Why they hate us....

[MGB8]

Why the Arabs hate Israel is a complex question, but one that needs to be explored. I have come to certain conclusions, and the primary one is that the Arabs hate Israel for one reason more than any other: pride.

You see, Israel is a sore in the Arab's side. It is the West in the mideast. By the 20th century, the once glorious Arab nations were under the thumb of European imperialism. Britain and France ruled them, dominated them, and shamed them with their military and economic superiority.

Unlike India, the Arab nations did not "win" their independence (by passive resistance and nonviolence, might I add). They remain shamed. But unlike Africa, they were not powerless, they had the lifeblood of modern industry - oil. Lawrence of Arabia was European.

Israel, however, is a constant reminder of the West's dominance over the Arab states. Israel is a tiny country, a country of JEWS, no less (not exactly known for their fighting prowess), that consistently defeated much larger Arab forces - of multiple nations, not 1-on-1. Israel has a modern economy, unlike the rest of the mideast. It developed the Nuclear bomb. It survived without their oil. It survived with a democracy, as opposed to a paternalistic dictatorship. Israel is a leader in science and technology. It made the desert bloom. It survived all the ways (economic, political pressure through Europe, terrorism) that the Arab nations tried to destroy it with.

And that is a reminder to the Arab people of what they HAVE NOT done. It is a constant reminder of their failures.

And that is why there can be no real peace until the Arab nations are themselves reformed into modern democracies. Because until they have pride in themselves, the only source of their pride will be the hope that Israel will eventually be destroyed.

[Mediocrates]

Not because of those things, in spite of those things. For whatever reason they can name today, tomorrow or the next century, they hate us. The always have and always will. Whether it's shame or arrogance or ignorance or displacement of rage directed at themselves or something they suckled from their mother's breast. It's not rationale, it defies explanation or analysis or frankly, much time wasted spent dwelling on it. Like my mama used to say "Don't forget you're Jewish because nobody else will."

Maybe it's cultural or political or who cares why. Whatever reason you can ascribe will apply equally to a million other people who can get along with each other and with Jews, at least at arms' length. Maybe it's about that they lived in the bronze age in living memory and we send people into space for fun. Maybe they can't get good halal Burger King. Maybe we don't have to spend time brushing the teeth that bite us.

[Mediocrates]

And that is why there can be no real peace until the Arab nations are themselves reformed into modern democracies. Because until they have pride in themselves, the only source of their pride will be the hope that Israel will eventually be destroyed.


I don't even believe this anymore. I believe that given an opportunity, if they held wide open elections they would opt for fascism. The Algerians did, why not the others?

[genghis_tom]

The other day, I had the opportunity to listen to a radio interview with Thomas Friedman. Among other things, in this interview he mentioned portions of this article. article (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/opinion/15friedman.html?ex=1279080000&en=881732206e2082d5&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)

A portion relevant to this discussion follows,
"Part of what seems to be going on with these young Muslim males is that they are, on the one hand, tempted by Western society, and ashamed of being tempted. On the other hand, they are humiliated by Western society because while Sunni Islamic civilization is supposed to be superior, its decision to ban the reform and reinterpretation of Islam since the 12th century has choked the spirit of innovation out of Muslim lands, and left the Islamic world less powerful, less economically developed, less technically advanced than God 2.0, 1.0 and 0.0.

"Some of these young Muslim men are tempted by a civilization they consider morally inferior, and they are humiliated by the fact that, while having been taught their faith is supreme, other civilizations seem to be doing much better," said Raymond Stock, the Cairo-based biographer and translator of Naguib Mahfouz. "When the inner conflict becomes too great, some are turned by recruiters to seek the sick prestige of 'martyrdom' by fighting the allegedly unjust occupation of Muslim lands and the 'decadence' in our own."

Yes, this article is more a description of European Muslims than Israeli/Palestinian Muslims, but the same principle applies in "Western" Israel and is magnified by the fact that the conflict between their civilizations has a long history.

[minusthejihad]

You never know with Thomas Friedman, sometimes he says the most idiotic things from his self-righteous pulpit, and then he writes something apolitical and I can actually tolerate it. Speaking of, has anyone seen any interviews or speeches by Bernard-Henri Levy lately as he's doing a book tour for "American Vertigo" which I have not read yet but plan on it. Some of my liberal Jew friends went ans saw his speech in LA and were quite surprised by how pro-USA Bernard came off. I saw him on Tavis last night and was actually very impressed.

But I agree with Medio, trying to get to the root cause of "why they hate us" is as useful as trying to figure out why you can't potty train your cat.

[Gilgamesh]

I think Jews are hates by Arabs, for similar reasons Jews were always hated by others:

We Jews are the only people (at least in the West) who hold true and absolute defenitions of Justice, morality, religious and ideological tolerance, skptisism, human humidity before G-d's greatness, beliefe in the imperfection and inherit deficencies of men, even the greatest of the great, the Jewish beliefe in a better future, the idea of reward and punishment, equal reaction to any action, choise and so much more...

Jew's worst enemies, are always those who wish controll over morality (such as the Nazis and communist and now far-leftists), trynats who believed they're own devinity, feudals wishing to preserve surfdom and their own privilages for all times, religious leaders who considered their own thoughts to be absolute truth and beyoned critisism or skeptisism, Judges who rulled unjustly to serve an evil political agenda... ALL were enemies of the Jewish people just because the Jewish people presented a working and superior alternative.

This is no incedent, that a working modern democracy, such as that of USA, has coppied and influanced so much, by ideas first presented in the Hebrew bible. Ideas such rule of law, justice, equallity of all men before the law, the right to persue happyness, skeptisism which manifested in freedom of speach, religious tolerance and ect...

Arabs wish to create a society where none [from what mention above] exists. Arabs want a society where religious leaders speak the words of god and no-one allowed to doubt their words and live, Judges which bend the law in favour of the strong, self rightouse tyrants who believe in their own personal divine mission to do what ever they're whim or caprise takes them. The religious justicifaction for enslavement of others, women children, blacks and those of different racial or religious affiliation.

[LebaneseJustice]

well i have to agree that the arab world today is a shame for example we have Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc all of them are traitors for Israel and the U.S policy

the Zionism is a very smart organization they have build governments in the arab world that are traitors to its people, dictatorship, poor people and i really dont blame the Zionist state for that i blame the arab people what does they fear look at the Palestinian they dont fear anything because they beilive in the cause but the other arabs the only thing they think about how will i feed my family today and they never ask them selfs why?

what i really hate when they go out on demonstrations and what does they do? burn a flag and yell that is so stupid what do they get from that? its just stupid i hate when i see people do that burn a flag :mad:

anyway i just want to say i dont hate you i dont hate anyone
but i am of course agianst the Zionist Terror if there was not zionist in this world we would never heard something called Al-Qaeda or some other terror groups in the Middle east Zionist is the source of terrorism

[Eil]

in simple words, you don't listen to them.u don't listen to what they want.maybe if you just listen it will be a good start to build bridges for peace.
as lebanese my priority is peace, everlasting peace with all my neighbours. I hope peace will be a priority among all nations.

[Watcher07]

I don't hate you, I just don't like what you're doing to the Arab people.

[Nutts]

We Jews are hated in paradoxes...

Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but well we dominate the economy and take over the world.
We are hated for trying so hard to maintain our race... but when we do assimilate they say we are trying to expand our racial purity through intermarriages.
We are seen as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists... but the majority of jews are not leftists...

It seems that we just can't win.

[Tokyo_Girl]

Why the Arabs hate Israel .

Read ur Bloody History and u will find the answer.


Israel has a modern economy, unlike the rest of the mideast.

U r wrong our economy is the best in the Middle east.


It survived without their oil.

Wrong again .. !! we used just about 9-7%.


and u have to be sure from ur sources before posting anything ..

[MGB8]

All that oil money, and all you get is resorts and gilded palms... instead of a diversified (non-petro-based) economy or making the desert truly bloom... with all that money...

[kurdland]

with my smoking english :D
i do blieve even seudia arabia blong to israeil because in mohamd time there was more jwish then arabs in makka and maddain .and why they hate isreailian pll nobody knows because theres no reason. they are more nice then arabs and turks and fashisim muslim tirorisim !

god bless israeil god bless kurdistan

[kurdland]

see turkish fashisim and racisim army etc >>>> RACIST ATC (http://www.thenausea.com/turkey.html)

[golani]

The other day, I had the opportunity to listen to a radio interview with Thomas Friedman. Among other things, in this interview he mentioned portions of this article. article (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/opinion/15friedman.html?ex=1279080000&en=881732206e2082d5&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)

A portion relevant to this discussion follows,
"Part of what seems to be going on with these young Muslim males is that they are, on the one hand, tempted by Western society, and ashamed of being tempted. On the other hand, they are humiliated by Western society because while Sunni Islamic civilization is supposed to be superior, its decision to ban the reform and reinterpretation of Islam since the 12th century has choked the spirit of innovation out of Muslim lands, and left the Islamic world less powerful, less economically developed, less technically advanced than God 2.0, 1.0 and 0.0.

"Some of these young Muslim men are tempted by a civilization they consider morally inferior, and they are humiliated by the fact that, while having been taught their faith is supreme, other civilizations seem to be doing much better," said Raymond Stock, the Cairo-based biographer and translator of Naguib Mahfouz. "When the inner conflict becomes too great, some are turned by recruiters to seek the sick prestige of 'martyrdom' by fighting the allegedly unjust occupation of Muslim lands and the 'decadence' in our own."

Yes, this article is more a description of European Muslims than Israeli/Palestinian Muslims, but the same principle applies in "Western" Israel and is magnified by the fact that the conflict between their civilizations has a long history.

Agreed
Roots of this hate toward Jews are based on kuran (surats from Medina and hadiths)
Muslims always show people peaceful early surats from Meca
Unfortunately, islamic tradition state that these surats have been abrogated by later medina ones
That allow Muslims to project their double face Janus like behaviour
Pubicly ,they support ealy peaceful surats while spreading jihad thru later ones
Make no mistake,muhamed was the perfect terrorist and revered as a perfect man by more than 1 billion people
THAT IS THE PROBLEM....

[kurdland]

I Want U To Know The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Blood Not Only Friend !!!To Believe Go To Kurdistan And Ask People How We Feel About Israeilian People & Theire Regime



BECAUSE WE HAVE SAME STARTIGI IN MIDDLE EAST GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS ISRAEIL GOD BLESS USA GOD BLESS ENGLAND

[Bushwacker]

someones trying to suck his way up to the top...

[SilleEllis]

I am surprised, that not one of you emphasised the major root cause, namely the quran.

Hello by the way. I am new here! :)

[SilleEllis]

Agreed
Roots of this hate toward Jews are based on kuran (surats from Medina and hadiths)
Muslims always show people peaceful early surats from Meca
Unfortunately, islamic tradition state that these surats have been abrogated by later medina ones
That allow Muslims to project their double face Janus like behaviour
Pubicly ,they support ealy peaceful surats while spreading jihad thru later ones
Make no mistake,muhamed was the perfect terrorist and revered as a perfect man by more than 1 billion people
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.... Sorry golani. You did mention it! In a clear voice! :D

[olkiej]

I Want U To Know The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Blood Not Only Friend !!!To Believe Go To Kurdistan And Ask People How We Feel About Israeilian People & Theire Regime



BECAUSE WE HAVE SAME STARTIGI IN MIDDLE EAST GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS ISRAEIL GOD BLESS USA GOD BLESS ENGLAND


lol.. kurdland is dreamland

[golani]

Sorry golani. You did mention it! In a clear voice! :D

No problem my friend,welcome to the forum:D

[SilleEllis]

No problem my friend,welcome to the forum:D Thank you!

[SilleEllis]

Here is brave woman, who dares to speak up:
Because They Hate

By Brigitte Gabriel

FrontPageMagazine.com | February 20, 2006

Link to the article: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21364

[palestinian_eye]

Because you Slptona our land and our house, you know why, despite we does not have weapons but we killed many of you because you do not you defend the right but we are the right owners land and homeland

[golani]

Because you Slptona our land and our house, you know why, despite we does not have weapons but we killed many of you because you do not you defend the right but we are the right owners land and homeland


Yes continue your legimate strugle for all planet
And remain refugees for 10.000 generations
Only refugees from that kind on earth....

[SilleEllis]

No Palestinian needs to be without a place to live. There are lots of places in Palestine, where there is no other violence than the violence the palestinians makes themselves.

They should all go home to Palestine and make peace.

Israel is there to say. It is, always was and will forever remain a legitimate state.

Period.

[golani]

No Palestinian needs to be without a place to live. There are lots of places in Palestine, where there is no other violence than the violence the palestinians makes themselves.

They should all go home to Palestine and make peace.

Israel is there to say. It is, always was and will forever remain a legitimate state.

Period.


Yes,they could settle in palestine near amman,maan or irbid...

[chaver4u2]

Iraq TV Shows U.S. Troop Deaths
Feb 26, 2007

A three-month-old Iraqi satellite TV station is broadcasting graphic videos of U.S. soldier deaths along with anti-American speeches. The Chicago Tribune says U.S. and Iraqi officials would like to shut down the station, Al-Zawraa TV, but have not been able to do so.

Al-Zawraa TV is owned by Sunni politician Mishan al-Jibouri, who fled to Syria last year and runs it out of his Damascus apartment, the Tribune reported. Al-Jibouri said his video comes from insurgent Web sites. "I am convinced millions of people watch this channel," al-Jibouri told the Tribune. "I receive thousands of e-mails every day from Arabs inside and outside the Arab world supporting me."

Many Iraqis check the station once or twice daily, Sunni parliamentarian Salim Abdullah said. "There are too many repeats to watch it all the time, but people like to check it every day," he told the newspaper. "Whether you love it or hate it, everyone is eager to see what's new ... and it's a change from the regular news, which only shows civilians getting blown up."


http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_21266041.shtml

Lovely people, those Arabs. Fake Hollywood or Bollywood violence with Ketchup and stuntmen is not sufficient for these bloodlusting people: no, real deaths, real destruction, real suffering, real torture, real beheadings, real flying bodyparts….that’s what gives them orgasms of pride, a feeling of superiority, and their perpetual urge for those insane demonstrations with idiots shooting Kalashnikovs in the air, screaming with foam on their mouths: “Death to the Jews, death to Israel, death to America.”

Even though the videos of David Pearl’s beheading and the lynching of three Israelis in Ramallah are still on top of the Arab Top 10, images of dragging dead American soldiers through the streets are also in great demand. How sick!!!

With these kinds of “people” we have to negotiate after they have killed us (I know, that’s physically impossible, but that is what the world expects from us), hand them our land and houses, and have them simply push us into the Mediterranean???? Would be great entertainment, wouldn’t it?

Bottom line: we will NOT negotiate with any Palestinian Arabs unless they allow us to live, stop terrorizing us, and recognize our country, Israel.

This is what the Quartet still insists on as well, but for how long………the Russians are stirring, the Muslim-hijacked UN is uncomfortable, and several EU countries are terribly eager to dole out their citizens’ tax money to have the Pali’s buy more weapons, more ammunition, more armored Mercedeses, more Toyota pick-ups, and more “kill the Jew” school books and other propaganda……

[katerina]

I have satellite and I’ve noticed how Arabic channels reporting is very graphic in violence, as well as using impressive images, sound effects and the like. For example they may show a convoy of empty stationary trucks, and play truck engine sounds in the background for no apparent reason.

I had the impression that all of this emphasis on image might have to do with the higher illiteracy rate found in those countries.

Chaver,
You know, I remember from the news that the EU had suspended aid, even before Hamas won, because it was going towards forming armed protection forces, when the EU could see no reason for another such force in the Palestinian territories.

You can say that the standards of accountability in which the EU holds the Palestinians who manage the aid are low. But no European country really has funding


the Pali’s buy more weapons, more ammunition, more armored Mercedeses, more Toyota pick-ups, and more “kill the Jew” school books and other propaganda……
as their agenda. The idea for the aid is to help Palestinians stand on their feet, so they can function more like a normal country and increase the chances of this conflict to end.

From my experience here in Greece, EU money is mismanaged when there are well organised groups to absorb it quickly. For example, here the civil engineers are better established than the environmentalists. So, quite a lot of the EU funds for the environment ended up on road construction. Of course now we are paying the fines…

So I think that the “bad guys” among the Palestinians are stronger and better organised than those who could really use the aid for its intended purpose. That is how the money ends up in the wrong hands. I think.

[Down2Earth]

see turkish fashisim and racisim army etc >>>> RACIST ATC (http://www.thenausea.com/turkey.html)

Good link.:)

[chaver4u2]

Chaver,
You know, I remember from the news that the EU had suspended aid, even before Hamas won, because it was going towards forming armed protection forces, when the EU could see no reason for another such force in the Palestinian territories.

You can say that the standards of accountability in which the EU holds the Palestinians who manage the aid are low. But no European country really has funding

as their agenda. The idea for the aid is to help Palestinians stand on their feet, so they can function more like a normal country and increase the chances of this conflict to end.

From my experience here in Greece, EU money is mismanaged when there are well organised groups to absorb it quickly. For example, here the civil engineers are better established than the environmentalists. So, quite a lot of the EU funds for the environment ended up on road construction. Of course now we are paying the fines…

So I think that the “bad guys” among the Palestinians are stronger and better organised than those who could really use the aid for its intended purpose. That is how the money ends up in the wrong hands. I think.

I am amazed you are writing from the sunken island Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος. How do you do that? For centuries people have been looking for this disappeared island, and, whamm….here you are writing from the deep depths of the Mediterranean. Is it as nice as Plato wrote? I see you even have satellite TV. I am impressed. Enlighten us. What are the coordinates of Atlantis?:cool:

The problem with EU money is: there is no accountability from the PA. Arafat was always very upset when people questioned his honesty: HE as President (as he loved to call himself) was capable enough to administer the millions that were flowing to the PA. Result: he became the 12th richest man in 2003, beating Saddam Hussein to it (in spite of the latter's wealth obtained from the UN’s Money, sorry, “Food” for Oil Program).

After having suffered too much and too long from the 1973 oil embargo, and having been the longest and most fervent ally of Israel since 1948, Holland became after 1973 the most progressive Pali supporter, doling out the most free money per capita. In fact, in terms of total money donated (wasted) the Dutch are number 3.

From 1948 till 2000 the Palis have received more money per capita then all other refugees in the world put together. Besides that, they are the only refugees in the world that have kept the status “refugee” for almost 60 years.

But since Hamas forced itself upon the Palestinians (popularly called, by people like Dhimmy Carter, by means of a “fair” democratic election), the money available for poor Palis is still ending up in the hands of their leadership.

Even aid-in-kind is lining the pockets of the PA scumbags, whether Hamas or Fatah, they are all the same. Dialysis machines and tons of medicine donated recently by Sweden, Holland and Israel (yes, Israel) ended up in no time on the black market in Cairo. And the CNN keeps on broadcasting their tearjerkers from deprived Pali hospitals.

More than 60% of the $113 million Holland had donated to build Gaza harbor, Karni industrial park, and the airport, has ended up in Arafat’s pockets, either through direct siphoning off or through ridiculous prices his own companies charged for trucks, cranes, cement, bricks, wood and fasteners. We all know what happened: when Israeli patrol boats were shot at from semi-finished Gaza harbor, they shot back, so now the harbor is no harbor no more. The same happened to part of the airport. Karni the Palis destroyed themselves, as they destroyed every greenhouse and pumping system we Israelis left behind in Gaza.

I am afraid that the EU, UN, US and Japanese monies will continue to flow the way it has always flowed: into the wrong hands. If not now, then tomorrow.

[katerina]

How is Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος? Well, its a little wet… Nice and quiet though. Everything moves slowly here. :)

I wasn’t aware of the extent of the corruption in the PA. When it is so widespread, I think we can talk of a culture of corruption. This seems to be common in many developing countries. Nigeria - if I am not mistaken - is sitting on the world’s biggest oil reserves, yet the children there still die of malaria.

I think the antidote to such a culture of corruption, is democracy, in the real sense of the word. I mean when people are informed, participate, and exercise their political thinking. It looks like this is still missing from Palestinian society.

It might sound crazy, but I am really optimistic about Palestine though. I think in the long run, it can really work and be a successful country. Others have made it, why not the Palestinians?

[andak01]

Agreed
Roots of this hate toward Jews are based on kuran (surats from Medina and hadiths) Muslims always show people peaceful early surats from Meca
Unfortunately, islamic tradition state that these surats have been abrogated by later medina ones That allow Muslims to project their double face Janus like behaviour Pubicly ,they support ealy peaceful surats while spreading jihad thru later ones Make no mistake,muhamed was the perfect terrorist and revered as a perfect man by more than 1 billion people
THAT IS THE PROBLEM....

Muslims, whether extremists or not never made any secret of what jihad is about. The lesser jihad is about defending ones religion from an outside threat. Just like any other concept, this one has been heavily abused in the past and in the present by self-serving people. The Muslim extremist version of preemptive self-defense is to attack the West before being attacked, to terrorize before being terrorized, not in any way related to a true defensive posture. And of course, imperialism, or in this case Ottomaniacal imperialism has a long history of employing the word defense to describe what can only be an attack. The entire Roman Empire from the time of the Sabines goes back to the preemptive concept. It is a concept which rattles the stability of the world rather than stablizing it and which is of detriment to anyone not at the top of the power chain within the group which employs it. No nation or group can feel itself safe from another nation or group which bases attacks not on agreed upon international standards; but upon its own whims. Powerful empires and crime syndicates etc. have all been destroyed by such hubris. The Islamist of today are acting more like crime syndicates than empires and their final destruction will happen the same day that all organized crime is permanently defeated. That war on crime was established decades if not centuries ago and like the war on poverty or the war on drugs, it has its own industry and not a lot else to recommend it. The answer to all of these wars is the manner in which we raise our children.

[angel]

Hi I been watching this forum for some time and decided to join. I am dumfounded at how the hate for Israel
Started in Egypt way back in bc before mosses led them in the wilds for 40 years. And today the hate is still there it seemed to be implanted with something no one still don’t know quite sure what it is. If I remember my history right. Back in Egypt. The belief of the Jews was hated because god chose them as his people. So what do you think. Its still here. This must be the reason because that’s the reason the hate started and went on every generation to this day. i think thats a lame reason to hate israel but its not what i think its dates way back to the begining. what did the haters of israel do. grow it?

[bararallu]

I think it has more to do with Pre Christian Hellenes than any other nation actually. We were the only population in the Near East that they could fully culturally colonize. Read up on Hanukkah for the general reasons. In fact we sort of colonized them, they are all Christian, a religion started by Jews.

[angel]

i cant get a post to tech suport
so i have to find out why here. when i make a new post i get a message telling me i dont have access to this option or my connection was disabeld. but i can post here. why can i post here and no place else

[Mediocrates]

check your visitor's messages.

[angel]

ok now let me see...
what message. and if all i can do is reply in this place here now how can i get help to ask what goes on if my input is blocked in the rest of the forum. why am i on trial. i will not be treeted this way take me a is or delete my account and i dont want answers from you your just another member this is posted here because i cant post or get help elsewhere in this forum and i will not play this game. if i got some kind of answer from somone in charge of this forum ill listen so how about some answers no one explained anything to me yet and when i try to go to rules or tech suport i get a message telling me i dont have rights to this option whatever. hey. i dont need this BS. otherwise just talk to thin air

[Mediocrates]

Ok let's try this. Are you talking about creating new threads or are you talking about posting generally? If your question is about creating new threads you have to accumulate a number of posts first - fewer than 20 I believe. Then you can issue new threads. If your question is about posting generally that's a technical problem. What are you seeing and can you describe it?

[sid]

I think Jews are some of the best people...very peaceful...(atleast the jews that we have in India).