Why is Hamas Not Targeted?

[rhodescholar]

Can someone with more intellectual gifts or experience please explain to me why the f--k Israel keeps pressing arafat to stop suicide attacks when they are by and large being implemented by Hamas in the Gaza strip?

They are launching them with impunity, gleefully issuing press releases and warnings about many more similar attacks, yet Israel refuses to specifically target the animals directly responsible. Astounding to me.

Either one of the following is true:

1-arafat is paying for and supporting Hamas
2-Hamas is operating independently of arafat so he cant stop them

In either case, he is irrelelvent, so whats the point of pressing him further? Kill him, expell, him it doesnt matter. They need to attack the terrorism at its source, and they seem completely unwilling to do so. In fact, i cannot find ANY articles where israel has focused a military campaign on hamas. What are they waiting for?

[elke]

I wouldn't pretend to have more intellectual gifts or experience than you, but here are my two cents:

I think that Israel does not want to "invade" WB and Gaza, because they know what kind of metaphorical "BOOM" would be levelled at them for such an invasion. The hope is to pressure Arafat into actually being a leader, which IMHO, he is completely incapable of doing.

However, I do think that Arafat COULD control Hamas, if he actually decided to do so. He is a thug, and thugs seem to have done quite well at handling opposition, historically. The key word here is "opposition": if Arafat perceived them as such, their ass would be grass. IMHO, Israel is trying to do just that: persuade Arafat that Hamas is bad news for him.

[L@mplighterM]

Israel is currently invading the West Bank they claim they are going to reoccupy some of the area.

[L@mplighterM]

I think it would be using tunnel vision if one were to focus only on Hamas. Hamas is only part of a whole the whole being every Islamic Fundamentalist organization. Again I don’t think that one should make a distinction between Islamic extremism vs. Islamic Fundamentalism.

[alexbmn]

so the government of Israel is more concerned about world opinion then the lives of its citizens?

[elke]

I think they are concerned about their citizens, but they believe that the world opinion is very important to the continued survival of Israel.

[goisrael]

I would like to mention that we don't want the UN, EU, NATO or any other orgnization doing acts of war at Israel to stop it from its "intolerable, large, inhuman, against un policy, LOL" acts. I do agree that Israel should go ahead, but Israel is trying to use it's brain!

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by goisrael
I would like to mention that we don't want the UN, EU, NATO or any other orgnization doing acts of war at Israel to stop it from its "intolerable, large, inhuman, against un policy, LOL" acts. I do agree that Israel should go ahead, but Israel is trying to use it's brain!

I think I agree with your post!

[rhodescholar]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM


I think I agree with your post!

I disagree completely, israel stopped using its brain after the 1980s, when it allowed itself to become a victim of world media, leftist europeans and internal doubters/traitors like peres. The strength of character and force of will that existed from 1948 thru the early 1980s is gone, and that more than anything, that is what will lead to the israel's destruction.

At one time the israelis would have done what was necessary, regardless of "world opinion", because the lives of its citizens were considered more important then. But now, the country so badly wants to be a mini america, eating fast food, living the good life, instead of accepting that it is surrounded by animals and death-seekers who will not stop until israel is gone, that it wont take the needed steps. And as a result, any deterrant factor it had is gone, with sharon and the pathetic govt - with traitors calling themselves the Labor party - more focused on maintaining good relations with hypocrites in europe so the trade levels are retained instead of realizing that respect comes from strength, not capitulation.

You believe they are acting "with their brains" by holding back. I for one, realize that ANY OTHER NATION would have crushed the arabs after the first suicide bombing, cant fathom why israel would allow ANYONE- INCLUDING THE US, to stop it from doing what IT MUST against the arab animals. If there is going to be an israel in 10 years, with all of those who died defending the country not dying in vain, the country needs and must strike back with fury, with no little concern for civilian lives on the other side. A message must be sent that israeli blood is not cheap or free. Powell and the US state dept is the lowest form of life on this earth, but i will save that for another post...

Like everything else, after the massive israeli strikes, world fury will die down, the threat will be neutralized, and the world media would have moved on to the next crisis. So what if israel has a hard time economically for a few years from select boycotts? The american jewish community can financially help, plus pressure the US for increased aid in the face of any european boycotts. Plus if israel ever decided to actually maintain a relationship without abandoning the other country (see: lebanon 2000 and China 2001), they could actually begin to take steps to wean themselves off of US aid thru ties with india brazil and other countries who ARE THE FUTURE, not europe whose days are passed. Israel MUST stop acceding to US pressure and begin to form its own base of power and relationships with strategic allies, like those i mentioned above.

Israel needs to look ahead and not back, and stop worrying about things it cant control, because the european trash will never EVER love them, so why spend so much time (and lives) trying to please them? It is so clear and obvious, but i must be missing something - but only sharon knows what it is.

[L@mplighterM]

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Originally posted by L@mplighterM


I think I agree with your post!

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I was joking thruth being I didn't understand the post.

[TheyAre]

I disagree completely, israel stopped using its brain after the 1980s, when it allowed itself to become a victim of world media, leftist europeans and internal doubters/traitors like peres. The strength of character and force of will that existed from 1948 thru the early 1980s is gone, and that more than anything, that is what will lead to the israel's destruction

Only a few more months until Netanyahu is re-elected (thank God). From 1995 to 1997, there were no suicide bombings. None. Zippo. Nottah. Fuhgedaboudit. Arafat understood the last thing he'd see was probably the ugly stucko walls of his office before a sniper picked him off if there was a suicide bombing against Israel. Save from 1995-97, Israel has lost its... recklessness, its roguish kind of charm. All people see today is Sharon sitting around talking in his ominous voice about fences. Back before 1982, Israel would have invaded Gaza, lined up Hamas members in front of a wall with blindfolds and cigarettes (maybe on the cigs), and said to hell with Europe, all they give us is bad wine and ********, pulled the trigger, and within three years they'd be praised for cleaning out the terrorist menace.

Today people look at the United States and say "they'll protect us." BullSHIIIIT. By the time the U.S. would ever get involved in an Arab-Israeli war is about the time the Knesset is steamrolled by Arab Tanks. Of course, Israel would probably nuke the hell out of just about everything if the Arabs got within fifty miles of the Knesset, but you get the idea, and by the time the U.S. ever got involved in a realistic Arab Israeli war, Israel would probably be in Amman, Damascus and Cairo.

I recently said in my first post here that Israel should annex the West Bank. Now they are "retaking" parts of the West Bank, cutting into the 42% Arafat runs. They should saturation-bomb Gaza. Nothing above ten feet should be left standing in that hellhole. Then send in the tanks, and when the Hague or the EU or the UN tries to bring some Colonel in on war crimes charges, show them just how impotent they really are.

Wait one more year. Just one more. By then Netanyahu will have firm control over the government. From 1948 to 1982, we learned that Jewish and Israeli blood was not cheap, and again from 95-97. I hope that from 2003-? that same fact will rule.

[goisrael]

I would agree with that!

[Barak]

Israeli blood ISN'T cheap, and we will prove that soon enough, just trust me. It could be under Bibi, but also under Sharon it is poosible. Hell perhaps even under Peres, just joking of course :p ;)

Let Arafat stay in his mukata, and let him die there. Don't bother arresting, killing him or expelling him, it would be bad for PR also.

All that has to happen is 1 or 2 more mass casualtie strikes (which I hope won't happen) or godforbid a chemical attack. When this happens, it doesn't even matter if Hizballah did it or The Palestinians, they all would be whiped of the border (read map)

[Micah]

Someone gave me this link, just wondering if it can shed some light...

http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r

[redcake]

I fully agree that Israel has lost some backbone by pandering to the world opinion of those who wish them dead.... but...
Is Netanyahu truly the answer? I don't recall his turn as PM doing all
that much to improve the situation. There were less deaths, but it was
right after Oslo, and the current generation of homicide bombers were still
being bred like brainwashed cattle....
Meanwhile, Netanyahu (who is Brooklyn born if i do recall) made the same
concessions, and nogotiations that all the other post-Oslo PM's have made.
I like his tough talk, but I'm not expecting it to prove much use once he's
back in a position where faced with diplomatic pressures.