The Iranians Abroad

[Pushtak21]

The Persian who live Abroad tally about 10-15 million people (?) and they live in places such as the U.S, Canada, Mexico, Spain, England, France, Germany, Argentina, Australia/New Zealand and beyond....

Many of them fled for a better life after the Islamic Revolution.

But many of them are very 'nationalistic' in there thought.
Ofcourse! They want to get rid of the Mullahs from power.
Ofcourse! They want a better Iran, a more developed..

but there seeing the conflict between Iran v. US/Israel as a conflict that they should actually side with the Mullahs on.

Many Iranains seem to be getting into Israel vs. Palestinain conflict when debating and be very anti-Israel, especially for many young Iranians who have family that fled from Iran abroad and now attend university whom they have the right to voice there opinion.

Many seem to be seeing Israel, someone who has no problem with Iran, Iranian and even to a far extent the Mullahs....as enemies and seeing the PLO/Palestinain militias, Hezbollah and other groups that no matter what israel government is will be in Israel shall be destroyed; as there allies...

I mean... many Iranians want the Mullahs out. Thats cool! But many Iranians also want a piece of Israel...
read the www.iranian.com see how there views on Israel changed from 2000 to 2002 to now.... this is the voice IMO of the America-Iranians from LA to NY to D.C and beyond...

[Cyrus the Great]

What's your beef with Iranians living Abroad ? No Iranian wants a piece of Israel . Was not Iran one of the most important allies of Israel before the revolution ? Were not Israelis welcomed in Iran before the revolution ? I used to serve in the Iranian army before the Islamic revolution, I remember once an Israeli commander was visiting our base and everyone was so exicted and happy that an Israeli commander was visiting our base.
Once again you seem to confuse the Iranian Mullahs with the Iranian people. In view of the Iranian people, the Mullhas are arab occupiers of the persian land. To be honest not many Iranians really care that much about the Israel vs Palestine conflict. Iranians have their own conflict with Mullahs to worry about.

[Elin]

I mean... many Iranians want the Mullahs out. Thats cool! But many Iranians also want a piece of Israel...
read the www.iranian.com see how there views on Israel changed from 2000 to 2002 to now.... this is the voice IMO of the America-Iranians from LA to NY to D.C and beyond...

Those Iranians who wants Mollas out don't want to live in a Secular Country,they want Islamic Laws contunie,that's what Gallups saying.

[Pushtak21]

Those Iranians who wants Mollas out don't want to live in a Secular Country,they want Islamic Laws contunie,that's what Gallups saying.


But they also hate the fact that Israel is 'messing' with Iran re: the bushar...

[Pushtak21]

What's your beef with Iranians living Abroad ? No Iranian wants a piece of Israel . Was not Iran one of the most important allies of Israel before the revolution ? Were not Israelis welcomed in Iran before the revolution ? I used to serve in the Iranian army before the Islamic revolution, I remember once an Israeli commander was visiting our base and everyone was so exicted and happy that an Israeli commander was visiting our base.
Once again you seem to confuse the Iranian Mullahs with the Iranian people. In view of the Iranian people, the Mullhas are arab occupiers of the persian land. To be honest not many Iranians really care that much about the Israel vs Palestine conflict. Iranians have their own conflict with Mullahs to worry about.


Im talking about theIranains abroad...not in Iran...

Especially the youngsters who are now in there 20's and 30's and have gotten western education. Many of them see Israel as an arch enemy regardless of ayatollah or not. Could i be wrong? Maybe its the few..but i seem to get a sense that many Iranian Young adults seem to be swiftng and becoming hostile to Israel, seeing that Israel is being aggressive to nuclear technology..thats the problem

[Cyrus the Great]

Those Iranians who wants Mollas out don't want to live in a Secular Country,they want Islamic Laws contunie,that's what Gallups saying.



What are you talking about ? The majority of Iranians don't want Islamic laws. You can be sure that there are more secular Iranians than there are secular Turks. The majority of Iranians are just Muslims by name, many of them have not even read the Quran once. The majority of Iranians don't even know what Islam is about . Many of them don't pray or go to Mosques and drink at parties. I had many "muslim" friends in Iran and not a even one of the girls and women in the house had any covering. The reason the Mullahs are in power now is not because the people wanted that. The Mullahs tricked the whole Iranian nation. What many people don't know is that the Islamists formed a very small percentage of the revoultionaries. The revolutionaries were mostly Marxist and Republicans. Khomeyni promised the Iranian people a deomcracy not a theocratic Islamist government. And for about two years after the revolution we indeed had democracy and freedom, but as soon as the war with Iraq started, the Mullahs took complete power and imposed Islamic laws. The Iranian nation as a whole is one of the most secular nations in the world, even more secular than united states and definately more secular than Tuerkey.

[Justcurious]

I have many Iranians as my personal friends. The only reason they have emigrated is that they want to live in a peaceful country, where they can give a future to their children.

[Cyrus the Great]

I have many Iranians as my personal friends. The only reason they have emigrated is that they want to live in a peaceful country, where they can give a future to their children.


That's exactly what I have been saying. Justcurious, aren't all the Iranians you know very secular ? Do they go to mosques ? Do they read the Quran ?

[Elin]

What are you talking about ? The majority of Iranians don't want Islamic laws. You can be sure that there are more secular Iranians than there are secular Turks. The majority of Iranians are just Muslims by name, many of them have not even read the Quran once. The majority of Iranians don't even know what Islam is about . Many of them don't pray or go to Mosques and drink at parties. I had many "muslim" friends in Iran and not a even one of the girls and women in the house had any covering. The reason the Mullahs are in power now is not because the people wanted that. The Mullahs tricked the whole Iranian nation. What many people don't know is that the Islamists formed a very small percentage of the revoultionaries. The revolutionaries were mostly Marxist and Republicans. Khomeyni promised the Iranian people a deomcracy not a theocratic Islamist government. And for about two years after the revolution we indeed had democracy and freedom, but as soon as the war with Iraq started, the Mullahs took complete power and imposed Islamic laws. The Iranian nation as a whole is one of the most secular nations in the world, even more secular than united states and definately more secular than Tuerkey.

LOL Is this the joke of the day? :rolleyes: :p :D

[Cyrus the Great]

LOL Is this the joke of the day?


You can say whatever you want. You just can't accept the fact that Turkey is becoming more Islamist everyday while Iranians are progressing toward secularity. You live in denial. Turkey 's progress is backwards. Your people actually voted for an Islamist while Iranians were forced to have them. You can be sure that in a deomcratic Iran no Islamist would ever come to power.
And yes it is true that the Iranian nation is very very secular. Almost all Iranians make think of religion as something that only a retard would believe in. While the American government is very secular , religion plays a very important role in the lives of American people but religion has no role in the lives of Iranian people.

[Cyrus the Great]

I posted this in another thread, if you go to aljazeera.com and read some of the comments that Turks make you will understand what I mean when I say Turkey is going toward Islamism. . Here is the link http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=8088 , read the comments that people from Turkey make. The article is about 30 Kurds being killed in iraq by terrorists. Just read the comments and be shocked. One of the comments from a Turk says : "way to go o brave freedom fighters. please feed these kordish insects with the sw,ord of dath. we'll see where the cöwärd americans will hide when the lines of iraqi traitors are completely annihilated. have no doubt, that the greatest surprise has been prepared for the american insurgents. dath to the kurdish tarrorists. hahaha ".
There are many other comments like that by people from Turkey. And if you don't think they are from Turkey track their IP addresses.

I guess that's your version of secularism.
If you notice there aren't any Iranians praising the terrorists in Iraq.

[Pushtak21]

From reading Cyrus comments, i see he is a friendly moderate and i respect his views..


something that i see is that Turk's and Persians are the same. Muslims who are secular in 1 way or another. Both, along with Israel are the only non arabs in the middle east, with respect to small minorities of Assyrians, Armenainans and so on...

1 is Shiite and 1 is Sunni...but both are very secular.

but with the Iranian, they are not only as Secular, but more than the turks. Yes. The Turks reinvented themselves with there pioneer father, Mustafa Kemal, but remember...just recently they voted in overwhelmingly an Islamic Government to power...

The Iranians had a revolution, but most want the Islamic regimei n Iran out..

Iranains are very open people. Most Iranain teenagers/young adults are very westernized....
yes, some pissed me off because im from Israel, but most are ok...

I onced asked a turk if they saw Midnight Express and she flipped on me:
"YOU DIRTY JEW! NOTHING BUT A DIRTY JEW YOU ARE!! Armenians made this movie..don't belive them. Infact, go worry about your own problems, you Palestinain killer" :confused:

[Cyrus the Great]

From reading Cyrus comments, i see he is a friendly moderate and i respect his views..


something that i see is that Turk's and Persians are the same. Muslims who are secular in 1 way or another. Both, along with Israel are the only non arabs in the middle east, with respect to small minorities of Assyrians, Armenainans and so on...

1 is Shiite and 1 is Sunni...but both are very secular.

but with the Iranian, they are not only as Secular, but more than the turks. Yes. The Turks reinvented themselves with there pioneer father, Mustafa Kemal, but remember...just recently they voted in overwhelmingly an Islamic Government to power...

The Iranians had a revolution, but most want the Islamic regimei n Iran out..

Iranains are very open people. Most Iranain teenagers/young adults are very westernized....
yes, some pissed me off because im from Israel, but most are ok...

I onced asked a turk if they saw Midnight Express and she flipped on me:
"YOU DIRTY JEW! NOTHING BUT A DIRTY JEW YOU ARE!! Armenians made this movie..don't belive them. Infact, go worry about your own problems, you Palestinain killer" :confused:


Thank you very much Pushtak. I just hope I live to see an Israeli embassy in Tehran once again.

[Justcurious]

That's exactly what I have been saying. Justcurious, aren't all the Iranians you know very secular ? Do they go to mosques ? Do they read the Quran ?

Not very secular, but not very concerned about their faith. For instance, the mother of a friend of mine came for a visit from Iran. Her son had given her the direction of Mecca totally wrong. He never revealed it, but I guess no harm was made to anybody.

[Pushtak21]

Thank you very much Pushtak. I just hope I live to see an Israeli embassy in Tehran once again.


There was never an embassy in Tehran. There was a mission office, but thats about it. There was relations between Iran-Israel,but it was minimal...though minimal, it was strong....


Shah never came to Israel :(

Nor that freaking.....Gooogooosh! She insults jews :(

[Pushtak21]

Not very secular, but not very concerned about their faith. For instance, the mother of a friend of mine came for a visit from Iran. Her son had given her the direction of Mecca totally wrong. He never revealed it, but I guess no harm was made to anybody.


I'd rather give her directions to Sesame Street :D

[Elin]

I onced asked a turk if they saw Midnight Express and she flipped on me:
"YOU DIRTY JEW! NOTHING BUT A DIRTY JEW YOU ARE!! Armenians made this movie..don't belive them. Infact, go worry about your own problems, you Palestinain killer" :confused:

Do you know what is your problem? You are simply suffering from inferiority complex,its obvious,you ignorant Molla at first educate yourself about Turkish-jewish history!!

[Cyrus the Great]

Nor that freaking.....Gooogooosh! She insults jews



Hahaha, How do you know Googoosh ? Is she really that famouse ? I thought only Iranians knew her. Well I like her songs but I had no idea she insutls jews !! What has she said about jews ? If I remember correctly she has one song in Hebrew actually !! (Maybe she insults the jews in that song ? cause I don't understand a word of Hebrew). She is a fine singer and that's it. There is nothing to her other than that.

[Pushtak21]

Hahaha, How do you know Googoosh ? Is she really that famouse ? I thought only Iranians knew her. Well I like her songs but I had no idea she insutls jews !! What has she said about jews ? If I remember correctly she has one song in Hebrew actually !! (Maybe she insults the jews in that song ? cause I don't understand a word of Hebrew). She is a fine singer and that's it. There is nothing to her other than that.


Who doesn't know Googoosh? The Persian Diva singer :D

My friends in Israel, who were from Iran, but left in the early 90's, only played 2 things; Pink Floyd and Googosh.

I go to a Persain Variety store, Pushtak buys Phistukim and they play googoosh, moreover they think im Persain :D (long story).

So yea, we know her. Plus she lives in Toronto, so im kinda close.

She didn't write a song in hebrew or farsi to insult jews.
But back in Iran, she performed at a Bar Mitzva, and a Bar Mitzva is a special event. And Persians are very strict jews. and what she did was bring her dog to the event and that is forbidden and she made such a huge problem for the jewish family and the whole event that we despise of her.

Why don't u bring a pork next time to the event :mad: ?

[Cyrus the Great]

Who doesn't know Googoosh? The Persian Diva singer :D

My friends in Israel, who were from Iran, but left in the early 90's, only played 2 things; Pink Floyd and Googosh.

I go to a Persain Variety store, Pushtak buys Phistukim and they play googoosh, moreover they think im Persain :D (long story).

So yea, we know her. Plus she lives in Toronto, so im kinda close.

She didn't write a song in hebrew or farsi to insult jews.
But back in Iran, she performed at a Bar Mitzva, and a Bar Mitzva is a special event. And Persians are very strict jews. and what she did was bring her dog to the event and that is forbidden and she made such a huge problem for the jewish family and the whole event that we despise of her.

Why don't u bring a pork next time to the event :mad: ?


She was probably ignorant of jewish tradition and did not want to insult any jews. I also didn't know that dogs are forbidden by jews ! I knew jews aren't suppose to eat pork but had no idea about the dog !!
The people in a Persain Variety store think you are Persian ? That's hilarious .
Don't they ever wonder why you don't speak Persian ?

[Pushtak21]

She was probably ignorant of jewish tradition and did not want to insult any jews. I also didn't know that dogs are forbidden by jews ! I knew jews aren't suppose to eat pork but had no idea about the dog !!

Jews are allowed dogs.
But for Oriental jews. Especailly from Iran and the Stans (non slavic people of th e stans).

you cannot have a dog when your eating a shabbath dinner. You cannot have a dog when your praying. You cannot have a dog when your having a wedding, funeral or bar mitzva..
Dogs are allowed, but there is conditions..

The people in a Persain Variety store think you are Persian ? That's hilarious .
Don't they ever wonder why you don't speak Persian ?

ooo hehehe, in Toronto, especailly in the North...there is a jewish community adjoined with a Persian community. Ofcourse, you will find many Persian jews mingiling with the Persians, since they have many tapes and goodies that come from Iran.

I had a chance to go to school with Iranians, so i picked up some Farsi, and they picked up some Hebrew. It was a good exchange of the foes.

In the store, i can make a conversation, so they automatically think i am persian.

I go in, they say Salam. I say Chetori.
Khob they say... and i say...
Phistukim? Ghay'mat Ea In Chand Asst?
In Chisst?Ka'sher?

Man Mi'kha'ham ... Ra Ba'kha'ram. Cha'har Killogram Kh'hesh Mi'ko'nam!

Khay'ly Mo'teh'shaker'am :)

and Kappa has Phistukim!! Salty, Salty Phistukim!!! :D

[Cyrus the Great]

Wow, I am really impressed, you speak very good Persian !!! You must be very smart because I have been told that it is very hard to learn Persian for a non native speaker. You dont have any gramatical erros !!! How long did you go to school with the Iranians ?

[Mil]

I have no issues with Freddy Mercury. :)

I personally have quite a few Iranian and Turkish friends; all are secular and "normal."

I also have few Arab aquintences and these people are certainly not like either Turks or Iranians.

[Pushtak21]

Wow, I am really impressed, you speak very good Persian !!! You must be very smart because I have been told that it is very hard to learn Persian for a non native speaker. You dont have any gramatical erros !!! How long did you go to school with the Iranians ?


About 4 years.
But this was only in Canada. I lived in Israel before and there was a few who came from Iranian households. Some born in Israel others born in Iran..

When i heard Iranians in Canada speak, i thought it was hebrew. Same type of tongue sound... So i catched on a few words.

Don't be impressed yet. This as much as i know of Persian! The other half is just numerous swear words to use when some Iranian pulls up and almost hits my car :D hehehe

[Pushtak21]

I have no issues with Freddy Mercury. :)

Freddy was a good guy! Gay..but was a good guy...
He was from Tanzania actually....but with Persian background...

I personally have quite a few Iranian and Turkish friends; all are secular and "normal."

I also have few Arab aquintences and these people are certainly not like either Turks or Iranians.

Too many Arabs and such live in Chicago..A scary place indeed! :)
Not to mention those annoying Greeks!

[minusthejihad]

What??? I thought Freddy Mercury was Armenian my whole life, are you sure he was Persian?

[Emunah]

When I was young a very friendly Iranian friend taught me to say:

Chetori?

And I was to answer "mesle pollo tu dori"...something that means "like rice in a pot" or "great".

But when I said this as a grown woman people laughed at me, and I did not know why until recently someone told me that is what a little girl would say. Now I know why all the laughter!

[Cyrus the Great]

When I was young a very friendly Iranian friend taught me to say:

Chetori?

And I was to answer "mesle pollo tu dori"...something that means "like rice in a pot" or "great".

But when I said this as a grown woman people laughed at me, and I did not know why until recently someone told me that is what a little girl would say. Now I know why all the laughter!

Hahaha, that's very funny. "mesle pollo tu dori" does indeed mean "like rice in a pot" and it is something that a small girl would say. Does everyone here speak some Persian ? I am really amazed. It seems like all of you have some Persian friends. That's great.

[Elin]

I love greeks,they are so friendly towards us,from my neighbours I only love Greece and Bulgaria and Georgia (I am talking about people),eastern neighbours,no comment..

[Pushtak21]

I love greeks,they are so friendly towards us,from my neighbours I only love Greece and Bulgaria and Georgia (I am talking about people),eastern neighbours,no comment..


Greeks are worser than Turks!
There anti-semetic people...

but the Turkish Media vs. Greek Media is like two twins seperated at birth..
trashy garbage for the pupils to view on U.S/Israel/Jews...

[Elin]

Greeks are worser than Turks!
There anti-semetic people...

but the Turkish Media vs. Greek Media is like two twins seperated at birth..
trashy garbage for the pupils to view on U.S/Israel/Jews...

Paranoia,you believe that all world,all people are anti-semitist,you need thraphy I'm afraid..

Greek Media since the begining accusing Turkey,attacking Turkey,you can read many ant-Turkey articles in greek media but we turks never blame greek media because we know that greece is a democratic country and they have free press.

That's our difference,dear Pushtak ;)

I love you ;)

[Pushtak21]

Paranoia,you believe that all world,all people are anti-semitist,you need thraphy I'm afraid..

Greek Media since the begining accusing Turkey,attacking Turkey,you can read many ant-Turkey articles in greek media but we turks never blame greek media because we know that greece is a democratic country and they have free press.

That's our difference,dear Pushtak ;)

I love you ;)

And im the paranoia one who accuses everyone being anti-semetic when you clearly stated that the Greeks accuse you, but you played it soft and well..

sheesh...maybe we should show Elin the nice picture of the Turk Diplomat and his 7 year old daughter gunned down in Canada in 1984 by a few ol' PKK members....

I needed to get a roll of newspaper archive and many outlets, from Quebec stated "Freedom Fighters"
now is everyone against the turks?

[Iranian-Aryan]

What??? I thought Freddy Mercury was Armenian my whole life, are you sure he was Persian?

No Freddy Mercury was a Parsis zoroastrian from Bombay

[Cyrus the Great]

Iranian-Aryan , I don't think your name is really appropriate for this forum. After all jews truely suffered under the hands of Aryans.
That aside ,
chetori ?
dookhtar hastin ya pesar ?
Chand saleetoon hast ?
Chijori in forum ra peyda kardi ?

[Ariksan]

Iranian-Aryan , I don't think your name is really appropriate for this forum. After all jews truely suffered under the hands of Aryans.
That aside ,
chetori ?
dookhtar hastin ya pesar ?
Chand saleetoon hast ?
Chijori in forum ra peyda kardi ?

I actually think it is important to educate what aryian really means and how it was misused by the Germans who arn't aryian at all to establish some sort of pseudo-mystical ersatz-religion.

[Iranian-Aryan]

I actually think it is important to educate what aryian really means and how it was misused by the Germans who arn't aryian at all to establish some sort of pseudo-mystical ersatz-religion.

I'm completly agree with you, People have to understand the true meaning of this word. I'm Iranian-Aryan mean that I'm not Muslim and I believe in the pre-Islamic History and culture of my country. Aryan is not a race, This is a culture and In the old old time, India/Iran/Pakistan/afghanistan... Formed a country called Aryavarte or aryavaeja. The european are not aryan, they are indo-european speakers and never never called themselves aryan before Max Muller theory.

Zoroastrism is my culture, my history and part of my aryan identity.

Cyrus Dorood, man 24 salame, dar farance zendegui mikonam va fekrmikonam ke farad jooda tarafe ma astan.

[Cyrus the Great]

I'm completly agree with you, People have to understand the true meaning of this word. I'm Iranian-Aryan mean that I'm not Muslim and I believe in the pre-Islamic History and culture of my country. Aryan is not a race, This is a culture and In the old old time, India/Iran/Pakistan/afghanistan... Formed a country called Aryavarte or aryavaeja. The european are not aryan, they are indo-european speakers and never never called themselves aryan before Max Muller theory.

Zoroastrism is my culture, my history and part of my aryan identity.

Cyrus Dorood, man 24 salame, dar farance zendegui mikonam va fekrmikonam ke farad jooda tarafe ma astan.


Wow ! you are a Zoroastrian ? What a coincidence, I am also Zoroastrian. You don't see that many Iranian Zoroastrians these days. I also believe in the pre-Islamic culture as my true culture and I think all other Iranians should do to. In fact I am a big sponser of a group named "Bozorg Baazgasht" which is operating in Europe. They activly convert Iranian muslims into Zoroastrians.

[Semsem]

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/historyiran2.html

Are the Bahaii Zoastarians?

[Semsem]

[QUOTE=Pushtak21]Jews are allowed dogs.
But for Oriental jews. Especailly from Iran and the Stans (non slavic people of th e stans).<<

If you call a person a Kalb "Dog" in Arabic it is a very serious insult. Arabs don't like dogs in general. I have no idea why.

[Pushtak21]

If you call a person a Kalb "Dog" in Arabic it is a very serious insult. Arabs don't like dogs in general. I have no idea why.


Everyone has a pet peeve with animals..

i don't like sharks...
but if you go to Jaffo and Nablus, you would see a wide assortment of Arab sea-food lovers ripping the living out of a mediteranian shark!

[gandolf2005]

If you call a person a Kalb "Dog" in Arabic it is a very serious insult. Arabs don't like dogs in general. I have no idea why.

I spent over 7 months in arab countrys...never saw a dog or a cat...never

[Pushtak21]

I spent over 7 months in arab countrys...never saw a dog or a cat...never


Yea!
Spend it in the UAE where its +50 each day...

like to see some dogs wandering around.

[Mediocrates]

There are no mosquitos in Las Vegas either - too hot, too dry.

I used to work for a French missile engineer who spent some time in Algeria and he would tell that at 140F and 2% RHI not much of anything wanders around for more than 15 minutes w/o pitching over dead.

[Iranian-Aryan]

Wow ! you are a Zoroastrian ? What a coincidence, I am also Zoroastrian. You don't see that many Iranian Zoroastrians these days. I also believe in the pre-Islamic culture as my true culture and I think all other Iranians should do to. In fact I am a big sponser of a group named "Bozorg Baazgasht" which is operating in Europe. They activly convert Iranian muslims into Zoroastrians.

No I have no religion, I 'm Aryan from the aryavarta country, It means that I believe That Vedas were present in Iran before zoroaster. I believe that zoroastrism is a mutation of Vedas. Zoroastrism is the specific culture of Iranian. And all Iranian should have an aryan zoroastrian identity. Religion is too complex.