Peace

[hskrox]

To make Peace with Israel and Palestine should be like this:
1) Give Palestinians what they want.
2)Leave them alone
3) Make sure they leave Israel alone. :)

[Vic]

In what order?

[ibrodsky]

And what do the Palestinians want?

They were offered a state, but turned it down.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad make no secret of the fact they want to destroy Israel.

The PLO was established to destroy Israel. Later, they adopted a policy change: first get a state, then use it as a stepping stone to destroy Israel.

Your idea is great if you ignore the real problem.

[hskrox]

Question: Do you like Bush? No.
Would you want the world to judge us by our texan president, I think not. The Palestinians did not turn down the offer by Barak. However, Arafat did. Unfortunately, he is their sovereign leader, and he is the only man the palestinians wish to follow...yet. :D

[elke]

Originally posted by hskrox
Question: Do you like Bush? No.
Would you want the world to judge us by our texan president, I think not. The Palestinians did not turn down the offer by Barak. However, Arafat did. Unfortunately, he is their sovereign leader, and he is the only man the palestinians wish to follow...yet. :D

You are right about that: apparently, many in the Palestinian delegation wanted to accept the deal, according to Dennis Ross. But what do you propose? If enough people don't like Bush, he won't be occupying the White House in less than 4 years. It seems that the Palestinians don't have such benign ways of "offing" their leaders, so what to do?

[MGB8]

Originally posted by hskrox
To make Peace with Israel and Palestine should be like this:
1) Give Palestinians what they want.
2)Leave them alone
3) Make sure they leave Israel alone. :)

The problem is that the Palestinian people, as a whole, do not know what they want. They have been promised all of Israel, not part, and over the last 9 years, instead of being prepared for accepting a realistic solution for their own national statehood, they were made to believe even more extreme things.

Here's my solution.

every time a Palestinian Arab committs a crime on Israeli territory (including the west bank, and crimes including throwing stones at soldiers - we call that assault here in the states), if the person does not have Israeli citizenship, expell them from the country.

I don't care to where. Just not in Israel.

I am more and more believing that Israel is too small to afford to give up the west bank, considering all the unstable regimes around it. How easy would it be to simply rip up a peace document and invade israel again, should for example a King Hussein be assasinated?

The Arabs who live in Israel will have to make a choice, either accept Israeli citizenship, or move to another country - an arab country if they believe that is the only type of country which they can live in.

No one has a "right" to a state. They have claims, but no "right." Frankly, a lot of the Palestinain claims are Pure BS, and historical research proves that out. But there certainly are some Arab claims to the land. The reality of the situation is, however, that Israel can not afford to let those claims weigh more than its own claims to the land.

[hskrox]

Does anyone remember how the two began to fight?
In 1943, some disgruntled Jews were upset when Palestinians began protests for all of the holy land to be Palestine. What do they do? they invade a town of Palestinians (after stealing guns from Brits.). When the mayor surrendered the city, the head poncho of the Jewish invaders runs him through w/ a bayonet. Then, they kill everyone in the town. A total of 1500 people. Thousands of other Palestinians run for their lives, leaving their homes in Israel, and becoming Palestinian Refugees in the West Bank, and Jordan.

[cerulean]

I don't think the event you are describing occurred how you said, but that was hardly the start of Jewish-Arab hostilities in the region. For one thing, you are neglecting to mention the 1929 massacre of Jews in Hebron.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by hskrox
Does anyone remember how the two began to fight?
In 1943, some disgruntled Jews were upset when Palestinians began protests for all of the holy land to be Palestine. What do they do? they invade a town of Palestinians (after stealing guns from Brits.). When the mayor surrendered the city, the head poncho of the Jewish invaders runs him through w/ a bayonet. Then, they kill everyone in the town. A total of 1500 people. Thousands of other Palestinians run for their lives, leaving their homes in Israel, and becoming Palestinian Refugees in the West Bank, and Jordan.


Ever consider a career as a writer of fiction?

[elke]

Originally posted by hskrox
Does anyone remember how the two began to fight?
In 1943, some disgruntled Jews were upset when Palestinians began protests for all of the holy land to be Palestine. What do they do? they invade a town of Palestinians (after stealing guns from Brits.). When the mayor surrendered the city, the head poncho of the Jewish invaders runs him through w/ a bayonet. Then, they kill everyone in the town. A total of 1500 people. Thousands of other Palestinians run for their lives, leaving their homes in Israel, and becoming Palestinian Refugees in the West Bank, and Jordan.

First of all, the two began to fight long before 1943. Serious massacres of the Jews occurred at least as early as '20s.

Second of all, you seem to be referring to Deir Yassin. That was an ugly occurrence, but there are at least three errors in your description:
1. This occurred on April 9, 1948 - not in 1943
2. 254 people died, at most, not 1500
3. The village and its inhabitants were, according to many historical records, non-belligerent, it's true. They apparently declined to let in any Arab forces, and made a deal with a neighboring Jewish settlement for mutual non-aggression. However, when they were attacked the Deir Yassinians did resist.

Irgun and Stern Gang, the perpetrators of this event, were not under direct supervision of Ben Gurion's proto-government. The deed was condemned by Ben Gurion and Haganah, who apologized and sent ambulances, doctors, etc. etc.to the site to help alleviate the disaster. Irgun and Stern Gang were relieved of their responsibility to continue the military operation in the area, immediately after this.

Here is a link to the Red Cross report: http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/redcross.htm

[hskrox]

That was before Zionism and ANti Zionism dug in.

[elke]

Originally posted by hskrox
That was before Zionism and ANti Zionism dug in.

What are you referring to? What was before Zionism and anti-Zionism?