View Full Version : Suicide/homicide in Petah Tikva
05-27-2002, 07:12 AM
As we observe Memorial Day in the U.S., there has just been another attempt by Palestinian terrorists to mass murder Israelis. This one at a mall near a soccer stadium in Petah Tikva; more than 50 injuries reported so far.
Should Israel just continue Operation Defensive Shield?
Should Israel start pulling out of setttlements and give the PA what it wants?
Or should Israel take more forceful action -- do something to dissuade Palestinians from supporting such evil?
05-27-2002, 07:45 AM
a baby among those seriously injured...
05-27-2002, 07:48 AM
Those are difficult questions ibrodsky. I know where you stand and I believe that you know how I would deal with the situation.
At some point in time if this continues it will spell the end of Israel. The human misery is continuing on an unabated upward spiral and the economic impact must be enormous.
Eventually Israel will have nothing to loose by fighting back aggressively. The sad fact is that much of the world population does not support Israel and that compounds the problem.
Whether the Palestinians are mentally ill or have a low IQ is moot because they are smart enough to realize that they have worldwide support for their actions. This strengthens their position and makes their resolve to destroy Israel that much greater.
They use the UN, Geneva Convention and various other organizations as a shield.
Their support comes not from the US Administration because it is split. The Congress of the US supports Israel fully across party lines and I believe that support represents the feelings of many Americans. Beyond that point thereâ€™s various levels of support on a worldwide base but I believe it to be minimal.
05-27-2002, 07:59 AM
I think that if the U.S. wants Israel to basically continue to show restraint, the the U.S. needs to do something concrete that will make such restraint worthwhile.
For example, why doesn't the U.S. go after Hezbollah, which massacred 200 U.S. marines and is backed by Iran?
As a prelude to removing Saddam Hussein, the U.S. could liberate Lebanon. There are Christians in Lebanon who I think would welcome U.S. forces, and Lebanon would provide a base for future U.S. military actions.
05-27-2002, 08:21 AM
While PA issues "condemnation" Arafat's Fatah wing claims responsibility.
An elderly woman and young girl were DOA at the hospital.
05-27-2002, 10:19 AM
The latest is that the bastard killed a young woman and her 2-year-old daughter in the attack. Reading the account of the story Iâ€™ve come to wonder if they pick females as targets whenever possible.
05-27-2002, 11:17 AM
Clearly they pick women and children as targets. Sbarro's Pizzeria was filled mainly with moms and toddlers. The Dolphinarium Disco was filled with teens. In the past, Palestinian terrorists have targeted schools and school buses.
Oh, they also go after the disabled. Remember how they pushed that American Jew (was his name Klinghofer?) off the side of a cruise ship in his wheelchair?
Palestinian terrorists know that no matter how heinous their crimes, diplomats from all over the world (particularly Europe) will traipse to the disputed territories to meet with their dear old friend, Yaser Terror-fat.
05-27-2002, 11:32 AM
I've said this before and people think I'm kidding but I'm not. Go after them in kind. Go on a terrorist rampage against them. Go after schools hospitals, men, women, children and the old. Poison the water, the air, the land, burn, kill, maim and make no distinction. Make the stakes so high that the cost of a Palestinian victory is that no Palestinians survive that their 'country' is a smoking hole in the ground.
Is there a reason not to that doesn't have the words "world opinion" and "higher moral standard in it"?
Why the fork not? Bring down a rain of horror so massive that all the world's dissapproval will be at best a Pyrrhic victory.
05-27-2002, 11:55 AM
I don't think Israel should descend into Palestinian barbarism - at least, not yet.
Instead, I think Operation Defensive Shield should be stepped up. When a pocket of resistance is encountered as it was in Jenin or the Church of the Nativity, instead of sending in ground troops to minimize civilian casualties, Israel should think only of minimizing IDF casualties. Bulldozers and helicopter gunships seem to do the trick.
The other thing I think Israel should do is, rather than stopping house demolitions as some demand, increase them. The terrorists should see that places like Nablus and Jenin are in danger of being completely obliterated.
There should be some standard selected for the number of buildings to be bulldozed or blown up for each Israeli casualty. It should be announced that if terrorist attacks continue, the destruction per casualty will be increased.
Over time, if terrorist attacks continue a policy of housing destruction will drive Palestinians out of the territories.
The world can complain about the destroyed buildings and large numbers of "homeless." But Israel will be able to respond that destroying buildings does not compare to the homicide bombers' destruction of human life, and Israel guarantees it will stop destroying Palestinian buildings when the terrorist attacks that kill Israeli women, children, and elderly stop.
05-27-2002, 03:40 PM
They most likely kill female babies and women because itâ€™s more effective to eliminate a population using that method. It never really occurred to me that they were using that method until today. Apparently the suicide bomber walked up to the table where the woman and child were sitting and then detonated the bomb. Incomprehensible!
If humanity had retained the early to mid hundred 1900 mentality I think it would be easier for Israel to deal with their problem. It seems as if youâ€™re the US or Israel engaged in a conflict itâ€™s a big NO to harm civilians.
If the terrorists and their supporters are allowed to engage in battle this way Israel and the US might as well throw in the towel right now. What is happening in Israel is setting a terrible precedent and it may lead to Islamic Fundamentalism conquering the world.
05-27-2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by ibrodsky
instead of sending in ground troops to minimize civilian casualties, Israel should think only of minimizing IDF casualties. Bulldozers and helicopter gunships seem to do the trick.
At the same time, the entire PA infrastructure, including all remaining buildings and all personnel from the bottom up should be targeted for elimination.
The same goes for all mosques and community centers used for the incitement, recruiting and training of terrorists.
I also agree about the house demolitions, but it is possible that instead of just house demolitions, it is a matter of town demolitions. All civilians get a warning to leave the town from where the homicide bomber was launched, and then the entire town is turned into rubble, like in Jenin.
It seems that, unfortunately, this war against Arab terrorism is a war to the finish. The pinpoint strikes Israel is using, are not effective as a deterrent, and meanwhile more and more innocent Israelis are dying.
05-29-2002, 08:47 PM
What ever happened to the policy of retribution? Wasn't the payback ten for one, first offense and more severe as offenses multiplied?
05-29-2002, 10:07 PM
This site has a number of gruesome medical pictures of the severe injuries caused by suicide bombers. The deaths are horrible, of course, but the fact that the surviving victims suffer horrendously is sometimes overlooked.
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