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savvy
07-25-2005, 10:36 AM
From the Globe and Mail,
A controversial Toronto imam warned Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan at a closed-door meeting to stop "terrorizing" Canadian Muslims.
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders.
The meeting was part of an effort by Ms. McLellan to reach out to Canadian Muslims amid complaints that the RCMP and Canadian Security Intelligence Service are engaging in racial profiling.
The minister and her officials have been meeting community leaders to explain they are not targeting Muslims generally, only individuals with possible terrorist links.
By many accounts, the meetings have been positive and are contributing to a thaw in relations between Muslims and security agents, even if the exchange in May was a little heated.
Mr. Hindy, who has long complained that CSIS is spying on him, his family and his mosque, told Ms. McLellan that a young Muslim woman complained to him she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers. This allegation could spur reprisals because "our women are the most valuable thing to us" and "for a Muslim, honour is more important than his life," Mr. Hindy said in a recent interview.
He made the point to the minister. Several people who attended shrugged off the imam's remarks, but some Muslims and government agents later approached Mr. Hindy asking him to explain himself.
"The police came to me and said, 'This is a kind of threat,' and I said yes," he said. "But it's for the good of this country.
"And they said, 'Do you know some of the names of those people you expect to cause some problems?' And I said, 'You just open the telephone directory.' "
RichardP
07-25-2005, 03:00 PM
It will be interesting to see how this is handled. This imam should be taken in by CSIS for a more thorough interrogation. In all likelihood this will not come to pass, as we are the placaters of placaters!
lears I
08-20-2005, 08:59 PM
I believe this is just the first bite out of a very bitter fruit.
No doubt every nation will be served this same fruit.
I suppose its got something to do with Canada's support for the invasion of Iraq...wait a second did this country support the invasion of Iraq??
I suppose its got something to do with Canada's support for the invasion of Iraq...wait a second did this country support the invasion of Iraq??
No, Canada is a Civilised country.
minusthejihad
08-21-2005, 12:04 AM
No, Canada is a Civilised country.
Exactly the kind of differnce the Islamists notice obviously. Actually, Canada is like America's little gay brother.
minusthejihad
08-21-2005, 12:05 AM
No, Canada is a Civilised country.
Exactly the kind of differnce the Islamists notice obviously. Actually, Canada is like America's little gay brother.
Exactly the kind of differnce the Islamists notice obviously. Actually, Canada is like America's little gay brother.
I compare Canada to light cigarettes, America Light, you think it's healthier but does the same damage.
savvy
08-21-2005, 12:56 PM
Canada did not support the war in Iraq. It sent peace keeping troops to Afghanisthan and has been very friendly and tolerant towards Muslims, so if they strike us, we are in trouble, cause we don't have a strong army, the only thing we'll be throwing at them is our beavers. God save Canada. :(
RichardP
08-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Canada did not support the war in Iraq. It sent peace keeping troops to Afghanisthan and has been very friendly and tolerant towards Muslims, so if they strike us, we are in trouble, cause we don't have a strong army, the only thing we'll be throwing at them is our beavers. God save Canada. :(
Our little Gay brothers! I love it… that says it all. As savvy mentioned, we have no military to speak of; post-war Canada became dependent upon on the US, our kindly neighbour to the south, to do so. Then, our inferiority-complex and false sense of self-righteousness, kicked in, along with our socialist mindset (cradle to grave: hell, let the government do it). It was at this point, in time, we began to kick and scratch our defender and ungraciously lash out with our sequined handbag.
Our government, like their Euro cousins, believe placating and kowtowing to Radical-Islam will be our saving grace. This, of course, isn’t true; however, for some inane and illogical reasoning many believe it.
We, like many Euros, wish to remain on the periphery and let the Americans and their true allies take the consequences. Yes, we have courageous troops in Afghanistan, I have friends there. However, there is a time when, so called peacekeeping doesn’t resolve a crisis but solely fans the flames (Rwanda) and, as history has revealed, there are times one has to fight the enemy face-to-face, which we didn’t or weren’t mandated to do. Nor, do we dare to join the war on terror directly.
Frankly, it will be no surprise, when Canada is hit by the Islamo-Fascists. It will be interesting too, whom will bear the brunt of the blame and our wrath: my money is on the “Great Satanâ€, our friend to the south. After all, the US is the true “bad guyâ€; Islam is the religion of peace in the eyes our politically-correct nation.
Ephraim
09-10-2005, 03:06 PM
Actually, Canada is like America's little gay brother.
:D :D :D
Perhaps Islam will cut their throats with a sharp knife rather than a dull knife??
Ephraim
09-10-2005, 03:07 PM
Canada did not support the war in Iraq. It sent peace keeping troops to Afghanisthan and has been very friendly and tolerant towards Muslims, so if they strike us, we are in trouble, cause we don't have a strong army, the only thing we'll be throwing at them is our beavers. God save Canada. :(
You do have excellent snipers; who helped us greatly in Afghanistan. Unless of course your government kicked them out of the service for being "insensitive" to Muslims.
Reffo
09-10-2005, 03:43 PM
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders.Or in other words........careful.......we are irrational..........don't mess with us because we are not responsible for our own actions......
On a more serious note, people like these know exactly what they are saying. They are trying to intimidate others into backing off. People who study game theory can demonstrate that this type of tactic is far from being irrational, it can be very effective.
GoronwyElias
09-26-2005, 11:04 AM
Dear brothers and sisters in the love and fear of God,
In the spirit of True Christian unity I have long foresworn criticism of the Church of England. I have thus kept silent about the Romish transvestism of Anglicanism, its obscene "laying on of hands", its suffering of priestesses as if it were some Santeria cult of mulatto lubriciousness, and its craven failure to stand up and testify to the Living Christ in the face of attacks from the lieberal Philistines who are turning our country into a City of the Plains and the martyrdom of True Christians in the lands occupied by Muslims from the Moluccas to Muswell Hill.
I am glad that the Lord bade me hold my tongue, for there are true signs of wonder that the Anglican communion might be moving towards True Christianity.
The former Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr George Carey, has spoken out against the moral cess that fools call Islam and called on its debased adepts to repent and embrace morality, by which he clearly means True Christianity. His words are an inspiration, and stand in contrast to the hollow mockery of faith paraded by his bearded Pharisee of an "successor", the warlock "Rowan" Williams.
We are all indebted to Mrs Owain-Prys Mereryd Gryffudd for typing in the report from today's Daily Telegraph, so please include her in your prayers.
I have commented on the text here or there, to bring out Dr Carey's salient points.
Yn enw Iesu Grist ein Harglwydd,
Rev G Elias (MA)
Muslim culture has contributed little for centuries, says Carey
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
(Filed: 26/03/2004)
Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, launched a trenchant attack on Islamic culture last night, saying it was authoritarian, inflexible and under-achieving.
In a speech that will upset sensitive relations between the faiths, he denounced moderate Muslims for failing unequivocally to condemn the "evil" of suicide bombers.
Dr Carey acknowledged most Muslims are peaceful people (because they are too benighted to be able to purchase arms! - GE). He attacked the "glaring absence" of democracy in Muslim countries, suggested that they had contributed little of major significance to world culture for centuries and criticised the Islamic faith.
Dr Carey's comments, in a lecture in Rome (like Daniel into the lion's den, Dr Carey! - GE), are the most forthright by a senior Church leader. He was speaking on the eve of a seminar of Christian and Muslim scholars in New York, led by his successor as archbishop, Dr Rowan Williams (who treats with Amalek, in defiance of Scripture - GE).
He acknowledged that most Muslims were peaceful people who should not be demonised (indeed, their possession by evil spirits is to be opposed by ordeal, if necessary - - GE). But he said that terrorist acts such as the September 11 attacks on America and the Madrid bombings raised difficult questions.
Contrasting western democracy with Islamic societies, he said: "Throughout the Middle East and North Africa we find authoritarian regimes with deeply entrenched leadership, some of which rose to power at the point of a gun and are retained in power by massive investment in security forces (this is not of itself a bad thing - it depends on whether these profane tools are sanctified and consecrated to The Lord - GE).
"Whether they are military dictatorships or traditional sovereignties, each ruler seems committed to retaining power and privilege."
Dr Carey said he was not convinced by arguments that Islam and democracy were incompatible (indeed, they are both sadly all too common - GE), citing the example of Turkey.
He urged Europeans and Americans to resist claims that Islamic states were morally, spiritually and culturally superior (to which Americans can he be referring? A typesetting error, no doubt - GE).
"Although we owe much to Islam handing on to the West many of the treasures of Greek thought, the beginnings of calculus, Aristotelian thought (should we really be grateful for the Greek legacy of necromancy and homosexualism? - GE) during the period known in the West as the dark ages, it is sad to relate that no great invention has come for many hundred years from Muslim countries," he said.
"This is a puzzle, because Muslim peoples are not bereft of brilliant minds (which they devote to devising novel methods of self-immolation and new perversions involving livestock, the internal organs of goats, and melons - GE). They have much to contribute to the human family and we look forward to the close co-operation that might make this possible (through their repentance and submission to The Christ - GE).
"Yes, the West has still much to be proud of and we should say so strongly. We should also encourage Muslims living in the West to be proud of it and say so to their brothers and sisters living elsewhere (that they too should bow down before The One True God and cast out the stone idol of the Kaabah - GE)."
Dr Carey said that, while Christianity and Judaism had a long history of often painful critical scholarship, Islamic theology was only now being challenged to become more open to examination.
"In the case of Islam, Mohammed, acknowledged by all in spite of his religious greatness to be an illiterate man, is said to have received God's word direct, word by word from angels, and scribes recorded them later.
"Thus believers are told, because they have come direct from Allah, they are not to be questioned or revised (as is only the case with The Holy Bible, and not the ravings of a drugged Bedouin goatherd - GE).
"In the first few centuries of the Islamic era, Islamic theologians sought to meet the challenge this implied, but during the past 500 years critical scholarship has declined, leading to strong resistance to modernity."
Dr Carey said that moderate Muslims must "resist strongly" the taking over of Islam by radical activists "and to express strongly, on behalf of the many millions of their co-religionists, their abhorrence of violence done in the name of Allah".
He said: "We look to them to condemn suicide bombers and terrorists who use Islam as a weapon to destabilise and destroy innocent lives. Sadly, apart from a few courageous examples, very few Muslim leaders condemn clearly and unconditionally the evil of suicide bombers who kill innocent people.
"We need to hear outright condemnation of theologies that state that suicide bombers are martyrs and enter a martyr's reward."
Christians, who shared many values with Muslims, such as respect for the family, must speak out against the persecution they often encountered in Muslim countries.
"During my time as archbishop, this was my constant refrain: that the welcome we have given to Muslims in the West, with the accompanying freedom to worship freely and build their mosques, should be reciprocated in Muslim lands," he said (for the benefit of Muslims as much as Christians, so that the former might see the Light That Saves - GE).
Dr Carey, who initiated several top-level meetings between Christian and Islamic leaders during his time at Lambeth Palace, urged the West to tackle the Palestinian problem (by liberating The Holy Land from its barbarian occupiers - GE) and other inequalities in the Muslim world.
"It will do us little good if the West simply believes that the answer is to put an end to Osama bin Laden. Rather, we must put an end to conditions, distortions and misinformation that create him and his many emulators (by freeing Muslim-run lands from the curse of Islam - GE)."
Iqbal Sacranie, the secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said that Dr Carey's comments "saddened" him.
"He should be well aware that mainstream Muslim organisations have consistently condemned terrorist acts but their statements are often ignored by the media," he said.
"Dr Carey is trampling on a very sensitive area by referring to the Koran and the traditions of the Prophet.
srirangan
10-03-2005, 11:23 AM
Canada did not support the war in Iraq. It sent peace keeping troops to Afghanisthan and has been very friendly and tolerant towards Muslims :(
But then you guys still are "infidels" so you are a legitimate target for them.
Canada is a terrorist friendly country.
They require a wake up call as like what happened to another terrorist friendly country - their Mother - the UK!
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control,"
Obviously.
They go beyond control.
They GUIDE! :eek:
Asim Aquil
10-12-2005, 11:24 AM
Obviously.
They go beyond control.
They GUIDE! :eek:
Guide < Control.
water
10-12-2005, 11:36 AM
Canada is a terrorist friendly country.
They require a wake up call as like what happened to another terrorist friendly country - their Mother - the UK!
i agree Canada plays a mouth with the world
we let in all the nazi who have grown fat and comfordable
now all the terrorist
the govorment sent with bomb all the while proping them self up with this false self rightjustness
Thesirov
10-12-2005, 08:18 PM
Such professionalism. So astute and benevolent. I wonder why there exists such distrust towards the Jewish collective.
Will you allow me the chance to begin anew an idea I have toyed with? Or will you shut me out instantly?
My 'challenge' is simplistic. Not unlike myself. No threat to the chosen elite. What say you? Shall we discuss matters?
You know me.
Let's chatter.
adieu
The good Imam should be interrogated and then deported.
If he is a Canadian citizen, he should be jailed on charges of sedition and inciting racial and religious hatred.
End of Chapter. End of the Imam's big talk!
From the Globe and Mail,
A controversial Toronto imam warned Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan at a closed-door meeting to stop "terrorizing" Canadian Muslims.
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders.
The meeting was part of an effort by Ms. McLellan to reach out to Canadian Muslims amid complaints that the RCMP and Canadian Security Intelligence Service are engaging in racial profiling.
The minister and her officials have been meeting community leaders to explain they are not targeting Muslims generally, only individuals with possible terrorist links.
By many accounts, the meetings have been positive and are contributing to a thaw in relations between Muslims and security agents, even if the exchange in May was a little heated.
Mr. Hindy, who has long complained that CSIS is spying on him, his family and his mosque, told Ms. McLellan that a young Muslim woman complained to him she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers. This allegation could spur reprisals because "our women are the most valuable thing to us" and "for a Muslim, honour is more important than his life," Mr. Hindy said in a recent interview.
He made the point to the minister. Several people who attended shrugged off the imam's remarks, but some Muslims and government agents later approached Mr. Hindy asking him to explain himself.
"The police came to me and said, 'This is a kind of threat,' and I said yes," he said. "But it's for the good of this country.
"And they said, 'Do you know some of the names of those people you expect to cause some problems?' And I said, 'You just open the telephone directory.' "
He's kinda right, we have to free ourselves from the Zionists, stop fightng their wars, stop being the number one enemy of a billion people.
What has the relationship with Israel brought us? Except the USS Liberty affair (www.ussliberty.org), the Lavon Affair, the Pollard Affair, a huge image problem, 3 trillion dollars of losses etc?
It's time to say it out loud: No Wars for Israel!! (www.nowarforisrael.com).
Achihud
10-21-2005, 11:45 AM
He's kinda right, we have to free ourselves from the Zionists, stop fightng their wars, stop being the number one enemy of a billion people.
It's time to say it out loud: (...) No Wars for Israel!![/url]. Sure I'll sign this pathetic selfish knee-shaking petition for peace at all democracy-free world costs!!! The only question is...may I sign under the name: SATAN...the one who will soon own the souls of all of you...
Please note, Bart cites one incident from more than 50 years ago, the discredited "USS Liberty Affair" which was in fact US Spying on Israel, John Pollard (Israel spying on the US - yes, allies do spy on each other, a US Sub was spying on Israel just a few months ago) etc.... to do what?
To justify abandoning Israel to the wolves and Arab genocide. He ignores that Al-queda attacked the US (several times before 9/11, btw) not because of Israel but because of US involvement in Saudi Arabia and the Energy center of the world. But he needs a scapegoat, so he picks the "evil Jooos." This guy is at best a Vicci American.
Achihud
10-24-2005, 12:17 PM
One last thing. I was kind of hoping that you would survive the weekend but you didn't.
(...) stop being the number one enemy of a billion people. Is this an argument because it sounds like an argument... :D
Seriously, truth is an argument, justice is an argument. A billion people isn't, 10 billion still won't!
If it were a 1000 people, would you sign? Apparently not because you wouldn't have used that chicken-argument then! So in that case you have my recommendation to read a thread of Reffo called: Leftist-Antisemitism. (see Tackling AS)
It's about your disease...
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