Israel´s Jewish Population Surpasses United States

[mbczion]

It's official, Israel has now passed America with the world's largest Jewish population....

http://israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=96801

The Geula is now that much closer, Baruch Hashem:)

[physics]

And this trend will continue in the future...as Jewish population will slightly decrease in U.S.

[KettleWhistle]

There is nothing to celebrate here, really. Mostly it is due to assimilation of the American Jewery, a big proportion of which is from the mixed and converted families anyway. And there is nothing wrong with having a big diaspora, as long as there is a strong connection with the homeland. The Irish and the Armenians have huge diasporas, and it haven't done any harm to them.

Instead of calling on Jews to abandon places that are safe and prosperous and move to the equally or more safe, but less prosperous Israel, the Jewish people need to be decrying the lack of unity with the homeland, and the de-nationalization of the Jewish identity.

[mbczion]

There is nothing to celebrate here, really. Mostly it is due to assimilation of the American Jewery, a big proportion of which is from the mixed and converted families anyway. And there is nothing wrong with having a big diaspora, as long as there is a strong connection with the homeland. The Irish and the Armenians have huge diasporas, and it haven't done any harm to them.

Instead of calling on Jews to abandon places that are safe and prosperous and move to the equally or more safe, but less prosperous Israel, the Jewish people need to be decrying the lack of unity with the homeland, and the de-nationalization of the Jewish identity.

KW, here is a quote from one of your posts from the thread about the Israeli Arab wanting to be an IAF pilot:

Cato, the Hamas supporter, Israel is the Jewish state, for Jews, by Jews. Not an Arab state. Not a Jewish state for Arabs by Jews. The Jews are the only natives to the land of Israel. All others are foreigners, just like Jews are in every other nation state.

For my part, I pray to see the Geula happen in my day, as well as all Jews coming home to Eretz Yisrael, the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikash, and the Moshiach....

BIMHEIRA BE'YAMEINU

[golani]

It's official, Israel has now passed America with the world's largest Jewish population....

http://israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=96801

The Geula is now that much closer, Baruch Hashem:)

Do not mistake the facts:Jews population slightly increases in Israel,dwindles in the US:"Good " news ???????????

[mbczion]

Do not mistake the facts:Jews population slightly increases in Israel,dwindles in the US:"Good " news ???????????

Yes; the more Jews in Israel and the less in the diaspora, the closer to the Geula and the better....

Time is running out for Jews in the diaspora....It is sooner than one might think, when the time will occur that Jews will all either be living in Israel, assimilating in the diaspora, or be Orthodox (whichever Jews are still left in the diaspora and have not assimilated)....If it won't be another Holocaust (chas ve' shalom), then it will be the melting pot into oblivion for Jews in the diaspora....The clock is ticking....It's time for Jews to come home....

[Mediocrates]

Yes; the more Jews in Israel and the less in the diaspora, the closer to the Geula and the better....

Time is running out for Jews in the diaspora....It is sooner than one might think, when the time will occur that Jews will all either be living in Israel, assimilating in the diaspora, or be Orthodox (whichever Jews are still left in the diaspora and have not assimilated)....If it won't be another Holocaust (chas ve' shalom), then it will be the melting pot into oblivion for Jews in the diaspora....The clock is ticking....It's time for Jews to come home....


But the Jews left in Israel won't be recognizably Jewish either. Just because you claim an address doesn't mean you're more or better Jews or there are more of you. Israel is as secular as any place else. So how is it by your measure you imagine that anyone not Frum here is lost and yet no one who's not Frum there is? It's too too convenient a definition to suit your own aims.

[mbczion]

But the Jews left in Israel won't be recognizably Jewish either. Just because you claim an address doesn't mean you're more or better Jews or there are more of you. Israel is as secular as any place else. So how is it by your measure you imagine that anyone not Frum here is lost and yet no one who's not Frum there is? It's too too convenient a definition to suit your own aims.

Israel is OUR home; the galut (no, not even golden America) is NOT....
Three times a day, we pray in the amida for Jews to be gathered from the four corners of the earth back home to Zion (i.e. Eretz Yisrael), NOT Borough Park....You give me too much credit by claiming that what is written in our sidurim, not to mention what G-d promised to our forefather's- Abraham, Yizhak, and Yaakov is MY own aims....While I'm certainly flattered, if you have a problem with the ultimate destiny of ALL Jews returning to Eretz Yisrael, then you will have to take that up with Hashem because it is HIS aim, NOT mine....

[physics]

But the Jews left in Israel won't be recognizably Jewish either.

How many times must we tell you that a Halachaic secular Israeli Jew is more attached to Jewishness than a Halachaic secular diaspora Jew?

Living in Israel equals living Jewishness. Don't you understand that it's a state dominated by Jewish influence.

Israeli Jews don't have to be strongly attached to Jewish identity, because their daily life is baed on it already.

[physics]

The diaspora Jews who continue to sustain a strong Jewish identity, BRAVO TO THEM! (Including You!)

But the secular diaspora Jews are remote from Jewish identity. Being a secular Jew in Israel and diaspora is completely different.

In America, Christmas is a federal holiday. Jews can't relate to that. In Israel, Jews can relate to every single holiday.

[Mediocrates]

Israel is OUR home; the galut (no, not even golden America) is NOT....
Three times a day, we pray in the amida for Jews to be gathered from the four corners of the earth back home to Zion (i.e. Eretz Yisrael), NOT Borough Park....

It doesn't make any difference if 1 out of 5 Jews does here OR there. You see?



You give me too much credit by claiming that what is written in our sidurim, not to mention what G-d promised to our forefather's- Abraham, Yizhak, and Yaakov is MY own aims....

Maybe first you could round up all the secular Jews in Israel and drum Yiddishkeit into their heads. Then when you're done, call me.

[Mediocrates]

How many times must we tell you that a Halachaic secular Israeli Jew is more attached to Jewishness than a Halachaic secular diaspora Jew?

What on God's Green Earth is that?


Living in Israel equals living Jewishness. Don't you understand that it's a state dominated by Jewish influence.


Being Jewish equals living Jewishness. Being in a Jewish home and going to shul and teaching Torah to your children and inculcating those values is what's important. Not simply saying you have a nice view of the Kotel from your kitchen. Which is more or less what you claim.


Israeli Jews don't have to be strongly attached to Jewish identity, because their daily life is baed on it already.

So they could be Romanian strippers who eat pork and cheese sandwiches then?

[mbczion]

Mediocrates wrote:

It doesn't make any difference if 1 out of 5 Jews does here OR there. You see?

Did you ever here of the term "bitul beracha"? You know, davening for something you do not really hope comes to fruition- like eventually having to pick up and leave where you are now and come home to Eretz Yisrael....

Mediocrates wrote:

Maybe first you could round up all the secular Jews in Israel and drum Yiddishkeit into their heads. Then when you're done, call me.

YAWN....I've lost track how many times I've heard that sad excuse for not making aliya....

[Mediocrates]

It's not an excuse nor it is a criticism. I'm simply sick of being browbeaten by people who think that ignoring their own communities in lieu of scolding me to come and make everything all better, is all. If making Israel so Jewish is critical then why do you ignore what's going on right there right now? How is my presence supposed to fix that? Sounds to me like one more Orthodox family isn't going to change the millions of Israeli Jews who are not. Of course in the end perhaps that's not the goal. Or am I being too cynical?

[Mediocrates]

Mediocrates wrote:



Did you ever here of the term "bitul beracha"? You know, davening for something you do not really hope comes to fruition- like eventually having to pick up and leave where you are now and come home to Eretz Yisrael....



I noted you said you were not Chabad, which actually puzzled me since you sound so. But in either case we have a saying too. "Not yet". It's not like I don't want it to happen. It's that I feel, unlike you, that can do good here. See I'm willing to grant you yours, that you are fine where you are and that's a wonderful thing. But unlike you, who's unwilling to accept that we can live here and do good, I'm not. So, "Not Yet". Maybe someday but not yet. I think that's a lot more than you're willing to grant me which is unfortunate.

[physics]

Read my words carefully please:

Being in a Jewish home and going to shul and teaching Torah to your children and inculcating those values is what's important.

Notice that I congradulated the diaspora Jews that practice such actions.

So they could be Romanian strippers who eat pork and cheese sandwiches then?

Notice that I am talking about ISRAELI JEWS whose lives are based on Jewish identity just by living in Israel NOT GOYIM.

I am mostly talking about secular Jews. The diaspora ones quickly lose their Jewish identity.

[mbczion]

It's not an excuse nor it is a criticism. I'm simply sick of being browbeaten by people who think that ignoring their own communities in lieu of scolding me to come and make everything all better, is all. If making Israel so Jewish is critical then why do you ignore what's going on right there right now? How is my presence supposed to fix that? Sounds to me like one more Orthodox family isn't going to change the millions of Israeli Jews who are not. Of course in the end perhaps that's not the goal. Or am I being too cynical?

What I am saying is that time is running out in the diaspora for Jews....All throughout history, no matter where Jews have lived, the diaspora has been temporary and Jews have eventually had to pack up and leave and America, I am sorry to say, will be no different....Whenever Jews have gotten too comfortable in one particular location, G-d has always reminded them that that location is NOT their home....One only need look back seventy years, when the Jews in Germany had lived there longer than most Jews have lived in America and most Jews in Germany were more assimilated than most Jews in America are today, yet that did not save them when push came to shove....

At the very best, Jews are temporary residents amongst their host nations; all of them are from your average Joe Shmoe Jew all the way up to Senator Joseph Lieberman....I am NOT scolding any Jews for living in the diaspora, but just expressing a GENUINE concern for my fellow Jews EVERYWHERE in the diaspora....Jews, come home before, chas ve' shalom, that decision will be made for you....That's all I'm saying....

[mbczion]

I noted you said you were not Chabad, which actually puzzled me since you sound so. But in either case we have a saying too. "Not yet". It's not like I don't want it to happen. It's that I feel, unlike you, that can do good here. See I'm willing to grant you yours, that you are fine where you are and that's a wonderful thing. But unlike you, who's unwilling to accept that we can live here and do good, I'm not. So, "Not Yet". Maybe someday but not yet. I think that's a lot more than you're willing to grant me which is unfortunate.

I am NOT a Chabadnik. I respect Chabad and all their work they have done with kiruv to bring Jews back to Yiddishkeit, as well as making sure Jews have a place for Shabbat and Chagim, that there is always a minyan and kosher food, no matter where Jews might find themselves, even amongst the most hole in the wall places. I also see the late Rebbe as one of the most influential Jews ever in Judaism and his wisdom in both secular subjects as well as Torah is something I admire. However, I am NOT Chabad, nor am I Breslov, nor am I Carlibach, nor do I claim any loyalty to one particular "sect" of Torah Judaism. I believe that each sect adds it's own flavor to Judaism and respect each sect for that, but I just consider myself a Torah observant Jew- nothing more, nothing less.

I do NOT deny that Jews can and have done good in the diaspora and I am proud for that, but the clock is ticking and the time has come for Jews to come home. All the evidence points to this. You can cover the sun with your hand and pretend it doesn't exist, but that won't help. The truth is the truth. The days for Jews in the diaspora are coming to and end. It's time to come home.

[golani]

I If making Israel so Jewish is critical then why do you ignore what's going on right there right now? How is my presence supposed to fix that? Sounds to me like one more Orthodox family isn't going to change the millions of Israeli Jews who are not. Of course in the end perhaps that's not the goal. Or am I being too cynical?

Yes,your presence might change the whole situation
Imagine a lonely rock rolling down the slope,pushing other rocks as well....or the ripple effect from a stone on the water surface

From my own totally unscientific calculations, I reckoned that 10 percent of Us Jewry might arrive in Israel in the forthcoming years(From Haredim to modern orthodox), that equals 500.000 souls,the other secular ones will simply vanish.
Within Europe,applying the same criteria 100.000 religious Jews might come.The others will get the same fate as their american counterparts
Total :600.000 far from Sharon's goal of 1 million
And elsewhere in the world??
Well,we might see the appearance of Jews in Africa
Especially in the great lake regions where Tutsis are rediscovering their jewish legacy
Same phenomenon might occur also in Nigeria where many Ibos are shifting toward Judaism

[Mediocrates]

What I am saying is that time is running out in the diaspora for Jews....All throughout history, no matter where Jews have lived, the diaspora has been temporary and Jews have eventually had to pack up and leave and America,

That may or may not be true. It's equally true that the Diaspora was created because Jews were expelled from Israel as well. If we're talking broad sweep of history, mind you.



At the very best, Jews are temporary residents amongst their host nations; all of them are from your average Joe Shmoe Jew all the way up to Senator Joseph Lieberman....I am NOT scolding any Jews for living in the diaspora, but just expressing a GENUINE concern for my fellow Jews EVERYWHERE in the diaspora....Jews, come home before, chas ve' shalom, that decision will be made for you....That's all I'm saying....

Do you ever get the feeling that Israel provides a place for all the Jews to be rounded up?

[Mediocrates]

Yes,your presence might change the whole situation
Imagine a lonely rock rolling down the slope,pushing other rocks as well....or the ripple effect from a stone on the water surface

From my own totally unscientific calculations, I reckoned that 10 percent of Us Jewry might arrive in Israel in the forthcoming years(From Haredim to modern orthodox), that equals 500.000 souls,the other secular ones will simply vanish.

If economically it all turns to sh**t like Argentina, it could be. If they institute a draft, it could be. If my rather narrow and specialized field gets completely outsourced it could be (they speak English in India too! so maybe I just move there? Of course my spouse's skills don't translate to other countries.) You souldn't discount the necessity of moving versus the desire. My ancestors left Europe not because they thought they'd like to sample the lower east side of NYC - they left because they didn't have much choice.



Well,we might see the appearance of Jews in Africa
Especially in the great lake regions where Tutsis are rediscovering their jewish legacy
Same phenomenon might occur also in Nigeria where many Ibos are shifting toward Judaism

Eh? Igbos are Christian, that's in part why they tried to split off from the Muslim north in Nigeria.

[mbczion]

Mediocrates wrote:

That may or may not be true. It's equally true that the Diaspora was created because Jews were expelled from Israel as well. If we're talking broad sweep of history, mind you.

Then it was the will of G-d that Jews were expelled from Israel and now it is the will of G-d that Jews return to Israel....

Mediocrates wrote:

Do you ever get the feeling that Israel provides a place for all the Jews to be rounded up?

Israel is OUR home; we are NOT foreigners here....The Diaspora is NOT our home; we ARE foreigners there....Simple as that....

Maybe France provides a place for all the French to be rounded up too....

[minusthejihad]

Then it was the will of G-d that Jews were expelled from Israel and now it is the will of G-d that Jews return to Israel....


That dang will of g-d. He's such a wishy-washy mofo! I wish g-d would smite some people more often and will more money in my paycheck.

[Mediocrates]

Then it was the will of G-d that Jews were expelled from Israel and now it is the will of G-d that Jews return to Israel....




Look don't get me wrong. I appreciate your faith. I really do. But it's not mine. We'll never see eye to eye on this. I hope you're right and you prey I'm wrong and that's all there is to say.

[mbczion]

Look don't get me wrong. I appreciate your faith. I really do. But it's not mine. We'll never see eye to eye on this. I hope you're right and you prey I'm wrong and that's all there is to say.

Fair enough....That's what forum's are for....If every poster saw eye to eye on every issue, it would be awfully boring here....

Shall we just say, "in disagreement, but respect...."?:)

[mbczion]

That dang will of g-d. He's such a wishy-washy mofo! I wish g-d would smite some people more often and will more money in my paycheck.

LOL:D

[golani]

If economically it all turns to sh**t like Argentina, it could be. If they institute a draft, it could be. If my rather narrow and specialized field gets completely outsourced it could be (they speak English in In


Eh? Igbos are Christian, that's in part why they tried to split off from the Muslim north in Nigeria.

The direct linl is http://www.geocities.com/ahabeliyah/religion.htm


The Preservation of Nigerian Yahaduth (Judaism)



There are two theories in regard to the Jewish heritage of the Igbos. One theory states that as early Ivrim (Hebrews) migrated into Nigeria, the moniker by which they were called by outsiders was corrupted from Ivri to Ibo or Igbo. A second part to this theory has it that Igbo is derived from the name of a Semitic ancestor of the Igbo people. A similar name (Aibo) can be found in the name of the amora Rav Abba Ben Ibo (better known as Rav) founder of the great yeshivas at Sura in Bavel (Babylon). [2] The second theory is that Igbo society may have been already established before Jewish migrations into the region. This theory goes on to state that as Jews made their way into West Africa and that they intermingled with certain Igbo ethnic groups and thus only certain Igbo families have Jewish descent while others may have converted or were influenced by the Jewish presence in the society.



Most Igbos profess a belief system about which a partial description of can be found in the writings of Olaudah Equiano titled, "Interesting Narratives of Olaudah Equiano or Gustavus Vassa the African, 1789." This belief system is believed to be that of an early form of the Israeli faith before and during the early stages of when the people of Israel settled in Canaan. This system, as described by Olaudah Equiano, has for some Igbo been fused with Christianity due to the push of missionaries into West Africa. Yet, there was a minority group that still clung on to the older purer version, which is believed to be the core of the Igbo Jewish heritage.

Photo #1: The Honorable Cheif Onwuesi Ibe zs"l wearing an Tallit circa 1951



When missionaries first made their way into West Africa the Ozubulu clan resisted the Christian religion and most never converted. In recent years, a number of Ozubulu descendents are modernizing the very ancient form of the Israeli faith that their ancestors once practiced. In the Ozubulu region, they built a synagogue, even though for a lack of better terms they called it a "Traditional Church." This move took place with no outside influence, and is now causing a ripple effect within the local Igbo communities.



Even to this day many Nigerian Jewish practices are still in line with many of the Mitzvot (commands) given in the Torah. Even with the loss of the written record, the Igbo people have maintained the customs and traditions of ancient Israel in an oral form. A few of these customs still in practice are: circumcision of sons on the eighth day of life, separation of women during the menstrual cycle, the prohibition of cross breading animals or plants, kashrut, the celebration of the High Holy-Days, and Taharat Ha-Mishpakha (with immersion in a mikvah for ritual impurity) just to name a few. Similar to the Samaritans in Israel, certain Igbos, believed to be descended from ancient Levites are distinguished within the community by donning red head coverings sometimes wrapped in white tallits, which only they can wear.



Though, for many Igbos these practices have existed in their society for more than 1,000 years it was not until recently that some were able to make the more distinct connection to exactly why they were to be performed. This of course was another result of the loss of the written Torah from within various Igbo communities. According to G.T. Basden in his book, ‘Among the Ibos of Nigeria", p. 31 noted:



“The Ibo country lies within the recognized Negro belt, and the people bear the main characteristics of that stock… There are certain customs, which rather point to Levitic influence at a more or less remote period. This is suggested in the underlying ideas concerning sacrifice and in the practice of circumcision. The language also bears several interesting parallels with Hebrew idioms.” [3]



The Return to Judaism



Currently there are thriving Maghrebi (North-West African) Jewish communities in various parts of Nigeria, which crosses ethnic lines. The most notable synagogues in the region are the Gihon Hebrew Research Institute in Abuja, Beith Kenesseth Siyahh Yisrael in Garki-Abuja, and Beit Kenesset Ohr Vaderekh Yisrael in Akwa Ibom state. The two most formal synagogues have several special honors attached to them. The Gihon Hebrew Research Institute is currently completing building on a new Synagogue for its services, and the Ohr Vaderekh Yisrael Synagogue has the special honor of possessing a 150 year-old kosher Moroccan Torah scroll. With the help of Jewish organizations in the United States there is now a Hebrew Centre dedicated to Judaic study and Torah instruction.

Photo 2:Remy Ilona and Hartley Springman visiting the members of the Gihon Beith Kenesset



With the current resurgence of traditional Jewish practice amongst various Nigeria men and women desiring to return to the international Israeli and Jewish community, the Maghrebi Jewish culture in the region is still a young and growing one with Hebrew and Torah study once again becoming more of the norm. There are currently more than 26 Igbo and non-Igbo synagogues within Nigeria performing normal Shabboth (Sabbath) and High Holy Days services and that number is growing. Jewish visitors and organizations from Israel, Canada, and the United States are currently aiding this growth in the Nigerian Jewish communities. There also is a growing number Nigerian descended Igbos returning to Judaism through Giyyur Khelqi (Return Conversions) to Orthodox and Conservative streams. Most of the religious environment is closer to the mannerisms of Modern Orthodox or Sephardic culture. Nigerian Jews are open to Jews of all streams and levels of observance and are always welcoming to quests.



The communities are in need of assistance from Jewish organizations, Rabbis, and Jewish scholars. There is an enormous interest amongst the various Jewish communities in Nigeria to learn Torah, Hebrew, and the furthering of Jewish education. The communities have been helped so far in terms of resources from the Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist movements and more assistance is needed from the Orthodox, Sephardic, and Mizrakhi Jewish communities in order to fill in the cultural gap.



To find out how to denote books or Judaica to the communities check out the Judaica Project site.




References

[1] ICE Case Studies: The Biafran War (http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/biafra.htm)



[2] Crash Course in Jewish History Part 43 - The_Jews_of_Babylon, Aish Hatorah web-site, http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_43_-_The_Jews_of_Babylon.asp



[3] Among the Ibos of Nigeria, by G.T. Basden, p. 31
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[MrRight]

There is nothing to celebrate here, really. Mostly it is due to assimilation of the American Jewery, a big proportion of which is from the mixed and converted families anyway. And there is nothing wrong with having a big diaspora, as long as there is a strong connection with the homeland. The Irish and the Armenians have huge diasporas, and it haven't done any harm to them.

Instead of calling on Jews to abandon places that are safe and prosperous and move to the equally or more safe, but less prosperous Israel, the Jewish people need to be decrying the lack of unity with the homeland, and the de-nationalization of the Jewish identity.

very well said

[Mediocrates]

thanks for the Ibo info.

[Muslima]

I do NOT deny that Jews can and have done good in the diaspora and I am proud for that, but the clock is ticking and the time has come for Jews to come home. All the evidence points to this. You can cover the sun with your hand and pretend it doesn't exist, but that won't help. The truth is the truth. The days for Jews in the diaspora are coming to and end. It's time to come home.

Just a side note,

I don't think there is any one nation that has remained in one place and not scattered?
Well, maybe, the mountain and jungle tribes are probably exceptions, but generally i think it has been human nature to seek out different pastures, .........

[Mil]

Posted by Muslima:

I don't think there is any one nation that has remained in one place and not scattered?

Nation or ethnic group? Most ethnic groups have pretty much remained within the vicinity of their own historical geo-graphic emergence for thousands of years. Like the Arabs - for example.

Accept the Jews and more recently the Palestinians I did not hear of any large migrations within the Arab world. Even the Palestinians are located pretty much within the borders of their previous geography.

[Muslima]

Posted by Muslima:

I don't think there is any one nation that has remained in one place and not scattered?

Nation or ethnic group? Most ethnic groups have pretty much remained within the vicinity of their own historical geo-graphic emergence for thousands of years. Like the Arabs - for example.

Accept the Jews and more recently the Palestinians I did not hear of any large migrations within the Arab world. Even the Palestinians are located pretty much within the borders of their previous geography.

Yes ok that's true,

But maybe that's because one thousand years ago, it wasn't easy to travel as easily as it is today.

On second thoughts, one thousand years ago, Arabs did venture out, i.e. The Islamic conquests, when empires and countries fell .....that was called scattering too....

As for the Palestinians, they are scattered about everywhere today, but thats more because they were refugee's, ironically created by Jews, who were themselves in the same boat before them......

Actually what i meant was that today, not many people are confined, or rather a person has more options to travel easily today than say 200 years ago.

I doubt there is any country today that is homogoneously, a single ethnicity or race.

[minusthejihad]

As for the Palestinians, they are scattered about everywhere today, but thats more because they were refugee's, ironically created by Jews, who were themselves in the same boat before them......

My favorite part about Palestinian Propaganda is it's consistency and reach. The Jews did not create the Palestinian refugee problem. First off, you should blame the English, the French, and the UN for partitioning the land in such a hasty and illogical way. Second you should blame your Arab brothers for encouraging the Pals to "clear out the way" for an oncoming invasion of Israel (did I mention on the day Israel actaully became a state) and then losing, leaving the Pals both homeless in Israel for obvious reasons and homeless from other Arab countries because no one wanted to take them in. And lastly you can blame the UN again for maintaining the longest and largest "refugee camps" of all time with no expectation level set for the future.

[Muslima]

My favorite part about Palestinian Propaganda is it's consistency and reach. The Jews did not create the Palestinian refugee problem. First off, you should blame the English, the French, and the UN for partitioning the land in such a hasty and illogical way. Second you should blame your Arab brothers for encouraging the Pals to "clear out the way" for an oncoming invasion of Israel (did I mention on the day Israel actaully became a state) and then losing, leaving the Pals both homeless in Israel for obvious reasons and homeless from other Arab countries because no one wanted to take them in. And lastly you can blame the UN again for maintaining the longest and largest "refugee camps" of all time with no expectation level set for the future.

"groans"

Yes Sir, Yes Sir, except.....that wasn't really the subject

[physics]

I doubt there is any country today that is homogoneously, a single ethnicity or race.

LOL...How about most Arab countries where 99% of citizens are Arabs. Youv'e got to be kidding me! ;)

As for the Palestinians, they are scattered about everywhere today, but thats more because they were refugee's, ironically created by Jews, who were themselves in the same boat before them......

Most of the scattered Palis live in Jordan today. I'd say they are in the vicinity of their old land.

By the way, Jews were refugess that escaped genocide and had no choices. Palis were offered a state and Israeli citizenship..but most rejected the offers and lived in misery.

[KettleWhistle]

As for the Palestinians, they are scattered about everywhere today, but thats more because they were refugee's, ironically created by Jews, who were themselves in the same boat before them......

"Palestinians" are not scattered anywhere. Aside from their colonies on the Jewish native lands most of them live in Jordan and Syria, where these people belong. And Jews did not create anything. Jews were in foreing lands, and great many left, despite having houses, and trees, and cows, and whatever else. Have the "Palestinians" had any decency, they'd likewise leave our country, and our native land, and go back to Jordan or to wherever else they are from.

[golani]

"Palestinians" are not scattered anywhere. Aside from their colonies on the Jewish native lands most of them live in Jordan and Syria, where these people belong. And Jews did not create anything. Jews were in foreing lands, and great many left, despite having houses, and trees, and cows, and whatever else. Have the "Palestinians" had any decency, they'd likewise leave our country, and our native land, and go back to Jordan or to wherever else they are from.

Very well said,do not forget to add that the "palestinians"are the only people of whom the status of refugee is maintained generation after generation unlike any other refugees on that planet...

[atricnorth]

more births please, :)

dont become like singapore.

most guys and girls in singapore dont married, only concentrating on their careers.

[Mediocrates]

more births please, :)

dont become like singapore.

most guys and girls in singapore dont married, only concentrating on their careers.



Send them clocks too - I'm always getting calls after midnight from Singapore. Maybe they don't understand timezones?:confused:

[physics]

Today, the Palestinian refugee status is lame. They are the only people on this earth that failed to move on with their lives. Anyways, why would millions of Jordanian "Palestinians" return? it's impossible ans senesless.

Pals are not refugees. They are lazy and incompetent people who've counted on destroying Israel rather than on constructing something postive for themselves.

[physics]

Should all the Americans whose families escaped tough conditions in their native lands have refugee status after so many years? That's ridiculous.

Refugee status can't be passed through family lineage. No exceptions should be made to the Palestinians. Instead, they should be called poor people. They can't be entitled to refugee benefits.

[atricnorth]

Send them clocks too - I'm always getting calls after midnight from Singapore. Maybe they don't understand timezones?:confused:


they work too much until time is nothing to them.