I really don't want to make an issue of it,Jews hated why?

[goliath]

I can't write to you about a new issue about my Jewish community ,only about an ancient one :
Jews hated why???

This question it arose very often , and naturally we try to answer it in severals ways , including by unwiding the kaleidoscope of the ancient and long history of Judaism.
The most synthetic answer as for me is the following one :
The various Diasporae ,which where welcomed and often wished in various country of Europe ,sometimes existed during several centuries in some of these countries.
When the Jews were the object of pogroms ,pursuits ,legal or illegal discriminations ,they could not refer to some authority there ,and their only supports , what was finally for what people blamed them:
The allegiance in Judaism and their traditions, what differenciated them and served as excuse to persecute the communities in a repetitive way.
The Extermination by Nazis ,in summer the paroxystic event of all these pursuits , he had to be the last one , because his inventors wished profundly the total disappearance of our ethnic group , religious and laic.
This Extermination ,in partially failed.
This event not in step explained ,and passed on ,during more than fifty years,so much that some intellectuals specialized and awarded a diploma in Nazism and anti-Semitism ,allow to dispute it in their papers.
I remain persuaded that all the Jewish communities still existing on this planet ,including the Jewish Israelis ,are conciously or unconciously ,considered as annoying witnesses ,what activate permanently according to the events of the History ,this endemic anti-Semitism ,which is still alive and in very good shape.

[KettleWhistle]

Why are we hated? Well, I'd think that would depend. I know that I was born a Jew. There is nothing I can do about being a Jew, as there is no technology to change the sequence of my DNA or to replace my genes to turn me into a person of another ethnicity. I had about as much choice in belonging to Jewish people as I did about my hair and eye color. Of course, I could pretend that I'm something else, but I am not a self-hater. I'm perfectly content with being who and what I am.

And I have experienced hatred and persecution. When growing up in FSU, many hated me for being of different ethnicity, for having a father who's not an alcoholic, for willing to work to improve myself instead of working to mess-up people who are doing better than me, for not desiring to grow up and be a dirty blue-collar drunk.

But at the end of the day, what does any of this matter? Does it really matter why we are hated? I think not. What's important is for us to know who we are, to be true to our people, and to be strong, so that the haters won't be able to hurt us.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=KettleWhistle

Why are we hated? Well, I'd think that would depend. I know that I was born a Jew. There is nothing I can do about being a Jew, as there is no technology to change the sequence of my DNA or to replace my genes to turn me into a person of another ethnicity. I had about as much choice in belonging to Jewish people as I did about my hair and eye color. Of course, I could pretend that I'm something else, but I am not a self-hater. I'm perfectly content with being who and what I am.
You now in europe we were quasi underground ,especially in France ,just because that country was not feeling easy ,about the past,and even now they are not , so the general problem was put into a closet for decades ,and a large part of our people is not very interested in our community, and they will fade and disappear in one decade or two.
I'm also content of what I am ,and do not have to autoanalyse myself ,but it was not easy when you are 5 y.and people said :you have no right to exist and no right to live.

And I have experience hatred and persecution. When growing up in FSU, many hated me for being of different ethnicity, for having a father who's not an alcoholic, for willing to work to improve myself instead of working to mess-up people who are doing better than me, for not desiring to grow up and be a dirty blue-collar drunk.
So ,you did well, as you said ,the important point is : to now who you are .

But at the end of the day, what does any of this matter? Does it really matter why we are hated? I think not. What's important is for us to know who we are, to be true our people, and to be strong, so that the haters won't be able to hurt us.
You now ,I was thinking in the US ,maybe you have not that kind of anti-Semitism who is raising a bit more every day,really , but when I've read that post about Leonardo di Caprio and other actors who think they have to mark their position on that matter ,I do think even in the US something is araising about anti-Semitism, but i'm really smiling writing those words because I really feel strong and I will be for a while ,and when I read about internal policy in Israel ,I think they are missing or forgeting what the real target is ; vulnerant omnes ultima necat.

[Illuminatus]

quote:
[..Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. …

If the Jews are rich [these fanatics] are victims of theft.

If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule.

If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood.

If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared by their natures or traitors.

If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled.

If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so. ..]

Lloyd George quoted in 1923
Prime Minister, assisted with the authorship of the Balfour Declaration 1917

[KettleWhistle]

Yep, often that's the hand we are dealt. When I was about 10 years old, some kids I used to play with told me that apparently I was into drinking human blood. And they didn't make that up--their teacher told them so, and their parents confirmed that it was true. Makes me really appreciate the tolerance, and general common sense, in the U.S., and not having to deal with this kinds of prejudice is one of the reasons I love this country.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=KettleWhistle]
Yep, often that's the hand we are dealt. When I was about 10 years old, some kids I used to play with told me that apparently I was into drinking human blood. And they didn't make that up--their teacher told them so, and their parents confirmed that it was true. Makes me really appreciate the tolerance, and general common sense, in the U.S., and not having to deal with this kinds of prejudice is one of the reasons I love this country.[/QUOTE
That story of drinking blood ,comes from ancient times in Europe , I have seen a large painting in a church near Lodtz in Poland , that was three years ago ,the size of that painting is about Feet 3 X 4
It was showing a rabbe over a little babyboy on a red velvet cushion ,and the rabbe hold a large nife in his hand over the babbyboy . see the picture?
We wait for the priest and we asked him ,how he dared to expose that painting ,and for what reason he don't remove it.
Answer : It's a very old painting , people have made an habit of it ,that's all ,nothing doing.

[minusthejihad]

This is why I will send my kid to nursery school with some fake horns and tomato juice. They'll never mess with my kid again!

[Mediocrates]

My son told me he'll dress his kids in superhero halloween costumes all year long.

[Mil]

Old Soviet Joke:

Kids in school were asked to come dressed in their ethnic costumes. The Rabinovich family was preparing their child Zema (Zalmand) for the mascarade:

- A mink hat we can get from uncle Chaim
- A lynx coat we can get from aunt Sarah
- Gucci shoes we can get from uncle Moshe
- But where can we get a gold tooth?


I think the Jews have made an image for themselves :)

Another old Joke:


French:

1. One Frenchman - a lover
2. Two Frenchman - a duel
3. Three Frenchman - a Revolution

Germans:

1. One German - one soldier
2. Two Germans - two soldiers
3. Three Germans - three soldiers

Russians:

1. One Russian - Doesn't Happen!!!
2. Two Russians - A drink Fest
3. Three Russians - A drunk fight

Ukranians:

1. One Ukranian - a land owner
2. Two Ukranians - a partisan group
3. Three Ukranians - a partisan group with a traitor


Jews:

1. One Jew - A Trading post
2. Two Jews - An International Chess Competition
3. Three Jews - Symphonic Orchestra

[Mil]

Why do they hate us? We stick our nose EVERY-FREAKING-WHERE!!!!!

[minusthejihad]

Why do they hate us? We stick our nose EVERY-FREAKING-WHERE!!!!!

And they're jealous, but hey, I would be too. I'm one damned good looking Jew.

[goliath]

QUOTE=Mediocrates]
My son told me he'll dress his kids in superhero halloween costumes all year long.

The best material recommended should be KEVLAR , if you conceals your son to send his children to Poland and visit that church, in US you're safe for a while ..I do hope that ,black humour is not my favourite ,can we say black or dark humor?
And remember ,one of your superhero was tetraplegic and died six month ago.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=minusthejihad]This is why I will send my kid to nursery school with some fake horns and tomato juice. They'll never mess with my kid again![/QUOTE
Your kid doesn't risk anything ,if you're not married with a Jewish woman , he is not a Jew anymore, or you can change our family name , or migrate to Mexico , avoid Seattle and around it's an awfull area.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=minusthejihad]And they're jealous, but hey, I would be too. I'm one damned good looking Jew.[/QUOTE
You're maybe only two people who share that opinion :
Yourself and your mother , !

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Mil]Why do they hate us? We stick our nose EVERY-FREAKING-WHERE!!!!!
It's maybe the reason why they sketch us always with large noses..
I think is not always the truth , sometimes yes , let say most of the times yes.

[KettleWhistle]

I tend to think that it is my long and crooked shnobel (nose) that women find attractive. I don't mind, really.:D

[goliath]

if you say :women you're taking a bit risk of conflict with your wife ,and a discussion in view with a progressist rabbi...
But as the majority of US Jews non Hassid, you've chose a chkitze. :D

[KettleWhistle]

Ohh, that's not my wife.:) j/k

[b.scheller]

i must be mean, because my only comment is...that you should edit and not post 3 times in a row ;)

[goliath]

[QUOTE=b.scheller]i must be mean, because my only comment is...that you should edit and not post 3 times in a row ;)
I'm very polite ,and I always give personnal answer to anyone.
There is enough space on this forum's thread , :)

[Zlatorog]

Where did this happen

In Yougoslavia ,jews came back from death camps ,hung immediately by the villagers

Sounds like some Cold War craze to me. The borders were severely guarded and they sent people to specific locations, they knew exactly what they were doing . I also know the number of those executed in Istria and Friuli, but thet's an internal matter. Here's a pic of a Jewish Partisan who took care of the Jewish pensions of those Jews who left for Israel in 48

http://www.makabijada.com/images/majer005.jpg

Slovenia/Croatia

...After the capitulation of Italy the Germans and Ustashe entered the city of Split. The refugees from other Yugoslav areas who found shelter in the city of Split were the more fortunate ones. The Partizans succeeded to evacuate them in good time and to take them to the Island of Vis from where they were transported to Italy to reach El Shat, Egypt.

At the beginning of November 1942 the Jews were interned in four camps: one was near Dubrovnik, one in Kraljevica and one each on islands of Hvar and Brac. At the beginning of June 1943 the Jewish inmates of these four camps were concentrated in one camp, that on the island of Rab. In this camp about 3,500 Jews were interned. In addition to this Jewish camp there was on the island of Rab a Slovene camp, too, with a considerable number of Slovenes interned in it. The inmates of these two camps organized an attack on the camp guard and succeeded to liberate themselves. A great number of former Jewish inmates of the Rab camp, who regained their freedom, joined
the Liberation Army while the others were taken by the Partisans to the liberated areas of Lika, Kordun and Banija region...

...Under the Party instruction Dr. Leo Gerskovic and Dr. Andrija Remenji did succeed to reach Split, while Josip-Papo Polak was ordered to go to Sibenik. Roman Domani and Adolf Stajnberger, both veterans of the Spanish Republican Army, were deputed to the Kordun region, Ilija Engl to Zumberak, while Mosa Albahari was sent to the Istra area. Zdenko Has, Jaksa Singer, Miroslav Bauer, Reginald Vajs were among the organizers of the uprising in
Slavonija, Slavko Goldstajn in Karlovac, and Hugo Kon in Varazdin. Activists in charge of political work in the rear were: eng. Josip Engl, Djuro Engl, David Gaon, Magda Boskovic and Dr. Pavao Verthajm, while Pavle Pap, Dr. Leo Gerskovic, Leo Mates, Slavko Goldstajn and Hugo Kon were Party functionaries of high responsibility etc!!!

From September 1943 onward, Jews who were still alive joined the War of National Liberation practically en masse. Among these were first of all those who were confined to the camp on the Island of Rab, as well as those who were confined in Zone I and in Italy. When those confined to the Rab camp regained their freedom, a combat unit called the Jewish Rab Battalion was formed with a membership of 243 warriors. At a later date this unit was dissolved and its members were absorbed by the Partizan units operating on the territory of Croatia. After the liberation of the Rab camp an additional group of former inmates numbering 448 also joined the Army of National Liberation. These were sent to various partizan units on the territory of Croatia. In addition, 648 former inmates joined the Movement of National Liberation. Accordingly, from the Rab camp 1,339 former inmates joined the War of National Liberation (691 the Army and 648 the Movement)...

During this period one more combat unit was formed with solely Jewish membership. These were the Jews who were interned or confined in Italy. The unit they formed was the Jewish platoon within the Montenegro Battalion of the First Prekomurje Brigade. In addition, 1,282 more Jews joined the War of National Liberation in that period. Accordingly, from September 1943 until the end of the War 2,621 Jews joined the War of National Liberation. Of these 1,926 joined the Army of National Liberation (187 fell) and 695 joined the Movement of National Liberation (48 perished).

A certain number of Jews were during the war on high commanding military or
political functions (Pavle Goranin, Ilija Engl, Samuel Lerer and others) while Mosa Pijade was a member of the Supreme Staff of the Army of National Liberation.

[goliath]

Where did this happen
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zlatorog
Sounds like some Cold War craze to me.
Please Zlatorog if you quote a post of mine ,after a laps of time ,could you mention on which post I dared to wrote about Jews in Yugoslavia ,I only remember about Jews in Poland.
It's maybe time to shout : Abandon ship!



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[Zlatorog]

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[Mediocrates]

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[Zlatorog]

I still get This server speaks in pictures . Here's what some Finn did with a tragic/funny song

http://www.mikrokamari.fi/kreikka/karpathos/other/Karpathos_ouzo.wmv

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Zlatorog][

It doesn't matter
You're wrong in my opinion , if you're using a wrong reference concerning another person it's matter.and precisely when is my concerned,thanks in advance.

Thanks for the song you're proposing to us it's a greek one ,so ?
Have you move from Slovenia to Salonika ?
Ljubjana you're there when you're dreaming....all depend what kind of take off trip you're using and don't miss the landing one .

[b.scheller]

its quite sad when you hear the Poles defend the actions of the radical anti-semetic hicks in the Kielce massacre of 1946. claiming that they were communist sympathizers who had perpetrated the actions of the Home Army, which was still fighting the communist forces.

[goliath]

QUOTE=b.scheller
its quite sad when you hear the Poles defend the actions of the radical anti-semetic hicks in the Kielce massacre of 1946. claiming that they were communist sympathizers who had perpetrated the actions of the Home Army, which was still fighting the communist forces
Polish will be for a long time in the same position in facing the Russians ,even today, they suffered a lot under their dominaton .
And they are antisemitic by tradition for centuries , mentality doen't change , they are not all anti-Semitic ,let say 99% of the lower classes , and 50% of the intellectuals,it's kind of fanatism against us.

[KettleWhistle]

Poles claim they suffered under Russians. Ukrainians and Romanians claim they suffered under Poles. In reality it is all B.S.

[Zlatorog]

[QUOTE=Zlatorog][You're wrong in my opinion , if you're using a wrong reference concerning another person it's matter.and precisely when is my concerned,thanks in advance.

Thanks for the song you're proposing to us it's a greek one ,so ?
Have you move from Slovenia to Salonika ?
Ljubjana you're there when you're dreaming....all depend what kind of take off trip you're using and don't miss the landing one .

Thank you for your kind PM and reply. After the screening of the Italian movie "Il Curore nel Pozzo" on the Slovenian national television the Partisan alliance have decided to put money on the head of the Serbian actor Dragan Bjelogrdic. He portrays the negative character "Novak" who fires with his machine gun indiscriminately over Italian population, kills civilians in executions and puts them in "foibas". He also puts a school full of children on fire and is looking for his son, which is denied to him by an Italian teacher he raped 6 years ago. The Slovenian government has reacted calmingly, telling that it is sorry for the millions of Italians the communists have killed and run out of thier own territory.

Wanted (http://drepank.myphotos.cc/govedo/slike/wanted.jpg)

Not to be taken seriousely, he's a great actor!

[goliath]

QUOTE=KettleWhistle
Poles claim they suffered under Russians. Ukrainians and Romanians claim they suffered under Poles. In reality it is all B.S.
And Russians claim for the USSR return ,but it has never changed ,Putin and the Nomenklatura are still in command , none debate about that,why ?
About Polls ,what about the Katin massacre ? forgot ?
What is not B.S. in your life ,your son , family , as everybody.

[b.scheller]

One thing I dont understand is why, such anti-Polish sentiment is strong amongst most Jewish people while anti-Russian sentiment is low. My Israeli friends are mostly Russian Jews, who emigrated after the crumble of the USSR. Yet, perhaps due to their age they dont feel any anti-Russian sentiment even though anti-semitism was always the most rampant in Russia and the Soviet Union?

Can anyone explain this?

[goliath]

One thing I dont understand is why, such anti-Polish sentiment is strong amongst most Jewish people while anti-Russian sentiment is low. My Israeli friends are mostly Russian Jews, who emigrated after the crumble of the USSR. Yet, perhaps due to their age they dont feel any anti-Russian sentiment even though anti-semitism was always the most rampant in Russia and the Soviet Union?

Can anyone explain this?
To understand those points ,which they are not simple , but kind of reputation will probably disappear , in the both countries ,Jewish community
was suffering a lot of terrible things,you can search on the net and have all the details if it suits you.
When people is able to go in a little Jewish village a sunday , when the women are in church ( Orthodox Christian ) and the men decide to enter in a village , raping some poor women and killing men in a horriblre way ,and all of this in the Jesus's name and also mainly in Vodka's name.
The Polish in majority were collaborating actively with the SS as the Ukrainians did in killing Jews ,and the list is very long ,God should make an effort but...He is probably elsewhere very busy.

[Mediocrates]

Polish antisemtism is like Arab antisemitism. It's a kind of pure unadulterated hatred because it exists in the almost complete absence of Jews. You'd be hard pressed to find a Pole, or an Egyptian or and Iranian or a Syrian who has ever met or spoken to a Jew or knows someone who knows someone who has. It is the most irrational and impenetrable kind of hate - like saying "I hate the Devil".


That's really the key difference.

[goliath]

Anti-Semitism till now ,has not be demonstrated in being part of the genom 's chromosomes , it is clearly transmited by tradition and education , the day ( we have to wait several years or maybe decades) scientist can make the proof of an hereditary patrimony being part of the Genom's chromosomes , I will change my opinion if I'm still alive , if this hypothesis can be confirmed , I will be a bit sad ,because this will to admit that the Hitler's theoryconcerning the bad or good heredity were right , since yet the hereditary patrimony is limited to the general physical aspect , and some functional predisposition , malfunction ,or slight impairing and we now perfectly the sequences , concerning the aptitudes or more , we are yet in the total ignorance and the rest is only theory,our brain is a very complex and misterious admirable machine.

[goliath]

My ideal Jewish community should be like this :

A few parameters provided by Talmudic Scholarship ,and Israel.B.Eliezer (Ba"al Shem Tov ) Master in the Good Name . B.S.T. stressed the value of Devotion
Honesty
Humility,
If a person can follow this guideline , in being very religious or less ascetic in his lifestyle ,and think that God is present in all things ,and all manifestation of life is divine.
That person is not very far to have the right attitude and understanding for the other people ,which is very rare nowadays.

[goliath]

The Israeli left ,will be highly guilty as regard the decline and the forward disappearance of Judaism and our ethnic group .

[goliath]

Some of us are tried to analyse the difference existing between the various diasporae , it is a method which underlines the lack of unity of our ethnic group , the extreme example is given by the "Falasha".
If we don't accept ourselves , whom will do it ?

[Chris_number1]

Why do people hate Jews? Jews through history have had a very rough time. Most ethnic groups especially in the past had experienced a lot of persecution in foreign lands, this is nothing new. Europe was a fully established Christian continent in the past and so the Jews were persecuted for being so called traitors.

The recent rise of hate I believe against Jews is due to Israel. There are also still the old age stereo types of Jews that Europeans express i.e. their greedy, don’t’ socialize with non-gentiles etc.

Another reason why there is a hate towards Jews is jealousy. Jewish communities I believe are very close, their families are close and they have a healthy family balance. They have traditions, a language, an alphabet and a religion dating so many thousands of years ago. They are also considered and to some extent an ethnic group.

Because of there well organized families and communities, Jewish people are very successful (I believe) and are academically smart because of family moral support. They have very successful businesses and thus gain a lot of wealth. That is not to say that they haven’t worked hard for what they have, but their families and people around help each other in achieving their goals.

Most gentile families aren’t close and don’t help each other achieve their goals. They have no tradition and do not practice a religion or a code of conduct. They’re all very selfish.

The hate people feel against Jews is Jealousy. They also hate the fact that they separate themselves from other communities and peoples and only conduct business and hang out with their own people. This isn’t the case with all Jews however I don’t however blame Jews for separating themselves from these communities.

I talk as a Christian Gentile from London, and I have also had a fascination with Jew’s and their communities. I must admit, living in one of the most multi cultural societies in the world, I haven’t a Jewish friend or even met a Jew. There are many Jews in London but yet I haven’t met one or talked to one?!

I am not trying to imply Jews are wrong for not communicating with me, because I understand why. It’s the old saying “Birds of a feather stick together”. This is another reason why people don’t like Jews. On the other hand, if you disagree with my points then please correct me.

Just to let you know, I don’t hate Jews or wish them harm.

[minusthejihad]

Welcome to the board.

My thought is that maybe London isn't as diverse as it appears, there is a small quiet Jewish population, or that community isn't very open? I'd love to visit London and learn about the neighborhoods, its something taht interests me about all cities.

Anyway, in my metropolitan area, Detroit (a very diverse city), it's almost impossible not to run into Jews, Arabs, Indians, etc. Luckily and through the help of some of the local religious, social and philanthropic organizations, our communities get along very well. But then again, it is the US and as my Muslim friends and I often say, "Only in America"!

[Toga]

Why do people hate Jews? Jews through history have had a very rough time. Most ethnic groups especially in the past had experienced a lot of persecution in foreign lands, this is nothing new. Europe was a fully established Christian continent in the past and so the Jews were persecuted for being so called traitors.

The recent rise of hate I believe against Jews is due to Israel. There are also still the old age stereo types of Jews that Europeans express i.e. their greedy, don’t’ socialize with non-gentiles etc.

Another reason why there is a hate towards Jews is jealousy. Jewish communities I believe are very close, their families are close and they have a healthy family balance. They have traditions, a language, an alphabet and a religion dating so many thousands of years ago. They are also considered and to some extent an ethnic group.

Because of there well organized families and communities, Jewish people are very successful (I believe) and are academically smart because of family moral support. They have very successful businesses and thus gain a lot of wealth. That is not to say that they haven’t worked hard for what they have, but their families and people around help each other in achieving their goals.

Most gentile families aren’t close and don’t help each other achieve their goals. They have no tradition and do not practice a religion or a code of conduct. They’re all very selfish.

The hate people feel against Jews is Jealousy. They also hate the fact that they separate themselves from other communities and peoples and only conduct business and hang out with their own people. This isn’t the case with all Jews however I don’t however blame Jews for separating themselves from these communities.

I talk as a Christian Gentile from London, and I have also had a fascination with Jew’s and their communities. I must admit, living in one of the most multi cultural societies in the world, I haven’t a Jewish friend or even met a Jew. There are many Jews in London but yet I haven’t met one or talked to one?!

I am not trying to imply Jews are wrong for not communicating with me, because I understand why. It’s the old saying “Birds of a feather stick together”. This is another reason why people don’t like Jews. On the other hand, if you disagree with my points then please correct me.

Just to let you know, I don’t hate Jews or wish them harm.

You have not ran into a Jew in London?

Ha...nice try! I believe you!

On the other hand, let me give a hint. We have horns! So, it is hard not to notice us. By the way, do you know who Michael Howard is? He appears regularly on the British TV and is definitely horny. No wonder he is Jewish.

[goliath]

Why do people hate Jews? Jews through history have had a very rough time. Most ethnic groups especially in the past had experienced a lot of persecution in foreign lands, this is nothing new. Europe was a fully established Christian continent in the past and so the Jews were persecuted for being so called traitors.

Right Pio XII in particular was not so friendly with us (Jews).

The recent rise of hate I believe against Jews is due to Israel. There are also still the old age stereo types of Jews that Europeans express i.e. their greedy, don’t’ socialize with non-gentiles etc.

Anti-semitism is not recent, and you are using all the well-worn cliche , Jews represent even now a diversity .

Another reason why there is a hate towards Jews is jealousy. Jewish communities I believe are very close, their families are close and they have a healthy family balance. They have traditions, a language, an alphabet and a religion dating so many thousands of years ago. They are also considered and to some extent an ethnic group
I could envy the Protestant bankers who are running the world ,but I be part of the non-jealous Jews.

Because of there well organized families and communities, Jewish people are very successful (I believe) and are academically smart because of family moral support. They have very successful businesses and thus gain a lot of wealth. That is not to say that they haven’t worked hard for what they have, but their families and people around help each other in achieving their goals.

Another cliche , we do have all kind of representative humanity sample,Jews are not all rising from the ranks.

Most gentile families aren’t close and don’t help each other achieve their goals. They have no tradition and do not practice a religion or a code of conduct. They’re all very selfish.

Did you make a serious inquiry on that matter?

The hate people feel against Jews is Jealousy. They also hate the fact that they separate themselves from other communities and peoples and only conduct business and hang out with their own people. This isn’t the case with all Jews however I don’t however blame Jews for separating themselves from these communities.
In my opinion is not jealousy , is intolerance and stupidity.

I talk as a Christian Gentile from London, and I have also had a fascination with Jew’s and their communities. I must admit, living in one of the most multi cultural societies in the world, I haven’t a Jewish friend or even met a Jew. There are many Jews in London but yet I haven’t met one or talked to one?!
I really hope that one day you will met a Jewish who can give you an enlightenment about your query, but of course you are aware about Jesus was a Jew?
I am not trying to imply Jews are wrong for not communicating with me, because I understand why. It’s the old saying “Birds of a feather stick together”. This is another reason why people don’t like Jews. On the other hand, if you disagree with my points then please correct me.
I can't agree with your point , but if you stay with all these cliche ,it's ok by me.
Just to let you know, I don’t hate Jews or wish them harm.
It's a relief you're saying that you're not hate Jews ,if you were ,it could be terrible for all of us.. :)are you in advertising business ?

[SteveK]

....

The recent rise of hate I believe against Jews is due to Israel.

....

I talk as a Christian Gentile from London, and I have also had a fascination with Jew’s and their communities. I must admit, living in one of the most multi cultural societies in the world, I haven’t a Jewish friend or even met a Jew. There are many Jews in London but yet I haven’t met one or talked to one?!

......

I don’t hate Jews or wish them harm.


Chris_number1,

Then, where in the world do you get all of your information to make such conclusions as presented in your post about the Jews if you have absolutely no experience with them, their habits, families, and culture?

And, was your opinion formed that the "rise in hatred" against the Jews is "due to Israel" from the BBC?

But, do you hate the Israelis and wish us harm?

[Chris_number1]

Welcome to the board.

My thought is that maybe London isn't as diverse as it appears, there is a small quiet Jewish population, or that community isn't very open? I'd love to visit London and learn about the neighborhoods, its something taht interests me about all cities.

Anyway, in my metropolitan area, Detroit (a very diverse city), it's almost impossible not to run into Jews, Arabs, Indians, etc. Luckily and through the help of some of the local religious, social and philanthropic organizations, our communities get along very well. But then again, it is the US and as my Muslim friends and I often say, "Only in America"!


I think you underestimate how many foreigners living in London. When I went to school it was hard to see a white boy. Most of my friends are arabs, iranians and turks. The quote only in America maybe true in some casses but I don't think you can compare detroit to london. If you said New York then you would maybe have a point.

There is also all the Europens who are coming to my country because of the EU. If you go outside, on a bus or train you don't hear english. England is a very tolerant country, and all the foreigners who I have met who have lived in America say "England is more tolerant".

I Don't want to create a war here, the only point I want to make is London is very very diverse and anyone living here will tell you.

[Chris_number1]

I obviously watch the news but I don't beleive everything that is said. When you watch Israeli news or if an arab watches Al-jazeera then the conclusion to the palestinian/israeli conflict will be a bias one.

I Don't want to get in a war of who is right and who is wrong, I didn't post to debate about this. My view on this matter is God's will is in everything, let the politicians be politicians, in my eyes they are all the same.

People think I am arrogant in displaying my views or points on Jews even though I haven't met or talked to one. My points are expressed through others perceptions. I think there is a Jealousy towards Jew's Because they are a successful race.

Ofcourse they have had many troubles but time and time again they have got through the Bad. They are strong minded people and I trully beleive good family environment, self-identity and religion are a perfect receipe for success. The Jews have this.

Not all people have hate towards Jews, the problem is they haven't met jews or understand nothing about your culture. Yes there arrogant, but arrogants comes in all forms. Some jews are arrogant and some arn't. Some are good and some are bad.

That is my views on all races.

[Chris_number1]

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Why do people hate Jews? Jews through history have had a very rough time. Most ethnic groups especially in the past had experienced a lot of persecution in foreign lands, this is nothing new. Europe was a fully established Christian continent in the past and so the Jews were persecuted for being so called traitors.



Right Pio XII in particular was not so friendly with us (Jews).

-I bet Pio XII didn't love the Muslims either.


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The recent rise of hate I believe against Jews is due to Israel. There are also still the old age stereo types of Jews that Europeans express i.e. their greedy, don’t’ socialize with non-gentiles etc.



Anti-semitism is not recent, and you are using all the well-worn cliche , Jews represent even now a diversity .

-Racism isn't a word that is centered around jews, racism comes in all forms. Some arabs would say jews are Anti-Semitic!


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Another reason why there is a hate towards Jews is jealousy. Jewish communities I believe are very close, their families are close and they have a healthy family balance. They have traditions, a language, an alphabet and a religion dating so many thousands of years ago. They are also considered and to some extent an ethnic group


I could envy the Protestant bankers who are running the world ,but I be part of the non-jealous Jews.

- People are jealous of minority groups that are successful



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Because of there well organized families and communities, Jewish people are very successful (I believe) and are academically smart because of family moral support. They have very successful businesses and thus gain a lot of wealth. That is not to say that they haven’t worked hard for what they have, but their families and people around help each other in achieving their goals

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Another cliche , we do have all kind of representative humanity sample,Jews are not all rising from the ranks.

- lol, but can you honestly tell me Jewish families arn't very close and that there communities arn't?


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Most gentile families aren’t close and don’t help each other achieve their goals. They have no tradition and do not practice a religion or a code of conduct. They’re all very selfish

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Did you make a serious inquiry on that matter?

- Yes, the exception of other foreign minoritys, English families are not as close nit. I only have to look at my own family. I only have to observe my other close friends families, i feel there is something missing.


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The hate people feel against Jews is Jealousy. They also hate the fact that they separate themselves from other communities and peoples and only conduct business and hang out with their own people. This isn’t the case with all Jews however I don’t however blame Jews for separating themselves from these communities.


In my opinion is not jealousy , is intolerance and stupidity.

- You have a point, but jealousy can be added.


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I talk as a Christian Gentile from London, and I have also had a fascination with Jew’s and their communities. I must admit, living in one of the most multi cultural societies in the world, I haven’t a Jewish friend or even met a Jew. There are many Jews in London but yet I haven’t met one or talked to one?!


I really hope that one day you will met a Jewish who can give you an enlightenment about your query, but of course you are aware about Jesus was a Jew?

- I hope I will one day, I'm sure there just normal and have no horns ;) No but really, It would be great.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Chris_number1]Quote:
Right Pio XII in particular was not so friendly with us (Jews).
-Racism isn't a word that is centered around jews, racism comes in all forms. Some arabs would say jews are Anti-Semitic!
It could be , but you have better time to learn something about us in order to get an opinion and have a discussion with Your arguments.
- lol, but can you honestly tell me Jewish families arn't very close and that there communities arn't?
didn't say that, our families have for us a completely normal attitude.
Most gentile families aren’t close and don’t help each other achieve their goals. They have no tradition and do not practice a religion or a code of conduct. They’re all very selfish
They should be closed, maybe Jesus didn't explain clearly enough.
- Yes, the exception of other foreign minoritys, English families are not as close nit. I only have to look at my own family. I only have to observe my other close friends families, i feel there is something missing. Change family.

- You have a point, but jealousy can be added.
They are a lot of Muslim in London , but you could easely meet a Jew.
If you really wants to learn about us ,read a little before and come on the forum and ask question ,it's simple.

[Chris_number1]

I have read a lot about jews and their history. My arguments arn't facts, just telling you how other people perceive your people - especially in Europe.

I think some of my points have been valid, though there is a whole lot more that can be added.

I think we could learn a lot more about other races and people, not all of us are experts!

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Chris_number1]I have read a lot about jews and their history. My arguments arn't facts, just telling you how other people perceive your people - especially in Europe.
In Europe , people in general have not a clue about Judaism , and the perception depend of the person and his education and culture,as for everything in life,which is short.
I think some of my points have been valid, though there is a whole lot more that can be added.
Ignorance is a sin ( it's my leitmotiv )
I think we could learn a lot more about other races and people, not all of us are experts!
It exist only one race on earth , Human Race.
Please try to avoid schisophrenia which is endemic nowadays.

[goliath]

Of course the people don't want war ,
But after all ,it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy ,and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along wether it's a democracy a fascist dictatorship ,or a parliament ,or a communist dictatorship ; Voice or no Voice ,the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders,
That is very easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked , and denouce the pacifists for lack of patriotism ,and exposing the country to a greater danger !!

-- Hermann Goering proclaimed so at the Nuremberg trials.

[Leon]

Jewish communities I believe are very close, their families are close and they have a healthy family balance. They have traditions, a language, an alphabet and a religion dating so many thousands of years ago. They are also considered and to some extent an ethnic group.

Because of there well organized families and communities, Jewish people are very successful (I believe) and are academically smart because of family moral support. They have very successful businesses and thus gain a lot of wealth. That is not to say that they haven’t worked hard for what they have, but their families and people around help each other in achieving their goals.

Most gentile families aren’t close and don’t help each other achieve their goals. They have no tradition and do not practice a religion or a code of conduct. They’re all very selfish.

Italian, Greek, Asian (chinese, Indian) are far more closer, more organised and have better networking and tend to help each other out more. If I was to go for a job interview and a Jew was to take it...fat chance that my identity would play apart in me getting the job. Whereas for someone who is Chinese, Indian, or Greek -- if they were interviewed by one of their own...they would have a better chance of getting a job.


The hate people feel against Jews is Jealousy. They also hate the fact that they separate themselves from other communities and peoples and only conduct business and hang out with their own people. This isn’t the case with all Jews however I don’t however blame Jews for separating themselves from these communities.

I can tell you now, that out of all communities the Jews (secular Jews - who are in the majority amongst Jews in particular) are the most open and engaging. Here in Australia for example, out of all communities/minorities - the Jews have been the most active in combating racism, sexism, and promoting reconcilition between White Australia and the Aboriginies. The same story exists in South Africa and America - where Jews were at the forefront of the anti-apartheid and civil rights movements. In every western society Jews participate in every aspect and part of that society - be it politics, music the arts - more so than any other minority or ethnic group. Even in Australia, where Jews make up less than o.1% of the population - the first Governer General (representative of the British Monarch and subsequent Australian head of state) was Jewish, another more recent governor-general was Jewish, the most famous Australian war hero and military general was Jewish, the most famous Australian philantropists and buisness people are Jewish...just shows that contrary to the suggestion that Jews live a ghetto like existence - they are very much apart of the societies in which they live in...more so than Australian Greeks, chinese, Italians or Lebanese whose numbers are far greater.

Today in the US, around 50% of the Jewish population has married out and assimilated. This was just like Germany before the war. Before Hitler's rise to power in Germany, German Jews were the most assimilated Jews in the world. To them being German came first over being Jewish...and in most cases they were more German than the Germans. This is precisley what caused anti-semitism and so much resentment amongst Germans and precisley what fuels a large part of the antisemitism today.

[goliath]

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Today in the US, around 50% of the Jewish population has married out and assimilated. This was just like Germany before the war. Before Hitler's rise to power in Germany, German Jews were the most assimilated Jews in the world. To them being German came first over being Jewish...and in most cases they were more German than the Germans.
Leon ,I like you very much , but your explanation seems to be kind of discrimination ,it's sound like if you were a Sefarad Jew who as usual don't appreciate a lot the Ashkenaz german Jews , but remember ,you have not to worrie about the German Jews ,the large majority of them were killed by order of a German who decided and organized so , I will see if in the record Hitler was not a secular Jew who felt more German of an Austrian-German Jew.
Australia is far from everywhere , wine is good and very heavy in alcool degree , the sun is shinning over head , sometimes seems to be a burden on the shoulders , nevertheless it's make me feel a bit sad reading your lines , that you are adressing to a Christian guy , who after that can have a bad opinion on us ,if is not yet the occurence.
This is precisley what caused anti-semitism and so much resentment amongst Germans and precisley what fuels a large part of the antisemitism today, but I'm sure you can't deny that as a religious man.
And it's also not very fair for the poor people who died the way you now , religious or not we have to not forget this in our memory , it's a duty to be tolerant with the Jews assassinated that way ,some young babies had no time in order to became ,religious or not ,their faith were Alea jacta est.

[Leon]

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Australia is far from everywhere , wine is good and very heavy in alcool degree , the sun is shinning over head , sometimes seems to be a burden on the shoulders ,

ure point is? (if you are trying to suggest that Australian wine is better than French wine - point taken).

Leon ,I like you very much , but your explanation seems to be kind of discrimination ,it's sound like if you were a Sefarad Jew who as usual don't appreciate a lot the Ashkenaz german Jews , but remember ,you have not to worrie about the German Jews ,the large majority of them were killed by order of a German who decided and organized so , I will see if in the record Hitler was not a secular Jew who felt more German of an Austrian-German Jew


that you are adressing to a Christian guy , who after that can have a bad opinion on us ,if is not yet the occurence.
This is precisley what caused anti-semitism and so much resentment amongst Germans and precisley what fuels a large part of the antisemitism today, but I'm sure you can't deny that as a religious man.
And it's also not very fair for the poor people who died the way you now , religious or not we have to not forget this in our memory , it's a duty to be tolerant with the Jews assassinated that way ,some young babies had no time in order to became ,religious or not ,their faith were Alea jacta est.

Goliath, I was mereley addressing Chris's contention that Jew hatred is a result of Jews living a ghetto like seculded existence where they dont mix with anyone but Jews in addition to the contention that Jews are successful because they have close and very good personal/family net working.

At the very start, Chris was kind enough to acknowledgethat he did know much about Jews since he had very minimal or no contact at all with Jews. In response to the perspective that he had on the Jewish people, I happened to point out that contrary to the belief that Jews live seculded lives they happned to be very engaging and participate in all aspects of their adopted socieities - possibly more so than any other ethnic minority group, whether in the US, Australia or Europe. I also pointed out that the strongest antisemitism/Jew-hatred ever to come out was from Germany and even the Soviet Union - where Jews were assimiliated right into the population. In fact German Jews and to some extent later Russian Jews - were the most assimliated and integrated Jews to their respective societies - more so than any other Jews. German Jews (who included those who founded the reform movement), for one, tried at best to forget about their Jewish backgrounds...or be Germans of "mosiac persuasion."

How would you explain the phenemonon of anti-semitism that was unleashed from those countries - a type of antisemitism never seen before?

I certainly dont dismiss that Jewish seculsion fuels anti-semitism...but the exact opposite does not douse the flames of Jew-hatred either and has unfortunatley proven the contrary.

As for networking - Jews dont even compare to Asians, Greeks, Italians and other minorities. In that regard I wish Chris was right and we as Jews could learn allot from these other minorities when it comes to helping your fellow brothers and sisters.

I dont see anything wrong with my argument and how it will further inflame "Jew-hatred" and aside from ure comment on Australia and its wine - I'm sorry that you had to come to such a conclusion.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Leon]ure point is? (if you are trying to suggest that Australian wine is better than French wine - point taken).
Leon ,I'm not proud about French wines , and about a very few things from French , it was only kind of allusive word to underline your fickerness, concerning our communities .
Goliath, I was mereley addressing Chris's contention that Jew hatred is a result of Jews living a ghetto like seculded existence where they dont mix with anyone but Jews in addition to the contention that Jews are successful because they have close and very good personal/family net working.
It's not true anymore ,except concerning the New York's community.(raffly)
At the very start, Chris was kind enough to acknowledgethat he did know much about Jews since he had very minimal or no contact at all with Jews. In response to the perspective that he had on the Jewish people, I happened to point out that contrary to the belief that Jews live seculded lives they happned to be very engaging and participate in all aspects of their adopted socieities - possibly more so than any other ethnic minority group, whether in the US, Australia or Europe. I also pointed out that the strongest antisemitism/Jew-hatred ever to come out was from Germany and even the Soviet Union - where Jews were assimiliated right into the population. In fact German Jews and to some extent later Russian Jews - were the most assimliated and integrated Jews to their respective societies - more so than any other Jews. German Jews (who included those who founded the reform movement), for one, tried at best to forget about their Jewish backgrounds...or be Germans of "mosiac persuasion."
I'm not sure of the interest concerning Christian on that matter ,I only can add as a short resume concerning the German Jewish community before WW2 , it should be a long story but I'll make it short :

A religious community which settles down in a country in which another religion is dominant and accuses us to have "murdered" their God is fragile ; and during the time is not easy to pass on the religion,the customs in an Orthodox way ; it is almost impossible to prevent certain religious to answer to the appeal of the integration and possibly of the conversions.

The Jews were welcome and welcome as such under the Prussian's regime,who appreciated the development of the business and other activities.
The Reform it is obviously an evolution which was not appreciated by the Orthodoxes Jews and considered as a treason.

Two generations were enough for transforming the Germans of GDR into more Soviet than the Soviets citizens ,even nowadays the contesting is not ended and their assimilation is not easy at all.

No religion managed to preserve the original form or rites which are sometimes contradictory with the rhythm in countries says developped.
To pratise a complex religion is a privilege or a total renunciation of the outside events of the society.

How would you explain the phenemonon of anti-semitism that was unleashed from those countries - a type of antisemitism never seen before?
Antisemitism can seems very low during a certain period , but it still exist and can be reactivated readily everywhere even in your country.

The Jews in Germany were of the order of 500.000 persons ,and they brought in numerous domains a lot ; but as usually they became the perfect target when the times became difficult ,and were sacrificed under the sorry and friendly glance of the whole world.

Stalin represented most great danger ,we were guilty only for Deicide and ready under the hate of all the others to be the "thing" who must disappear.

I certainly dont dismiss that Jewish seculsion fuels anti-semitism...but the exact opposite does not douse the flames of Jew-hatred either and has unfortunatley proven the contrary.
But we died for..
As for networking - Jews dont even compare to Asians, Greeks, Italians and other minorities. In that regard I wish Chris was right and we as Jews could learn allot from these other minorities when it comes to helping your fellow brothers and sisters
Any person is a human even a Jewish one , and the help you're talking about goes with the personality and feelings of each one of us.

I dont see anything wrong with my argument and how it will further inflame "Jew-hatred" and aside from ure comment on Australia and its wine - I'm sorry that you had to come to such a conclusion.

This is a "public" board ,and we have to be a bit circumspect , you don't now really who's who right?

[MGB8]

Um... ever heard of the Inquisition, the pogroms, the Holocaust or Stalin's mass murder of Jews?

Probably haven't ever heard of dhimmitude, either, eh?

Oh, by the way, I expect you to move out of Australia right now and return to England, but since England was probably invaded and conquered by your ancestors, too, I expect you to return to mainland Europe.

[golani]

Jews have been no more hated than any other group in history Jewish suffering pales in comparison to that of the Aborigines of Australia the Natives of America and those of Africa their suffering continues to this very day . And dont blame Christianity afterall Christianity was invented by Jews in the first place and brought by Jews to Europe . The fact was that Jews , in Europe , were ,alongside Gypsies a visible minority that stood out Jews for their religion and Gypsies for their skin tone .


Today its blacks and Asians being the most visible groups which are the source of hate in Europe .

I live in europe, blacks and asians are never harassed nor hated

Why must our synagogues ,schools and people be protected???

Get out out of your neo marxist rhetoric ...

With the gypsie to a lesser extent,we are the only people who underwent
"industrial" slaughter:IT IS NOT A PRIVILEGE

And by the way,german jews did not stand out bfor their religion,most were being assimilated into the mainstream society
They were not dressed as "typical" easten jews,spoke german,many had fought for german in ww1 and many had nothing to do with judaism but their names...
Your ignorance is abysmal,stop polluting this forum and go and read some books (not the small red one...) :rolleyes:

[KettleWhistle]

Jews have been no more hated than any other group in history Jewish suffering pales in comparison to that of the Aborigines of Australia the Natives of America and those of Africa their suffering continues to this very day . And dont blame Christianity afterall Christianity was invented by Jews in the first place and brought by Jews to Europe . The fact was that Jews , in Europe , were ,alongside Gypsies a visible minority that stood out Jews for their religion and Gypsies for their skin tone . Today its blacks and Asians being the most visible groups which are the source of hate in Europe .
It never amazes me how ignorant some people can be.

No more hated? Really? How about the Catholic doctrines that blamed Jews for the murder of Jesus, and officially declared them to be second-class citizens? Ever heard of prohibition of land ownership, which put them below the peasant class in the Medieval social order? Ever heard of laws restricting Jewish activities to banking--a profession that was considered immoral and was looked down upon by others until the modernization of 18th century? Or the Jewish ghettoes that were initially established in Italy by the Popes?

And that's aside from the government-incouraged anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe, and constant massacres of Jews there.

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[goliath]

[QUOTE=Brian Foley]Jews have been no more hated than any other group in history Jewish suffering pales in comparison to that of the Aborigines of Australia the Natives of America and those of Africa their suffering continues to this very day . And dont blame Christianity afterall Christianity was invented by Jews in the first place and brought by Jews to Europe . The fact was that Jews , in Europe , were ,alongside Gypsies a visible minority that stood out Jews for their religion and Gypsies for their skin tone . Today its blacks and Asians being the most visible groups which are the source of hate in Europe .

We were the object of constant discrimination and persecution ,and the last one ,was organized to make desappear our people .
Other people were persecuted in the mean time , the Hitler object was the Jews ,and he commit suicide before giving to us the reason why he was so decided to eliminate us ,the last word from Adolph : continue to kill the Jews.!!!
Brian ,I wouls like to suggest a test for you , is not an emergency ,but do it please without fail and give us the result ;
You chose for instance the Walkirie of Wagner ,if you can ear that music more than 5 minute ,and stay in you armchair without be invaded by a irrepressible willing to invade Poland , you're lost for our cause.!!

[Leon]

Jews have been no more hated than any other group in history

Were other groups accussed of "killing and crucifying G-d", murdering christian children for their passover meals or running, controling and cynically manipulating the world's governments and media?

I suppose Judas was an Aboriginal, Shylock was an Native American indian and Fagan was a black African and "the elders of Zion" were combination of all these.


Jewish suffering pales in comparison to that of the Aborigines of Australia the Natives of America and those of Africa their suffering continues to this very day .

Yep all these fell victims to a systamatic, industralised mass genocide via the gas chambers and mass shootings, were over 60% of them (6 million out of eleven million) perished in a space of 5 years.

[Womble]

Hi! I am a white American who does not like Jews. I am not entering this message to troll. Merely trying to initiate some discussion on why Jews might be disliked and also to get alternative views from Jews about my reasoning.

I dislike Jews because:

1. Jews control the media. They do not sell to non-Jews so they can control public opinion and push their Zionist agenda.

2. Jewish Lobby in Washington has way too much power. I don't like that I have to question some moves as to whether they benefit my country or Israel.

3. September 11th Attacks and hate among Arabs & Muslims against Americans. I believe we got attacked for supporting Israel and are hated and still a terrorist target because of Israel. Putting our country in danger is not worth it.

4. The Jewish Supremicists' war against white, Christian, Western society. The Jews are trying to destroy white, Christian Western society by telling white people that they should be ashamed of having pride in themselves and their heritage. They also promote policies of mass immigration to Western culture to wipe out white society and create social unrest that will lead to the breakup of nations.

5. I believe Isreal to be a terrorist nation. What they do to supress the Palistineans is awful.

6. Jews promote "multiculturalism" and intermarriage for everyone else but only promote sticking to their own when it comes to Jews.

7. Jewish support in starting groups like the NAACP and everything they can do to prop up minorities and erradicate the white people from America. (Their love for these ethnics is funny because it has been proven that over 30% of blacks and Hispanics are anti-Semitic, I guess they just want more hate against themselves).

8. Constant harping about the Holocaust. Yeah, it was bad, but its not the only attrocity to ever happen and it certainly wasn't the worst human act in history. Jews use the Holocaust and anti-Semitism as a crutch to blow off anyone who criticizes them.

Anyway, those are just some reasons why I dislike Jews and why I think Jews are destroying my country.

So let me summarize it. The Jews control the media. The Jews control the minds of the "white Christians" by appealing to their conscience (how dare they? White Christians should know no shame! :rolleyes: ). They wield so much political power they exersise total control of the "white, Christian" society in all its aspects, from immigration to demography to foreign politics. The Jews promote equal rights for minorities, despite the fact that it does not benefit them (which sort of demolishes your own claim that they are out to "push their Zionist agenda", but never mind that). Moreover, the Jews are just as powerful on the global scale and are capable of causing the "breakup of nations".

In other words, you are convinced that the Jews consistently outperform the "white Christians" economically, politically, organizationally and (most importantly) intellectually. Congratulations on making a case for Jewish superiority :D

I know why you REALLY dislike us, satellite. When you think so highly of us, your only choice is either to hate us or to worship us.

P.S. Damn, I wish he was right and we really were that powerful.

[Reffo]

No, I don't think highly of you. I think you are parasites and that is why you have been kicked out of so many countries so often through out history.

Look at the stuff the Jew media is promoting: hip hop, homosexuality etc. That could only come from a money-grubbing morally bankrupt race.

The anti-American lobby AIPAC must die and the Jew stranglehold on the media be abolished. The problem is once these Jews get ahold of something, they don't let it go, only passing power onto other Jews.Are all Jews the same or is there a similar diversity of opinions, attitudes, likes, dislikes, hates, wealth, poverty, brains, stupidity as among all other people ? Or do you think that Jews are special and they ALL act with uniformity of purpose (every man, woman and child) ?

[Reffo]

No, I don't think highly of you. I think you are parasites and that is why you have been kicked out of so many countries so often through out history.I assume you approve of Jews being kicked out ?

5. I believe Isreal to be a terrorist nation. What they do to supress the Palistineans is awful.I assume you want Jews to get out of "Palestine", no place for them there, is there ? So I don't have to be a genious to figure out what your preferred agenda is for the Jews. It wouldn't be another holocaust, would it ?

[Womble]

No, I don't think highly of you. I think you are parasites and that is why you have been kicked out of so many countries so often through out history.
Ahh, but all your examples of why the Jews are supposedly bad boil down to the fact that they are too powerful in the press, in the government and pretty much everywhere. That is, they are better in competing for positions of power, and the "white Christians" (come on now, let's call the cat by it's name, white worshippers of a dead Jew they are ;)) are no match for them (or else there wouldn't be such a total Jewish domination everywhere, now would there?)


Look at the stuff the Jew media is promoting: hip hop, homosexuality etc. That could only come from a money-grubbing morally bankrupt race.
Morality? Which morality? It wouldn't, by any chance, happen to be the Jew worshipping Christian morality?

*pulls the dusty old copy of the New Testament gotten ages ago from some door-to-door annoyance squad of Jehovah's witnesses.*

"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.” (John 4:19-22)


The anti-American lobby AIPAC must die and the Jew stranglehold on the media be abolished. The problem is once these Jews get ahold of something, they don't let it go, only passing power onto other Jews.
And not sharing it with poor ickle you, who would LOVE to feel big and powerful, but is neither willing nor capable to do anything to deserve it? Yes indeed, I can see the problem, hehehehehe :D

Go back to Stormfront, satellite.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=satelliteHi! I am a white American who does not like Jews. I am not entering this message to troll. Merely trying to initiate some discussion on why Jews might be disliked and also to get alternative views from Jews about my reasoning
Are you family with Joseph-Paul Goebbels ?

I dislike Jews because:

1. Jews control the media. They do not sell to non-Jews so they can control public opinion and push their Zionist agenda
We need a Country to avoid guy's more or less like you.

2. Jewish Lobby in Washington has way too much power. I don't like that I have to question some moves as to whether they benefit my country or Israel
Only in Washington ? no kidding !!

3. September 11th Attacks and hate among Arabs & Muslims against Americans. I believe we got attacked for supporting Israel and are hated and still a terrorist target because of Israel. Putting our country in danger is not worth it.
Bin Laden seems to be a great psychotic , and he desired to become a "chief" in his special field : terror and fanatism.

4. The Jewish Supremicists' war against white, Christian, Western society. The Jews are trying to destroy white, Christian Western society by telling white people that they should be ashamed of having pride in themselves and their heritage. They also promote policies of mass immigration to Western culture to wipe out white society and create social unrest that will lead to the breakup of nations.
Have you got that in "Mein Kampf" ?

5. I believe Isreal to be a terrorist nation. What they do to supress the Palistineans is awful.
This is an Israel forum , not a place promoting the NAZI party.

6. Jews promote "multiculturalism" and intermarriage for everyone else but only promote sticking to their own when it comes to Jews
Check it better ,and get back.

7. Jewish support in starting groups like the NAACP and everything they can do to prop up minorities and erradicate the white people from America. (Their love for these ethnics is funny because it has been proven that over 30% of blacks and Hispanics are anti-Semitic, I guess they just want more hate against themselves).
This seems to be from the "Protocol of the Elder of Zion ?

8. Constant harping about the Holocaust. Yeah, it was bad, but its not the only attrocity to ever happen and it certainly wasn't the worst human act in history. Jews use the Holocaust and anti-Semitism as a crutch to blow off anyone who criticizes them.
We have a lot of criticism on our shoulders actually ,thanks.

Anyway, those are just some reasons why I dislike Jews and why I think Jews are destroying my country.
If your country is Israel , we are not destroying , we are promoting ,fanatics doesn't understand that point :
We need our country , in order people like you can't destroy people like us , as you did it before.

[Zlatorog]

Hi! I am a white American who does not like Jews. I am not entering this message to troll. Merely trying to initiate some discussion on why Jews might be disliked and also to get alternative views from Jews about my reasoning.

White Jews, white Muslims, white Slovenes, Croats, Serbs here. Background:


Slovenia formed part of the former Yugoslavia from 1918 until it seceded from the Yugoslav Federation in 1991 and won its independence in a 10-day war. Bordered by Italy, Austria, Hungary and Croatia, and with a brief stretch of coast along the Adriatic Sea, Slovenia is roughly the size of Israel, encompassing 20,000 square km. The Slovenes, a Slavic people, first appeared in the region in the latter part of the 6th century.

Most of present-day Slovenia was ruled by the Habsburgs until the dismemberment of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and Slovenia's present borders encompass territory that historically formed parts of Habsburg-dominated Carniola (central Slovenia), Styria, and Carinthia, as well as Hungary and Italy. Under the Habsburgs, all Jews were expelled from the region between the late 15th and early 18th centuries. Only a few Jews moved back in the 19th and 20th centuries. Throughout the territory of present-day Slovenia, Jewish communities existed in many towns from the 12th or 13th century.

It is also likely that there was a Jewish presence in the region in antiquity, when several Roman towns, such as Emona (Ljubljana), flourished. Chance archeological finds, such as an oil lamp inscribed with a menorah found in a graveyard in Skocjan, which probably dates from the 5th century, confirm that Jews were present in the region at that time. There is no evidence, however, for continuity between this 5th century relic and the 12th century, when new Jewish settlers are known to have arrived in the region -- some coming from Central Europe, and others from Italy.

Documents indicate that many Jews owned property in Styria, including vineyards and mills. This prosperity ended in 1496, when the Emperor Maximilian ordered the expulsion of Jews from Styria and Carinthia. In 1515, the Jews were also expelled from Ljubljana. Many urban Jews then settled in Slovenian villages, until in 1718, during the reign of Charles VI, all Jews were expelled from the region. In 1808, the Napoleonic conquests and the creation of the Illyrian Provinces of the French Empire made it possible for Jews to settle in Slovenia, but few did, and in 1817 the emperor Francis forbade Jews from settling in Carniola.


I dislike Jews because:

1. Jews control the media. They do not sell to non-Jews so they can control public opinion and push their Zionist agenda.

My favourite shrink is Jovan Byford.

Some more history:

Anti-something propaganda, not Jewish (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p1/einrucken.jpg)

A Jewish doctor remembered (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p26/Dr.-Porges.jpg)

Not so long ago (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p26/Juden-sind-in-offentlichen..jpg)

Minority rights (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p26/Tabelle-1-(Gewerbebetriebe).jpg)

Kapital (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p26/Tabelle-2-(Kapital).jpg)

Hmm (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p26/Tabelle-3-(Forstwirtschaft).jpg)

What happened (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p26/St.-Veit-ist-judenrein.jpg)


2. Jewish Lobby in Washington has way too much power. I don't like that I have to question some moves as to whether they benefit my country or Israel.

Of course, our allies bombed us too (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p28/s53-maribor.jpg), we don't mind.

3. September 11th Attacks and hate among Arabs & Muslims against Americans. I believe we got attacked for supporting Israel and are hated and still a terrorist target because of Israel. Putting our country in danger is not worth it.

That's an old problem. (http://www.scalahousepress.com/reviews/alamut-Afterword.php)

4. The Jewish Supremicists' war against white, Christian, Western society. The Jews are trying to destroy white, Christian Western society by telling white people that they should be ashamed of having pride in themselves and their heritage. They also promote policies of mass immigration to Western culture to wipe out white society and create social unrest that will lead to the breakup of nations.

Actually, they don't, they'd soon become a scapegoat among different ethnicities.

5. I believe Isreal to be a terrorist nation. What they do to supress the Palistineans is awful.

I think they are often confused, because they come from so many different bacgrounds. A border dispute from not so long ago (http://gostje.kivi.si/total/p27/KARTA-RUSEVIN-1.jpg)

6. Jews promote "multiculturalism" and intermarriage for everyone else but only promote sticking to their own when it comes to Jews.

I think they mostly stick to their own, at least in Europe.

7. Jewish support in starting groups like the NAACP and everything they can do to prop up minorities and erradicate the white people from America. (Their love for these ethnics is funny because it has been proven that over 30% of blacks and Hispanics are anti-Semitic, I guess they just want more hate against themselves).

If so, they'd promote immigration to my country which is 100% white.

8. Constant harping about the Holocaust. Yeah, it was bad, but its not the only attrocity to ever happen and it certainly wasn't the worst human act in history. Jews use the Holocaust and anti-Semitism as a crutch to blow off anyone who criticizes them.

During the Cold War the Wiesenthal Center actually 'overlooked' a lot of history because of too many ethnicities that were still hostile to one another. Yad Vashem simply copied some of that stuff. Because! they never get involved in disputes like these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jasenovac_concentration_camp).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by satellite
Hi! I am a white American who does not like Jews.

I like you because you are honest and there seems to be no BS about you...unlike those modern day (usually leftist) politically correct anti-semites who really p8ss me off.

and while ure at it - exactly what is my personal stake in the media? do I have any (i'm talking about me personally)? how about any secret swiss bank accounts...i'm kinda broke at the momement and need some cash so if i got any stakes or shares in anything (since as a Jew I get to rightfully own/inherit some of these things...dont I?) please let me know and I will sell it or pawn it off for quick $$$.

[Leon]

oh and do i get a share in Iraqi oil?

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Leon]oh and do i get a share in Iraqi oil?

Dear Leon..

Please don't get involved in oil business ,it's not a decent job ,and it has no future..
I remember once ,you were asking me if French FBI (RG) could monitoring me ,in fact I'm under control since a long time ago ,and if by the way you intend to call me , please take care about the subject.
I think you are a religious person ,and I would like to ask you ,do you think the fact Jews has the Bible (our Bible) ,and the New Testament came by definition after ,that can be a serious motivation in order to hate us ,without our Bible ,the New Testament can't exist ?

[USMedstudent]

I think it mainly comes down to the stupidity of people and their tendency to fear what they see as, "other". Sadly, we have been histories perpetual "other". We have been a succesful, educated people; ready to fill important roles in society such as law, medicine, and administration. This has only worked to inflame the uneducated masses, who would distrust us even if this were not so.

We are forever the bogeyman "Christ killers". An image that has been etched into the minds of Christians and nonChristians.

The world will always hate someone, and the hatred of jews ruins deep. So deep is it entrenched in many cultures, that I doubt they realize why they hate us at all. I remember when I was a kid and would hear many kids (9-10 year olds) calling people "jews" derogatively - what possibly could a Jew have done to them? I still hear such things (the fact that I don't look stereotypically jewish makes me privy to many anti-semitic statements from people) and I still don't know why these people are anti-semites.

[USMedstudent]

6. Jews promote "multiculturalism" and intermarriage for everyone else but only promote sticking to their own when it comes to Jews.


Umm..the interfaith marriage rate of Jews in America is something like 50%...

[goliath]

[QUOTE=USMedstudent]

We are forever the bogeyman "Christ killers". An image that has been etched into the minds of Christians and nonChristians.
In spite of what was "saying" by John-Paul the Second , yes we are considered as "Christ killers" and that "idea" is promoted from the beginning by the same religious authorities just because we were a permanent thread to them..
The world will always hate someone, and the hatred of jews ruins deep. So deep is it entrenched in many cultures, that I doubt they realize why they hate us at all.
Some people realize ,and some don't ,it depend of their cultural's level.
I remember when I was a kid and would hear many kids (9-10 year olds) calling people "jews" derogatively - what possibly could a Jew have done to them? I still hear such things (the fact that I don't look stereotypically jewish makes me privy to many anti-semitic statements from people) and I still don't know why these people are anti-semites.
I remember when I was kid , at six year old ,I was wearing a big yellow star , I was the only one in my class , it was a bit hard and sad,and one day I get back from school ,asking to my father, Dad , I don't want to be a Jew anymore, I remember he smiled with a good sweet smile ,and answered nothing .
I remember also what he said ,and that will be ingrave in my memories for ever :
Son ,my boy ,I don't understand what those people have with that story about Jesus , no man can kill God , and moreover he has been the object of a resurrection the day after !
I was six y.old ,and that was kind of explanation for a kid of my age , but even nowadays it seems to me very sensible.
People are anti-Semites just because Christian authorities drove that fact all along during centuries , and people who are generally afraid by death, have to find a way to feel better , and forget that end , the only real liberty a man have , is to commit suicide ( Henry Millon de Montherland )
He commited suicide on 1972 ,so he was in agreement with his words.

[Dale Cooper]

[QUOTE=Zlatorog]
My favourite shrink is Jovan Byford.

Who's he? :confused:

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Dale Cooper][QUOTE=Zlatorog]
My favourite shrink is Jovan Byford.
Who's he? :confused:

Dear Dale Cooper..,

Jovan Byford is a lecturer in psychology , near the Nottingham Trent University.....You could find that in one minut on the web.

Best regards.

[Dale Cooper]

Point taken! Why is he Zlatorog's favourite shrink. Plus he's not a shrink...

[Zlatorog]

Point taken! Why is he Zlatorog's favourite shrink. Plus he's not a shrink...

He dug up some medieval nonsense.

[KettleWhistle]

Hi! I am a white American who does not like Jews. I am not entering this message to troll. Merely trying to initiate some discussion on why Jews might be disliked and also to get alternative views from Jews about my reasoning
Are you family with Joseph-Paul Goebbels ?

Possibly. Here's his picture: http://img163.echo.cx/img163/5894/kkkparty3hm.jpg

He is the guy on the right.

[Semsem]

Look at all the French Jews who converted. And so many hide their Jewishness. Recently 2 French celebrities came out of the closet about their Jewishness.

What about De Caprio???? Can you explain.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Semsem
Look at all the French Jews who converted. And so many hide their Jewishness. Recently 2 French celebrities came out of the closet about their Jewishness.

It's that a French speciality especially about celebrities ?
Semsem ,you can't imagine how many celebrities in US ,now and in the past were and are hiding their Jewishness,I can give you a list , a very long one ,but I do think it's useless , If you were in Germany on 1933 , did you run by a Nazi telling him : look look ! I'm a Jew ?
You surely now Kirk Douglas right ? he his very old and still alive , he his a Jew and was born in Poland , he never said a word about that during almost fifteen years , and when he get 75 y.old he began to talk more or less about that ,but the important point is not to tell to the other that or this ,is what you thinkand feel deeply in your insight .
In Hollywood only the producers were officially Jewish , and I think concerning the actors ,it's the producers who concealed to not reveal their origins,that was not politically correct ,and maybe they fear about the success of their movies ,if the actor was displaying a Jewish name.

What about De Caprio???? Can you explain.
Do you mean Leonardo could have SOME Jewish origin ?
So , what about that ? it's bothering you if he didn't said so ? do you now if he feel Jewish ? If he don't no matter about that , if he really feel Jewish , maybe he prefer to have a larger audience or something , it's not a serious problem, don't you think so ?

[Dale Cooper]

What 'medieval stuff' has he dug up?


DC

[Zlatorog]

What 'medieval stuff' has he dug up?


DC

A few examples of conspiratorial and mythical antisemitism.

[Mil]

Posted by Goliath:


You surely now Kirk Douglas right ? he his very old and still alive , he his a Jew and was born in Poland , he never said a word about that during almost fifteen years , and when he get 75 y.old he began to talk more or less about that ,but the important point is not to tell to the other that or this ,is what you thinkand feel deeply in your insight .

???? Everyone knew he was Jewish and he never made a secret out of it. You forget movies made in Hollywood about Israel starring Kirk back in the sixties.

Actually I don't know too many Hollywood actors who hide their Jewishness or are even able to hide it. For Billy Crystal or Barbra Streisand or Seinfeld and quite a few others it's really hard to hide that. :)

[KettleWhistle]

Hanuka song, anyone?

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Mil]
???? Everyone knew he was Jewish and he never made a secret out of it. You forget movies made in Hollywood about Israel starring Kirk back in the sixties
Wrong ,you're refering about today , I was talking about another period , after mr. Mc Carthy , it was difficult to not tell to everybody on what political and Jewry you were.
Actually I don't know too many Hollywood actors who hide their Jewishness or are even able to hide it. For Billy Crystal or Barbra Streisand or Seinfeld and quite a few others it's really hard to hide that. :)
Seinfeld is from N.Y...Streisand and Crystal ...good shoot..!
And another fact but it seems that you don't read my words , tell us for instance : Is Mickel Douglas ( Kirk's son he has two ) a Jewish ???
And what characteristic should have a person to be classify a Jewish...??

[minusthejihad]

[QUOTE] Is Mickel Douglas ( Kirk's son he has two ) a Jewish ???
And what characteristic should have a person to be classify a Jewish...??

Is Adrian Brody a Jew? Sure looks like on of dem Yids! Toga may not think so, but the KKK and about 50 million people who saw The Pianist think so! Hehe!

[goliath]

[QUOTE=minusthejihad][QUOTE=goliath]
Is Adrian Brody a Jew? Sure looks like on of dem Yids! Toga may not think so, but the KKK and about 50 million people who saw The Pianist think so! Hehe!
The real question could be :
Is Roman Polanski a sincere Jew ?
Does he give the Première in Warsaw ?
Does he get money and help from the Polish Gov.
Can he get back to the US ,without going straight in jail??
If 50 million people think Adrian Brody is a Jew .....that can't be a false information ....!!
And Brody has interest to be part of our Jewish mafia...

[goliath]

You didn't answered about Michael Douglas...too uneasy.?

How do you "recognize a Jew" ,passport like in ex USSR , or SUSS , other?

Take care..

[Mil]

goliath,

In fact we look like everyone else :)

It's like that episode of Seinfeld when Jerry, George, Eilene, and Kramer were invited to a "Jewish Singles Night."


Kugels, Tsimmes, & Jewish Singles
Jerry, Kramer, and Elaine at the coffee shop.


Jerry (reading): Jewish singles night?

Kramer: I expect you both to be there.

Elaine: I'm not Jewish.

Kramer: Well neither am I.

Jerry: Well why are you going?

Kramer: I'm not, I'm running it.

Jerry: What are you talking about?

Kramer: Well Lomez, he usually runs it but he's in the Everglades.

Jerry: Lomez is Jewish?

Kramer: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Orthodox, Jerry. Old school.

Elaine (reading): At the Knights of Columbus?

Kramer: Yeah, Frank Costanza, he's getting me a room at his lodge. So Jerry, you know I'm really counting on you to come to this.

Jerry: Kramer, you know, I--

Kramer: No, Jerry, look, I'm cooking all the food myself.

Elaine (reading): A tempting schmear of authentic Jewish delicacies.

Kramer: Do you like tsimmis?




..... All of the main actors are Jewish + Newman.

[Mil]

Jerry and George at the coffee shop. Tim Watley, a dentist who is a friend of Jerry, enters.



Jerry: What's up?



Tim: I'll tell you what's up. I'm a Jew.



Jerry: Excuse me?



Tim: I'm a Jew. I finished converting two days ago.



Jerry: Well... (Thinking of something to say) Welcome aboard.



Tim: Thanks.



George: Hey, were you just at the health club?



Tim: Oh, well, I didn't do much. I just sat in the sauna. You know, it was more like a Jewish workout. I'll see ya. (Jerry and George give confused looks.)...

[Mil]

Goliath, you would be suprised but many Jewish actors in USSR almost never hid that particular fact.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Mil]Goliath, you would be suprised but many Jewish actors in USSR almost never hid that particular fact.
We are not talking about the same thing , my question was not a free one..
The Michael Douglas 's mother is French and not Jewish and not converted...
I'm not talking about actor ,just about Jewish people ,if they do think they are Jewish ....it's ok..
If people around are saying : they are Jewish ,it's another song...Do you get the point ....?

[Mediocrates]

~Beverly Sills~
~Lauren Bacall~

case closed.

[goliath]

Ok.dok...case burried ..
Anyway it's very likely quite ever almost impossible to now who is this or that ,we are more or less anonym...so we go to the case 12 we don't get the money,we don't pass by the start case and we go straight in jail.
We feel always guilty or alike , I'm sure we could have any info. about why people love us, it's not completely unreal to think that,but even inthat case that's could be a positive /negative discrimination.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Mil]Goliath, you would be suprised but many Jewish actors in USSR almost never hid that particular fact.

Mil , you've probably heard about Marc Chagall , well he is now well none to be a Jewish painter pertaining to the school of Paris..right..?
During WWII he escape from France and flew to New-York ,and there he spent his time and get back to Paris in 1945 , I new him very well , as a friend , it's a forum you can get that or not , I tell you that ; Chagall in France was never going to the synagogue ,and during our numerous talk ,facing me he never pronounce the word : Jew ,the reason can be multiple , and many motivation could explain or justify that attitude ,but it's a fact,and time to time I'm still asking me the reason why..I have no answer for that...And in that position he was not the only one , I just pick his name just because he his famous..

[Shala]

I am trying to understand where did you get this idea? :confused: History aside,I don't think antisemitism is widely-held,correct me if I am wrong :rolleyes:

But,ok,I am not fimilar with this issue

[Womble]

[QUOTE]

Mil , you've probably heard about Marc Chagall , well he is now well none to be a Jewish painter pertaining to the school of Paris..right..?
During WWII he escape from France and flew to New-York ,and there he spent his time and get back to Paris in 1945 , I new him very well , as a friend , it's a forum you can get that or not , I tell you that ; Chagall in France was never going to the synagogue ,and during our numerous talk ,facing me he never pronounce the word : Jew ,the reason can be multiple , and many motivation could explain or justify that attitude ,but it's a fact,and time to time I'm still asking me the reason why..I have no answer for that...And in that position he was not the only one , I just pick his name just because he his famous..
And yet Chagall was very Jewish, especially in his paintings. He even had Yiddish idioms encrypted into some of his paintings (like "his head flies", "working with seven fingers" and such).

Oh and HOW DARE YOU EVEN HINT THAT MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER'S COUSIN MARC WAS NOT JEWISH ENOUGH!!!!!!!! ;)

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Shala]I am trying to understand where did you get this idea? :confused: History aside,I don't think antisemitism is widely-held,correct me if I am wrong :rolleyes:

But,ok,I am not fimilar with this issue

Dear Shala....

I didn't have to dig to find that idea ,it didn't flourish in my brain , it's only a matter of what kind of youth and education you got ,and many other things ,you seems to be new on that matter , good to you , reading on the web it's really a great thing ,touch the thing with your very hand it's different, unfortunately people on a forum are mostly believing you desire to win the Nobel Price , or you're bluffing , or faking ,or talking (by writing about rubbish ,just to make believe that your're a great person etc etc ..
So ,in conclusion to make that story short ,you can have any opinion you like it doesn't affect me , experience is a "thing" by definition you can't transmit , especially when you have zero credibility....right..???

[Shala]

goliath, I'm just trying to understand this issue,just a question for you,did you ever felt discrimination against yourself because of your religion? (considering you are jew?) In where you live..

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Shala]goliath, I'm just trying to understand this issue,just a question for you,did you ever felt discrimination against yourself because of your religion? (considering you are jew?) In where you live..[/QUOTE
Shala , In fact I have not felt discriminaton ,I was the object of many extreme discrimination , but your question is because of my religion ..Because of my future religion (I was only five y.old ) , I'm not really sure if you wants to read this , concerning the religion in fact I had only one , which was the end of religion :
I was five ,my father took me for a walk telling me he wanted to introduce me near a Rabbi, (I didn't new what was exactly a Rabbi ,I hope you do so..)so we walk about 20 mnts. and we arrived facing a very large massive wooden portail ,we entered and my father pushed a door situated on ground floor ,and we were straight in a class-room ,situated under the class of a very well famous "grande école" E.S.A : Ecole supérieure d'Agronomie...
So , I had a glance over about 25 young children who were the noose in their book,and all wearing a kippa , the teacher The Rabbi was on a large rostrum ,kind of stage , and seeing my father and I arriving he immediately look at me with a very intelligent smile ,the man was kindness and intelligence , the interview was very short , I was thinking that my father had the occasion to talk with that person before our arrival....
So the Rabbi look at me telling : Very well my children , you will come back next thursday ( thursday in France is a free day concerning the state school) and we'll begin to teach you , ....I remainded enchanted ,even today ,I can't explain the reason why....
And when we returned on the spot next thursday , we found a large wood plank accross the large door , and in red an inscription :
JEWS GET OUT...!! we were on 1941..

Concerning my ethnical origin , yes I have had not only feelings but negative act ,and about 75 people of my direct family and more other relatives ,they all perished in the concentration camps..
One cousin of my mother is probably living in Israel ( I don't now his family's name unfortunately , and one brother of my father escaped to USA ,he left a skating rinK in New-York,(and now it's Trump who put his name on because he said he paid for the renovation ) and also an old castle which he bought in France and sent stone by stone in the US, and since that period every year you have a classic music concert in that castel ...nice....?
The details concernng after 1941 are very sad ,and I think it's very easy to imagine what could happened to a Jewish family...

[Hippo]

Hi there.

Nobody hates jews in India. Peacful co-existence since the ages.

However, nobody likes Israelis very much and are barred in some places. Reason being we get mostly kids from the army who don't spend much money, behave very badly with locals and then accuse people of being anti-semites. You will not make friends this way.

[Hippo]

Oh by the way, I'm generally interested in eastern europe and am wondering what kind of a relationship did jewish people as a group, have with the gypsies? Did they also hate them like the rest of the europeans did?

[MGB8]

The Israelis that go to India have become a bit of a phenomenon. Israelis aren't Americans or even Europeans, they don't have as much money to spend. More than that, the stories I get are about them going post service, to sort of decompress (usually through a drug induced haze).

I don't know about the Jewish relationship with Gypsies in Eastern Europe. I'd be surprised if there really was much of any relationship, positive, negative or otherwise. Jews to a large extent kept to themselves, at least in Eastern Europe (the more west, the more integrated, is my general understanding.)

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Hippo]Oh by the way, I'm generally interested in eastern europe and am wondering what kind of a relationship did jewish people as a group, have with the gypsies? Did they also hate them like the rest of the europeans did?
Your question is in the mean time too vague and too precise ,I think as a group they had no particular relationship with the Gypsies , and it depend on what period you're thinking about , religious Jews were in their Jewish group , and having a more or less normal life ,and it is really sufficient in order to fill a life ..family, children , how to earn life,religious studies ,as everybody has to do..
Nevertheless , in my family they were several musician , and one of my uncle by alliance (is that in english ? ) he married a sister of my father..so,he was a very good singer and a extremely sensible guitarist,he spent his life time with the tzigane or gypsies..and make a carrier with them, the relationship were very good , and they've spent several years in Paris,and ingrave a lot of records, this is mainly a "musician story" and the music was the vector and catalyst of that kind of great frienship in order to collaborate in music ,he died seventeen years ago , in my little sphere ,I have no example of particular attitude between Jews and Tzigane , if you exclude the fact ,they were chased and killed by the teutons , and they probably unfortunately meet in the camp , and even there ,they were not in the same barraks....

[minusthejihad]

The Israelis that go to India have become a bit of a phenomenon. Israelis aren't Americans or even Europeans, they don't have as much money to spend. More than that, the stories I get are about them going post service, to sort of decompress (usually through a drug induced haze).

I read that article too, I think it was in JPost by Caroline Glick.

[minusthejihad]

[QUOTE]
Nevertheless , in my family they were several musician , and one of my uncle by alliance (is that in english ? ) he married a sister of my father..so,he was a very good singer and a extremely sensible guitarist,he spent his life time with the tzigane or gypsies..and make a carrier with them, the relationship were very good , and they've spent several years in Paris,and ingrave a lot of records, this is mainly a "musician story" and the music was the vector and catalyst of that kind of great frienship in order to collaborate in music ,he died seventeen years ago , in my little sphere ,I have no example of particular attitude between Jews and Tzigane , if you exclude the fact ,they were chased and killed by the teutons , and they probably unfortunately meet in the camp , and even there ,they were not in the same barraks....

Now that is an interesting story. I love hearing people's family histories and the amazing lives some of them have lived.

[Hippo]

It's interesting how the fate of the jews and gypsies seems so similar yet differs so greatly.

The gypsies were purged since they first came to europe, it was even legal to kill one. They had to live in certain areas etc. At Nuremberg, they had no representation so the charges were declared void and certain war criminals got away.

While jewish people had a homeland to go to after the war, the gypsies had nothing. They're poor people, discriminated in education, housing and jobs. Many of the former camps for gypsies in czech republic were turned into pig farms. They had to stay and live with the same people who purged them. They're still attacked and killed by Neo-Nazis and others in Czech and Slovakia and the police/court does nothing. Many gypsies in eastern europe live in third world conditions without even basic water or electricity. There are reports of doctors in slovakia using forced sterliization on gypsy women. Gypsies in many places are banned from entering the townships and public areas. If somebody is attacked by a gypsy, then the whole community is purged. It's business as usual.

Even arabs hate gypsies. There was a small article about an arab man trying to break a 10 year old gypsies arms in front of an IDF soldier in Gaza. The soldier did nothing since to him, they all looked the same.

Anyhow, if you want some love, perhaps you can help give love to those who are less fortunate than you. Cheers!

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Hippo]It's interesting how the fate of the jews and gypsies seems so similar yet differs so greatly.
Their fate differs just because the philosophy of life and religion are completely different ..
Concerning the Jews ,it's the religion who permited the conservation of our group in a relative homogenous group ..
Gypsies ,can't stand no authorities (religious or other ) interfering in their life , and it's easy to talk about the entire group ,which now are separate in diaporae ,they even don't speak the same language ,with sometimes no similitude in between them ,but the way of life didn't move ,and they are all the same , they want freedom ,the real one ,which is no allowed anymore by our chief in command.
To survive they get independant occupation ,and sometimes they do curve the neck to one chicken or maybe two...
The gypsies were purged since they first came to europe, it was even legal to kill one. They had to live in certain areas etc. At Nuremberg, they had no representation so the charges were declared void and certain war criminals got away.
Gypsies came from India , and they always beiing part of a most vulnerable community , and this made all the brutality and injustice were allowed against them ..
While jewish people had a homeland to go to after the war, the gypsies had nothing.
Jewish people had a homeland after the war ?
Who had a homeland ? the death people ? the survivors ? what are you talking about , Jews who were still alive after the Genocide were a few and mentaly destroyed...do you now what mean :brain exploded ?

They're poor people, discriminated in education, housing and jobs. Many of the former camps for gypsies in czech republic were turned into pig farms. They had to stay and live with the same people who purged them. They're still attacked and killed by Neo-Nazis and others in Czech and Slovakia and the police/court does nothing. Many gypsies in eastern europe live in third world conditions without even basic water or electricity. There are reports of doctors in slovakia using forced sterliization on gypsy women. Gypsies in many places are banned from entering the townships and public areas. If somebody is attacked by a gypsy, then the whole community is purged. It's business as usual.
Agree , but our komrad Stalin helped to make disappear the Gypsies...
In the part of the world it exist a big problem they are very vulnerable and not wanted..as usual ...they have no rentability..

Even arabs hate gypsies. There was a small article about an arab man trying to break a 10 year old gypsies arms in front of an IDF soldier in Gaza. The soldier did nothing since to him, they all looked the same.
What about an IDF soldier , all the trial members are strange..
You could maybe also break my harms or I maybe wish to break yours ,it depend the reason why....but it could ...

Anyhow, if you want some love, perhaps you can help give love to those who are less fortunate than you. Cheers!
As you said....and you ? did you help anybody ?

[Hippo]

Well it's very simple. If you want other people to care about your problems then you have to care about theirs.

And I would have thought that since both groups were purged for such a long time, that you might have some empathy for them, but you sound very selfish and bitter. Ok man, I won't come to this forum again. Take care of your own problems.

Cheers. :D

[Zlatorog]

It's interesting how the fate of the jews and gypsies seems so similar yet differs so greatly. The gypsies were purged since they first came to europe, it was even legal to kill one. They had to live in certain areas etc. At Nuremberg, they had no representation so the charges were declared void and certain war criminals got away.

Hi. Can you tell us in which country it was legal to kill a gypsy? Do you have any links of the Roma and the Holocaust?

While jewish people had a homeland to go to after the war, the gypsies had nothing. They're poor people, discriminated in education, housing and jobs.

Do you perhaps know, which country was the most successful at being the first one that had these problems solved?

Many of the former camps for gypsies in czech republic were turned into pig farms. They had to stay and live with the same people who purged them.

Czechoslovakia had camps for gypsies before the war?

They're still attacked and killed by Neo-Nazis and others in Czech and Slovakia and the police/court does nothing.

Everyone's nervous because of that, it's in the press all the time. But the human rights organisations and the EU institutions have a lot of weight letely.

Many gypsies in eastern europe live in third world conditions without even basic water or electricity.

Many would have lived that way anyway - there are huge differences. If you are familiar with their parliamentary group in Italy, we have such a group here. They come from an area