Taliban in Gaza

[Leon]

When I read this article I kept in mind a (now deleted) thread, one certified nut job posted the other day regarding Hamas terrorists - a thread which praised them for being "brave soldiers" yada, yada, yada.

Brave indeed:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1113186250438

[Mediocrates]

I find it comforting that they will occupy their time killing and oppressing one another instead of killing Israelis. We could take the enlightened EU/UN French Arabiste approach and claim it is merely an internal matter that needs no one's attention, they will handle it on their own. In fact, the idea that Gaza breaks off from the PLO and forms its own quasi statelet founded on oppressive theocratic fundamentalism and administered like a feudal backwards crimelord-ocracy might not be a bad thing. They could call it Pirate-stan.

[Ariksan]

I think that was Sharon's plan all along - and if the "disengagment" plan wouldn't include uprooting Jewish villages in Shomron I would even support Ariks plan... Would definitely make it easier to annex Shomron and Yehuda.

[Leon]

They are very good at murdering and oppressing themselves. What ever keeps the barbarians happy and far away from any Jew.

Im reminded of that statement preached by so many delusional people - "one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".... :p

[Static]

You are all absolutely sick. Only extreme moral degenerates could ever rejoice at the killing of this young woman by extremists and glibly remark, "At least it wasn't a Jew!" Sick.

You people disgust me.

[Ariksan]

Nobody "rejoices" here. Don't put word into our posts we did not write. We are simply happy that instead of killing us they are killing themselves for a change...

[KettleWhistle]

I rejoice that they don't kill Jews, period. I don't really care that much for what they do among themselves. But I have wondered for some time where they came up with the ideas for these uniforms and rallies: http://img105.echo.cx/img105/8312/satellite2dh.jpg

And then it hit me: http://img105.echo.cx/img105/7227/kkkholocaustazionisthoax8do.jpg

[Luke90]

You are all absolutely sick. Only extreme moral degenerates could ever rejoice at the killing of this young woman by extremists and glibly remark, "At least it wasn't a Jew!" Sick.
You people disgust me.
I wouldn't go that far because I can understand you feeling more of a connection to Israelis or Jews. However, this woman was probably just as innocent as some random Israeli and as such her death is no less regrettable.

[Static]

However, this woman was probably just as innocent as some random Israeli and as such her death is no less regrettable.

Exactly. And my point is that why should it matter what her ethnicity is? She is a person, albeit one that lived in the Gaza. To these sickos/racists who pretend to not by afflicted with the same irrational hatred that many of the bombers are, I think the question has been answered.

[Mediocrates]

But isn't it ironic that no one really sees a need to reign in arab on arab violence or criticize it or even point it out much. While I agree with practically nothing our esteemed president has to say, he did coin a phrase I think is fitting. The soft bigotry of low expectations. So all the activists cum neo Christians can wail and weep about how bad things happen to (some) innocent people but I'm not impressed. It's a thousand year old question and feeling bad about it does nothing.

[Leon]

Only extreme moral degenerates could ever rejoice at the killing of this young woman by extremists

"Rejoice?!" No one here is firing their kalashnikovs or giving away free candy in celebration.

[Mediocrates]

It's safe to say that 4 out of 5 'liberal activists' are sympathetic to Palestinian violence.

[Static]

"Rejoice?!" No one here is firing their kalashnikovs or giving away free candy in celebration.

You might as well be, my dear.



I find it comforting that they will occupy their time killing and oppressing one another instead of killing Israelis.


In fact, the idea that Gaza breaks off from the PLO and forms its own quasi statelet founded on oppressive theocratic fundamentalism and administered like a feudal backwards crimelord-ocracy might not be a bad thing. They could call it Pirate-stan.


They are very good at murdering and oppressing themselves. What ever keeps the barbarians happy and far away from any Jew.

Insert a laughing emoticon at the end of each of those statements, and, well, you get the point. *shakes her head in disgust*

[Mediocrates]

It's safe to say that 4 out of 5 'liberal activists' are sympathetic to Palestinian violence.


So I'll quote myself then. But make it MY personal fault. That's what goes for 'debate' in black-beret rive gauche-ism 101 anyway.....

[Mediocrates]

Better there should be more 'work accidents' as they are called, then sniper fire killing Israelis. If you have a problem with that maybe you need a department of occupational safety.

[Ariksan]

Funny, static and Luke - did you support the war on Iraq which ended in the removal of Saddam - the worst Arab butcher for quite some time - which ended the filling of the mass graves in Iraq - the worst Arab on Arab violence in the newer history?

[Mediocrates]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1515&ncid=1515&e=1&u=/afp/20050411/wl_mideast_afp/mideastusisraelbushsharon_050411082447

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The flareup occurred a day after Israeli troops shot dead three Palestinian youths in the southern Gaza town of Rafah and ignited tensions on the eve of the Bush-Sharon meeting here.

Israeli sources said the trio were involved in smuggling weapons under the border with Egypt although Palestinian sources say that they were only trying to steal a security camera.




Ok so stealing a security camera is not firing off a rocket but it's not playing soccer either, is it? No-Go zone, across razor wire, to steal a camera, warning shots fired.....

Gee what thought process do you think was winding its way around their heads while they were doing this???

[KettleWhistle]

Hamas made huge gains in recent Pal elections. There is a fear that it will win the election vs. Abbas' government.

So you reap what you sow.

[Luke90]

Funny, static and Luke - did you support the war on Iraq which ended in the removal of Saddam - the worst Arab butcher for quite some time - which ended the filling of the mass graves in Iraq - the worst Arab on Arab violence in the newer history?
Originally no, and I still don't support the way our government (in the UK) made the case for war. However, it has been more successful than I thought in some ways and now I'm not so sure. I'm still undecided at the moment.
Obviously, I agree that the removal of Saddam Hussein was a good thing but I'm not sure that there weren't more important targets than Iraq.

[rhodescholar]

Exactly. And my point is that why should it matter what her ethnicity is? She is a person, albeit one that lived in the Gaza. To these sickos/racists who pretend to not by afflicted with the same irrational hatred that many of the bombers are, I think the question has been answered.

Your is the voice of a naive child.

I would like to see how americans would react to the death of 20 million americans that mexico had murdered thru mortar attacks, suicide bombings, in attacks aimed at nursery schools and kindergartens, over a 40 year period, with external countries demanding that the US NOT respond.

I would suspect that the reactions of people like yourself, who utterly lack the ability to imagine what israel has endured for the past 4 decades, would be FAR different than what you state now.

After 9/11, the US has taken out TWO whole countries, and thats after one attack. Imagine THOUSANDS of attacks, hundreds of 9/11s, and you start to get the picture.

[Leon]

You might as well be, my dear.

only if you insist my dear.







Insert a laughing emoticon at the end of each of those statements, and, well, you get the point. *shakes her head in disgust*

What laughing emotion? I'm dead serious. If it keeps them pre-occuppied and diverts them from killing Jews - so be it, good on them. I'm certainly not celebrating over this woman's death, on the contrary it was a great tragedy. But if they resort to killing their own instead of my people -- good for them. The only time I'm happy is when Palestinian terrorists kill one another other and not innocent people (Jew or Arab - like the woman in Gaza), and this seems to happen quiet often in Gaza and Judea/Samaria where Arab society is ruled by the gun.

It should give one a fair insight into their society and the kind of enemy Israel and the Jews deal with and have to put up with.

[Mediocrates]

As a woman, Static you might think hard on the fact that Hamas had to be forced to apologize for 'accidently' killing her. Normally such things pass under the radar. Brutality towards women is not something the Palestinian terrorists are unfamiliar with and Hamas in particular takes a hardline sharia tack on these things. It was only two years ago that the world was given it's first female suicide bomber because it was commonly understood that Hamas and the others flat out refused to deal with women as equals such as it is. This was our first mass media to al Aqsa brigades as an 'egalitarian' terrorist force that used men and women equally.

[Static]

Funny, static and Luke - did you support the war on Iraq which ended in the removal of Saddam - the worst Arab butcher for quite some time - which ended the filling of the mass graves in Iraq - the worst Arab on Arab violence in the newer history?

I absolutely do. What the hell does that have to do with this thread?


Your is the voice of a naive child.

I would like to see how americans would react to the death of 20 million americans that mexico had murdered thru mortar attacks, suicide bombings, in attacks aimed at nursery schools and kindergartens, over a 40 year period, with external countries demanding that the US NOT respond.

I'd rather be thought of as a *naive child* than *overtly hostile to an entire people* and *a zealot who would celebrate when one of *their* innocents is brutally murdered, in which case I would accusingly point my finger at the zealouts on *their* side that celebrate when an extremist brutally murders an innocent Israeli who is simply riding the bus, all the while exclaiming "I told you so, look at how their society is!"*


What laughing emotion? I'm dead serious. If it keeps them pre-occuppied and diverts them from killing Jews - so be it, good on them. I'm certainly not celebrating over this woman's death, on the contrary it was a great tragedy. But if they resort to killing their own instead of my people -- good for them.

I smell a whole lotta hypocrisy around here. In the above paragraph and in this entire thread.

Try wrting a paragraph in which you do not outright contradict yourself, and we will speak.


It should give one a fair insight into their society and the kind of enemy Israel and the Jews deal with and have to put up with.

And how would the zealots on these forums react to Palestinians postulating that Yigal Amir is representative of the entire Jewish society?

[Static]

As a woman, Static you might think hard on the fact that Hamas had to be forced to apologize for 'accidently' killing her. Normally such things pass under the radar. Brutality towards women is not something the Palestinian terrorists are unfamiliar with and Hamas in particular takes a hardline sharia tack on these things. It was only two years ago that the world was given it's first female suicide bomber because it was commonly understood that Hamas and the others flat out refused to deal with women as equals such as it is. This was our first mass media to al Aqsa brigades as an 'egalitarian' terrorist force that used men and women equally.

Using "women equally" in their murderous, vicious campaign does not excuse anything, nor does it justify anything. These people are monsters to begin with: now this.

I cannot express enough disgust in acts such as these. This is an utter atrocity, and should be treated like such by all human beings on this planet, regardless of trivial things such as ethnicity. Last time I checked, we belong to the same species.

Brutality towards women is not a staple of Palestinian society, but rather, Arab culture. Palestinians are far more liberal than their counter-parts in the Arab world, thankfully, because they were forced to live among Jews, and thus they have been more westernized.

This is not a common practice among Arabs in Israel, and hopefully the perpetraters will be brought to justice. This is absolutely unacceptable.

[Mediocrates]

As well it should be condemned. My point was this: you can claim that we don't take your suffering seriously but you have to at least consider what 'you' are doing to yourselves first. One of the things that the radical-chics tend to ignore while they're cheering on terrorism is the dehumanizing effect it has on the very people who do it.

[Static]

As well it should be condemned. My point was this: you can claim that we don't take your suffering seriously but you have to at least consider what 'you' are doing to yourselves first. One of the things that the radical-chics tend to ignore while they're cheering on terrorism is the dehumanizing effect it has on the very people who do it.

What "you" are doing to "yourselves?" *raises her eyebrow*

Pray tell: what the hell are you talking about?

Also: "radical-chics tend to ignore while they're cheering on terrorism?" Once more: I know you wouldn't be talking outta your ***, right? Since we know this, care to elaborate? You know, so we don't start jumping to ludicrous conclusions?

[Static]

What "you" are doing to "yourselves?" *raises her eyebrow*

Pray tell: what the hell are you talking about? Again, last time I checked, it was a round world. "Your people" connatates a group of people that belong to me, and I don't recall having taken ownership of anybody.

Also: "radical-chics tend to ignore while they're cheering on terrorism?" Once more: I know you wouldn't be talking outta your ***, right? Since we know this, care to elaborate? You know, so we don't start jumping to ludicrous conclusions?

[Mediocrates]

What "you" are doing to "yourselves?" *raises her eyebrow*

Pray tell: what the hell are you talking about?

You as in you who unquestioningly support the Palestinian cause. Me, I'm not so inclined which shouldn't shock you. You see you have to remember I'm not one of those relativists who are dying to appreciate and understand every single PoV under the sun, every cause and every insane dribbet of agitprop just because I don't happen to have a firm opinion or the mental horsepower to form one. I'm not aplogetic about it.



Also: "radical-chics tend to ignore while they're cheering on terrorism?" Once more: I know you wouldn't be talking outta your ***, right? Since we know this, care to elaborate? You know, so we don't start jumping to ludicrous conclusions?

You do read the newspaper don't you? You watch TV? You do exist in the world where murderers are turned into activists and people calmly explain how it's justified to detonate busloads of people between the ages of 18 and 24 because, well, technically they're in the army so that makes it all good. You listen to the endless retarded prattle of children who cloak themselves in "progressive" or "liberal" or left-leaning while they are really violent anarchists, don't you? You should really walk around on a college campus like Columbia or UNC Chapel Hill for a taste of what goes for 'liberal'. You might be amazed, or not. That kind of rad-chic. How old are you? Do you remember the original rad-chics who had cocktail parties to raise funds for the SLA and the Weathermen? Who worked to get cop killer Mumia out of jail? The people who like our very own takeo who stood vigil in secular communist prayer under Arafat's hospital window? Maybe you agree with them maybe not - but it is going on in your name.

[Static]

You as in you who unquestioningly support the Palestinian cause. Me, I'm not so inclined which shouldn't shock you. You see you have to remember I'm not one of those relativists who are dying to appreciate and understand every single PoV under the sun, every cause and every insane dribbet of agitprop just because I don't happen to have a firm opinion or the mental horsepower to form one. I'm not aplogetic about it.



You do read the newspaper don't you? You watch TV? You do exist in the world where murderers are turned into activists and people calmly explain how it's justified to detonate busloads of people between the ages of 18 and 24 because, well, technically they're in the army so that makes it all good. You listen to the endless retarded prattle of children who cloak themselves in "progressive" or "liberal" or left-leaning while they are really violent anarchists, don't you? You should really walk around on a college campus like Columbia or UNC Chapel Hill for a taste of what goes for 'liberal'. You might be amazed, or not. That kind of rad-chic. How old are you? Do you remember the original rad-chics who had cocktail parties to raise funds for the SLA and the Weathermen? Who worked to get cop killer Mumia out of jail? The people who like our very own takeo who stood vigil in secular communist prayer under Arafat's hospital window? Maybe you agree with them maybe not - but it is going on in your name.

That's quite a bit of jumping to conclusions on your part. I'm not going to sit here and attempt to defend myself against your drivel: you're free to think of me as you wish. Communist, liberal, republican: anything you wish to label me, dear.

How disgreeing with your opinions, and condemning those on this thread that casually make jokes or speak lightly of the grisly killing of this woman makes me a supporter of the Palestinian cause, I'm not sure. I'm not seeing a correlation, myself.

I don't like to think of myself as supporting the Palestinian or Jewish "cause." Frankly, the very concept of being supportive of either "cause" is absurd, in my opinion. I think we should all strive to support what we believe is right on a case by case basis, and that's where I stand in regards to this whole conflict. I have no vested interest in either side "winning" or being "right." I do my best to objectively evaluate every situation, and I may not always be successful, afterall, I am only human, but the important thing is that I do try.

If I may be so audacious, I would like to suggest that if you and many posters on here adhered to the same philosophy, it might do you well.

[Luke90]

Mediocrates,
I know you've been on this forum for quite a while but are you really so cynical that you have to lump together everyone who disagrees with you on anything into a single mass of ravingly liberal terrorist-supporting activists.

[Mediocrates]

No not usually but on the other hand I don't have to bend over 1 mm to attempt to understand someone I already know I won't agree with for the most part. See the problem is fairly complex. If I were a run of the mill college campus flag waver I'd say inflammatory things meant to outrage and offend and annoy because, frankly that would be my job. But if I were someone else, someone who's not a provocateur I'd have my antenna up about things said and done in my name. It's like watching TV or reading the newspaper in the US. Everything is partisan and every sentence has to be parsed. Left-wing, right-wing and so on and what happens is that people I happen to violently disagree with start saying things in my name. Conversely people I violently disagree with start lumping everything they hate into one big bucket in an attempt to cast their net as wide as possible to cast aspersions against as large a group as possible. This is why one has to be very alert to what's being said in one's own name. Why else do you think so many American Jews abandoned the Democratic party during the Clinton administration? Because they couldn't get enough of Arfat. Every other day that filthy rat bastard troll was blowing kisses from the white house lawn. That was done in my name, and they should gargle molten chrome in hell for it. And if I were even remotely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and I wasn't fully occupied being insane then I'd be very nervous about all the nazis, crazies, murderers, conspiracy theorists, antisemites and insects in the boat with me. Because that would be in my name too. So when I hear some punk sneering at me that I don't feel their officially sanctioned level of certified pity, then that's too bad. It's your damn boat, you row it.

[Static]

No not usually but on the other hand I don't have to bend over 1 mm to attempt to understand someone I already know I won't agree with for the most part. See the problem is fairly complex. If I were a run of the mill college campus flag waver I'd say inflammatory things meant to outrage and offend and annoy because, frankly that would be my job. But if I were someone else, someone who's not a provocateur I'd have my antenna up about things said and done in my name. It's like watching TV or reading the newspaper in the US. Everything is partisan and every sentence has to be parsed. Left-wing, right-wing and so on and what happens is that people I happen to violently disagree with start saying things in my name. Conversely people I violently disagree with start lumping everything they hate into one big bucket in an attempt to cast their net as wide as possible to cast aspersions against as large a group as possible. This is why one has to be very alert to what's being said in one's own name. Why else do you think so many American Jews abandoned the Democratic party during the Clinton administration? Because they couldn't get enough of Arfat. Every other day that filthy rat bastard troll was blowing kisses from the white house lawn. That was done in my name, and they should gargle molten chrome in hell for it. And if I were even remotely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and I wasn't fully occupied being insane then I'd be very nervous about all the nazis, crazies, murderers, conspiracy theorists, antisemites and insects in the boat with me. Because that would be in my name too. So when I hear some punk sneering at me that I don't feel their officially sanctioned level of certified pity, then that's too bad. It's your damn boat, you row it.

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