Second Forced Expulsion of Jews Underway

[NewsGuy]

Nearly six months have passed since thousands of soldiers evacuated settlers from Gush Katif and the northern West Bank; the scenes are expected to repeat themselves on Wednesday during the clearing of the Amona outpost, near the West Bank settlement of Ofra.

Some 6,000 soldiers and police officers are expected to take part in the evacuation of the settlers and those who poured into the outpost to support them (several thousand according to estimations).

It is feared that the evacuation will involve some violence.

Tuesday evening, as Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert presented Kadima’s list of Knesset candidates for the upcoming elections, Yesha rabbis stated that his government “has declared war on the Land of Israel and the public loyal to it.”

“We must stop the persecution of Jews and the selling of our sacred land by all possible means,” the rabbis said in a statement.
Full Story (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3208843,00.html)

Apparently, the Olmert plan is to provide the Arab terrorists with yet another Jew-free area from which to attack Israel.

You would think that the Gaza disaster would have taught Israelis a lesson, but even as Hamas takes control of the Palestinian armed forces, the Olmert administration is preparing even more rewards for the Hamas.

[NewsGuy]

The latest news reports are that the Israeli army is set to fire into the crowd of Jewish men, women, and children on Olmert and Mofaz's orders.

[mbczion]

The latest news reports are that the Israeli army is set to fire into the crowd of Jewish men, women, and children on Olmert and Mofaz's orders.

This is sick and disgusting:mad:

[Annaliese]

MK Landau: Olmert wanted confrontation

Likud Knesset Member Ehud Olmert slammed Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert over the violent evacuation in Amona, saying Olmert was interested in a confrontation at the illegal West Bank outpost in order to boost Kadima's position ahead of the upcoming elections.

There's no doubt that in this case we didn't see a level-headed approach by the prime minister," Landau told Ynet. "We saw someone who's looking for a confrontation…in light of an estimation it will help him in the elections. He did this on purpose. Now he must explain why he wanted a confrontation."

Landau said he was stunned by the difficult images from Amona.

"Those are very difficult images, and I think a smart statement should have thought about how to avoid them," he said. "Olmert is directly responsible…he wanted a confrontation at any price. He refused to accept all compromise offers by the settlers."

article continues: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3209294,00.html



Violent clashes in Amona; hundreds hurt

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3209115,00.html

Please note some of the comments at the end of that article.



Yes, mbczion: this is beyond sick! :(

[Annaliese]

Assia Grima, 19, an Ethiopian immigrant, barricaded himself at Amona as early as Sunday. He arrived at the hospital before noon with a broken hand.


"There were many head injuries there; people were hit with clubs," he says.


"I myself was struck by a police officer's club, but some of those on our side also acted inappropriately and threw stones, but most of the guys just barricaded themselves in the homes. Some wanted to leave Amona but were prevented from doing so and were beaten. Anyone in the area was beaten indiscriminately."


Grima adds, "From my standpoint, this government is not a government. A court order means nothing to me; I act according to the laws of the torah and I am willing to sacrifice myself.


"I was born in Ethiopia and I was banished from there because I'm Jewish, and this is exactly what they are doing now in Israel. Those who acted violently against the security forces were wrong to do so. I am in favor of protest, but not by force. The police officers were just doing their job; those who really deserve a beating are (Acting Prime Minister) Ehud Olmert and the court."

excerpted from http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3209411,00.html

[minusthejihad]

Soon religious Jews are going to need an New Israel to escape to from Israel.

[Annaliese]

Soon religious Jews are going to need an New Israel to escape to from Israel.


To paraphrase:

First they came for the religious Jews, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't one.

Then they came for ...


What is needed is a pro-Jewish government in Israel. According to polls right now, that isn't going to happen. I am hoping over the next few weeks that Israelis wise up and vote in a government that is pro-Jewish, religious or not.

[NewsGuy]

Soon religious Jews are going to need an New Israel to escape to from Israel.
Well said.

And I'm very disappointed that it's only the religious Jews who are still interested in having the right to live in the Jewish homeland.

[minusthejihad]

To paraphrase:

First they came for the religious Jews, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't one.

Then they came for ...


What is needed is a pro-Jewish government in Israel. According to polls right now, that isn't going to happen. I am hoping over the next few weeks that Israelis wise up and vote in a government that is pro-Jewish, religious or not.

Well, after last night's State of the Union Address, I was begging for our next 100 presidents to be completely secular. Hearing Bush (whom I voted for) bragging about how few abortions the US has had made me feel queasy. Hearing him say "Our Creator" and talk about Church while standing in the middle of State, seemed pretty hypocritical.

[Mediocrates]

On a somewhat related note, notice how they want to criminalize the doctors not the patients. As if women don't have a sentient thought in their heads. Or is it because it's a semi-open dirty little secret that women from the far right take advantage of legal abortions as much as anyone?

But I digress......

[mbczion]

Well said.

And I'm very disappointed that it's only the religious Jews who are still interested in having the right to live in the Jewish homeland.

There are still secular Jews loyal to Eretz Yisrael, like Aryeh Eldad (National Union) and Michael Kleiner (Heirut), but you are right - secular zionism is pretty much dead as a door nail....

[Annaliese]

There are still secular Jews loyal to Eretz Yisrael

Absolutely! That was my point: in fact, I am one of them.

Thank you.

[Annaliese]

How about Olmert tackling this?

Wednesday, February 1, 2006
10,000 illegal Arab living units in Jerusalem

10,000 illegal Arab living units in Jerusalem
" At a conference that took place on January 7, 2002, at the Jerusalem
Center for Women, Hatem Abed El-Khader Eid, a member of the Palestinian
Legislative Council representing the Jerusalem district, proudly announced
that, during the last four years, Palestinians have erected 6,000 homes
without building permits, out of which only 198 were demolished. Eid's
statement regarding the massive illegal building campaign, and his mention
of the figure 6,000 illegal living units, was also picked up in the weekly
newspaper Jerusalem. Eid declared, "we in the Palestinian Authority are
willing to build ten homes for every house demolished by Israel" (emphasis
added). According to a report in the newspaper Ha'tsofeh, Iran, Saudi
Arabia, and the PA are among the sources of funding for the wave of illegal
construction in Jerusalem ."

"In sum, the knowledgeable sources all agree that thousands of illegal units
are going up. Extrapolating from the assessments, the number might well
exceed 10,000 if the tally were to begin five or ten years ago."

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=28358

[sharonbn]

what's the big fuss? just another Israeli colony removed from confiscated privately-owned Arab land.

You might as well get used to this, as more will follow
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/677685.html

[Binyamin]

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2006/02/police-beat-and-injure-hundreds-of.html#comments

[mbczion]

what's the big fuss? just another Israeli colony removed from confiscated privately-owned Arab land.

You might as well get used to this, as more will follow
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/677685.html

Get used to what, a bunch of thugs that are sorry excuses for "soldiers" and "cops" beating up women and children?

If this is what we have to get used to, then there is definately a time bomb waiting to explode....If anyone, whether "cop" or "soldiers" lays a hand on my wife or daughter, I won't be serving them a cup of coffee....That is for sure:mad:

[sharonbn]

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2006/02/police-beat-and-injure-hundreds-of.html#comments
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3210111,00.html

[Mediocrates]

If the Israeli government had simply declared a withdrawal timetable for The Army, it probably would have forced the Jews in Yesha to make a somewhat more pragmatic decision earlier on. A kind of tough love approach.

But seemingly the Israeli government seems more intent on proving who's stronger. Pity - it could have gone smoother. You really have nothing left to do but besiege them, literally. Which could have the effect of making them martyrs but clearly the majority of Israelis don't care even if that happens. The analogies to Masada, Warsaw, one could draw however, are limitless.

You guys just don't 'DO' community relations, do you?

[sharonbn]

You guys just don't 'DO' community relations, do you?
Please show me an example where "community relations" was 'DONE'
was it done in Algeria?
was it done in Indo-china?
was it done in Ireland?
was it done in Afganistan?
was it done in Yoguslavia?
perhaps in E. Timor?
where did it happen that colonists or colonial gov't or foreign power did "community relations" with anyone?

[Mediocrates]

That's not really an answer is it? If you think that sending in riot horses on that day that way was the only way to handle this then you're being ignorant. Clearly your government wanted to send a clear message: You will get your heads busted. Moving them out of their homes was secondary.

Seriously you really need to review the events of Tiannemen. You really really do. If you think you can simply overpower everyone you are horribly wrong. Read up on all the things that were done wrong with Tiannemen. Study them and make sure you don't make those mistakes. Laugh and snark at me if you want. This is something you HAVE to do.

[Mediocrates]

BTW did they time it coincide with parsha Bo?

Shmos 3:13 'Remember this day when you went out from Egypt'

[minusthejihad]

Please show me an example where "community relations" was 'DONE'
was it done in Algeria?
was it done in Indo-china?
was it done in Ireland?
was it done in Afganistan?
was it done in Yoguslavia?
perhaps in E. Timor?
where did it happen that colonists or colonial gov't or foreign power did "community relations" with anyone?

Now you don't really want to compare Israel to these nations do you?

[mbczion]

That's not really an answer is it? If you think that sending in riot horses on that day that way was the only way to handle this then you're being ignorant. Clearly your government wanted to send a clear message: You will get your heads busted. Moving them out of their homes was secondary.

Seriously you really need to review the events of Tiannemen. You really really do. If you think you can simply overpower everyone you are horribly wrong. Read up on all the things that were done wrong with Tiannemen. Study them and make sure you don't make those mistakes. Laugh and snark at me if you want. This is something you HAVE to do.

Well, the Israeli government is becoming more and more totalitarian all the time....That is how a totalitarian government acts:mad:

[minusthejihad]

It was disgusting to see Jews fight each other on TV, especially to see the brutal force used on its own people, mostly young unarmed people including women. If anything, it's just more for our enemies to use against us.

[sharonbn]

That's not really an answer is it? If you think that sending in riot horses on that day that way was the only way to handle this then you're being ignorant.
The settlers were mounting refrigerators on the roofs with the intention to throw them at the Police. They eventually settled with blocks and rocks.
I am not trying to defend the police. Maybe they used excessive force. at the least you need to agree this is not a clear cut no doubts scenario. This was not brute force in the face of a peaceful protest with signs and chanting, now was it

Clearly your government wanted to send a clear message: You will get your heads busted. Moving them out of their homes was secondary.
Yes, the gov't wanted to send a clear message. The message was: gov't decisions will be acted out. If you have a problem with that, then the place to deal with it is in the ballot.

Seriously you really need to review the events of Tiannemen. You really really do. If you think you can simply overpower everyone you are horribly wrong. Read up on all the things that were done wrong with Tiannemen. Study them and make sure you don't make those mistakes. Laugh and snark at me if you want. This is something you HAVE to do.
The events of Tiannemen were a protest of people fighting for their freedom from opression. Similar to, say, the protests of the South Adfrican blacks or the enevt at Kent state college.

You need to understand the difference between the protests and riots at Tiannemen and the riots of the French settlers at algeria. You really really do. If you think that once a colonial power decides to give the occupied land back to its indeginious people - that this process can be reversed by thecolonialists with sheer violence and brute force - you are horribly wrong. Read up on all the things that were done wrong with Indo-china, Congo, Algeria and south Africa. You will be dumbfounded to see the exact same rethoric, conviction and methods were used by all colonialists. You will also find that the rethoric, conviction and methods are very different in cases of freedom figthing, like in Tiannemen.

[redcake]

So a week after Hamas gain victory, Omert makes it clear his campaign strategy will be to continue polarizing the community, at a time when it needs unity the most. Have they relocated the Jewish refugees from Gaza yet? What are they going to do with 20,000 more then? Who would have though Israel's own government would be guilty of some of the most criminal moral equivalency this conflict has ever seen!?!! There is absolutely no excuse for what will surely continue to be almost daily riots, and unless the IDF find it in their best interest to retreat (like they did today) you're going to see a serious underground resistance form. I can't imagines Israelis who actually have a brain, and have been in the country for any length of time, are fooled into believing the rhetoric which says that all settlers are orange wearing, religious fanaticals.

[mbczion]

So a week after Hamas gain victory, Omert makes it clear his campaign strategy will be to continue polarizing the community, at a time when it needs unity the most. Have they relocated the Jewish refugees from Gaza yet? What are they going to do with 20,000 more then? Who would have though Israel's own government would be guilty of some of the most criminal moral equivalency this conflict has ever seen!?!! There is absolutely no excuse for what will surely continue to be almost daily riots, and unless the IDF find it in their best interest to retreat (like they did today) you're going to see a serious underground resistance form. I can't imagines Israelis who actually have a brain, and have been in the country for any length of time, are fooled into believing the rhetoric which says that all settlers are orange wearing, religious fanaticals.

But redcake, us "settlers" are beyond the pale of humanity. We are less than human, so we have no rights and the Israeli government can just treat us like animals....

I have no fear, however, because if we should get expelled from our homes, then I know I can count on the enlightened, humanistic peace-loving leftists in the center of the country- Tel Aviv, Holon, Hertzaliya, Ramat Aviv, etc. to put us up until the government has found more "permanent" housing for us....Right?

[Mediocrates]

The events of Tiannemen were a protest of people fighting for their freedom from opression. Similar to, say, the protests of the South Adfrican blacks or the enevt at Kent state college.


You need to get off the black flag and soapbox for a sec. I'm talking about the stupidity the government exhinbited in NOT understanding who and what they were dealing with and the tragic violence that resulted in their use of force.


You need to understand the difference between the protests and riots at Tiannemen and the riots of the French settlers at algeria. You really really do. If you think that once a colonial power decides to give the occupied land back to its indeginious people - that this process can be reversed by thecolonialists with sheer violence and brute force - you are horribly wrong. Read up on all the things that were done wrong with Indo-china, Congo, Algeria and south Africa. You will be dumbfounded to see the exact same rethoric, conviction and methods were used by all colonialists. You will also find that the rethoric, conviction and methods are very different in cases of freedom figthing, like in Tiannemen.


Blah blah blah polemics. You don't get. You willfully intentionally don't get it. You are so wrapped up in your postcolonialist 101 package you simply don't have any credibility any more. This isn't a college classroom, you know.

[Mira]

Blah blah blah polemics. You don't get. You willfully intentionally don't get it. You are so wrapped up in your postcolonialist 101 package you simply don't have any credibility any more. This isn't a college classroom, you know.Which is why I'm not touching this thread. But what was it you were trying to say again, Mediocrates?

[Mediocrates]

These are people, not slogans or revolutionary diatribes for the academic quad.

[redcake]

I have no fear, however, because if we should get expelled from our homes, then I know I can count on the enlightened, humanistic peace-loving leftists in the center of the country- Tel Aviv, Holon, Hertzaliya, Ramat Aviv, etc. to put us up until the government has found more "permanent" housing for us....Right?

Are you really at risk of eviction where you are? Our news on this second round of disengagement is really limited here.... has there been any plans for what to do with displaced people?

[Mira]

These are people, not slogans or revolutionary diatribes for the academic quad.I agree.

[mbczion]

Are you really at risk of eviction where you are? Our news on this second round of disengagement is really limited here.... has there been any plans for what to do with displaced people?

Even according to the ultra-leftist "Geneva Accords", Israel would retain sovereignty over Gush Etzion (including Efrat)....However, our government no longer has any red-lines....Also, even if we (in Efrat) do not get evicted, the government is purposely making it hell for those of us who live here by their proposed "fence" route, which would virtually render Efrat residents sitting ducks for arab terrorists and there is talk about closing the Tunnel Road....

Apparently, Hamas in not the enemy, but us "settlers" are....

[comfy]

Does anyone here believe anything positive will come of this?

President M. Katzav has criticism of both sides in yesterday's Amona violence, B'Tselem calls for an investigation, and the Knesset Speaker has agreed to a Likud/Shas request for a special session.

President Moshe Katzav said that "red lines" were crossed yesterday, and that what happened in Amona is "intolerable." He said that the police must explain why they used horses and clubs, and chastised the settlement enterprise leaders for organizing the protest without controlling the protestors.

Katzav said he accepts Labor MK Yuli Tamir's call for a public commission of inquiry into the events.

The B'Tselem civil rights organization, too, has asked Attorney General Menachem Mazuz to order an investigation into the "excessive police violence" during the evacuation/destruction of the homes in Amona.

B'Tselem says that illegal orders may have been handed down, and that individual policemen must be investigated for acting with violence towards protestors who did not actively resist.

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=97821

[NewsGuy]

My advice to the victims of the ethnic cleansing is to sue Olmert locally for attempted murder, and to try to bring an action for crimes against humanity at the Hague.

it is also important to find out if there was any leftist incitement that contributed to the crimes committed by Olmert's troops.

[Binyamin]

Apparently, Hamas in not the enemy, but us "settlers" are....
A recent poll said that the greatest threats to Israel today are, in this order,

1. The settlers
2. The Chareidim
3. Palestinian terrorists

[sharonbn]

These are people, not slogans or revolutionary diatribes for the academic quad.
1) Everyone is people. The French settlers were people. The Serbs are people, The Chinese are people.
Of course Dehumanization of opposition is a common human trait. You can "accuse" the Israeli gov't of doing that, but then again, the settlers themselves are guilty of the same action against their opposition, so are the lefties, the far right, the seculars, the religious, the ashkenazi, the mizrahi and so on and on. Like I said, common bahavior.

2) Perhaps we all need to "get off the black flag and soapbox" (whatever that means.) The houses that were demolished were empty. No one was living on that hill and the land was privately owned by Arabs. The youngsters who baricaded themselves on that hill were not defending their homes. They were making a political statement regarding Israeli withdrawal from occupied land. you make it a Davd and Goliath story. Get off the preacher stand and open your eyes.

Like mbczion said - there are settlements that are concensus among everyone, incl' the left wing. These are mainly sattelits of Jer'm like Gush Eztion, Maale edomim, Givat Zeev, etc. Perhaps it is better for the settlers to focus on securing the future of the large settlements by nourishing the concensus and sacrificing a hill with empty houses that was already decided by the court as illegal? However, maybe the settlers leadership can think of these issues But I seriously doubt that the hilltop youth follow a strategic plan with long term goals and any capability of compromise. These teenagers have already defied their leaders in Amoma. they begin to look like orderless mob beyond reason and certainly beyond dicsipline . I hope I am wrong.
sacrifice a hill with empty houses and focus their struggle n

[Reffo]

Yes, I agree, all sides need to search for a compromise in order to avoid internal strife. Israel and Israelis just cannot afford it. Never in our history did it lead to anything but disaster and Israel will need to be strong to resist the Hammas Islamo Fascists!

[Mediocrates]

Perhaps they will and should. It's doubtful though as long as you and people like you declare them less than human and send riot horses against them and tell them they barely have any right to live in Israel at all. Afterall if that's how you really feel about them why not either abandon them to the arabs or just gun them down? I mean legal is legal is legal is legal isn't it? Screw em. Cut the power, cut the water, pull out the troops. Give them 30 days notice. If they don't leave the Arabs will kill them. End of story. And then all the Haaretzniks can stop pretending to be so outraged they're practically paralyzed by it.

[Mediocrates]

But you sharonb seem to be outside the sphere of even many Israelis opinions on this. Maybe I am unduly harsh thinking your extreme hated is representative of Israel as a whole. Hasn't Uli Tamir (Labor) called for an investigation as have the right wingers?

[comfy]

My advice to the victims of the ethnic cleansing is to sue Olmert locally for attempted murder, and to try to bring an action for crimes against humanity at the Hague.

Agreed on suing Olmert, however, I am wary of the Hague's previous rulings with regard to Israel (remember their fence ruling, for example).


it is also important to find out if there was any leftist incitement that contributed to the crimes committed by Olmert's troops.

Absolutely. I would hope the investigation will uncover that.

[comfy]

A recent poll said that the greatest threats to Israel today are, in this order,

1. The settlers
2. The Chareidim
3. Palestinian terrorists


That is disgusting. Jews scapegoating Jews. Unreal.

[sharonbn]

now who's dehumanizing who huh medio?
you just made me into a hateful bloodthirsty extremist on the fringe of society
one more post from you and I'll start eating human flesh and poo in my underware.

[comfy]

Hasn't Uli Tamir (Labor) called for an investigation as have the right wingers?

Yes, it was quoted in my #35 above.

[sharonbn]

A recent poll said that the greatest threats to Israel today are, in this order,

1. The settlers
2. The Chareidim
3. Palestinian terrorists
where is this recent poll? can you give link?

[comfy]

Here is another article on the subject:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amona : What Really Transpired

by David Bedein
Bureau Chief, Israel Resource News Agency

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/2006/02/call_for_commis.php#more

Six Israeli Knesset Parliament members of the National Union Party convened a press conference on Thursday evening at the Beit Agron International Press Center in Jerusalem, the day after the Israeli army and Israeli police demolished nine buildings in Amona, adjacent to the Jewish community of Ofra, just north of Jerusalem.

The MK's convening the press conference were Dr. Aryeh Eldad, General Efraim Eitam, Rabbi Benny Alon, Tzvi Hendel, Uri Ariel, and Rabbi Yitzhak Levy.

Three of the Knesset Members were present at Amona during the demolition - Eldad, Eitam and Alon. Eldad and Eitam spent the night in Hadassah hospital after being trampled by police horses - Eldad with an arm fracture and Eitam with head injuries.

At their press conference, the National Union MKs announced that they had circulated a petition to all factions of the Knesset in which they called for the Knesset to authorize the creation of an extra-parliamentary commission whose task it would be to establish a non-partisan investigation into the events of Amona, to verify the facts of how and why so much violence occurred, which resulted in more than 200 teenage boys and girls in the hospital, most of whom suffered head wounds after being clubbed in the head while offering no resistance whatsoever.

From the other end of the political spectrum, endorsing the National Union's call for an official investigation was Peace Now leader and Labor MK Dr. Yuli Tamir, who told the NFC.CO.IL news service that she wanted an inquiry as to why there were hardly any casualties during the two month demolition process of the Katif settlements, and asked why there were so many casualties in one day of demolition in Amona.

An unexpected call for investigation came from MK Ahmed Tibi, the former advisor to Yassir Arafat who demanded an inquiry into why and how police horses trampled members of the Knesset .

MK Uri Ariel opened the press conference with a demand to know precisely what instructions were given to the elite Israeli commando units who were deployed at Amoneh and also demanded to know what instructions were given to the soldiers and the police by the Head of the IDF Central Command.

MK Ariel provided documentation of negotiations that the National Union MKs conducted with the government, once they understood that they had lost their legal fight to retain the nine buildings on the Amona hill.

MK Ariel provided written evidence that that the National Union MKs, with the cooperation of the Council of Judea and Samaria, had made an offer on Sunday to bring heavy equipment to Amona to move the nine buildings to the nearby community of Ofra, thereby avoiding any violent confrontation.

MK Ariel reported that the idea of moving the buildings received the encouragement of President Katzav, Defence Minister Mofaz, and Attorney General Mazuz, all of whom communicated on Monday morning to Acting Prime Minister Olmert that the idea would be legal, and it would stave off any confrontation.

Later that day on Monday, Olmert met with the leaders of the Council of Judea and Samaria, yet stood firm that the buildings would have to be destroyed, saying that he was doubtful that any kind of engineering firm could move the nine buildings.

The Council then dispatched former MK Hanan Porat to meet again with Attorney General Mazuz with the request that it be given one week to move the buildings, and that if they could not move them, then the council itself would demolish them.

On Tuesday, Israel Supreme Court Justice Elyakim Rubenstein issued a restraining order against any destruction of the houses, recommending that the court grant the Council the one week requested to move the buildings.

However, Olmert appealed the restraining order to the Israel Supreme Court, which met in special session under a three justice panel on Wednesday morning, when it considered the Council's request to grant a them a week's time to move the building.

However, the two justices who sat alongside Rubenstein, both of whom had always been critical of the Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, ruled, two to one, with Rubenstein dissenting, at 9:30 AM on Wednesday, to reject the petition for any delay in the demolition of the nine buildings.

MK Eldad reported that, with the decision in hand to demolish the buildings, he determined he would "go to Amona together with MK Alon and MK Eitam, and requested that army and police delay the demolition by a few hours", so that they could "negotiate to get hundreds of people out of the way".

In the words of MK Eitam, "We wanted to do what we did in Gush Katif-to act as responsible mediators between the armed forces and the civilians who were present, so as to avert any unnecessary violence".

However, MK Alon reported, the IDF and the police were not willing to listen, and, instead, immediately dispatched troops and police, many of whom were on horseback, to move in on the hundreds of people in Amona who were inside,outside and on top of each of the nine buildings.

By the time that MK's Eitam, Alon and Eldad arrived on the scene, no commanders were there - only soldiers and police who were beginning to beat teenagers who were in their way.

MK Eitam observed that :"in Gush Katif, we had commanders to speak with, and we were in constant touch with the Prime Minister and his cabinet members, to avoid a catastrophe".

This time, Eitam said. "we had no one to speak with. The IDF commander in Chief and the Commander of the IDF Central Command were not there, and no one was available to speak with at the office of the Prime Minister.However, as members of Knesset, as democratically elected leaders of this community, we were singled out for attack, with police horses that charged us, and which caused the hundreds of people there to be without any leader and without anyone to calm things down" In MK Eldad's words, by "the attack on the Knesset leaders early in the day, deprived the people of any factor that could act as a restraining force".

Meanwhile, as the IDF and the police sent more reinforcements to Amona, they indiscriminately attacked Jews walking on the road and pulled tens of young people out of cars and beat them with their batons.

When the police horses arrived, the teenagers sat peaceably, the horses charged them, and police continued to beat everyone in sight, aiming for the heads of demonstrators with their batons. When the police entered the buildings, the people inside all sat down, offering no resistance, and were still beaten.

All this was filmed, and Israeli TV Channels One and Ten showed the Israeli police beating young teenagers on the head who offered no resistance.

The MK's did acknowledge that young people responded with chants and did stone the police horses. In the words of MK Ariel, "we condemn anyone in our community who used any kind of violence, and we wonder if and when the Israeli Minister of Internal Security will have anything to say about the wanton brutality of the police officers under his command."

Meanwhile, Nachi Eyal, the secretary of the National Union Party, described how his son was beaten unconscious by a policeman who wore no identification tag, and how he watched tens of young people being clubbed on the head while they were in a kneeling position.

Nachi mentioned how his son, Yechiam, stopped breathing in the ambulance that brought him to Hadassah hospital, how Yechiam was near death, and how Yechiam suddenly regained consciousness the next morning, Why did all this transpire?

MK Tzvi Hendel revealed what he had learned as to why Acting PM Olmert had adopted an uncompromising stand in Amona, which could have been resolved with no violence whatsoever.

MK Hendel reported that he had received documentation that that Eyal Arad, the PR advisor to the Prime Minister's office, had devised a campaign strategy for Olmert which would promote the notion that residents of Judea and Samaria were "more hated than Hamas", which led Olmert to describe the Jews in Amona as the Jewish Hamas, following Wednesday's confrontation.

MK Hendel told the media that Arad had advised Olmert to foster an image as a "leader who stands firm in the face of the settlers", and that this would buttress support for him in the polls, instead of forcing Olmert to address the issue of the Hamas electoral victory and the continuing shower of unanswered missile attacks from Gaza.

It is unprecedented in Israel for the government to destroy a building rather than to reach such a compromise as the one proposed by the residents of Amona.

Perhaps for that reason, the MK's from the National Union Party concluded their press conference by announcing that as of this coming week, they would lead a tour of thousands of unauthorized and illegal homes that Israeli Arabs and Israeli Bedouins have constructed in the Negev and the Galilee regions of Israel.

[Mediocrates]

one more post from you and I'll start eating human flesh and poo in my underware.


That would make you Ronald Reagan, and he's dead.

[redcake]

From what I'm reading it sounds like the depiction of protests as being a Religious thing is a bit off. They might be the most vocal, but it's a mixed bag, that appears to include a lot more from the Labor Party then credited. It's just much easier to marginalize the reaction this way.

[Annaliese]

From what I'm reading it sounds like the depiction of protests as being a Religious thing is a bit off. They might be the most vocal, but it's a mixed bag, that appears to include a lot more from the Labor Party then credited. It's just much easier to marginalize the reaction this way.

I think that's a great point, redcake.

Have you read the following Myths & Facts - Settlements? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf22a.html

[Binyamin]

where is this recent poll? can you give link?
I had not seen it, only heard it from a freind. I cannot find it on the internet.

I assume it was incorrectly reported.

[Seraph]

You can't complain about people being removed from some place when they were there illegally to begin with. If Israel is to remain a democratic country where the rule of law still means something, then illegal outposts have to be removed.

Plus people can't throw stones, and oil (and god knows what else) at the police, and then complain when the authorities use force in order to arrest them.

Passive resistance is one thing, throwing stones and punches at police officers is a whole different matter.

[sharonbn]

I assume it was incorrectly reported.
That's right, because Israelis do not think that way.

[Reffo]

Yes, I agree, all sides need to search for a compromise in order to avoid internal strife. Israel and Israelis just cannot afford it. Never in our history did it lead to anything but disaster and Israel will need to be strong to resist the Hammas Islamo Fascists!
Perhaps they will and should. It's doubtful though as long as you and people like you declare them less than human and send riot horses against them and tell them they barely have any right to live in Israel at all. Afterall if that's how you really feel about them why not either abandon them to the arabs or just gun them down? I mean legal is legal is legal is legal isn't it? Screw em. Cut the power, cut the water, pull out the troops. Give them 30 days notice. If they don't leave the Arabs will kill them. End of story. And then all the Haaretzniks can stop pretending to be so outraged they're practically paralyzed by it.I am not sure that your post was aimed at me. If it was, I have to say just for the record that I have never felt any hostility towards the settler movement. To the contrary, I think they have Israel's interests at heart. Having said that, I don't always agree with their actions and we have to recognise that good intentions don't always lead to good results.

[sharonbn]

it wasn't aimed at you

[redcake]

Have you read the following Myths & Facts - Settlements? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf22a.html

Thanks,it's nice to refresh my memory, and read some of that in light of what's going on.

If Israel is to remain a democratic country where the rule of law still means something, then illegal outposts have to be removed.

Does that law only apply to Jews?

[Leon]

Police Strip Shirt Off Jewish Mother During Protest
17:31 Feb 02, '06 / 4 Shevat 5766
By IsraelNN Staff

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=97820


During a protest at the Shiloh junction north of Amona, a dozen police jumped a mother of nine, delivered strong blows to all parts of her body and then stripped off her shirt in public.


The woman, who recently gave birth, told her story to our correspondent on condition of anonymity. She explained that she is ashamed to gain publicity for being stripped in public by the police.

Click here to listen to an eyewitness account

The incident began when a small group of people, including women and children, began a protest at the police roadblock against the demolition of homes in Amona. One girl crossed the road, and an officer told her to move out of the way. When she talked back to the officer, a policewoman teamed up with the officer, and they pushed her with force to the ground.

"At this point," said the mother of nine, "I approached the officers and told them that they were using excessive force for no reason. A friend of mine tried to take a picture of the policewoman's badge, but it was tilted to the side. I extended my hand to straighten her badge, and my friend took the picture." According to the mother, the badge displayed the name: Yana Rosenfeld, #7467875.


As per photographer's testimony, this policewoman wore badge "Yana Rosenfeld"

"Yana ripped her badge away from me and called out to all the policemen there to arrest me. Within seconds, a dozen officers approached me to arrest me. They grabbed me, pushed me to the ground, and kicked me in my stomach, head, and all parts of my body. Yana kicked me right in my womb. Yana was yelling, 'Hit her hard. Smash her.'"

Naomi Shachor, wife of the chief Rabbi of nearby Maaleh Levonah, came over when she saw the policemen trying to arrest a protestor. Naomi says,
"We were trying to pull her back towards us. They grabbed her… I saw her on the ground, and they started to pull off her sweater… The ones who did it and pushed her were men... It was a very terrible and shocking moment for me. I am still trying to get myself together from it."


The assaulted mother identified this policeman as one of the attackers

The assaulted mother continued,
"As they assaulted me, they began ripping my shirt. With no shame, several officers deliberately ripped off my shirt, and I was left there exposed. At this point, I started resisting so strongly that they backed off of me a bit, I grabbed my shirt from an officer who was holding it, and fled away in shame."

Naomi added, "I felt a lot of shame for her. I felt they crossed a border line that we thought we had, and apparently we don't have anymore. This is part of our modesty... We tried to talk to them afterwards, and they didn't want to understand. [I tried to explain to them] that this is something that shouldn't have been done. We were women; we were standing there democratically speaking out what we think should be said, conveying our feelings without anything else, and it was wrong to do it. [To see policemen violate the dignity of] a woman, a young mother...

"I am a history teacher. I saw photographs of that from a different era, and I cannot erase [those images]... I will not say what era – everyone knows. My feelings are very hurt about it. The policemen expressed no regret. We kept on trying to put some sense in them. [She was there exposed] in the upper half."

According to the assaulted mother who returned to the road, the policewoman who had the badge "Yana Rosenfeld" disappeared for several minutes and returned with a different badge bearing the name: "Chaya Cohen."

The incident did not deter the mother from future activism:
"The Land of Israel is in our veins. My husband and I will continue to act for the sake of the Land and will educate our children to appreciate its value."

The assaulted mother and eyewitnesses say they have names and badge numbers of other policemen who participated in the stripping.

Arutz-7's request of the police for comment on this story has gone unanswered.

[Leon]

More Testimonies of Police Brutality at Amona
13:49 Feb 03, '06 / 5 Shevat 5766
By Hillel Fendel



Even when the protestors expressed no opposition and asked to leave, the policemen still continued to beat them. Teenagers talk, and testimonies are gathered for a public inquiry.


Many teenagers around the country are still physically and emotionally bruised by the violent evacuation and destruction of nine homes in Amona, in the Binyamin region. A series of testimonies can be read here. More testimonies are included below.

Bruriah C., 18, a youth leader in Petach Tikvah:
"I can tell you that it hurts very much... We were standing outside the second house, when very suddenly, the police and their horses came charging into us. One horse jumped... and kicked me; I wanted to leave and walk away, and so did many others of us - but the police didn't let us. They just closed in on us and continued swinging their clubs and beating us...

"One of my girls [from Petach Tikvah] was grabbed by two policemen, and I tried to get her away from them. At that point, a Border Guard policewoman gave me a very hard clubbing on my head - it hurt terribly and I felt totally dizzy. I tried not to fall down... they gave me another blow and then I fell down, screaming out in pain. Somehow I got out, and an army medic treated me. I heard them saying that if there was a helicopter available, I should be evacuated to a hospital, but if not, then I should be the first one in an ambulance...

"At some point, I fainted; I know I wasn't breathing for a while, and they had me on a gas mask... In the hospital, I was lying down the whole time, but I kept seeing more and more of us coming in, bleeding terribly and with severe head wounds and the like - and at the same time, maybe five policemen were also brought in, with little scratches."

Asked how she views what happened in retrospect, Bruriah said,
"It is still totally shocking to me. They came with all their defensive shields and heavy equipment, and they still kept hitting us, with no mercy. I am still in shock... Next time, we have to be even stronger; if that's how they come at us, then we can't give in."

A-7: "But they are coming in the name of the law?"

Bruriah: "It's so obvious that this has nothing to do with law. They came with murder in their eyes. We begged that they should let us go away, but they didn't let us; they just kept beating us... This is really a pure example of [the words of Psalms], 'they come with chariots and horses, and we come in the name of G-d.'"

Yaakov L., 16, Beit El:
"We were on the roof of house number 7, and when the police came onto the roof, they just started hitting us with abandon. Even those who said they're willing to go - they got hit even more. It seemed that whoever opened his mouth got hit hard.

"As for me, I don't even remember if I said anything or not, all I know is that I never felt so much pain in my life. They smashed me all over, and especially on my head and arm. My arm was all blue and blown up; I was sure it was broken, but thank G-d it turned out that it was not. But they cracked my skull; I was taken to the hospital, and am walking around now with a big bandage all around. It hurts now only if I touch it..."

[Leon]

If anyone has any doubts about excessive police brutuality at Amona - please see the picture of 15 year old Yechiam Eyal here (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=97812)

The 15 yo kid needed a freakin machine to help him breathe - he still has tubes in his body. Was such force against a 15 yo appropriate? 15 yo Israeli Jewish teenagers aside - do Arab terrorists who murder Jews recieve such treatment from the Israeli authorities? And if they did, could you imagine the outcry from the Israeli public (i.e the citizens of Haifa, Tel Aviv, Haaretz, peace now) and the international community




Testimonies: Teenagers Tell How the Police Beat Them


Teenagers all over the country are trying to recover from the mostly unprovoked physical blows they suffered at Amona yesterday, and even more so from the emotional duress they are experiencing.


The banner draped from one of the Amona houses reads, "Every house that is destroyed is a victory for Hamas."

Click "play" below to watch video of wounded Amona youth
click here if video does not appear



Yechiam Eyal, 15, of Psagot, was atop one of the houses slated for destruction, together with many others. When the police arrived - stepping off the shovel of a giant bulldozer that lifted them up and crossing over the barbed wire - the boys on the roof went to one side and sat down.


Yechiam Eyal began breathing on his own Thursday morning

At that point, says Yechiam's brother Yotam,
"the police just came over to them and started bashing. One policeman hit my brother three times on the arm, and apparently broke it. Afterwards they smashed him on the head, and that caused his condition to deteriorate. No policeman took the trouble to help him, and they kept on pushing him even after he was bleeding from the head. Once in the ambulance, they gave him something to put him out." Yechiam regained consciousness over the night, and has even begun to speak.

The ambulance driver, who came to visit Yechiam Thursday afternoon, said, "What really happened in the ambulance is that his condition deteriorated to the point that I had to perform resuscitation for a minute and a half."

"The police came with the purpose of killing," another brother, Amotz, concluded. A soldier in the Paratroopers Brigade, Amotz received permission not to take part in the Amona operation. "I give my all to this country, and then it comes and spits in my face," he said.

The Amona community leadership asks that everyone who was hit in the head by police clubs be checked medically. The request was issued after it was learned that some teenagers hit in the head yesterday discovered only today the symptoms of a concussion.

Avraham Fishman, a photographer from Kedumim, related the following story:
"I was sitting inside one of the houses, with some 40-50 others in the living room - yes, it was very crowded, and there were many more in the other rooms - and our plan was that when the police would come in, we would sit in a line and be dragged out... I was photographing, and my video shows that when the police came in, they did not allow us this option; they said quite clearly, 'Either you leave on your own or we beat you' - and they did ...

"One policeman is seen hitting someone over and over and over, and I was hit by three policeman. You can see clearly in the pictures how everyone is sitting; no one cursed them or anything."

Fishman's video, which shows police beating civilians engaged in classic passive civil disobedience, can be seen below.
Click "play" below to watch the video
click here if video does not appear




Rivka K., 14, of the Ulpanah in Ofrah:
"We were a bunch of girls standing around the 6th house, trying to be a passive force against the police entry into the house. With no warning, the police just rushed us, crushed us, hit us with their clubs... Many of the girls fell down, and then I found myself on the floor, alone, and then two policemen started dragging me away on the rocky ground, and at the same time another one was hitting me, and mocking me: 'Go home, little girl.' Then he stopped, and another one started hitting me. They dragged me to a pole, and continued to mock me. Then they left me...

"As I looked around to join my friends, I kept seeing more and more people getting beaten up, and I kept on crying again and again."

Rivka was speaking this morning from the site of the destroyed homes in Amona, where she and several dozen others had arrived to clean up the garbage and rubble left behind. She said that some people had already begun "rebuilding" one of the ruins out of doors and bricks.

Shlomit T., 13, Beit El:
"I was standing with other girls, forming a line around one of the houses. Our goal was to prevent the police from coming in to the building, using passive resistance. We knew, for reasons of modesty and the like, that we would try just to talk with the police when they came, and certainly not to fight. We were standing with our arms locked together when the police came rushing down on us and didn't even give us a chance. They started right away with the clubs, one policeman hit me in the leg, then he pulled me and I said, 'Stop, I can go by myself,' and he threw me down on the ground and then hit me with his club on my face, right near my eye. I was dizzy for a couple of seconds, and then I got up and was able to get away... My face was swollen for a while, but I had an x-ray and I'm much better now."

Elazar K., 19, a student in Yeshivat Beit Orot:
"We were outside the houses, planning to stand in a line and show passive resistance. We were standing near the two big barriers of bricks and burning tires. Then the policemen came, and started advancing towards us, with their horses, like a big powerful wave. On the level above us we could see horses scattering the girls...

"They first came to us and merely touched us, then they went back - without talking to us at all - and then they came again, but this time charging towards us with full force, hitting us also with their clubs. I fell down from the force of a blow, and somehow made my way backwards - and then I felt my head and realized that I was full of blood. I made my way to the medics on the side, where they gave me initial treatment, and then to another station where army medics were treating us. Some of us refused treatment from the army medics, saying, 'First you smash us and then you treat us?' I was in no position to do this, but I showed them the irony of the situation...

"In the ambulance with me was someone who had been expelled from Gush Katif, and the medics said he had a broken jaw. Speaking with difficulty, he said that some [special police unit] Yassamnikim had set upon him, even though he wasn't really doing anything, and threw him to the ground and laid into him with blows. Luckily for me, the Yassamnikim didn't attack me; it was only the police...

"Once in the hospital, I saw about 30 of 'our' guys come in with bad injuries, in the head, ribs, neck and the like - and only one injured policeman brought in."

Elazar A., from Carmel in the South Hevron Hills region, was also standing between the two lines of bricks and burning tires when he was attacked. He told his story shortly after getting his broken finger set:
"We were set upon with policemen swinging their clubs. I received many blows to my arms and legs, and one extra sharp one that broke my finger. But then, I got an even bigger one on my head, causing a wound that ended up having to be double-glued... I fell down, and over my body, they kept on hitting other people. Finally someone got me out of there, and later I was taken out on a stretcher...

"Once in the hospital, I was sitting there with four others who had been hurt, and there was one Border Guard policeman who was also hurt. When he saw us, he started yelling at us and getting up to throw something at us, until he was restrained by some people there."

Naamah G., 15, Beit El:
"I was on the roof of the fifth house, and the police came from behind, where we did not expect them. One of the policemen just came over to me, grabbed my ponytail and began twirling me around by my hair. Then he gave me a slap and a few others also hit me very hard, and I ran towards my friends. Then they started dragging us, with one of them choking me very painfully by sticking his finger under my chin..."

Phone and fax numbers of relevant officials:
Police Chief Karadi - 02 5308100 fax 02 530 8118
President Moshe Katzav - phone: 02 6707211, fax 02 5671314
State Comptroller's Office - 02 666 5000, fax 02 666 5204
PM's Spokesman - 02 5666920 fax 02 566 9245
PM Olmert's personal spokesman - 02 6662301 fax 02 666 4400
Chief Rabbi Metzger 02 5377872
Chief Rabbi Amar 02 5371305

[Annaliese]

My advice to the victims of the ethnic cleansing is to sue Olmert locally for attempted murder, and to try to bring an action for crimes against humanity at the Hague.

it is also important to find out if there was any leftist incitement that contributed to the crimes committed by Olmert's troops.

I am in complete agreement and want to share the following opinion piece which touches on the issues you have raised:


Amona, Equality before the Law, Selective Enforcement and Democracy
by Robert Barnes


What happened at Amona is sad, but predictable. The State Prosecutors Office, police and courts have been pushing the Nationalist camp in this direction for years. The Labor Unions, Hareidi and Arabs have been using violence or the threat of violence for years to get their way and circumvent the law and the democratic process, with little or no consequences for themselves. Sitting Supreme Court Justice Rubenstien has openly accused left wing elements in the State Prosecutors Office, police and media of colluding to suppress their political opponents.

There is a fundamental lack of equality before the law and a clear tendency towards politically motivated prosecution, namely selective enforcement, which is illegal in most democracies in the world. For example, Moshe Feiglin was sent to jail on sedition charges for his protest activities against the Oslo Accords. The Histradrut Labor Union, headed ! by Amir Peretz, has regularly engaged in protest activities over the last ten years identical to, and even worse than those led by Feiglin and in numerous cases the Union was in direct violation of court orders. Yet, to my knowledge, no leadership member of the Union, and definitely not the head Amir Peretz, have ever been criminally prosecuted. Justice Heshin disqualified Feiglin from running for the Knesset because he was convicted of a crime which involved moral turpitude, i.e.moral depravity or corruption. Amir Peretz is currently a member of Knesset, head of the Labor Party, and a contender for Prime Minister.

Mohamed Bakri made the movie Jenin, Jenin in which he portrayed fictional instances of Israeli atrocities in Jenin such as the intentional injury and murder of civilians and children. This film was directly responsible for large numbers of Anti-Semitic violent incidents. A group of soldiers privately sued him for liable when he used their i! mages in a way which made them appear to be committing war crimes. They won a small monetary settlement. Bakri, an Israeli Arab citizen living in Israel was never prosecuted by the state under any of the many laws he could have been prosecuted under such as incitement to violence. His film was publicly screened numerous times all over Israel. On the other side is Talia Susskind who drew a picture of Mohammed as a pig and was sentenced to two years in prison.

Then there is the courts caving in to violence and threats of violence. The best example is the Jewish right to pray on the Temple Mount. The courts have ruled that in principle, Jews have a right to pray on the Temple Mount. However, the Supreme Court has made that conditional on approval by the Israeli Police. If the police estimate that Jewish prayer, or even Jewish presence may lead to violence from the Arab Muslim side, then the police have the authority to prevent Jews! from praying or even ascending to the Temple Mount. In what democratic country do threats of violence trump individual's basic civil rights? When the United States decided to integrate Black Americans into Universities located in southern states, the were widespread threats of mass violence from White residents and even state government officials. The United States federal government did not say, "Oh, there might violence so we better just keep denying Black Americans their basic civil rights." No, the President ordered in armed soldiers to forcibly put down any violence and to protect the basic civil rights of Black American students.

When people see violence works for other sectors, when they see politically motivated selective prosecution, when they feel they have little or no democratic or legal recourse, violence is the result, almost every time. In fact, it's truly a miracle that no one was killed in the expulsion of the Jews from Gaza.


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[redcake]

Just to add to our reading list of eyewitness reports ... I thought it was worth posting because it's summarizes the situation with a fairly clear voice....though I'm uncertain why we should care that Olmert's daughter is a Lesbian...

PUT NOT YOUR TRUST IN PRINCES (Psalm 146)
LETTER FROM RUTH MATAR (WOMEN IN GREEN) JERUSALEM
Friday, February 3, 2006
Dear Friends,
This morning I received a telephone call from our friend David Romanoff, who is a resident of the State of New Jersey in the United States. He related that upon his arrival to Israel he was detained at Ben Gurion Airport for questioning by the Israeli Security Police. He was told that such questioning would take a few hours. (By the way, Mr. Romanoff had come to Israel to visit his son, who is spending a year studying in Israel.) What might be Mr. Romanoff's suspected crime? Could it be that he has recently been appointed to head the non-profit organization "American Friends of Women In Green" ?

These are very difficult times in Israel. Hamas has won a dramatic election victory. Actually, this development, could have and should have been foreseen by both Israel and the United States. In some ways, both countries contributed to the Hamas victory.

President Bush encouraged Hamas by his decision to support the Saudi Road Map Plan, and to carve a Palestinian State out of the Holy Land. Possibly he did this because of his family's extensive oil interests.

Prime Minister Sharon encouraged Hamas by unilaterally disengaging from the Jewish Land of Gaza. It is commonly believed that he did this to keep himself and his two sons, Gilad and Omri, out of jail.

Hamas, on the other hand, attributed its victory to the continual terror which it inflicted on Israel: "It is the sacrifices of our martyrs, our suicide bombers, and our terror, which forced the Jews to flee from Gaza. And now, we will go on to liberate the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and our final goal, Jerusalem!" They warned us, didn't they?

And how did the Gaza Jews internalize the lessons of the Gush Katif expulsion? They decided that there should never again be an evacuation where soldiers and settlers shed tears together in a brotherly embrace. Nor should there be a "beautiful picture" of rabbis and army commanders carrying out Sefer Torahs from synagogues together synagogues subsequently burned to the ground by triumphant Arab hordes! All this brotherly love made the Sharon government believe that expulsion of Jews was a piece of cake.

This time Jews were not going to be fooled again. Their brethren from Gush Katif, 10,000 of them, have been robbed of all their possessions, their homes, their farms, their businesses, their schools, their synagogues and their communities. Thousands are still stranded in small hotel rooms, and very few have received any of the promised compensation due them. Most unbelievable of all, those who had mortgages on their now destroyed homes, have had their bank accounts frozen so that the mortgage loans can be automatically repaid. Never mind that the government destroyed their assets as far as the banks are concerned, and they have been backed by the government the former residents must repay the loans. Only a heartless, callous regime could treat their own citizens this way. (By the way, Olmert continually boasts that he is the one who gave Sharon the idea to expel the Jews from Gush Katif.)

After Sharon became incapacitated, Ehud Olmert was designated as the interim Prime Minister. Olmert still refuses to recognize that the expulsion of Jews from Gush Katif was an unmitigated disaster, which greatly contributed to the election of Hamas.

Unfortunately, Olmert means to continue Sharon's plan of unilateral disengagement from Jewish land. His openly declared intent is to make Judea and Samaria Judenrein as well.

For starters Olmert chose as his target a small community, Amona, in Samaria. He is intent on proving that he can carry on Sharon's program of expelling Jews from their Land, and therefore decided to destroy Amona with an overwhelming force of more than 6,000 border police and soldiers.

More than 3,000 Jews from all over Israel came to defend their brethren in Samaria. There was unprecedented and deliberate violence on the part of the police and the army against the Amona residents and those who had come to stand with them. Police on horseback rode mercilessly into the ranks of the defenders, clubbing them and causing many injuries. It was virtually a pogrom. At least 150 defenders were injured, amongst them National Union Party Knesset Members Aryeh Eldad, Effie Eitam and Benny Elon. 86 police and soldiers were also injured.

A sixteen year old protester, the son of National Union Director General, Nahi Eyal, was reported to be in critical condition with a fractured skull as a result of having been clubbed by the police.

The National Union Party stated yesterday that the cops' deliberate beatings of Members of Knesset marks the beginning of the end of Israel's democracy.

Who is the man who is responsible for this carnage?

EHUD OLMERT! He was never elected to be prime minister, and merely heads an interim caretaker government. Olmert amazingly addressed the Arab enemies of Israel as follows: "We are tired of fighting. We are tired of being courageous. We are tired of winning. We are tired of defeating our enemies."

However, Olmert has shown in Amona that he is not tired of fighting Jewish settlers, and that he means to defeat them.

Why does Olmert not have the police act on Court-ordered evictions of thousands of Arabs living in illegally constructed housing all over Israel? There are more than 30,444 such illegal buildings in which Arabs are squatting. Why does Olmert apply the law only for the eviction of Jews?

Why does Olmert send the Israeli Police and Army only against Jewish Citizens, instead of against the terrorists of Hamas, Fatah, and Islamic Jihad?

The political radical left leanings of his immediate family may shed some light as to why Olmert is acting in this fashion.

His wife, Aliza, is a Charter Member of "Women In Black", an organization of Arabs and Jews who support Arab takeover of Israel.

His son Shaul belongs to the extreme left group, "Yesh G'vul". He was arrested as a deserter from the Israeli Army. He now lives in New York.

His son Ariel never even served in the Israeli Army. He lives in Paris.

His daughter Donna is a self-professed Lesbian, who is a member of the Machsom Watch. This is a group of women who endanger the lives of Israeli soldiers by deliberately interfering in their work to prevent Arab terrorists from entering Israel at various checkpoints..

His daughter Michal is just an ordinary committed "leftist".

About Ehud Olmert, the man himself. In the words of the author Naomi Ragen: "He is a disaster, a sleazy politician with no vision, skating in the direction Mr. Sharon pulled him, without the sense to reevaluate and go back."

Olmert has established another political left-wing dictatorship. He is just as dangerous as Ariel Sharon, but perhaps even more so, since he is totally unable to recognize any red lines whatsoever.

A most interesting piece of information about Olmert's early career: Shmuel Tamir, now deceased, who was Olmert's past patron in the FREE CENTER PARTY, noted in his prolific memoirs that Ehud Olmert offered to throw out his own father, Knesset Member Mordechai Olmert, from that Party. This perhaps, more than all else, attests to the nature of the acting prime minister's morals.

Olmert is the prime example of why the Bible tells us not to put our trust in princes.

With Blessings and Love for Israel,

Ruth Matar

[rhodescholar]

I have no sympathy for the teenagers or the others who got pounded. They had no business being there, the govt made a decision to vacate these outposts, and that was that.

How about pics of the <edited by moderator> dropping concrete blocks on the police? How do you know some of them werent these same teens? And the stories you get from them are no doubt manipulated for maximum sympathy - like the arabs do when they intentionally put their children into dangerous situations to be martyred - and thats why noone is screaming about it, except for their friends.

Israel needs to exit much of the west bank, and build a wall 100-feet deep and 200 feet high, and expel all of the pal arab laborers. I want no part of the arabs, and they will be on their own, and responsible for themselves.

[redcake]

100 feet deep?

You want to be a Democracy? You allow people to protest the eviction of their homes, by any means neccessary, within the confines of civil disobediance.... You don't yank teenage girls by their hair, and fracture the skulls of religious youth. It's great to know that old time moral equivalency isn't just for Arabs anymore!

[Annaliese]

Has Olmert Declared War On Jewish Citizens?

Likud Member of Knesset Uzi Landau criticized acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert for using excessive force against Jewish protesters at Amona, an "illegal" outpost.

Landau said, "There's no doubt that in this case we didn't see a level-headed approach by the Prime Minister. We saw someone who is looking for a confrontation...in light of an estimation it will help him in the elections. He did this on purpose...Olmert is directly responsible...he wanted a confrontation at any price. He refused to accept all compromise offers by the settlers."

Landau continued, "If Olmert had only the rule of law in mind, he would treat everyone equally. The Palestinians build more than 1,000 illegal homes in the Jerusalem region every year. But he takes care of nine homes in Amona."

Landau went on to argue that Olmert wants to deflect attention away from the Hamas victory.

Our prayers go out the victims of this violent assault against Israeli citizens. We are particularly saddened by the injuries of young people and others including our friend and supporter of Jerusalem MK Effi Eitam. What type of government orders an assault on its own people that injures a hero like General Eitam?

http://www.onejerusalem.org/blog/archives/2006/02/has_olmert_decl_1.asp


Israeli Left and Right Agree

Yesterday's violence against Israelis by Israeli authorities has united members of the political Left and the Right in demanding to know why over 200 people were injured.

In calling for an investigation, Labour MK Uli Tamir said, "Yesterday's events and their difficult consequences prove Ehud Olmert's incapability and helplessness in filling the prime minister's post. It is inconceivable that in the evacuation of Gush Katif no one got injured and the evacuation of an outpost of nine structures leaves hundreds injured."

We have already reported on Likud MK Landau's assertion that Olmert and Kadima wanted a violent confrontation because they thought it would help their polling numbers.

Giving credence to this theory is the continued provocation coming from the Prime Minister's office. The Israeli press today quoted an aide to Olmert describing the settlers as "Jewish Hamas."

http://www.onejerusalem.org/blog/archives/2006/02/israeli_left_an_1.asp

[mbczion]

I have no sympathy for the teenagers or the others who got pounded. They had no business being there, the govt made a decision to vacate these outposts, and that was that.

How about pics of the <edited by moderator> dropping concrete blocks on the police? How do you know some of them werent these same teens? And the stories you get from them are no doubt manipulated for maximum sympathy - like the arabs do when they intentionally put their children into dangerous situations to be martyred - and thats why noone is screaming about it, except for their friends.

Israel needs to exit much of the west bank, and build a wall 100-feet deep and 200 feet high, and expel all of the pal arab laborers. I want no part of the arabs, and they will be on their own, and responsible for themselves.

No one is screaming about it? How come even the radical-left "Be'tzelem", which usually knee-jerkingly blames Jewish "settlers" for everything, is calling for investigation against the police for using unnecessary and unprovoked forced against the teenage protesters?

[Binyamin]

Ambulance Driver Claims 'Seriously Injured Policeman' a Media Lie
18:58 Feb 05, '06 / 7 Shevat 5766


(IsraelNN.com) An Efrat resident working as a Magen David Adom ambulance driver claims that media claims that a policeman was "seriousy injured" during the clashes in Amona last Wednesday are completely false.

"I transferred the only so-called badly injured policeman from Hadassah Har HaTzofim [Mount Scopus] to Hadassah Ein Karem," Abba Richman said. "He was walking, fully conscious and violent - he threatened injured protestors in the emergency room with physical violence. His injury was a bad cut under the eye and he was transferred because Ein Karem has plastic surgeons and he needed their services. All the other police injured that I saw had minor cuts and bruises. None had broken bones that I am aware of. All the injured protestors I saw had broken bones, legs and arm injuries, and head wounds. A lot of blood. The atmosphere was that of a terrorist attack with the prevalent undercurrent that this time the attackers were Jews.

"I witnessed first hand how the media presents the facts - lies, half truths, and disinformation. It was a very sad day for me and left me with many sleepless hours."

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=97970

[mbczion]

Ambulance Driver Claims 'Seriously Injured Policeman' a Media Lie
18:58 Feb 05, '06 / 7 Shevat 5766


(IsraelNN.com) An Efrat resident working as a Magen David Adom ambulance driver claims that media claims that a policeman was "seriousy injured" during the clashes in Amona last Wednesday are completely false.

"I transferred the only so-called badly injured policeman from Hadassah Har HaTzofim [Mount Scopus] to Hadassah Ein Karem," Abba Richman said. "He was walking, fully conscious and violent - he threatened injured protestors in the emergency room with physical violence. His injury was a bad cut under the eye and he was transferred because Ein Karem has plastic surgeons and he needed their services. All the other police injured that I saw had minor cuts and bruises. None had broken bones that I am aware of. All the injured protestors I saw had broken bones, legs and arm injuries, and head wounds. A lot of blood. The atmosphere was that of a terrorist attack with the prevalent undercurrent that this time the attackers were Jews.

"I witnessed first hand how the media presents the facts - lies, half truths, and disinformation. It was a very sad day for me and left me with many sleepless hours."

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=97970

I know Abba Richman personally. He is always running to do acts of hesed in the community. I certainly trust what he has to say more than I trust "Haaretz" or any other Bolshevic media....

[Annaliese]

This is outrageous,

Olmert today rejected the call for an official inquiry

and I hope this happens:

"Yes it's correct, Olmert is bad for the Jews ... Olmert wants to shed Jewish blood and we won't let him.
We'll remove him from office on election day,"
shouted Israeli nationalist lawmaker Uri Ariel while addressing the crowd. (referring to a crowd of 100,000!)

One more excerpt:

Many Kadima members have stated the new party is looking to change Israel's borders.

Olmert has expressed approval of West Bank withdrawals and has made statements to reporters about the possibility of vacating certain peripheral areas of Jerusalem.


(All of the above are from this article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48686)

[Mediocrates]

Wow - an imperial presidency. I wonder where they learned that???

[telaviv]

www.pixupisrael.com. This site is made for the support of israel.

[Annaliese]

Brutalizing Settlers an Election Tactic?
Israeli officials say acting PM directed violence against Jewish protesters


Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert directed Israeli forces to use extreme violence against Jewish protesters during last week's televised evacuation of Jewish homes in northern Samaria, a top official in Olmert's Kadima Party told WorldNetDaily.

The official, who spoke on condition his name be withheld and routinely serves as an Olmert adviser on international issues, charged the prime minister ordered the violence as a tactic to win votes from leftist Israelis by demonstrating he is capable of withdrawing Jews from the West Bank.

"The extreme television images last week of settlers being brutalized was what Olmert needed. He knows he lost the right-wing voters to Likud and the nationalist parties. He has the center voters. Now he is trying to attract votes from Israelis on the left who strongly oppose the settlements," said the official.

article continues: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48698

[NewsGuy]

As a followup to this story, I should mention that the Israeli press reported yesterday that many teenage girls in Amona were sexually molested by the police and threatened with rape.


Police accused of sexual harassment during Amona clash
By Nadav Shragai

Last Update: 07/02/2006 02:05

Top Yesha Council settler leaders have charged police officers with sexually harassing female protesters during last week's evacuation of the illegal West Bank outpost of Amona. The allegations were made public for the first time yesterday, during a two-hour meeting between Yesha officials and Public Security Minister Gideon Ezra.

[...]

The alleged harassment includes police officers attempting to touch female protesters in an inappropriate manner. In another incident, a policeman is accused of urinating near female protesters and rudely dismissing a policewoman who spoke to him about it.

Policemen are also accused of shouting at young women: "We are going to rape you," and a female protester reported that while a policeman was attempting to remove her from the site, he had yelled: "Whore, open your legs."

Until yesterday, the accusations had been made only in closed meetings.

Article (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=rape&itemNo=679556)

[BenZion]

The necessity of the governments of Israel to demonize Jews who are in areas that require tremendous sacrifice is a dastardly prerequisite to fulfilling their political aims.

As long as Israel and Jews world over are bamboozled by a steady diet of western mind numbing conditioning, we will collectively walk down a path of increased suffering and decline.

Check out this article which explains this position.
http://www.torahlight.com/peace.asp

Also, a flash multimedia piece dedicated to the Jewish victims of Arab Terror.
http://www.torahlight.com/candle.html

[Mediocrates]

So why are Israelis demonizing the settlers?
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Demonizing_Settlers.asp

[Annaliese]

So why are Israelis demonizing the settlers?
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Demonizing_Settlers.asp

WOW! That article gave me shivers and brought tears to my eyes.

Everyone here must read it, if only for the following excerpt:

The survey revealed that the sector most hated by the Israeli population are the Palestinians, with the settlers a close second. And among those respondents who defined themselves as left-wingers, hostility toward the settlers ranked higher than hostility toward the Palestinians by a ration of 67 to 55 percent.

[Turkishdude]

WOW! That article gave me shivers and brought tears to my eyes.

Everyone here must read it, if only for the following excerpt:So Israelis are a bit self-hating?

BTW, just wondering, are you also able to criticize Israel's wrongdoings as well or are you more like most Muslims (blindly defending your country)?

No offence meant :p

[Annaliese]

BTW, just wondering, are you also able to criticize Israel's wrongdoings as well or are you more like most Muslims (blindly defending your country)?

No offence meant :p

None taken :p

However, if you had read my posts throughout this thread as well as those where we have 'talked' before, you would have your answer. To make it easier for you, simply view the previous page in its entirety and you will also have your answer.

No offense meant :p

[Turkishdude]

None taken :p

However, if you had read my posts throughout this thread as well as those where we have 'talked' before, you would have your answer. To make it easier for you, simply view the previous page in its entirety and you will also have your answer.

No offense meant :pOMG! I was busy with something else and forgot to edit my message, I posted in a hurry. I'm sorry... it sounds way too offensive. :eek:

OK, I'll read your messages more to form a healthy opinion about you, LOL.

[Annaliese]

OMG! I was busy with something else and forgot to edit my message, I posted in a hurry. I'm sorry... it sounds way too offensive. :eek:

I'll read your messages more.

It's okay, Turkishdude ... really. I was just a bit surprised that you could ask me such a question on the very same page where 3 of my posts were in fact critical of the government.

No need to read my messages more ... everything is fine. As we both know, we have gotten along famously from the very first we first interacted here.

:)

[Turkishdude]

^LOL

Yeah, I had not yet read all your posts on this page.

[Ghanbari]

Hi!

I think a good solution for Israel would to Seperate entirely from Palestine and attach Kurdistan to the Israelic state!
togheter they should build the greatest Empire of modern time!
No more time should the terrorist countires in the middle-east dare to threat the great empire of Israel & Kurdistan!

read this article to;
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/kurds.html

Long Live the only democratic states in middle-east Israel & Kurdistan (3/4 occupied by terrorist conutries)

(( Dont forget to Listen to some nice songs at
http://www.kurdishjewry.org.il/ ))

Happy Newroz !!! The kurdish new year is today!!!

[NewsGuy]

Hi!

I think a good solution for Israel would to Seperate entirely from Palestine
Of course, including separating from the Palestinian enemies who live in Israeli cities like Yaffo, Haifa, Jerusalem, etc. The less contact, the better for all sides.

[Ghanbari]

Of course, including separating from the Palestinian enemies who live in Israeli cities like Yaffo, Haifa, Jerusalem, etc. The less contact, the better for all sides.

yeah thats true !but a important thing that most people doesnt no about is that there are no real palestinians!!
They are all Jordanians! the only way to annex Israel to the arbaic countries was to invent an Arabic Palestine!!! Abdel Naser (President of Egypt 60's) gave a lawyer (ahmed *something*) an order to invent an arabic Palestine so they could claim the israeli state! The arabic propaganda worked well and now when everyone speaks about Palestine they think the arabic state!!