why Jews are so appreciated ,estimated and loved...

[goliath]

It could be that the Jews are also estimated or more , that point of vue is a bit risky, and not easy to display , it could be an interesting one.
On this positive hypothesis, which is not a big risk on a forum ,and certainly not a classic one.
It's always easier ,to tell why people dislike or hate Jewish people,the other side can be also a good temperature indication ,and needs a bit more objectivity and a certain form of epistolary bravery ,even if it's sort of futile remarks ,but I really .
In one word ,are we good ?
This underline the paradoxical position , for an ethnical community ,which is mostly subject to negative opinions.

[goliath]

It could be that the Jews are also estimated or more , that point of vue is a bit risky, and not easy to display , it could be an interesting one.
On this positive hypothesis, which is not a big risk on a forum ,and certainly not a classic one.
It's always easier ,to tell why people dislike or hate Jewish people,the other side can be also a good temperature indication ,and needs a bit more objectivity and a certain form of epistolary bravery ,even if it's sort of futile remarks ,but I really .
In one word ,are we good ?
This underline the paradoxical position , for an ethnical community ,which is mostly subject to negative opinions.
Obiously is difficult to integrate the positive point about an ethnic group...
Anyway ,the compliment or critics....are not fact....it's only the gossips who are fixed in the mind of a lot of our congenere since centuries , and seems to be something unavoidable ...

[minusthejihad]

Its not that I don't want to participate in a discussion with you, its that I can't understand you very well, not because of your English, that is great.

It is because of your endless run-on sentences.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=minusthejihad]
Its not that I don't want to participate in a discussion with you, its that I can't understand you very well, not because of your English, that is great.
It is because of your endless run-on sentences.
I agree my English is very far from a good one ,just because I have a "speaking " knowledge , in a few words I use to talk English ,and a very few epistolary exchanges nor writing in business , I was always on the move and the necessary on that matter was done by secretaries..
I do love various languages but I 'm not so good on writing them ,even if I have read a lot ..ok enough talking about myself..and especially when you met idiomatic form ,which is the use nowadays , and this determine the "finesse" of the knowledge on foreign language..right?
Yes ,I use to not end my sentences , ( I had to check run-on ) is my "style" when I think the reader is able to arrive to the point and understand the meaning without a lot of words...But you're right ,it could be potentially a bit confusing ,it's kind of "risk" concerning the comprehension..but I think is a sort of filter in communication ,unconsciously but true, it's a little proof concerning the level of the reader ,kind of soft duel...
Globaly ?I do trust people ,even on a forum ... a bit of fatalism maybe..
And the so call "risk" is not a large one ,don't you think?
If that's doesn't suit to you ,I can try to make an "effort" and that will be ok by me...
My writing even on my mother tongue ,is let say a bit "esoteric" and second degree type , during my all life time I heard so...
Now I'm getting old,and I'm a bit confusing ,Spanish and Portuguese , English and swedish with German and so on,it's life...it remain in good shape ,only the languages you're using with a good frequently..

[Inocentia]

I agree my English is very far from a good one ,just because I have a "speaking " knowledge , in a few words I use to talk English ,and a very few epistolary exchanges nor writing in business , I was always on the move and the necessary on that matter was done by secretaries..
I do love various languages but I 'm not so good on writing them ,even if I have read a lot ..ok enough talking about myself..and especially when you met idiomatic form ,which is the use nowadays , and this determine the "finesse" of the knowledge on foreign language..right?
Yes ,I use to not end my sentences , ( I had to check run-on ) is my "style" when I think the reader is able to arrive to the point and understand the meaning without a lot of words...But you're right ,it could be potentially a bit confusing ,it's kind of "risk" concerning the comprehension..but I think is a sort of filter in communication ,unconsciously but true, it's a little proof concerning the level of the reader ,kind of soft duel...
Globaly ?I do trust people ,even on a forum ... a bit of fatalism maybe..
And the so call "risk" is not a large one ,don't you think?
If that's doesn't suit to you ,I can try to make an "effort" and be ok by me...
My writing even on my mother tongue ,is let say a bit "esoteric" and second degree type , during my all life time I heard so...
Now I'm getting old,and I'm a bit confusing ,Spanish and Portuguese , English and swedish with German and so on,it's life...

English is not my mother tongue, I did not even learn English in school or otherwise, which is obvious to anyone, but I understand you fine, I think I understand you better than if you would write conventionally, it is so artistic, keeping some inner tension up and if you make the effort to tune yourself to it, it actually comes to your brain easier than "correct writing", I really thought you are doing it in purpose to exercise stream on consciousness on us, bottom line, keep it like this, I love your posts, even when I don't agree with the content :) (doesn't hapen often though)

[KettleWhistle]

Because we are so smart and good-looking! (Why else?):)

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Inocentia]English is not my mother tongue, I did not even learn English in school or otherwise, which is obvious to anyone, but I understand you fine, I think I understand you better than if you would write conventionally, it is so artistic, keeping some inner tension up and if you make the effort to tune yourself to it, it actually comes to your brain easier than "correct writing", I really thought you are doing it in purpose to exercise stream on consciousness on us, bottom line, keep it like this, I love your posts, even when I don't agree with the content :) (doesn't hapen often though)
Lol ,that's a bit exagerate , you've a lot of generosity in giving sort of compliment , which could be a bit ironic ..lol again!!
You love my post ,and don't agree with the content ? Lol , sure you can't slap my face by writing ,so I'm safe..
I think writing could a cause of misunderstanding , the interpretation could be not in phase with the reader..
Anyway ,thanks for your "compliments" only my mother was giving that kind of rejoiying....lol..!

[Inocentia]

Here it is, I tried to translate old Romanian folklore that now only exists in collection books, the result is barbarian, but bear with me:

"The young man should take as wife a Gipsy woman cause she is hot, when he wants to settle down, a Jewess cause they are beautiful and smart and when he gets old, a Romanian, cause they know how to cook"

Lots of admirative expressions meaning "beautiful Jewess"

Songs of aching for forbidden love: "I would love you and I can't / my mother doesn't let me / we are not of the same law"

About Sunday, the rest and feast day in the villages: "When you dream of Sunday, you dream of a Jewish woman"

I can give examples from cultivated literature of characters, intrigues, situations that all express the same thing.

The portraits of the "hardworking Jew" and "the intelligent Jew" are also documented in popular and cultivated literature.

It is paradoxical, those cohexisted with fierce antisemitism folklore... but this thread is about the good things...

So, you are right, KW, just can't find anything about handsome men ;)

[KettleWhistle]

So, you are right, KW, just can't find anything about handsome men ;)
Ah, that's just jealousy.:)

[Inocentia]

[QUOTE]
which could be a bit ironic ..lol again!!

No irony, not at all, happy for your nice reply :)

[KettleWhistle]

BTW, that does sound like it would be the old Romanian folklore, because the one that I'm a bit familiar with, doesn't mention anything about Jewish women. In fact, the only woman mentioned there is the "Lord's mother.":D

[Inocentia]

Ah, that's just jealousy.:)

Oh, I'm sure they have not interviewed the women, that's why :)

[Inocentia]

BTW, that does sound like it would be the old Romanian folklore, because the one that I'm a bit familiar with, doesn't mention anything about Jewish women. In fact, the only woman mentioned there is the "Lord's mother.":D

I know you have lived in Moldova, you were probably exposed to cleansed folklore in communist media, the word Jew was forbidden in the official communication and entertainment, in fact I wonder how you heard of the "Lord's mother", this was forbidden too!

[KettleWhistle]

Jew was forbidden? I don't think so. My parents' birth certificates list their nationalities as "Evreu" (Jew).

But I've heard most about the "Lord's mother" pretty much every day on the public busses during the rush hour.;)

[Inocentia]

Jew was forbidden? I don't think so. My parents' birth certificates list their nationalities as "Evreu" (Jew).


Right, right, my husband's certificates also, I sometimes assume communism was the same everywhere as in Romania, just now I am learning from him some things were different (and the most shocking things: he actually had TV programs all day, not only from 20 to 22, and they even could buy oranges in the markets :confused: !)

[Inocentia]

"Well-mannered Greek, stupid Jew and honest Gipsy are not possible",

or "Stupid Jew and lazy rabbit - this cannot be"

"Only a Jew could make sense of such (a complicated) thing" - German proverb

"Wise as a Jew" - Polish saying

or "Jew head" (like in Jidischer Kop in Yiddish, no?)

But also:

"A smart Jew is smarter than 10 smart Romanians, but when a Jew is stupid, he is more stupid than 100 Romanians" - this actually appeared in a paper in the '90 :confused:

And I can't find others to not use the intelligence equated to crookedness :(

Emil Cioran, the antisemitic philosopher: "The Jews are horrified of the intelectual laziness. In any country they would live, they would constitute the sum of exceptions, capabilities and talent, unmatched by any people... They are exceptional by destiny - a destiny of absoluteness, the destiny in its purest form, which gives them power and lack of measure and lifts them above themselves and forbids them mediocrity"
(this was used to justify why Jews are dangerous, because "they are valuable (considerable) adversaries").
When republished in Romania after the fall of the wall, he was very careful to take out any antisemitic remarks... he was so old and bittered...

[KSO]

"
"A smart Jew is smarter than 10 smart Romanians, but when a Jew is stupid, he is more stupid than 100 Romanians" - this actually appeared in a paper in the '90 :confused:

...

In Russia they say, "When a jew is smart he is Albert Einstein, but when he is stupid... Watch yourself.

And in a more anti-zionist note I think it's Zhvanetzky "When jews are scattered around in small amounts they can become a fertiliser to society, but when all gathered in one place it's just a pile of ."

[SteveK]

Hi goliath,

You might want to read through the 1947 UN Proceedings of The Special Subcommittee for The Palestine Question to find a great series of personal testimonials by Jewish and Zionist leaders, like David Ben-Gurion, as to why "Jews are so appreciated, estimated and loved".

Of course, their testimonials provided the political foundation for the Declaration of Independence of The State of Israel in 1948.

[goliath]

QUOTE=SteveK]Hi goliath,
You might want to read through the 1947 UN Proceedings of The Special Subcommittee for The Palestine Question to find a great series of personal testimonials by Jewish and Zionist leaders, like David Ben-Gurion, as to why "Jews are so appreciated, estimated and loved".
Hi Stevek,

Of course, their testimonials provided the political foundation for the Declaration of Independence of The State of Israel in 1948.[/QUOTE]
Thanks a lot for that kind indication , but I have to say I have no idea about were I can get that book..
I have no any dubt concerning the P. David Ben-Gurion the LION , el Assad..and all the other pionners , who did a lot for all the Jews, almost ,we all owe a lot to the first Zionist.

[friend]

Shalom,
Somebody knows if Yehuda Poliker has made a DVD from his concerts ?


LIVE IN CAESARIA (what a great concert) i really like this album.


I live in Athens, and with many jewish people i really feld that we have many things in common.

Gia sas apo Athina

[goliath]

Kalispera Friend , tamara a tioya tis boudroum..?
Inishe paleita d'apio ...ti kanethe ?
Paleita d'apio.

Ciao...!

[Gilgamesh]

Shalom,
Somebody knows if Yehuda Poliker has made a DVD from his concerts ?


LIVE IN CAESARIA (what a great concert) i really like this album.


I live in Athens, and with many jewish people i really feld that we have many things in common.

Gia sas apo Athina

I have no idea of DVD. Poliker doesn't appear much. He is said to be fighting a depression over a series of personal-family tragedies.

Do you know the song "Ei'ch Kor'im la'aha'va she'lli?" It's part of an Albom (http://www.musicaneto.com/disk_details.asp?disk_id=855)of the same name. It's one of the most powerful songs yet, written about the current conflict, although in vauge.

Poliker is one of our best working musicians.

[goliath]

This is kind of cul-de-sac ...and forgive me despinis..e kalimera...se agape.musiki..

My dear you're a little confusing on the thread's choice , you can find a "generalist" free thread column on the forum ,this one is specialized on people who wants to explain to us why they have affinity with us or not...
And I'm just expecting a bunch of my Jewish friends ,who will come and give their feelings about that important matter....

Efgaristo kala poli kala ....

TTS ...

[FromNorway]

Although there was once a law forbidding Jews to enter our country, it only existed for 27 years, and both before and after this Jews could enter the country.

Henrik Wergeland is a famous man in Norway who fought for the rights of the Jews, and it was him who made it possible to get rid of this horrid law. He wrote "The Jew And The Jewess", which was a tribute to the Jewish people.

The Scandinavian countries are known for the low rate of anti-Semitism. Here's a web page about the Scandinavian countries and their effort to help the Jews during WW2:

www.thankstoscandinavia.org

[goliath]

Jewish people have no obligation to thanks any country....not any on earth ....
The massacre during WW2.......was a lasting one ,and the old song :
Sorry we were not aware....doesn't works anymore....
Obviously , the people have nothing to do with that....they were more or less manipulated , and the new generation for them it's simply History , when someone daign to teach them....
Restriction for peole who hate Jews ,because they can't help it ...and that virus was transmited on education and culture...
It doesn't exist a cure for that....unfortunately....

[peacelover]

Because we are so smart and good-looking! (Why else?):)

Yes, Jewish men tend to be fit, II have a bit of a thing for them... so fit in fact that I find myself not knowing/caring whether they are intelligent or not!

[Toga]

Although there was once a law forbidding Jews to enter our country, it only existed for 27 years, and both before and after this Jews could enter the country.

Henrik Wergeland is a famous man in Norway who fought for the rights of the Jews, and it was him who made it possible to get rid of this horrid law. He wrote "The Jew And The Jewess", which was a tribute to the Jewish people.

The Scandinavian countries are known for the low rate of anti-Semitism. Here's a web page about the Scandinavian countries and their effort to help the Jews during WW2:

www.thankstoscandinavia.org

I wish they were less anti-Semitic these days. This episode:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/18/world/main593870.shtml

defines what the Scandinavians have turned into

[Inocentia]

Jewish people have no obligation to thanks any country....not any on earth ....
The massacre during WW2.......was a lasting one ,and the old song :
Sorry we were not aware....doesn't works anymore....
Obviously , the people have nothing to do with that....they were more or less manipulated , and the new generation for them it's simply History , when someone daign to teach them....
Restriction for peole who hate Jews ,because they can't help it ...and that virus was transmited on education and culture...
It doesn't exist a cure for that....unfortunately....

I hear Albanians resolutely refused to hand over their Jews to the Germans during WW2 and it was the only country in Europe to have a higher population of Jews after the war than before it...

[Cellis]

my personal opinion is: Jewish Religion and People should to be kept alive, and should to grow, big Jewish population...
It is the one religion people should to respect more...
regards

[MGB8]

I have my own quasi religious theory. Really, it has a standard components and then another part:

The standards are basic: Jews are different, represent "the other," do not want to be the same (which is a basic human social process - norming) and are WEAK - a small minority, easily persecuted.

But I also think that there is a quasi-religious component. The Sh'ma can also be understood not as a call to hear/listen, but as a call to witness. Jews, theologically, can be viewed as the witnesses to G-d, and the witnesses for G-d. The Jews witnessed G-d firsthand many times throughout biblical history, and, through the treatment of the Jews, through what the Jews witnessed, other nations have been judged by G-d.

Now, humans, imperfect and prone to sin as we are, don't really like being judged. We don't like to have witnesses to our immoral conduct. And Jews, with the overdeveloped morality, with the relation to G-d, even being witnesses for G-d (although of course you can argue that G-d is all knowing, all seeing, anyways) - it makes the desire to rid yourself of this mantle appealing.

So, not only are the Jews a weak, non-fully-assimilating "other," but more than that, even if they are assimilating (although by being Jewish one can never fully assimilate) there is still that sort of moral agitating.