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NewsGuy
06-22-2002, 03:29 PM
From Haaretz (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=179015&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y):
IDF set to expel bombers' families
The political-security cabinet decided on Friday that Israel Defense Forces troops will enter Palestinian cities in the West Bank and operate in them for "as long as it is required." The decision also authorized Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to order a future operation in the Gaza Strip.
The cabinet decided in principle in favor both of the expulsion of families of suicide strikers from the West Bank to the Gaza Strip, and of the expulsion of terror operatives from the territories. The implementation of this expulsion policy depends upon the outcome of a legal review...
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This is a good start.
Now we just need to continue with the expulsion of the rest of the terrorism-supporting Palestinians until the terror ends.
Do you think that this tactic will bring an end to the Palestinian war of terrorism against Israel?
The only question is, where to expel them to? Do they have arrangements with anyone? This is not an idle question, and I know this has been discussed to death on other threads, but realistically this whole strategy will come to naught if a place is not found. In addition, Israel would look foolish.
cerulean
06-22-2002, 03:39 PM
This sentence indicates to me that the terrorist families will be moved to the Gaza Strip but I agree it's not clear where the terror operatives themselves will be expelled to. Maybe it's clearer in the Hebrew version of Haaretz?
The cabinet decided in principle in favor both of the expulsion of families of suicide strikers from the West Bank to the Gaza Strip, and of the expulsion of terror operatives from the territories.
One thing that we haven't discussed much on this forum is the role of the clan in Arab social life. From a brief summary I read somewhere, the clan is far more important to the average Arab than the country. And from what I understand, some clans are worse than others for producing suicide bombers or other "militants." I'm not even sure what constitutes a clan (presumably some sort of patriarchal arrangement, but I'm not sure), and many families insist their children marry within the clan.
alexbmn
06-22-2002, 05:38 PM
wow good news upon good news. this is freaking amazing.After only 553 dead.There's a chance they are waking up.
L@mplighterM
06-22-2002, 05:57 PM
Why not put them in jail with the settlers that were charged with killing Palestinians?
Adversary2Arabs
06-24-2002, 05:36 PM
Why would they expel them, the best solution and deterrent would be to execute them. That would be the best deterrent in my view.
ibrodsky
06-24-2002, 07:12 PM
In many cases the terrorists' family members are accomplices. But since Israel doesn't have the death penalty, you can't start by executing family members. Destroying their houses, arresting them, and deporting them would be better.
(Re: where to deport them to: They could be tossed over the border into Lebanon. The day is approaching when the US and Israel will be cleaning up that country...)
Israel is doing the right thing by basically executing terrorists, themselves, as was done today in Gaza by helicopter missile strike.
Keep up the good work, IDF and IAF!
alexbmn
06-24-2002, 07:30 PM
unfortunately Israelis are looking for legal backing to take action against Palestininan families.(as if they need any justification)but its possible that they wont find it.
Mediocrates
06-24-2002, 07:41 PM
They need to decapitate the operational command chain. Not from the very top but from fairly high and work their way down into the operational ranks - 1st and 2nd line 'commanders'. That kind of human intelligence and experience is very difficult to replace. Even decentralized cells have a chain of command and where the cells meet their resources for planning, recruitment, materiel and money is where they can be broken. It must be done with an absolutely ruthless singlemindedness and if that means that their families are targetted as well or are collateral than so be it. If you wanted to get rid of the Borgias or the Romanovs you wouldn't pick and choose, you'd eliminate them all without hesistation.
Adversary2Arabs
06-25-2002, 01:27 PM
Israel could implement a system which allows death penalties to strictly terrorists and their accomplices? Couldnt they?
James
06-26-2002, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs
Why would they expel them, the best solution and deterrent would be to execute them. That would be the best deterrent in my view.
The world would be against Israel and it's a big world. Expel
all Arabs and keep them at a safe distance. Somewhere like
Saudi Arabia.
James
06-26-2002, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Mediocrates
They need to decapitate the operational command chain. Not from the very top but from fairly high and work their way down into the operational ranks - 1st and 2nd line 'commanders'. That kind of human intelligence and experience is very difficult to replace. Even decentralized cells have a chain of command and where the cells meet their resources for planning, recruitment, materiel and money is where they can be broken. It must be done with an absolutely ruthless singlemindedness and if that means that their families are targetted as well or are collateral than so be it. If you wanted to get rid of the Borgias or the Romanovs you wouldn't pick and choose, you'd eliminate them all without hesistation.
Why not start at the top and work down? When they replace the leaders start over again. Do they worry about collateral damage?
Not in a million years! Israel should ban (immediately) Arabs from
all territories not given to them.
Mediocrates
06-27-2002, 04:26 AM
It's not politically acceptable to do that and it would blow back in their faces if they tried. The myth of Arafat is that he is a myth. You can't kill a myth. Better they should kick the legs out and let it collapse.
James
06-27-2002, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Mediocrates
It's not politically acceptable to do that and it would blow back in their faces if they tried. The myth of Arafat is that he is a myth. You can't kill a myth. Better they should kick the legs out and let it collapse.
Arafat is a Cold Blooded Killer! It's time he received just what he has done. If you think by leaving him alone and the,"myth" will collapse, you are only partially correct. When he is gone, they will erect a statue in honor of all the great things he accomplished
for the Arabs.
Stage two is when the next one moves up and assumes control.
He will have to assert himself to show these Arabs he is worthy
to assume this power.
Elections: He (#2) will do whatever necessary to win, continue to harangue the Jews and support covert actions against Israel.
Mediocrates
06-27-2002, 08:48 AM
Well that's what Machiavelli would say - kill the tyrant but not before you make arrangements with the new tyrant. But sadly half the world doesn't see him as tyrant which is why it would be politically difficult to do. Not that its not right, merely that it would make some things more difficult to do. Better to let him become impotent.
Mediocrates
06-27-2002, 08:50 AM
I don't mean leave him alone I mean make him weak and useless. To the Arab world and to Arafat himself, irrelevance is a greater punishement than death.
James
06-27-2002, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Mediocrates
Well that's what Machiavelli would say - kill the tyrant but not before you make arrangements with the new tyrant. But sadly half the world doesn't see him as tyrant which is why it would be politically difficult to do. Not that its not right, merely that it would make some things more difficult to do. Better to let him become impotent.
I guess i'm being too simplistic in my approach to the problem. I just get so upset when i see the results of the Arabs bombs.
AmericaNumber1
06-29-2002, 02:21 PM
Well, Newsguy
It just shows Israel's intent on capturing the West Bank through whatever means neccessary. Nothing more. Palestinians have faced expulsion ever since Israel was established.
NewsGuy
06-29-2002, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
Well, Newsguy
It just shows Israel's intent on capturing the West Bank through whatever means neccessary. Nothing more. Palestinians have faced expulsion ever since Israel was established.
Good slogan, but completely false.
Israel already had full control over the West Bank for decades and generously gave the Palestinian controo over most of it following Oslo.
Now, Israel is required to re-enter the West Bank on self-defense against the Jihad-genocide conducted against Israel by the Arabs.
AmericaNumber1
06-29-2002, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by NewsGuy
Good slogan, but completely false.
Israel already had full control over the West Bank for decades and generously gave the Palestinian controo over most of it following Oslo.
Now, Israel is required to re-enter the West Bank on self-defense against the Jihad-genocide conducted against Israel by the Arabs.
FULL control? As in, beyond UN resolutions for Palestinian Sovereignity? Israel makes a tradition of inciting Palestinian militants to justify incursions for land expansion initiatives. That is no secret, nor a "slogan".
"Jihad" is specific to Islam. Can you say for certain that EVERY crime commited against Israeli's was an Islamic induced event? I bet you will. I'm not defending Islam, just shedding light on your need to use propaganda to force a point-of-view on others (all Arabs are bad!...right?).
Israel needs to accept the fact that they cannot put their finger on land and cry antisemitism then expect to get what they want in return. You don't setup camp in your neighbors yard and expect to be welcomed with open arms. Does the Talmud teach otherwise? Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors. Is it too much to question Palestinians need to attack Israel? Shoot. Science gives the Flu Virus more consideration than Israel gives the Palestinians. Palestinians are upset about something. Saying simply, "they're just animals that deserve to be pushed into the sea", is preteen-obnoxious and indicates a racist mindset. Palestinian anger begs the question: "whats wrong?"
L@mplighterM
06-29-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
Could you please give me the name's of every American that are sick and tired....?
Batman
06-29-2002, 11:11 PM
Palestinian anger begs the question: "whats wrong?"
I guess when someone in America goes and breaks into someone's house and kills the mother and 3 children of the family we should realize that that person's anger begs the question:"what's wrong?"
That actually happened a few weeks ago. I am not sure if the murderer was caught, but based on this logic, it's not really that important. What's important is that we ask ourselves the question: what made this murderer so angry at that woman and 3 kids. After all, being sane people we assume that there is a rational reason for this terrible massacre. That cold blooded murderer must have been justifiably mad at 'something' and slaughtering this woman and her 3 little kids in their home just made him feel much better... perhaps made him less angry... well, now we are all much safer with that kind of society and human reasoning, now we can all sleep better, and that woman and 3 kids were necessary sacrifices to the wrath of this very angry and very unhappy inhumane individual...or is that cold blooded murderer still considered humane in your opinion?
Adversary2Arabs
06-30-2002, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
If every American is sick of it, why is "most of the public and the government" (Senators and Govenors) pro-Israeli? If Israel is the real problem (which it MUST be because Israel keeps getting attacked and has to defend it self. But oh Israel is wrong.) why is most of American supportive of Israel? So I don't see how "every American is sick" of it because MOST Americans support Israel.
Mediocrates
06-30-2002, 05:40 AM
Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
Then call up your news channel and demand they replace their 10 minutes a day coverage with 24-7 wall to wall Chandra Levy, kidnapped 14 year old sportsertainment movie news. And shows about hats and cooking and pet psychics.
AmericaNumber1
06-30-2002, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Batman
I guess when someone in America goes and breaks into someone's house and kills the mother and 3 children of the family we should realize that that person's anger begs the question:"what's wrong?"
That actually happened a few weeks ago. I am not sure if the murderer was caught, but based on this logic, it's not really that important. What's important is that we ask ourselves the question: what made this murderer so angry at that woman and 3 kids. After all, being sane people we assume that there is a rational reason for this terrible massacre. That cold blooded murderer must have been justifiably mad at 'something' and slaughtering this woman and her 3 little kids in their home just made him feel much better... perhaps made him less angry... well, now we are all much safer with that kind of society and human reasoning, now we can all sleep better, and that woman and 3 kids were necessary sacrifices to the wrath of this very angry and very unhappy inhumane individual...or is that cold blooded murderer still considered humane in your opinion?
The motivation for murder, in America anyway, is examined in a court of law. We do have instances where murder is justified, such as self-defense and protection of property.
Israel commits summary executions with no method of trial. My assumption is that Israel has too many enemies to afford trials. Also, your post brings up so many points, how does Israel know (for sure) these people they execute are guilty?
The point is, Israel is ignoring Palestinian bone of contention with grave results for both sides. The cyclical blood-shed is flooding proposals for peace because each side wants to retaliate. Israel arrogantly enforces their powers on a weaker people. There seems to be a 3 to 1 requirement with regards to casualties. 3 dead palestinians for every dead Israeli.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
The motivation for murder, in America anyway, is examined in a court of law. We do have instances where murder is justified, such as self-defense and protection of property.
Exactly. The disagreement is whether what Israel is doing is self-defence. You say "NO", Batman and many of us say "yes".
US did not look at individual Taliban supporters' claims in a court of law either. The whole hog was considered in self-defence, - as it should be.
The point is, Israel is ignoring Palestinian bone of contention with grave results for both sides. The cyclical blood-shed is flooding proposals for peace because each side wants to retaliate. Israel arrogantly enforces their powers on a weaker people. There seems to be a 3 to 1 requirement with regards to casualties. 3 dead palestinians for every dead Israeli.
What "bone of contention" might that be? Destruction of Israel?
MichaelC
06-30-2002, 08:04 AM
Quote: AmericaNumber1
"Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors."
What arrogance to think you can speak for all Americans!
You do not speak for me nor, for that matter, anyone but yourself!
AmericaNumber1
06-30-2002, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs
If every American is sick of it, why is "most of the public and the government" (Senators and Govenors) pro-Israeli? If Israel is the real problem (which it MUST be because Israel keeps getting attacked and has to defend it self. But oh Israel is wrong.) why is most of American supportive of Israel? So I don't see how "every American is sick" of it because MOST Americans support Israel.
The fact that most Senators and Governors are pro-Israeli does not surprise me at all. Israel has some wealthy organizations that contribute to campaign finance.
Alot of American's rely solely on what their television tells them. Right now, their television is telling them, "All arabs are bad. Islam is bad."
MANY Americans are NOT Pro-Israeli. In fact, they are neutral but believe America should not interfere nor give aid to Israel. Does that make them PRO Israeli? It makes them say, "let's get the heck out of the Middle East, look what it's doing to us". Essentially, there is a sense of selfishness there because Israel would not last without American support.
So, I made a fallacy by saying "every". Was that the your only rebuttal based on the other points mentioned in my post? Interesting.
AmericaNumber1
06-30-2002, 08:08 AM
What "bone of contention" might that be? Destruction of Israel?
I dont know. Does Israel? My guess is they just do not care.
NewsGuy
06-30-2002, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
You don't setup camp in your neighbors yard and expect to be welcomed with open arms.
Thats true, al Qaeda#1.
That's exactly the reason that the Arab squatters (so-called Palestinians) who rode in from the Arabian desert 600 years ago and decided to steal large portions of the Jewish homeland should not be surprised that the original, rightful owners of the land have returned to claim their Jewish homeland.
Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
With all due respect, you are obviously living on a different planet than the Americans I know. Our president has just finished telling you that the Palestinian terrorist and corrupt leadership must go. President Bush specifically said that Israel needs to have a civilized partner to make peace with, which is currently not the case.
So, what you need to understand is that, contrary to the anti-American lies spread in your mosques, the position of the United States is that the Palestinians are the obstacle to peace.
And, America is not only sick and tired of being conned by the murderous Palestinians, but just as importantly, America is sick and tired of the Arab and Islamic terrorism that is targeted towards the American people.
Tell me something, will your Arab brothers mass murder Americans this 4th of July? Will your Arab brothers destroy our national landmarks and try to destroy our American economy like they did on 9/11?
If you want to discuss what the people of America are sick of, you can start by looking at Osama bin Ladin and Arafat bin Ladin to begin with, then move on to Iran and Syria as further examples of Arab and Islamic threats to the U.S.
"they're just animals that deserve to be pushed into the sea", is preteen-obnoxious and indicates a racist mindset.
Those words are exactly the words used by the Arab mass murderers in their Jihad-genocide plan against Israel. Arab butchers like Gammal Nasser, Saddam Hussein, Hafez Assad and Arafat have all used that exact expression about their plans to commit crimes against humanity.
Palestinian anger begs the question: "whats wrong?"
No, it begs the question of why has Israel and the world been duped for decades by the Arabs, instead of the world joining in a coalition of justice to fight the worldwide Arab and Islamic threat to Western civilization and to the U.S. in particular.
Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
I dont know. Does Israel? My guess is they just do not care.
I disagree. They do know, and it is destruction of Israel. That's what they have professed for 54 years, and given our history, we tend to believe them.
Like I said in another thread, I do understand those Americans who are neutral and are afraid to get into this any deeper. I think it's an understandable view. However, it seems to me very short-sighted, because like it or not, the ME conflict is an East-West issue, and sooner or later, with or without Israel, it would spill over elsewhere.
MichaelC
06-30-2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
Israel arrogantly enforces their powers on a weaker people. There seems to be a 3 to 1 requirement with regards to casualties. 3 dead palestinians for every dead Israeli.
It gives me great satisfaction to watch people like you flailing about with your baseless accusations against Israel. Here we have a tiny nation of 6 million ( how ironic that number!) facing 300,000,000 Arabs whose current spear point, the Palestinians, are being fended off with unprecedented valor.
I use the word satisfaction to describe my reaction to you and your ilk, in that your own words reveal your prejudice. For the first time in thousands of years, the Jewish people may be considered by their foes as “powerful†and to be feared. About damn time!
Their foes had better fear them. NEVER AGAIN is not a simple catchphrase.
It is a solemn promise.
Originally posted by NewsGuy
From Haaretz (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=179015&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y):
IDF set to expel bombers' families
[...]
The cabinet decided in principle in favor both of the expulsion of families of suicide strikers from the West Bank to the Gaza Strip, and of the expulsion of terror operatives from the territories.
[...]
Do you think that this tactic will bring an end to the Palestinian war of terrorism against Israel?
Assuming that "expulsion of terror operatives from the territories" means sending them abroad - NO. They will be much freer to operate, more difficult to observe, especially given the fact that Israel can expect little or no cooperation with the local security services (cf. the fate of the Church of Nativity 13: http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=1039 ), they will establish more contacts with other terrorist groups, recruit outsiders etc.. This will IMO result in fewer yet more "sophisticated" attacks (larger scale, more preparation, etc.) - and probably in stronger anti-Israel propaganda campaigns as well.
I will be happy if someone here can prove me wrong.
As for expulsion to Gaza - I don't quite get it. Is Gaza slated to become a kind of open-air prison? Again - how does Israel intend to exercise control over it? Preventing potential attackers from entering Israel directly from Gaza itself is hardly enough.
Sorry, Vic, we just got sidetracked! :)
Actually, I think I agree with you. I hope better minds than mine, with more thorough knowledge, have thought this through with adequate diligence. Making a gigantic prison from a place that is supposedly difficult to clean up even now, doesn't seem like a good idea. However, we simply don't have all the details of these plans, nor all of the rationale.
I still have a major problem with resettling the families though.
NewsGuy
06-30-2002, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Vic
As for expulsion to Gaza - I don't quite get it. Is Gaza slated to become a kind of open-air prison? Again - how does Israel intend to exercise control over it? Preventing potential attackers from entering Israel directly from Gaza itself is hardly enough.
The main benefit of expulsion of the families of the terrorists to Gaza is that it might serve as a deterrent to terrorism.
The Gaza strip can be better sealed, because its relatively straight borders are much easier to defend against terrorist infiltration than the other Palestinian-occupied territories.
Originally posted by NewsGuy
The main benefit of expulsion of the families of the terrorists to Gaza is that it might serve as a deterrent to terrorism.In what respect? By diminishing their living standards?
The Gaza strip can be better sealed, because its relatively straight borders are much easier to defend against terrorist infiltration than the other Palestinian-occupied territories. Please someone explain to me how adding a physical barrier to entering Israel is likely to help against overall terrorism as opposed to merely changing the methods of the attacks. And while you are at it - is permitting terrorists to roam the world freely really beneficial to Israel's security?
Batman
06-30-2002, 01:40 PM
There seems to be a 3 to 1 requirement with regards to casualties. 3 dead palestinians for every dead Israeli.
No, I think you don't have your numbers correctly understood.
Most Israeli couples have (as in the US) an average of 2 kids.
Most Palestinians have an average of 6 kids (the highest in the mideast, possibly in the world, as far as I know)
There are 300 million Muslim-Arabs in the Mideast.
There are 3.5 million Muslim-Arab-Palestinians in the disputed areas of Israel.
There are 1.5 million Muslim-Arabs in Israel proper.
There are 5 million Jews total in Israel.
There are 22 Muslim-Arab dictatorship-countries in the Mideast who share the same language and culture
There is 1 Jewish-Democracy in the Mideast=Israel
maps (http://www.rootofevil.com/headline.php?action=PROPAGANDA)
A Palestinian child is raised to commit suicide and kill Israeli children, women and innocents
videos seeds of hatred (http://www.mideasttruth.com/video.html)
An Israeli child is raised to forge peace, if possible, and to be tolerant to Palestinian-Arabs and build bridges between the 2 people school text books study comparison (http://www.edume.org/new/index.htm) click on 'Whats New"- and then go to:Newsletter, May 2002, is now on the site
Most Palestinian families have every child involved in suicide bombing organizations, so the fact that they get killed while trying to kill the Israelis has nothing to do with Israeli 'requirements' and has to do with the Palestinians-Arabs entire family units' involvement in being part of the Al-Queida styled Jihad and suicide bombings against Israeli society.
Based on a per capita comparison, the number of Israelis killed by terror attacks in the first six months of 2002 (from January 2002) is more than three times greater than those killed in the September 11th attacks on the United States.
Since Sept. 2000, 561 Israelis have been murdered and 4206 have been seriously injured - not to mention that the entire Israeli society is suffering from 'light' injuries, which mean that people lost their hearing, eyesight, limbs, but can go on functioning- to the overall trauma which has hit every single family, man, woman and children.
AND:
While we say the facts behind the numbers lie, the numbers also lie.According to Jerusalem Media & Communications Center, a Palestinian research organization (which isn't too keen on Israel), 37 Palestinian women were killed between September 30, 2000 and May 7, 2002. This is 2.8% of all Palestinians killed in that period. During the identical period, according to figures issued by Israel's Foreign Ministry, 126 Israeli women were murdered by Palestinians. In other words, 25% of the total Israelis murdered were innocent women. Another Palestinian research group, the Palestinian Monitor, recorded that 11.7% of those killed were children under the age of 15. 57.7% of all Israelis killed were under age 15. http://americankaiser.blogspot.com/2002_05_26_americankaiser_archive.html#77097687 Israeli women were murdered at a RATE that is 9 time higher and Israeli children at a rate that is five times higher
This was all caused by the Palestinian-Arab daily homicide attacks and the Charter of the PA dedicated through various of its principles to the goal of destroying Israel: For example:
Article 19: The establishment of Israel is fundamentally null and void, whatever time has elapsed ...
Article 15: [We call for] the liquidation of the Zionist presence in Palestine...
and many other similar clauses. These were supposed to have been changed in 1993 in accordance with the Oslo agreement. But these clauses were never changed, hence, the current state of affairs with the Palestinian-Arabs' goal of destroying Israel, even if it means they destroy themselves in the process.
I suppose having as many kids as the Palestinian-Arabs can have will assure they can blow as many Jews as possible in their distorted version of Mideast realities. By the way, since the entire Palestinian-Arab society lives on International welfare, via the United Nations and the EU funding, they do have more time on their hands than the average American and Israeli person who must go to work for a living. They spend time preparing suicide bomb factories and death-suicide squads made up of teenagers who are brainwashed by their systems since birth.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=181370&contrassID=1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y baby terror[/URL]
This photo was confirmed to be authentic: see:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/29/international/middleeast/29MIDE.html
The Palestinian-Arabs are the ones who choose to go to war daily with Israel.
Israel has a right to defend itself.
Batman, take a look at the statistics thread: http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=802
James
07-02-2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Vic
Assuming that "expulsion of terror operatives from the territories" means sending them abroad - NO. They will be much freer to operate, more difficult to observe, especially given the fact that Israel can expect little or no cooperation with the local security services (cf. the fate of the Church of Nativity 13: http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=1039 ), they will establish more contacts with other terrorist groups, recruit outsiders etc.. This will IMO result in fewer yet more "sophisticated" attacks (larger scale, more preparation, etc.) - and probably in stronger anti-Israel propaganda campaigns as well.
I will be happy if someone here can prove me wrong.
As for expulsion to Gaza - I don't quite get it. Is Gaza slated to become a kind of open-air prison? Again - how does Israel intend to exercise control over it? Preventing potential attackers from entering Israel directly from Gaza itself is hardly enough.
Not quite an open - air prison but maybe space to protect Jews from incessant attacks against civilians right?
NewsGuy
07-10-2002, 07:41 PM
This is in the category of "Learning from the Arabs":
Tunisia: Court case set to open against family of truckdriver in April 2002 attack at synagogue
The Tunisian government is set to open the court case Thursday against the family of the driver of a gas tanker whose truck exploded next to the Ghriba synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia.
The April 2002 explosion left 21 dead, 14 of whom were German tourists.
Djerba is the center of this Muslim North African nation's approximately 2,000-strong Jewish community. The Ghriba synagogue was more than 2,000 years old...
Soure: JPost (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1025787759307)
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Notice that the Arabs know very well how to deal with suicide bombers and how to deter them from further acts of terrorism - go after their families. They are not worried about some biased Hague court, and they're not worried about ultra-liberal sensibilities, nor what their Leftists will say. Instead, the Muslims who best understand Islamic terrorism know what to do and they just do it.
James
07-10-2002, 09:18 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NewsGuy
This is in the category of "Learning from the Arabs":
[B]Tunisia: Court case set to open against family of truckdriver in April 2002 attack at synagogue
The Tunisian government is set to open the court case Thursday against the family of the driver of a gas tanker whose truck exploded next to the Ghriba synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia.
The April 2002 explosion left 21 dead, 14 of whom were German tourists.
Of course the Arabs know how to kill Jews without remorse! They
were trained several thousand years ago by professionals! Any bets for the gas tank driver? I will go out on a limb and say it will be ruled unavoidable accident. We all know how "Accidents just seem to happen!"
Mediocrates
07-11-2002, 04:40 AM
Well it's either deliciously ironic or stunningly disorganized terrorism. An al-Qaeda operative waving the philosophical banner of Palistinians, blows up a Tunisian truck in a non operating synagogue to kill some European tourists.
And they say globalization is bad??
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