the Jewish lobby (AIPAC)

[Pushtak18]

I think that when TV and Media tells that the strongest force in washington today is the AIPAC, which might even be stronger than the NRA, is totally wrong.


I think that this is one of the many propogandas that Arab have on Israel, the west, and the US.

Israel, yes it has alot of strenght in Washington, but has anyone asked why?

Well, ofcourse, in America they are around 7 million jews, but it doesn't make sense, does it?
You can say the same thing for France whom have 5 million arabs and yet the French government is very biased to israel.

The reason for all this is that back in the cold war, Arabs including the palestinians sided with the communists forces. They relied on there MIGS and at that time high-tech weaponry to eventually wage war on Israel.
Israel, which was a small, democratic state, then tunred to the west. In the early days it got help from many of the european nations such as England, France and Czechloslovakia.....and ofcourse the US.

The Arabs, never made any major dimplomacy with the Americans. They always sided with the Russians.

the Russians went broke, and communism fell. The whole regime fell as well and the Russians broke away leaving the arab world futile and without a friend.

Ever wondered why we had a Madrid summit in 1991 :)

If Russian fell in 1995 we could have had it a year later! :)

Bunch of wussys they are!

[L@mplighterM]

The US has supplied many (if not all) of the Arab States with arms. Muslim countries like Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq have all been benefactors of American weaponry.

[Pushtak18]

true,


but we are talking here about 1970s and down...

The Iraqis got support from the Americans cause they wanted to take down and overthrow the regime. Iraq was no friend to the US, but nor was a Hostile Iran.

Iraq lost America's temper and thus, the Iranian-Contra affair occured.

The Afganis got the same from the U.S because of there support to end the soviet occupation.

Sure, muslim countries can buy things from the U.S, even more so, back in the 1980's the Indoneisan govt' went to Israel and bought some Used IDF planes... :)

[gev]

now, every Arab state that gets with the program - make peace with Israel and show at least some good will is getting in the pay roll: Egypt and Jordan are now getting financial support from the US.
about the Cold war: yes at first it was because of the side the Arabs picked, now it's against the terrorism they harvest, why Dick chany said that he thinks Arafat should be hang? thats not something you say if you dont beleive in: Jewish lobby or no jewish lobby.

[Pushtak18]

True,


I think that the peace process for the arab world is always towards them.


Israel losses land, losses its water, gives away anything just so they can contain terrorist forces inside there border, be more western and not destroy israel in the next leg.


In return for there hard work to the peace process, they get US companies opening hotles resorts, money coming in there country and US funds..

Im sick of American muslims crying out "WELL..Israel gets 3 Billion US and they do this and that"

well let me tell you that Egypt gets 2.3 Billion and unlike israel where the money probably 90% goes back to the states to buy weapons and technology from them..... Egypt goes to North Korean and china to purse there Missile system and technology!

And they are a friend to the US??? Nope! Instead they help North korea build that 105 storey skyscraper hotel!!!!1

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by gev
now, every Arab state that gets with the program - make peace with Israel and show at least some good will is getting in the pay roll: Egypt and Jordan are now getting financial support from the US.
about the Cold war: yes at first it was because of the side the Arabs picked, now it's against the terrorism they harvest, why Dick chany said that he thinks Arafat should be hang? thats not something you say if you dont beleive in: Jewish lobby or no jewish lobby.


But that's like any criminal statute. It only applies to people who chose to follow it. For countries that don't get any or appreciable aid from the US, it's irrelevant. Go to skyscrapers.com and see who the tallest buildings in the arab world belong to or are named after.

US or European hotel
Local or regional bank
Oil company
Nondescript government building

[Pushtak18]

Mediocrates,


yea i saw that one....

The biggest building as skyscraper stated is in Saudi Arabia and its the Kingdom tower.... But i found some tower that Al Faisaliah has and look down the page to the companies who helped build it....


Now, when you do so, look at the general contractor....

and tell me if you aren't shocked as of now.
A building....being built for the prince, in his name and honour and look who just happens to be a Gen. Contractor for it....

here is the link @ Skyscrapers
ALFAISALIAH CENTER (http://www.skyscrapers.com/english/worldmap/building/0.9/125879/index.html)

[Illuminatus]

and brings the house down!

http://www.jerusalemonline.com/specials12.asp

The Reverend Hagee gives voice to the millions of Christian Zionists around the the world who support Israel.

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