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			<title>Law No 1:The most criticised societies in the world will be the least criminal</title>
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			Let's say one has a planet with free societies, that commit minor crimes, and closed societies, that commit major crimes. Which will get more criticism? The answer, surprisingly, is the free societies.<br />
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The closed society does not allow criticism of itself. The free society allows criticism of itself and of foreign closed societies. But people write about what they know, and what they are interested in is people like themselves. So the writing about their own society is an order of magnitude larger than about foreign closed societies.<br />
The killing of a dozen protesters in a foreign closed society might rate one paragraph, one time. The killing of a dozen protesters in the free society would completely dominate news and analysis for months, and be strongly covered for years afterwards, even decades afterwards. There are all sorts of good reasons for why this is so. But the fact is, it is so. I am simply pointing out that the coverage is not equal.<br />
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Of course, in a free society the killing of protesters is a rare event. But even minor crimes - like bribery or lying to parliament - can dominate the news for months. While actual massacres in foreign closed societies may be covered in &quot;World News in Brief&quot;.<br />
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I am simply pointing out the obvious that minor crimes (bribery, embezzlement, lying to parliament) in the free world usually receive more column inches than major crimes (state repression, torture, executions) in the unfree world. There are good reasons for why this is so. But the fact is, it is so. The end result is that in the free press, the column inches given to criticism of free societies will be vastly greater than the column inches given to criticism of closed societies.<br />
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<b>The societies singled out to be criticised are by definition those that are best-behaved. What did these societies do to be singled out for criticism? They were not ruthless enough. If they were ruthless, brutal and unfree, they would not be criticised so much. It is because their crimes are modest that they get criticised more.<br />
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And so we have a whole generation of journalists and polemicists like Robert Fisk and John Pilger, who write almost entirely about the crimes of the least criminal societies</b>
			
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			<title>Our Selective Moral Outrage Why does Israel face more opprobrium than Russia?</title>
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			Few places on earth have been as systematically brutalized over the past decade as Chechnya. So you might have thought that the Russian government's decision last week to declare an end to its &quot;counterterrorism&quot; operations in the territory would have been an occasion for somber reflection in the Western media. Forget it. It's a 600-word news item at best.<br />
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Here's a contrast to ponder. Since the beginning of the second intifada in the autumn of 2000, roughly 6,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire. That figure includes combatants, as well as those killed in January's fighting in Gaza.<br />
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As for Chechnya, there are no solid figures for the number of civilians killed since the second war began in late 1999; estimates range anywhere between 25,000 and 200,000. Chechnya's population, at a little over one million, is about one-third or one-fourth that of the Palestinians. That works out to between 25 to 200 Chechen deaths per 1,000, as against 1.5 to 2 Palestinian deaths per 1,000.<br />
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Now type the words &quot;Palestine&quot; and &quot;genocide&quot; into Google. When I did so Monday, I got 1,630,000 results. Next, substitute &quot;Chechnya&quot; for &quot;Palestine.&quot; The number is 245,000. Taking the Google results as a crude measure of global outrage, that means the outrage over the Palestinian situation was 6.6 times greater than over the Chechen one. Yet Chechen fatalities were anywhere between 13 to 133 times greater.<br />
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Final calculation: With an &quot;outrage&quot; ratio of 6.6 to one, but a proportional kill ratio of one to 13 (at the very low end), it turns out that every Palestinian death receives somewhere in the order of 28 times the attention of every Chechen death. Remember that in both cases we're mainly talking about Muslims being killed by non-Muslims.<br />
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I'll admit this math exercise is a bit of a gimmick. But it raises a worthwhile question: Why is Palestinian life so dear in the eyes of the world -- and Chechen life so cheap?<br />
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Maybe the answer is that the Palestinian cause is morally worthier than Chechnya's. But that can't be right. Yes, Chechen terrorists have committed spectacular atrocities, notably the 2004 Beslan school massacre. Yet modern terrorism is a genre Palestinians practically invented. As it is, Chechnya has been suffering grievously under Russia's thumb since the 1800s. (Just read Tolstoy's &quot;Hadji Murat.&quot;) If colonialism is your beef, the case for Chechen independence is inarguable.<br />
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Maybe, then, the answer is that there is no shortage of imagery of Palestinian death, and thus it engages more of the world's attention. By contrast, the Russians imposed a virtual media blockade on Chechnya, and journalists who covered the story, like Anna Politkovskaya, had a way of ending up dead.<br />
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But imagery need not simply be televised to be vivid, nor does the world lack for testimonials of Russian brutality. &quot;I remember a Chechen female sniper,&quot; a Russian soldier told L.A. Times reporter Maura Reynolds. &quot;We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it.&quot;<br />
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Maybe it's that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is simply more important strategically than Russia's war against Chechnya, in the same way that the attacks of 9/11 mattered more in the scheme of things than, say, Tamil Tiger atrocities in Sri Lanka.<br />
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Yet even before 9/11, there was evidence that al Qaeda was feeding money and arms to Chechen fighters, putting Chechnya squarely into the context of what became the global war on terror. Evidence of al Qaeda involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is sparser, and only came to light in 2007.<br />
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Of course, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict inflames the Muslim world in a way the Chechen one does not. But why is that, when so many more Muslims are being victimized by Russia?<br />
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Then too, why does the wider world participate in the Muslim world's moral priorities? Why, for instance, do high-profile Western writers like Portuguese Nobelist José Saramago make &quot;solidarity&quot; pilgrimages to Ramallah, but not to the Chechen capital of Grozny? Why do British academics organize boycotts of their Israeli counterparts, but not their Russian ones? Why is Palestinian statehood considered a global moral imperative, but statehood for Chechnya is not?<br />
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Why does every Israeli prime minister invariably become a global pariah, when not one person in a thousand knows the name of Chechen &quot;President&quot; Ramzan Kadyrov, a man who, by many accounts, keeps a dungeon near his house in order to personally torture his political opponents? And why does the fact that Mr. Kadyrov is Vladimir Putin's handpicked enforcer in Chechnya not cause a shudder of revulsion as the Obama administration reaches for the &quot;reset&quot; button with Russia?<br />
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<b>I have a hypothesis. Maybe the world attends to Palestinian grievances but not Chechen ones for the sole reason that Palestinians are, uniquely, the perceived victims of the Jewish state. That is, when they are not being victimized by other Palestinians. Or being expelled en masse from Kuwait. Or being excluded from the labor force in Lebanon. Things you probably didn't know about, either. As for the Chechens, too bad for their cause that no Jew will ever likely become president of Russia</b>
			
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			<title>Sanity Check About Palestinian Arab Demographics</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The Arabs and their supporters always claim that Palestine is an Arab Country and the Jews who started returning from exile (the progressives claim &quot;immigrated&quot;) in the mid 19th century, are just colonialist usurpers who settled Arab lands illegally. But let's just take a moment and let's do a sanity check.<br />
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What was the Arab population of Palestine say in 1850? I picked on that year because that was about the time when the first waves of Jews started to return to Palestine.<br />
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There are no reliable figures available to answer that question (there was no census carried out at that time) but a number of Web Sites seem to claim that in 1850, there were about 250,000 Arabs in Palestine and a small Jewish community as well. But do those figures stack up?<br />
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To answer my own question, I started with the known fact that in 1947, there were about 1.2 million Arabs in Palestine. Then with the help of an excel Spreadsheet, I worked backwards. I assumed a population growth rate (Births - Deaths) of 3% - I will explain why below ...<br />
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I got the following figures:<br />
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<b><u>Year</u></b>           <b><u>Arab Population</u></b> <br />
1947                                     1,200,000<br />
1946                                     1,164,000<br />
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1900                                     287,000<br />
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1851                                     60,600<br />
1850                                     58,800<br />
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Why did I choose 3% growth rate? Because the Palestinian Arabs claim that today we have over 1 million Palestinian Arabs within Israel proper, over 2 million in the West Bank, over a million in Gaza and about 5 million other Arab refugees who live mostly in other Arab countries. That is a total of over 9 million Palestinian Arabs. Now using the same spreadsheet approach, one can easily see that in order to grow from 1.2 million in 1947 (65 years) to over 9 million today, the Palestinian Arabs would have to have a yearly growth rate of over 3%. Here are a few sample figures:<br />
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<b><u>Year</u></b>           <b><u>Arab Population</u></b> <br />
1947                                     1,200,000<br />
1948                                     1,236,000<br />
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1970                                     2,368,300<br />
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2012                                     7,725,500<br />
2013                                     7,957,260 (not even 9 million)<br />
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So people, something does not add up. The figures and the claims don't stack up. Somebody is telling fibs. Any thoughts?</div>

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