The Swedish ugliness is coming out

[Alban]

Actually they're taking BACK what was STOLEN from them. But thank you for playing the fool here at IF today.

Well I bet alot of that is debatable of what is stolen and what was not.

[Alban]

Posted by Alban:


So it is ok for the World Jewish Congress to extort money from countries involved in World War II even though that the new generation of Europeans had nothing to do with the war? Even though that most of the World War II generation is dying off.

Way to go on taxing innocent people who had nothing to do with a war.


OOO.... Well why don't you tell it to the Poles and the Russians. They have actually got a lot more money out of this "Zionist Conspiracy". The Germans, my dear just-out-of-my-social-studies-class young man, have managed to kill 45,000,000 (that's million) of people and leave another 100,000,000 as injured (no limbs, legs, arms, psychological, etc), plus all the orphans, widows, destroyed families, fatherless families..... This does not include all the property damage (many major cities in Europe were destroyed almost to a brick), economic damage, cultural (some ethnic, for example, groups were wiped out), social, political.... it's not even half the story. Whatever Germans have done will stick with the for many years to come and they do owe the world for all this.

As far as extorting money - how much was extorted per your calculation? After 50 years my wife's grandmother who lost here ENTIRE FAMILY in the camps got a one time payment of $5,000 from Germany.

Or may be you are talking about the stolen art collections? Then these places actually have OWNERS descendents of which are still alive and should retain the property.

Have you lived all your life in the States? You exact philosophy on this particular issue is very limited and is really bounded by the fact that you really don't know of what is it you are talking about exactly.

Have you lived all your life in the States? You exact philosophy on this particular issue is very limited and is really bounded by the fact that you really don't know of what is it you are talking about exactly

I have lived all my life in the States yes. I do read alot though and check my information.

I have family and friends in Europe though.

Whatever Germans have done will stick with the for many years to come and they do owe the world for all this.

The new generation of Germany owes the world nothing.

The new generation is innocent. You are taxing people who did nothing in the war.

[Alban]

Posted by Aldan:

What would you know?

And what is it that you know?

As Europe is dying with constant balkanization of foreigners in it's midst and the same goes for America.

"Balkanization"? Where did you learn this word? Is that something that you have heard from your parents or is that something that you thought you understood from Bill O'Reilly?

Serbs, for example, happen to be Balkan and just happen to be very white. As are Bosnians, Croatians, Slovenians, Montenegrans, and Macedonians.

If a white person speaks out against the unjustice he is labeled a racist.

Which exact injustice are you talking about? You mean that of killing 45,000,000 million people 60 years ago?


What would you know?

Definetly more then you.

And what is it that you know?

Alot. Ask away.

"Balkanization"? Where did you learn this word? Is that something that you have heard from your parents or is that something that you thought you understood from Bill O'Reilly?

Serbs, for example, happen to be Balkan and just happen to be very white. As are Bosnians, Croatians, Slovenians, Montenegrans, and Macedonians.

Does this help: ?


http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=balkanization

Which exact injustice are you talking about? You mean that of killing 45,000,000 million people 60 years ago?

All peoples of this earth commit such tragedies.

For you to point only one group is wrong and hypocritical.

[Mediocrates]

Well I bet alot of that is debatable of what is stolen and what was not.

No not really. They've been fighting these cases in courts for more than 60 years according the laws of this country. If it's all made up as you assert then I think someone would have uncovered the world's biggest fraud by now. Now before you run out to barrage me with all the zundlesite and norm finkelstein and tony judt and counterpunch and david irving websites that say just that, save it - I've seen them all.

[minusthejihad]

OK, I think he's had his time here. Time to cut him off and get back to real discussion. He's just as dumb as the German high school kid who came in here looking to be offended a month or so ago.

[Alban]

OK, I think he's had his time here. Time to cut him off and get back to real discussion. He's just as dumb as the German high school kid who came in here looking to be offended a month or so ago.

( sighs)

You are very insulting and aggressive.

I have not insulted one time.

I have just asked questions in seeking of understanding.

[minusthejihad]

( sighs)

You are very insulting and aggressive.

I have not insulted one time.

I have just asked questions in seeking of understanding.

You have been very offensive. Stop lying and playing a victim. You have been the aggressor from the moment you popped in here. Please see Womble's response to you in another thread where he explains just what a Schmuck you've been in detail. Thanks.

[Reffo]

Well I bet alot of that is debatable of what is stolen and what was not.

The fact that the Jews of Europe were disposessed (even from their very lives, let alone their posessions and properties) in Europe is beyond dispute. And anyone who disputes it means to be insulting because I just cannot believe that they haven't read or heard what happened there to Jews 60 years ago!

The new generation of Germany owes the world nothing.

The new generation is innocent. You are taxing people who did nothing in the war.

So, If a German killed my father and took his property 60 years ago and he left that property to his son after he died, then I wouldn't have a right to claim my inheritance?

Or even more straight forward, if my father was not killed but the German took his property during the war and then left it to his son, My father would not have the right to re-claim his property after the war?

Is that what you believe Alban?

[Leon]

So?


Sweden is their sovereign nation and not yours.

Get over it.

Does Israel need political power over Europe? Does Israel need political power over Sweden?

I don't think it does. It is not necessary.

It has nothing to do with "politicial power" especially when another country is trying to boycott another for no apparent reason.

On the contrary its Sweden that is voilating Israel's soverignty by trying to impose a boycott on the country. And that's all in the context of Sweden's past role in Nazi collaboration.

[takeo]

Some 200 swedes served in the german armed forces in WWII, not very many compared to many other nationalities. How many russians did? 100K? 1 million?

In fact it is not very well known how many Swedes exactly served in the Wermchacht. The Swedes did not keep track - neither did the Germans.


As for economic and political support of cource we werent even close to the russians who had both huge economic deals with Hitler as well as a military pact.

And who blead 27 million lives fighting Hitler.

Of course we dont know if we did the right moral thing during the war. On the other hand no countries at the time acted morally correct, it was all real politics.
You would probably find it kinda hard too to navigate politically under open threat from Russia, Britain and Germany at the same time if you ruled a small country with little defence. Swedens position before the war actually makes Israels position today with hostile Arab nations around them look like a walk in the park.

In Israel situation till 1978 it was physically surrounded by countries with which it was officially in war. Sweden was not in war with either Finland, Norway, Germany or Denmark.



Britains open threat to occupy our steel producing northern part didnt exactly made it any easier for the franco-british supporters here at the time.

Better be occupied by the Britts then work for the Nazis.


Excuses yes, but quite valid such. You just know too little about scandinavia and the politics and threats here during the time to even begin to understand the public opinions, and the variety of them.

There is nothing to understand. Norway was occupied and fought, Finland picked sides, Sweden did absolutely nothing.


Today they have their sight mainly on homosexuals but the rethorics and ideas are the same, they will always find something to hate. But we are not the only nation with a troublesome rightwing christianity.

Sort of like the Islamic problem you have out there.



Race is not a big issue here anymore, far less than in USA for example.

We have another Swede on this forum who thinks otherwise. But I guess he is no mainstream.


And immigration is far less troublesome for us than most western countries really.

What's troublesome exactly?


As for NATO sweden really just have learned better after the worlds
longest consequtive peace how to read the surroundings.

Sort of like what Sweden did during the last war... Right?

Our gov knew 20 years ago that NATO would vanish, which it will soon enough.


As of right now NATO is actually expanding.


All we do as a nation is positioning, as always. And any positioning today is done with Energy in mind. Not Terrorism, not Democracy, not Religion, Energy. From that pov NATO is not the key.

lets all laugh together till the next energy crisis.

Sweden was in a precarious position, any hostility towards the nazi's and nazi-Germany could overrun their country. They acted as cowards, yes perhaps so, but don't forget the US TOO traded with nazi-Germany untill it got attacked by the Japanese... on the other hand Sweden was a refuge for many people fleeing the nazi's, such as Willy Brandt. It's a bit comparable to Switserland.
Northlander probably is right that Swedish were less antagonised by the nazi's than by the Russians, and I think Hitler's germanic race-theory (Swedes much closer to the "ideal Germanic type" than the Germans...) and order appealed to many Swedes. But somehow Swedes were rational enough not to be tempted by nazism, and its militantism seems unswedish.
it's all a bit ambiguous, and I don't know how Sweden coped with this after the war... at least if you compare to France, where a part of the establishment sided with the invador while another part fought the nazi's with their life. Here it was a necessity to cope with the past after the war, punish most highranking traitors and forgive others, in the Soviet-Union traitors got a one-way ticket to the eternal hunting fields or to Siberia. I don't know if there was ever a "denazification" in Sweden.

[Alban]

No not really. They've been fighting these cases in courts for more than 60 years according the laws of this country. If it's all made up as you assert then I think someone would have uncovered the world's biggest fraud by now. Now before you run out to barrage me with all the zundlesite and norm finkelstein and tony judt and counterpunch and david irving websites that say just that, save it - I've seen them all.

Well allow me to say some common sense.

It happened 60 or so years ago get over it.

The new generation had nothing to do with it.

When will it be enough to put past angers away?

[Alban]

You have been very offensive. Stop lying and playing a victim. You have been the aggressor from the moment you popped in here. Please see Womble's response to you in another thread where he explains just what a Schmuck you've been in detail. Thanks.

I answered the thread go look.

[Alban]

The fact that the Jews of Europe were disposessed (even from their very lives, let alone their posessions and properties) in Europe is beyond dispute. And anyone who disputes it means to be insulting because I just cannot believe that they haven't read or heard what happened there to Jews 60 years ago!
So, If a German killed my father and took his property 60 years ago and he left that property to his son after he died, then I wouldn't have a right to claim my inheritance?

Or even more straight forward, if my father was not killed but the German took his property during the war and then left it to his son, My father would not have the right to re-claim his property after the war?

Is that what you believe Alban?

The fact that the Jews of Europe were disposessed (even from their very lives, let alone their posessions and properties) in Europe is beyond dispute. And anyone who disputes it means to be insulting because I just cannot believe that they haven't read or heard what happened there to Jews 60 years ago!

It happened a long time ago and Europe is very different today.

How much is enough?

So, If a German killed my father and took his property 60 years ago and he left that property to his son after he died, then I wouldn't have a right to claim my inheritance?

Putting that innocent son on the street is enough to fulfill your anger?

Killing a wrong with another wrong does not make things right.

[Alban]

It has nothing to do with "politicial power" especially when another country is trying to boycott another for no apparent reason.

On the contrary its Sweden that is voilating Israel's soverignty by trying to impose a boycott on the country. And that's all in the context of Sweden's past role in Nazi collaboration.

It has nothing to do with "politicial power" especially when another country is trying to boycott another for no apparent reason.

On the contrary its Sweden that is voilating Israel's soverignty by trying to impose a boycott on the country. And that's all in the context of Sweden's past role in Nazi collaboration

Sweden has every right to rule itself the way it sees fit.

[Leon]

Sweden has every right to rule itself the way it sees fit.

And we have every right to respond accordingly - especially when that "rule" infringes on our own soveriengty