but wouldn't it have been a nice gesture to perhaps buy them some real essentials, such as food, clothing, and housing?

I guess that might have cut into his lavish lifestyle too much. The owner of the Body Shop is a real dip for wasting money.